I lived in BC and northern BC for a while. I can tell you since BC boarders with Alaska that the US Air Force takes advantage of the “boarder”; that being said there’s a lot of suspicious US Air Force activity. It’s usually the flying formation that has me on edge as if like in this video of a training or drill exercise
The “anonymous crewman” source is actually identified by that historian as copilot Whitfield - much cooler for Dark Docs when the info seems like insider secret stuff.
Just wondering why the vid says “according to a crewmember who requested to remain anonymous” when the crewmembers name and his interviews on the event are public knowledge.
@@markwilson4934 I don't know for sure, I just heard him say minus fourty degrees. Celcius and Fahrenheit. I just assumed it could be a place where two different measurements could finally agree on.
@Bob1934 It can also be worked out by this formula; (Fahrenheit x 1.8) + 32 = Celsius. Remember... if you're 40 Celsius, you have a fever, but if you're -40 Celsius, you're close to being cryogenically frozen... and if you went from 40 Celsius to -40 Celsius in less than 24 hours, you picked up a bug so nasty that Covid-19 looks tame and only future technology is saving your ass!
Jeff Knebel: Your supposition is correct. The temperature of -40 Celsius and -40 Fahrenheit are the same. The standard relating equation is F=1.8C + 32. If you solve this for F=C=X (X=1.8X + 32), the solution is X = -40. This means that -40C is the same point as -40F.
@@charlessmith6412 Thank you for that very detailed reply. I was simply making a joke of sorts, but you explained it so well even the most intelligent morons like myself can actually understand it.
A B36 crashed near my home in Wiltshire, UK in the early 1950's after a trans Atlantic flight . The crew abandoned the aircraft over Oxfordshire, however it flew on unmanned for some considerable time until eventually running out of fuel and crashing on Bowden Hill in Wiltshire. Miraculously, there were no injuries or fatalities as a result of the crash. My old boss and his father heard the impact and were some of the first on scene. There were concerns that the aircraft may have been armed, and it was some time before various rubberneckers were cleared from the site and civil and military authorities imposed a secure perimeter. Some locals still believe this to have been a "broken arrow" event. There's zero evidence for that idea though. Thanks.
procedure at the time was to preposition the aircraft without weapons on board, and ship in the weapons using other means. This was done both because the weapons themselves were not under air force control but under control of the atomic energy commission and because the aircraft weren't deemed all that reliable yet. So the aircraft in question in Wiltshire was almost certainly not carrying nuclear weapons.
I love this planes so much. my grandfather was up in Greenland when a B-52 crashed with a nuclear payload so he was helping clean up the bombs. There's also a supposedly lost weapon of the coast of Georgia near Savannah I think.
The nuke off the coast of Savannah GA is still missing. The single article about the Canadian scuba diving couple finding it on vacation was a hoax and identified as False on Snopes. That nuke has still been unfounded since 1958.
There was a b52 broken arrow too in Spain in 1966 , us forces had to completely remove the beach and ship it in containers , to this day the radiation is present
Raven Tactical Prepper Channel Neither is the World News Daily Report (Where The Facts Don’t Matter), which is the single source of the Canadian couple locating (and the false claim that the weapon was disarmed and recovered). That broken arrow remains lost off the coast of Georgia.
Thank you so much for your steady stream of content lately. Its very helpful during these times. Keep up the amazing work, I know we all appreciate it.
Rem Silkwood case who reported ~375 Kg of Plutonium “missing” (circa 8 Kilograms Plutonium per bomb) from US inventory. However, Israel is rumored to have around 50 nukes (with no reactors/centrifuges to be found).
What an incredible aircraft the B-36. Made a B-29 look small. Certainly had a lot of problems with engines but man, nothing looked like the B-36 before or since.
Your channels are some of the very best. I thoroughly enjoy them and am really loving this new Dark Skies! On another note, how many others love the name of this aircraft?
Awesome video! Didnt even know about this in my own home state. One thing though, the AFB is pronounced "eye-ul-sun" not "eel-sin", super common for people from out of state to read it that way though. Keep up the awesome content!
For everyone who also thinks they may have heard that wrong, you didn't. He actually did say "Both -40° C and F." And, he didn't misspeak. It's the only place in which the temperatures match. Add +32° to any °C and you get your °F. So, the equation is; (-40°C × 9/5) + 32 = -40°F (You're welcome. 👍😇)
You might want to look into the F-105 replacement Republic offered to the Air Force during the Vietnam War. The direct competition was the Lockheed F-104 update called a Lancer, and the McDonnell F-4. Had Vaught been invited, the F8U-3 Crusader III would have been a closer model of what the Republic offering was. Essentially, Republic took the F-105 small wings and redesigned them for high maneuverability. The engine was the same, and the avionics were off the shelf, but the airframe was slated for air superiority over low-level bombing. What killed the competition was the F-111. And sensibly enough, the F-4 was considered good enough to fill the role. Given the missile technology of the time, neither plane was a good air supremacy platform. The Air Force and Navy waited about five years (McNamara had to be out of the way before work could begin.) The results were the F-14 and F-15. Made all the updates to the Century series fighters outdated at a stroke.
