Given how many times we've already been surprised at things happening faster than predicted, I won't be surprised if it's easier to melt that permafrost than currently estimated.
Yeah I Do Agree But I also do think global warming isn't happening as fast like we predict of course it will melt but i really doubt that it is gonna happen in like 5 more years i feel like another 78 Years Until 2/4 of the ice melts
@@MoldyMan. the Arctic has already warmed 3-4°c. It's melted faster than predicted in most areas but still shows resilience. Considering the fact we have predicted less warming than reality, your comment seems illogical and ignores the failure of current predicted changes. Then add in new information about non linear collapse of ice and methane bursts, your position is a highly risky one. As a conservative, I can't support such a highly risky approach with the outcomes of your position being wrong so severe, lives and livelihoods will be lost just to prop up a sunset industry and limit jobs and prosperity from sunrise industries. Risking lives and survival on a hunch is scary 😨
It’s crazy that literally the billionaires who’s empires are destroying the planet almost all have children (and grandchildren) seem to think they’re not making an uninhabitable world for the kids they’re leaving behind. It makes no sense. Are they that delusional? In denial? Wouldn’t you care if running your business meant your grandchild would end up a climate refugee?!
As long as our economy remains driven by the profit motive and market logic, we will always have a plutocracy. The political structure reflects the base economic system, unfortunately
I hear talk of ruining the moon by pumping particulates into space in between the eart and the sun from it to fix global warming... for profit... instead of just not ruining the moon by just stopping the ruining of earth... for profit. Doomed... we're doomed.
There used to be snow and ice, from the top states of the US, through Canada and Alaska. Now, it barely snows. The ice used to be pristine and white. The spot and pollution have turned the ice black, and is melting a lot faster than it would have if we didn't pollute. I think it's too late. Some people are not taking the causes seriously. I really feel sorry for our kids and grandkids!
Not permafrost throughout Canada only winter snow & ice (I'm looking at it) but yes there's less than a few decades ago. I'm fairly sure that the nice video lady already said that.
Wildfire Ash is turning ice and permafrost black. This will result in a faster melt because the sun can't deflect therefore heating everything up faster.
We're not taking it seriously because it's all a lie. If future generations aren't fine, it won't be because of climate change. It will be because powerful people, who have figured out that fake emergencies give them unlimited control, have destroyed our way of life and standard of living because they want to bring the entire world down to a third-world level of bare subsistence. Every one of their doom-and-gloom predictions has failed to come true. Remember when Obama said that the glaciers in Glacier National Park would be melted by 2020? Still there, big as ever. The National Parks Service actually had a sign with that prediction up at the overlook, then they quietly removed it. Alleged climate change is the biggest power grab in history. Stop giving in to manufactured fear.
yeah we're at 2.2C above 1770 norm already, but we got very fortunate and it winds up we still have more then 5 million square km of ice in the artic pole so we wont have immediate societal collapse. So we will live beyond 2026 but 2027 to 2028 are very real societal collapse points. Oh well, "they were the best of times and they were the worst of times". Now is great time to achieve spiritual realization. Everybodies life is a life and death scenerio. It's just the story and terrain our lives play out on.
Very ignorant comment. You're possibly picking a 5 or 10 year period and generalising. 2030 to 2035 might have the same amount of snow. What we know for certain is the Heat Islands effect reduces the chance of frosts and snow in heavily built up urban areas and surrounds.
@@carleddison7479 Sure if you call a dozen years rapid. What could a dozen years of a potent greenhouse gas like Methane do? Well... good thing CO2 and Water Vapor aren't green house gasses.
my childhood bedroom faced permafrost mountains and over the years ive had to watch them melt over time and now it just rains in the winter :( i loved winter and snow but now winter is just sad bc of how much it rains. spring used to make me sad when the snow melted late march/april but now its nov/dec and theres only rain and hardly snow the rest of winter, heartbreaking really
Where I am, we're getting heavy rains in late winter and flooding is getting worse and more frequent. Trees soak up summer rains but that's not happening in February and March.
@@merleshand2442 what bearing does what you say have on this discussion? Weather cycles overlay broader general climactic conditions. In the grand scheme, local weather is immaterial. It is the global climate trend that matters. Because the planetary climate is a dynamic, chaotic system, the energy of which increases as a function of increased heat retention, unexpected events will become the norm.
