I’m INFJ type 4. Thank you for defending fours. When I first learned about type 4 levels of health, I felt horrified, because I related to them all. You are absolutely right that I feel a wide range of emotions, it’s challenging. But looking at my sensitivity as a gift is helpful. Thank you!
Thank you this was so helpful for me. I've been struggling with knowing my type for a long time despite lots of study and introspection. I used to immediately dismiss a 4 for myself bc "I'm not sad all the time." I always thought I'm a 1 2 or 3. But none of them really fit. I recently met with an enneagram teacher and she really quickly suggested 4. When I read into it I can relate so so much but I was still confused bc I'm relatively happy and not filled with melancholy. I kept going back to 2. But just do not relate to the panels and descriptions... Anyway all this to say thank you for sharing this myth!
My sister is a 4, I'm a 5. I admit, her emotions are difficult for me. We are both sensitive people but I tend to rationalize and objectify my emotions while she sits with them, feeling them in the moment. I feel overwhelmed by her many times. And I think she had felt like I dismissed her authenticity. Enneagram has been helpful in understanding the other's coping mechanisms. She's learned to not identify so much with what she's feeling at the moment because of my perspective and I've learned to be okay with just feeling it without having to justify it from her's.
"Sexual" 3 and 4 - what does it mean to add "sexual" to enneagram types please? (After 20 years of "shadow work," I am a self-actualized 4/INFP/empath, working on self-transcendence.)
Sexual (finding a mate/competing for recognition), self preservation, and social navigation are the three main human instincts and we tend to subconsciously operate from a dominant one. When they combine with our Enneagram number to create our subtype, they influence the way we express that number.
I would like to express something here about myself a 4. Yah I am a person that is affected currently by All the emotions/feelings and the experiences that have not as been as positive or how I would have liked them to go? Just because I feel the outcome from others selfish acts that make my life more difficult. Yes, it friggin feel it! I guess it's an excuse for others to be able to do wrongdoing and not FEEL accountable, responsible, or even admit their part in negative relations. The thing a hate about when people say, "VICTIM?" It makes me pissed (I never use the word hate either but I do!) If I were EVER ALLOWED TO BE A VICTIM THOUGH NOBODY FEELS I DESERVE TO BE ONE THOUGH THEY DONT MIND MAKING ME ONE. BETRAYAL, fraud, sexual assault, raped, used, set up, lied to, manipulated, brain washed. I am not aVictim because I don't know how to be One. I was raised in a Narcissistic Family. I was the youngest of 3 girls two years apart in age. I never was taught I had a choice.? I only was taught to say, "yes.". I only know that victim triggers many flashbacks when ever I hear it. IM NOT S VICTIM IM JUST VULNERABLE. JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE CHOOSE TO USE ME , that's when they call me a victim. To hide behind their wrongdoing they then shame-blame me. I have had many experiences in life. Most of them not ones I brag about. I am just understanding all this "Narcissistic Family" stuff. I was a bit upset when I found out the reason why I'm nice, friendly, caring? I thought I chose to be that way? "That's me, nice" I use to say. I like being happy as much as possible! It's weird when you realize why didn't my 2 older sisters look out for me? Teach me the ropes? I Never Had Anything Close To That. My sister's led me to Danger & would leave me as they left laughing. The only "ropes" they showed me was a noose around my neck as they kicked the ladder away. I'm lucky I'm alive. I have no contact with my family. Though they still stick the knife in my heart from a distance. They have my twin sons. (choking up) and I can't talk to them. I call idk why I bother calling? I JUST WANT TO TALK/SEE/LOVE MY SONS. Their Darkness(my family's) is my Candle. You have to learn to see into the dark. You either try or do or get taken down. Trust me I rather be happy though I need to protect myself if that makes sense? I'm funny I like to laugh. I guess when somebody is able to pull at your heart strings it can be challenging not to feel like "Eeyore" from your view. You know if you change your view maybe you would change how you see me? The highest form of intelligence is "To Observe not Evaluate.". Test it out you'll see how great your not? Maybe?
I’m INFJ type 4. Thank you for defending fours. When I first learned about type 4 levels of health, I felt horrified, because I related to them all. You are absolutely right that I feel a wide range of emotions, it’s challenging. But looking at my sensitivity as a gift is helpful. Thank you!