I was at the crash site about 10 years ago. Canadian Rangers were tasked with cleaning up the ammunition and unexploded detonation cord. When you look on map, Mount Kologet was last peak between plane and landing back in Alaska. My totally un expert opinion is one crew member who did not get out before plane flew over ocean took control and attempted to make it back to airport, if not for the high peak of mount Kologet it would have been able to coast down into Alaska. Bomber almost made it over, crashing just a couple hundred meters below peak. looked like a perfect belly landing. Many parts where still in pristine condition. RIP fine crew that lost their life in this crash.
Great book on Broken Arrows...Command and Control: Nuclear Weapons, the Damascus Accident, and the Illusion of Safety. In the words of USAF Maj. 'King' Kong.....YEE-HAW!! Cheers!
Celsius is on a 100 scale, freezing to boiling is 0 to 100. Fahrenheit is on a 180 scale, freezing to boiling is 32 to 212. That's how you derive the equation: F= 9C/5 +32. When F=C, F = -40.
@@jamesricker3997 Wrong. -40 celsius is -40 fahrenheit exactly. Celsius is on a 100 scale, freezing to boiling is 0 to 100. Fahrenheit is on a 180 scale, freezing to boiling is 32 to 212. That's how you derive the equation: F= 9C/5 +32.
This guy with awesome voice sent me. My uncle was a crewman on a B36 told us kids this story.. He was also a crew chief for the F 86 sabar jet in the Korean war.
5:56 "three engines, half of what powered the aircraft" If I'm not mistaken, the B36 had 6 radial propeller engines and 4 jet engines: "six turning, 4 burning"
The jet engines were typically only used for assistance during take-off and dash speed over the bombing target. During regular cruising they were switched off to conserve fuel.
@@endutubecensorship Also, the B36D was the first to get the jet engines and it entered service in late 1950. Prior to that they "only" had 6 piston engines. This was almost certainly an early model
crazy... this makes me wounder if my grandfather was on this flight. he told me a cautionary tale back when i was 8 about an event like this when he was a radar tech on a b36.
Confusing. B36 is described as “6 turning and 4 burning” wheee the prototypes were underpowered so 4 turbojets were added. The TH-cam picture shows no turbojets as do some of the video clips, other clips show the 6+4 engine configuration. Also the crewman stating that prop engines failed failed to note the jets. I think it important since B36 prototypes had their own engine troubles unrelated to later B36 6+4 models. And considering the distance the plane traveled after being abandoned would have been difficult if no engine power remained. If the plane headed SW but was found NE then could someone have planned a theft, like in the “Broken Arrow” movie? And isn’t this plane normally flying at high altitudes with routine -40 temperatures?
Astounding that it happened once, Reckless that it happened twice (Tybee Island 1958 is a fascinating story) but 6 lost American nukes and 32 Broken Arrows is in the realms of Dr Strangelove lunacy.
“It remains unconfirmed whether the nuclear weapon was destroyed during the incident”?? - Everyone thought this question was settled in the 1980’s with the FOIA release of some angry 1950 memos where the Air Force confirms to the AEC the bomb had been jettisoned and exploded.
Not settled. The explosives were confirmed to have gone off, but whether those explosives, designed to implode a nuclear core, were sufficient to effectively eliminate the bomb is quite questionable.
You might be right - the 5000 pounds of explosives in the MK4 could turn a building into rubble or practically vaporize a car, but would most likely leave an atomic bomb intact.
@@johnwatson3948 Maybe, maybe not. It's a lot of explosive, but it's focussed, and not on destroying the weapon, so a fair bit of the blast would be wasted. And those old bombs weren't lightly built at all. Chances are, it did blow the bomb into small chunks. But we can't be certain of it.
Sundog A It would have been easy to test though, by blowing up an identical device under controlled conditions. I wonder if they ever did that, or if not, why...
I think the photo at 9:58 is the wreckage of a B-36 in Newfoundland Canada just outside of Clarenville. I was there last summer and lots of the wreckage is still there.
Just a FYI , the photo at 9:50 is of a B-36 crash at Burgoynes Cove, Newfoundland, Canada, not sure about the second photo at 9:56 (looks to be the same terrain but I can't find that angle on a google image search.) www.gendisasters.com/files/files/newphotos2/british_columbia_can_b-36_crash_site_2-13-50.jpg shows the terrain the actual wreck was located on. (oddly punching in "B-36 British Columbia wreck) brings up the Burgoynes Cove photos
I've flown out of Eielson AFB at 50 below zero. If you don't take off quickly bad things happen. I currently work at bldg 500 on Offutt AFB, the old Strategic Air Command headquarters.
Curious... Carburetor icing was a well know condition in the era of reciprocating engines before fuel injection. Can't imagine The crew not correcting the condition with carburetor heat if available.
@@underwaterdick Perhaps, but still the Flt Engineers station requires the use of check-lists that would necessitate the use of charts to predict icing conditions for determining anti-ice switch positions.
@@davidkepley4396 I appreciate that, but I also feel that "get the job done" sometimes comes into touch, and it's not unknown for aircrew to make simple mistakes in the past. Such as missing certain checklist items. Only playing devils advocate here, "unexpected" multiple engine carb icing in those conditions sounds extremely strange to me, something like that would normally be high on the priorities list. I know that potential wind, intake or carb icing is always something in the front of a pilots mind when conditions are obviously high risk. Especially if they have refused to shut down engines because the oil might solidify.
@@underwaterdick Can't say more without knowing how anti-ice is accomplished on the Wasp Major R-4360 but to prove your point here is a link below with first hand knowledge on the flight engineer's station. Two engineers were assigned as the panels were complex. www.zianet.com/tmorris/b36.html
I work at the museum in BC where a turret and a propeller blade from this crash are actually displayed! They always attract a lot of attention from tourists, especially Americans (although we don't get any now due to COVID, understandably).
The metal piece we found was just a random part of a huge pulley. It had a short chunk of rope attached, probably used as an anchor point for fishermen
I was at WPAF museum, they have a B36 inside with its bomb bay doors open. While walking around underneath you can see 2 neat little work stations, like a small desk and a flexible lamp right at the front of each bomb bay. You can tell that's where they sat to arm the bombs. They also had the nucs bomb racks installed too. Id love to get inside and crawl around, its been completely restored.
Saw this plane in Arizona. It is remarkably large. The wingspan (unsure of actual dimensions) is jaw dropping. It appears to be one of the largest aircraft to fly at the time and certainly the largest bomber. The B29 is smaller by comparison.
@9:45 - After reaching the site, the Canadiens (I know, I know... I'm just having fun imagining it's the hockey team up there, moonlighting as air crash investigators) said it seemed like the radiaton levels were, as we say, "aaaight." However, the Americans "did not share their conclusions?" What does that mean? They didn't share the opinion reached by the Canadian investigation? They elected to not share their findings with the public at all? That can hardly have been phrased in a more ambiguous fashion.
There was news of a local that found the "Birdcage" that supposively contained the plutonium core but was not known if it was lead or not. There was a picture of a guy standing beside what he found. It was confiscated soon after
He never said it blew up. Or that ther was a mushroom cloud as a result of this incident. The video is about a nuclear payload, ther for nuclear payloads create mushroom clouds when delivered. Litteraly every video does this when talking about whatever subject it is they are talking about. Wtf are you talking about?
The “bomb” had no core. In essence, as a single stage device, it was just a shell with battery, electronics, maybe DU tamper and some conventional explosive lenses. Pretty much impossible to detonate by design or accident. I thought “broken arrows” was for missing complete weapon systems?
This wasn't the only nuke lost over Canada in 1950- on the east coast one was jettisoned from a B-50 off the Quebec coast over the St. Lawrence not far from the town of Riviere-Du-Loup. This wasn't declassified until 1986. A public U.S DOD document in 1980 mentioned the incident but only listed the location as "Outside of the United States". Apparently this does not appear on "official" DOD "broken arrow" lists but meets the definitions.
Without the core, it's really just a nuclear capable bomb. And if some crew reported seeing it explode in the air then it makes sense why they never found it.
A friend of mine, a fellow aviation archeologist went to this crash sire in 2004 found a suitcase with 8 thermonuclear detonators ( the detonators used to create the ignition on the nuclear bombs on the mk-4) he reported this to the USAF who could care less and to the Royal Canadian Mounted Police who likewise could care less. Now they did detonate the crash site but why not take the detonators. Yes they are not nukes but 3 of them could level a 5 story building....they are still at the crash site to this day. Scary shit.
Totally unsurprising to me. If you check out my post here on the Bowden Hill B36 crash, there are still bits and pieces in the woods here in relatively closely populated Wiltshire UK to this day. Thanks.
Just how MANY nukes have we "lost" anyways? It almost seems like so many bombers were MEANT to FAIL at carrying their nuclear payloads. Excellent work as usual OP!