INFJ 4w5 here 🙏🏻
Thank you this was so helpful for me. I've been struggling with knowing my type for a long time despite lots of study and introspection. I used to immediately dismiss a 4 for myself bc "I'm not sad all the time." I always thought I'm a 1 2 or 3. But none of them really fit. I recently met with an enneagram teacher and she really quickly suggested 4. When I read into it I can relate so so much but I was still confused bc I'm relatively happy and not filled with melancholy. I kept going back to 2. But just do not relate to the panels and descriptions... Anyway all this to say thank you for sharing this myth!
Thank you! After trying to figure this out for months, I now realize I’m an sp 4.
My sister is a 4, I'm a 5. I admit, her emotions are difficult for me. We are both sensitive people but I tend to rationalize and objectify my emotions while she sits with them, feeling them in the moment. I feel overwhelmed by her many times. And I think she had felt like I dismissed her authenticity.
Enneagram has been helpful in understanding the other's coping mechanisms. She's learned to not identify so much with what she's feeling at the moment because of my perspective and I've learned to be okay with just feeling it without having to justify it from her's.
As a 4, yes our lows are LOW but our highs are freaking HIGH
Painful to admit 😖so true about 2 ! Self awareness is a key!’ 💯💐😁Thanks guys 🥰🥰💝
"Sexual" 3 and 4 - what does it mean to add "sexual" to enneagram types please?
(After 20 years of "shadow work," I am a self-actualized 4/INFP/empath, working on self-transcendence.)
We are the same! And I would also like to know what "sexual" means. First time I've heard of it.
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Sexual (finding a mate/competing for recognition), self preservation, and social navigation are the three main human instincts and we tend to subconsciously operate from a dominant one. When they combine with our Enneagram number to create our subtype, they influence the way we express that number.
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I would like to express something here about myself a 4. Yah I am a person that is affected currently by All the emotions/feelings and the experiences that have not as been as positive or how I would have liked them to go? Just because I feel the outcome from others selfish acts that make my life more difficult. Yes, it friggin feel it! I guess it's an excuse for others to be able to do wrongdoing and not FEEL accountable, responsible, or even admit their part in negative relations. The thing a hate about when people say, "VICTIM?" It makes me pissed (I never use the word hate either but I do!) If I were EVER ALLOWED TO BE A VICTIM THOUGH NOBODY FEELS I DESERVE TO BE ONE THOUGH THEY DONT MIND MAKING ME ONE. BETRAYAL, fraud, sexual assault, raped, used, set up, lied to, manipulated, brain washed. I am not aVictim because I don't know how to be One. I was raised in a Narcissistic Family. I was the youngest of 3 girls two years apart in age. I never was taught I had a choice.? I only was taught to say, "yes.". I only know that victim triggers many flashbacks when ever I hear it. IM NOT S VICTIM IM JUST VULNERABLE. JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE CHOOSE TO USE ME , that's when they call me a victim. To hide behind their wrongdoing they then shame-blame me. I have had many experiences in life. Most of them not ones I brag about. I am just understanding all this "Narcissistic Family" stuff. I was a bit upset when I found out the reason why I'm nice, friendly, caring? I thought I chose to be that way? "That's me, nice" I use to say. I like being happy as much as possible! It's weird when you realize why didn't my 2 older sisters look out for me? Teach me the ropes? I Never Had Anything Close To That. My sister's led me to Danger & would leave me as they left laughing. The only "ropes" they showed me was a noose around my neck as they kicked the ladder away. I'm lucky I'm alive. I have no contact with my family. Though they still stick the knife in my heart from a distance. They have my twin sons. (choking up) and I can't talk to them. I call idk why I bother calling? I JUST WANT TO TALK/SEE/LOVE MY SONS.
Their Darkness(my family's) is my Candle. You have to learn to see into the dark. You either try or do or get taken down. Trust me I rather be happy though I need to protect myself if that makes sense? I'm funny I like to laugh. I guess when somebody is able to pull at your heart strings it can be challenging not to feel like "Eeyore" from your view. You know if you change your view maybe you would change how you see me? The highest form of intelligence is "To Observe not Evaluate.". Test it out you'll see how great your not? Maybe?