Theres an old doc on TH-cam here that’s all about broken arrow events. I had no clue there was so many incidents involving nuclear weapon accidents, I find it quite amusing really.
How to describe B36 engines.Two turning, two burning, two smoking, two choking, and two more unaccounted for.
If it still fly it is still good
And you'll still get home
Mark Rix yup basically any B-plane
I THINK THE CHINESE AND INDIANS WOULD KNOW WHERE MH370 WENT DOWN IN THE SEYCHELLES?
@@Yama00 probably, but it also probably didn't go down.
Hey don't look at me. I don't know where the bomb went.
No irony to see here folks, he really doesn't know where the bomb went...
bruh
🤣🤣🤣
I have the bomb
I lived in BC and northern BC for a while. I can tell you since BC boarders with Alaska that the US Air Force takes advantage of the “boarder”; that being said there’s a lot of suspicious US Air Force activity. It’s usually the flying formation that has me on edge as if like in this video of a training or drill exercise
CIA: So how did you find our nuclear weapon?
Diver: Well you see, I was looking for sea cucumbers...
I read this just as he said it lol
Sea cucumbers are disgusting to eat.
@@rinsedpie Not if you're hungry like me.
@@BungieStudios if its not braised and served with soya sauce with cut chilies with proper salad, i wont eat them.
@Jakob Moilanen no one asked for your opinion either but here you are
The “anonymous crewman” source is actually identified by that historian as copilot Whitfield - much cooler for Dark Docs when the info seems like insider secret stuff.
Thanks for the intell
Thumbs up
Plus there is no point in saying anonymous... Literally 17 people inside that plane and only 12 recovered :/
Just wondering why the vid says “according to a crewmember who requested to remain anonymous” when the crewmembers name and his interviews on the event are public knowledge.
@@johnwatson3948 makes it cooler
1:20 so -40° is the same in celcius and farenheit? Apparently that's where the two measurements can finally agree with each other...
Jeff Knebel I heard that in another video a few days ago “the only place where they agree is minus 40”
@@markwilson4934 I don't know for sure, I just heard him say minus fourty degrees. Celcius and Fahrenheit.
I just assumed it could be a place where two different measurements could finally agree on.
@Bob1934 It can also be worked out by this formula; (Fahrenheit x 1.8) + 32 = Celsius. Remember... if you're 40 Celsius, you have a fever, but if you're -40 Celsius, you're close to being cryogenically frozen... and if you went from 40 Celsius to -40 Celsius in less than 24 hours, you picked up a bug so nasty that Covid-19 looks tame and only future technology is saving your ass!
Jeff Knebel: Your supposition is correct. The temperature of -40 Celsius and -40 Fahrenheit are the same. The standard relating equation is F=1.8C + 32. If you solve this for F=C=X (X=1.8X + 32), the solution is X = -40. This means that -40C is the same point as -40F.
@@charlessmith6412 Thank you for that very detailed reply. I was simply making a joke of sorts, but you explained it so well even the most intelligent morons like myself can actually understand it.
So is this channel just a dark docs but only for aviation things
It is his second channel so i would think so.
Yes
@@dev89368 bords arnt reel
Awakened Lion
They’re government spy drones
Dark Docs is Mark Felton lite and this channel is Mustard lite!
A B36 crashed near my home in Wiltshire, UK in the early 1950's after a trans Atlantic flight . The crew abandoned the aircraft over Oxfordshire, however it flew on unmanned for some considerable time until eventually running out of fuel and crashing on Bowden Hill in Wiltshire. Miraculously, there were no injuries or fatalities as a result of the crash. My old boss and his father heard the impact and were some of the first on scene. There were concerns that the aircraft may have been armed, and it was some time before various rubberneckers were cleared from the site and civil and military authorities imposed a secure perimeter.
Some locals still believe this to have been a "broken arrow" event. There's zero evidence for that idea though.
Thanks.
procedure at the time was to preposition the aircraft without weapons on board, and ship in the weapons using other means.
This was done both because the weapons themselves were not under air force control but under control of the atomic energy commission and because the aircraft weren't deemed all that reliable yet.
So the aircraft in question in Wiltshire was almost certainly not carrying nuclear weapons.
@@jwenting Fully agree. You can't argue with the local "I was there" merchants though.
Believe me, I've tried!
I love this planes so much. my grandfather was up in Greenland when a B-52 crashed with a nuclear payload so he was helping clean up the bombs. There's also a supposedly lost weapon of the coast of Georgia near Savannah I think.
A couple of honeymooners diving found that nuke. It was recovered and a honeymoon ruined . Ga. One
The nuke off the coast of Savannah GA is still missing. The single article about the Canadian scuba diving couple finding it on vacation was a hoax and identified as False on Snopes. That nuke has still been unfounded since 1958.
There was a b52 broken arrow too in Spain in 1966 , us forces had to completely remove the beach and ship it in containers , to this day the radiation is present
@@TJLydenJr snopes isnt a credible source
Raven Tactical Prepper Channel Neither is the World News Daily Report (Where The Facts Don’t Matter), which is the single source of the Canadian couple locating (and the false claim that the weapon was disarmed and recovered). That broken arrow remains lost off the coast of Georgia.
Thank you so much for your steady stream of content lately. Its very helpful during these times. Keep up the amazing work, I know we all appreciate it.
Awesome documentary very chilling how many Broken Arrow incidents have occurred
Rem Silkwood case who reported ~375 Kg of Plutonium “missing” (circa 8 Kilograms Plutonium per bomb) from US inventory. However, Israel is rumored to have around 50 nukes (with no reactors/centrifuges to be found).
What an incredible aircraft the B-36. Made a B-29 look small. Certainly had a lot of problems with engines but man, nothing looked like the B-36 before or since.
All things considered, the perfected version of the B-36 turned into the B-52; and it's still in service today.
'Fly over San Francisco and do everything but actually drop the bomb"
Well, that last part is a shame.
At the time it was probably not a toxic city. Today on the other hand...
People say stuff like this, then I go to San Francisco and it's visually beautiful and the people although fast paced are kind
My dad lived in Kenai Alaska at this time. He remembers seeing what he thought was a nuclear blast. He's 78 now.
Rebecca Paul senile
@@Make-Asylums-Great-Again No. Senile is NOT a word I'd use for him. He's quite mentally active.
Rebecca Paul have him expound on said nuclear blast.
@@Make-Asylums-Great-Again I have. I recorded him telling the story several years ago.
Upload recordings
Imagine if you were just swimming and you feel your feet touch a cold metal object that happened to be close to the site of the lost nuclear bomb...
And you hear a sharp click. No one would know about it.
And the next thing you know... you stop knowing altogether.
TheRoyalGallade [TRG]
Methinks that it wouldn’t be so cold with plutonium decay after all these years.
Commodore RuhRoh Raggy
True, it’d be pretty toasty.
I imagine you'd have a lot of questions for how your head was above water but your feet still touched the bottom in water so deep.
"So one day I was looking for sea cucumbers and found a nuclear bomb." Then the noisy bar went quite and people stayed clear of that guy.
I feel like this channel was tailor made for me! Love it!
Fun fact about the B-36: It had the largest tires ever fitted to an aircraft, a record that still stands today I believe.
The military really thought, load a nuclear bomb, fly over SanFrancisco, and simulate a bomb run completely (except for actually dropping it)
@@BushBoy_7567 cali is the place to nuke
HITESH ADHIKARI yeah
@@hiteshadhikari Florida sadly.
Christopher Dunken you leave Florida out of this or its about to become nasty.
Turtlers lmao
The trifecta, thank you for your time and efforts on all three of you channels.
Your channels.
Fascinating program. Please cover the other broken arrows too.
" The oil would turn solid " please, -40 is daily life for us Canadians and our oil doesn't turn solid, ever.
Your channels are some of the very best. I thoroughly enjoy them and am really loving this new Dark Skies! On another note, how many others love the name of this aircraft?
Awesome video! Didnt even know about this in my own home state. One thing though, the AFB is pronounced "eye-ul-sun" not "eel-sin", super common for people from out of state to read it that way though. Keep up the awesome content!
I stopped watching Dark5 a lot for a few years and I come back to a would Dark Network. I love it
As a history nerd, I very much appreciate this channel. Thank you!
For everyone who also thinks they may have heard that wrong, you didn't.
He actually did say "Both -40° C and F."
And, he didn't misspeak.
It's the only place in which the temperatures match.
Add +32° to any °C and you get your °F. So, the equation is; (-40°C × 9/5) + 32 = -40°F
(You're welcome. 👍😇)
Thankyou Dark skies. ! Another thoughtful, well researched, and factual documentery of a fascinating period of our history... ! Cheers..!
You might want to look into the F-105 replacement Republic offered to the Air Force during the Vietnam War. The direct competition was the Lockheed F-104 update called a Lancer, and the McDonnell F-4. Had Vaught been invited, the F8U-3 Crusader III would have been a closer model of what the Republic offering was.
Essentially, Republic took the F-105 small wings and redesigned them for high maneuverability. The engine was the same, and the avionics were off the shelf, but the airframe was slated for air superiority over low-level bombing.
What killed the competition was the F-111. And sensibly enough, the F-4 was considered good enough to fill the role. Given the missile technology of the time, neither plane was a good air supremacy platform.
The Air Force and Navy waited about five years (McNamara had to be out of the way before work could begin.) The results were the F-14 and F-15. Made all the updates to the Century series fighters outdated at a stroke.
I was at the crash site about 10 years ago. Canadian Rangers were tasked with cleaning up the ammunition and unexploded detonation cord. When you look on map, Mount Kologet was last peak between plane and landing back in Alaska. My totally un expert opinion is one crew member who did not get out before plane flew over ocean took control and attempted to make it back to airport, if not for the high peak of mount Kologet it would have been able to coast down into Alaska. Bomber almost made it over, crashing just a couple hundred meters below peak. looked like a perfect belly landing. Many parts where still in pristine condition. RIP fine crew that lost their life in this crash.
Great content on both Channels thanks for the great history!!
Great book on Broken Arrows...Command and Control: Nuclear Weapons, the Damascus Accident, and the Illusion of Safety. In the words of USAF Maj. 'King' Kong.....YEE-HAW!! Cheers!
Celsius is on a 100 scale, freezing to boiling is 0 to 100. Fahrenheit is on a 180 scale, freezing to boiling is 32 to 212. That's how you derive the equation: F= 9C/5 +32. When F=C, F = -40.
“The freezing weather of -40 degrees, both Celsius and Fahrenheit...” 1:20
What?! Please no.
-40 degrees Celsius is -36 Fahrenheit
Close but not exact
@@jamesricker3997 Wrong. -40 celsius is -40 fahrenheit exactly. Celsius is on a 100 scale, freezing to boiling is 0 to 100. Fahrenheit is on a 180 scale, freezing to boiling is 32 to 212. That's how you derive the equation: F= 9C/5 +32.
The C-54 mentioned, 42-72469, has never been found
B-36 Peacemaker
Nickname: 'six turning, four burning'
AKA: 'Two turning, two burning, two smoking, two choking, and two more unaccounted for'
This guy with awesome voice sent me. My uncle was a crewman on a B36 told us kids this story.. He was also a crew chief for the F 86 sabar jet in the Korean war.
Sabre
My grand father worked on the b36, some type of computer system, or something.
5:56 "three engines, half of what powered the aircraft" If I'm not mistaken, the B36 had 6 radial propeller engines and 4 jet engines: "six turning, 4 burning"
The jet engines were typically only used for assistance during take-off and dash speed over the bombing target. During regular cruising they were switched off to conserve fuel.
Liam Johnson: Thank you, I didnt know that. I thought the saying "6 turning, 4 burning meant all engines were used during flight"
@@endutubecensorship Also, the B36D was the first to get the jet engines and it entered service in late 1950. Prior to that they "only" had 6 piston engines. This was almost certainly an early model
Micheal O Flaherty: I didn't know that either, thank you for the info!
@@endutubecensorship You're welcome and Stay well.
crazy... this makes me wounder if my grandfather was on this flight. he told me a cautionary tale back when i was 8 about an event like this when he was a radar tech on a b36.
Horray!!! Congrats on your new channel custard likes avionics whoop 🙌😺
more great content, love it.
The lesson of the story: Never fly a bomber over the Arctic.
Awesome; do one about the Goldsboro north carolina broken arrow
This channel is awesome ! The narration and clips rock! Keep it up man.
Confusing. B36 is described as “6 turning and 4 burning” wheee the prototypes were underpowered so 4 turbojets were added. The TH-cam picture shows no turbojets as do some of the video clips, other clips show the 6+4 engine configuration. Also the crewman stating that prop engines failed failed to note the jets. I think it important since B36 prototypes had their own engine troubles unrelated to later B36 6+4 models. And considering the distance the plane traveled after being abandoned would have been difficult if no engine power remained. If the plane headed SW but was found NE then could someone have planned a theft, like in the “Broken Arrow” movie? And isn’t this plane normally flying at high altitudes with routine -40 temperatures?
Yup.
But presumably they don't expect those kind of temperatures at take off.
Astounding that it happened once, Reckless that it happened twice (Tybee Island 1958 is a fascinating story) but 6 lost American nukes and 32 Broken Arrows is in the realms of Dr Strangelove lunacy.
Great way to put it!
Nailed that one
Didn’t know it 6 and 32. Where you get that information from?
th-cam.com/video/p0gRHgwSGhE/w-d-xo.html
@@studinthemaking the US is even kind enough to have made sure that many of these incidents were on foreign soil.
"I'm alright jack"
thanks loved your video
My new favorite channel
“It remains unconfirmed whether the nuclear weapon was destroyed during the incident”?? - Everyone thought this question was settled in the 1980’s with the FOIA release of some angry 1950 memos where the Air Force confirms to the AEC the bomb had been jettisoned and exploded.
Not settled. The explosives were confirmed to have gone off, but whether those explosives, designed to implode a nuclear core, were sufficient to effectively eliminate the bomb is quite questionable.
You might be right - the 5000 pounds of explosives in the MK4 could turn a building into rubble or practically vaporize a car, but would most likely leave an atomic bomb intact.
@@johnwatson3948 Maybe, maybe not. It's a lot of explosive, but it's focussed, and not on destroying the weapon, so a fair bit of the blast would be wasted. And those old bombs weren't lightly built at all.
Chances are, it did blow the bomb into small chunks. But we can't be certain of it.
Sundog A It would have been easy to test though, by blowing up an identical device under controlled conditions. I wonder if they ever did that, or if not, why...
@@bennylofgren3208 Very good question!
Loving the new channel guys it's brilliant
I think the photo at 9:58 is the wreckage of a B-36 in Newfoundland Canada just outside of Clarenville. I was there last summer and lots of the wreckage is still there.
Just a FYI , the photo at 9:50 is of a B-36 crash at Burgoynes Cove, Newfoundland, Canada, not sure about the second photo at 9:56 (looks to be the same terrain but I can't find that angle on a google image search.) www.gendisasters.com/files/files/newphotos2/british_columbia_can_b-36_crash_site_2-13-50.jpg shows the terrain the actual wreck was located on. (oddly punching in "B-36 British Columbia wreck) brings up the Burgoynes Cove photos
This happened in Savanna GA also, its still in the savannah river somewhere.
I've flown out of Eielson AFB at 50 below zero. If you don't take off quickly bad things happen. I currently work at bldg 500 on Offutt AFB, the old Strategic Air Command headquarters.
Curious... Carburetor icing was a well know condition in the era of reciprocating engines before fuel injection. Can't imagine The crew not correcting the condition with carburetor heat if available.
It does seem a bit strange, but with the tasking they were given, maybe they had other things on their minds and felt pushed to go ahead.
@@underwaterdick Perhaps, but still the Flt Engineers station requires the use of check-lists that would necessitate the use of charts to predict icing conditions for determining anti-ice switch positions.
@@davidkepley4396 I appreciate that, but I also feel that "get the job done" sometimes comes into touch, and it's not unknown for aircrew to make simple mistakes in the past. Such as missing certain checklist items.
Only playing devils advocate here, "unexpected" multiple engine carb icing in those conditions sounds extremely strange to me, something like that would normally be high on the priorities list.
I know that potential wind, intake or carb icing is always something in the front of a pilots mind when conditions are obviously high risk. Especially if they have refused to shut down engines because the oil might solidify.
@@underwaterdick Can't say more without knowing how anti-ice is accomplished on the Wasp Major R-4360 but to prove your point here is a link below with first hand knowledge on the flight engineer's station. Two engineers were assigned as the panels were complex. www.zianet.com/tmorris/b36.html
I work at the museum in BC where a turret and a propeller blade from this crash are actually displayed! They always attract a lot of attention from tourists, especially Americans (although we don't get any now due to COVID, understandably).
This is not that far from where I live. My ex brother in law went to the site several years ago.
The metal piece we found was just a random part of a huge pulley. It had a short chunk of rope attached, probably used as an anchor point for fishermen
I was at WPAF museum, they have a B36 inside with its bomb bay doors open. While walking around underneath you can see 2 neat little work stations, like a small desk and a flexible lamp right at the front of each bomb bay. You can tell that's where they sat to arm the bombs. They also had the nucs bomb racks installed too. Id love to get inside and crawl around, its been completely restored.
Saw this plane in Arizona. It is remarkably large. The wingspan (unsure of actual dimensions) is jaw dropping. It appears to be one of the largest aircraft to fly at the time and certainly the largest bomber. The B29 is smaller by comparison.
0:19 I love the 4 steps to success check list for nuclear debauchery.
My new favorite channel. Please do a video on the p59
@9:45 - After reaching the site, the Canadiens (I know, I know... I'm just having fun imagining it's the hockey team up there, moonlighting as air crash investigators) said it seemed like the radiaton levels were, as we say, "aaaight." However, the Americans "did not share their conclusions?" What does that mean? They didn't share the opinion reached by the Canadian investigation? They elected to not share their findings with the public at all? That can hardly have been phrased in a more ambiguous fashion.
Great and interesting subjects ,I get lost in your contexts for hours at a time
This one is pretty cool, it happened relatively close to my home down
How could it have flown for 24 hours? Air refueling im assuming?
Nope.
It just had very large fuel tanks.
It was also pretty slow (cruising speed 230mph).
Its pronounced more like eye and not E in eielson airforce base
Eye-el-son
And just where did the bomb go ?
Also more importantly,
Where is it now?
It's where all socks go,
Once they are lost in a dryer.
But only one of a pair!
There was news of a local that found the "Birdcage" that supposively contained the plutonium core but was not known if it was lead or not. There was a picture of a guy standing beside what he found. It was confiscated soon after
Just waited for the phrase
We are left in the Dark
At the end of the video
Hehehe
1:15 - 40 both Celsius and Fahrenheit? How is that possible?
Google "-40 F = ? C" without the quotes.
Magic
Math
I believe that's the point at which both meet up.
Great channel
The crew abandoned at 3000ft AGL, the wreckage was at 6000 ASL.
At 6:30 you show mushroom clouds, which definitely didn't happen. Keep the channel dark, but not deceiving.
I think it was for effect not saying the bomb blew up.
He never said it blew up. Or that ther was a mushroom cloud as a result of this incident. The video is about a nuclear payload, ther for nuclear payloads create mushroom clouds when delivered. Litteraly every video does this when talking about whatever subject it is they are talking about. Wtf are you talking about?
Whenever there's a major screwup, the first thing is to swear everyone to secrecy for 40 years.
The “bomb” had no core. In essence, as a single stage device, it was just a shell with battery, electronics, maybe DU tamper and some conventional explosive lenses. Pretty much impossible to detonate by design or accident. I thought “broken arrows” was for missing complete weapon systems?
very nice video!
A B36 crashed in Newfoundland as well. Near Clarenville. I visited the crash site this summer . Some of the pictures in this video look similar.
B-36 'PEACEMAKER' !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YES I LOVE THIS AIRCRAFT
This wasn't the only nuke lost over Canada in 1950- on the east coast one was jettisoned from a B-50 off the Quebec coast over the St. Lawrence not far from the town of Riviere-Du-Loup. This wasn't declassified until 1986. A public U.S DOD document in 1980 mentioned the incident but only listed the location as "Outside of the United States". Apparently this does not appear on "official" DOD "broken arrow" lists but meets the definitions.
Do the Eureka/Goldsboro NC broken arrow incident
What about the juke lost near Tybee Island? A definite local legend with Bomb Squad t-shirts, etc.
I like it.. Good job DD
0:14 two packs of Lucky Strike cigarettes on the flight engineer's station, and again at 5:25. Lucky Strike!
Out of curiosity, what is that Seven High on 0:21?
Pretty neat watching this as I am currently stationed at "Carswell" now known as NAS JRB.
At 11.26 the guy checks broken arrow on a white board. What does seven high mean above it. ?
Is this not the guy from Dark Docs?
noice a new channel
Packs o’ luckies casually sitting on the controls at 0:15
Without the core, it's really just a nuclear capable bomb. And if some crew reported seeing it explode in the air then it makes sense why they never found it.
O it’s fine that thing only went down about 50 km away from where I live it’s fine don’t ask it’s fine....
A friend of mine, a fellow aviation archeologist went to this crash sire in 2004 found a suitcase with 8 thermonuclear detonators ( the detonators used to create the ignition on the nuclear bombs on the mk-4) he reported this to the USAF who could care less and to the Royal Canadian Mounted Police who likewise could care less. Now they did detonate the crash site but why not take the detonators. Yes they are not nukes but 3 of them could level a 5 story building....they are still at the crash site to this day. Scary shit.
Jim Vanderpoel That's crazy! I thought the government would be more than what to get their nuclear equipment back.
Totally unsurprising to me. If you check out my post here on the Bowden Hill B36 crash, there are still bits and pieces in the woods here in relatively closely populated Wiltshire UK to this day.
Thanks.
Just how MANY nukes have we "lost" anyways? It almost seems like so many bombers were MEANT to FAIL at carrying their nuclear payloads. Excellent work as usual OP!
i hope you get rid of the child lock so i can get the bell active to know when you upload new stuff!
Lost in the dark depths of the ocean !
6:51 Operation Bricks located 12 of the 17 crewmembers.... what has happened to the other five ? Never found ? Walked home ? Still live out there ?
Never found
It was assumed they bailed out too early over the ocean
Florida bound.
I'm surprised you haven't done a video on the Berlin Airlift.
Theres an old doc on TH-cam here that’s all about broken arrow events. I had no clue there was so many incidents involving nuclear weapon accidents, I find it quite amusing really.
I'm really glad you quit doing the clickbait with Dark5, this is so much better.
The US government throws a fit if a person owns a small rifle but here they are losing a nuclear bomb.