I'm with William Rees and Nate Hagens here. Overshoot is the problem. Climate change is a symptom of the cheap energy we've had to exploit the planet. The best way to mitigate seems to be to get off of our addiction to growth. If we stopped plowing excess of CO2 could be drawn down within a couple of years with same or better foodproduction.. See UN report on soil. No need for technical solutions, which anyway comes from the worldview that got us into this predicament. As another commentator wrote: "economy comes before ecology"..."Ecology" being externalized in economic thinking. etc etc etc etc
"We" have been aware of the problem and the steps we need to take to avoid serious consequences for decades. We've also known that the longer we procrastinate, the more drastic measures needed would become. And, so far, we've done nowhere near what is needed. That's a trend I expect to continue until seriously dire results are unavoidable.
@@RichardMiller-tq6ut maybe the capitalism of 50 years ago, this is capitalism on overdrive, nothing, and i mean nothing, matters other than exponential profits. Not even your measly pathetic life, otherwise youd have free speedy healthcare, great transportation, and would sleep for once instead of living at your job earning the same wage you where earning 5 years ago.
We can recycle plastic and take the bus all we want, at the end of the day its the top 1% corporations pushing us towards extinction. "We" can't do much more than hold them accountable or wait to die.
It always seems like scientists isolate events. You look at melting then make predictions that things don't get bad for decades. This allows people to ignore it. But you don't take in the entire picture. The storms, floods, fires, and droughts already have gotten much worse. Add to the three additional children PER SECOND, and eight billion people already here and then do the math. Then you have every city on the planet using the same resources. Cities use the same cars, computers, clothing, housing, roads, factories, stores, etc. Not only is permafrost melting, but so is ice all over the world. Rising seas will destroy coastal civilizations. Droughts will cause the end of agriculture. Fires will destroy everything in it's path. Floods have become insane. So it's time to calculate all of these effects when doing a video like this. Otherwise you isolate the issue into something that only exists as an abstract. Habitat overshoot and the effects of climate change should be discussed more considering these facts. This isn't happening in decades in the future. This is happening right now.
You're not wrong, but that kind of whole information causes some people to panic and others to scoff and ignore any further information. We need reasonable thought and response to these crises.
@@kittimcconnell2633 in fact, no many people has seen the geologist and geophysicist Elizaveta Khromova associated with Creative Society, on the first 30 minutes video 'our survival is in unity'
My 6th grade science teacher taught us about "tipping points" in 1973. And remember the "energy crisis" around that time? We have known we needed to get off of fossil fuels for a very long time, and we didnt do it. Too late now, friends. Too late. Buckle up because it's going to be a crazy ride from now on.
WOW, I was a kid in 1973 and recall a neighbors kid telling me the news about the earth warming "he said it was the sun, but I knew he was not telling me the truth" Can you tell me what school you went to?
So many of these tipping point events remind me of a slow plumbing leak. It *seems* like just a few drops here and there, but when you put a bucket under it, you realize that you're losing gallons of water daily. Of course, a plumbing leak can be fixed fairly easily.....
Relative to the cost of doing nothing, so can climate change. But of course, to do so democratically depends on a small majority of human beings being both reasonably intelligent and halfway decent. The rank falsity of this, of course, is precisely what's brought us to this point.
Interesting. I also consider the possible sublimation of methane calcites to be equivalent to the leaky water main running outside your house bursting.
This (permafrost melting) and methane hydrate is why Don't Look Up was made, we have functionally passed the tipping point, we would have to stop all human emissions today in order to avoid this tipping point. This mechanism (co2 induced frozen methane release) caused the Permian Extinction. It's absolutely stunning what we've set in motion for future generations.
Even if we stopped all human CO2 and methane emissions *right now,* we've already set into motion a shift in global climate to at least 2'C, if not more. That's already begun, and it can't be taken back. All we can do is not make it worse.
@@DeborahRosen99 only 2c with close to 2 trillion tons of methane melting? lol, I wish I had your optimism. I expect 2c by 2035, and up to 5c total shift UNLESS the AMOC shuts down and refreezes the polar methane stores. But is the AMOC shutting down really a good thing? No, but sadly, that's our best case scenario. We could EASILY outpace the GAT change that caused the Permian Extinction.
As the corporatist powers that be are aware, we’re in the midst of a polycrisis - multiple existential crises that spell certain doom for a large percentage of the global human population and most other life on the planet - any one of which is extremely problematic, but taken together serve as an indictment of those same people’s political influence, wanton greed and exorbitant lifestyle. It’s not left versus right anymore, if ever it was. It’s top versus bottom, and it’s high time to rise up or give up.
This whole idea of blowing past one tipping point after another somehow reminds me of my favorite quote from Douglas Adams: "I just love deadlines, and the *whoosing* noise they make is they go past." Just replace "deadlines" with "tipping points."
Not even close to a tipping point. 2 million years ago the average temp was 11 to 19 C on average warmer than today...no tipping point...and we entered the Ice Ages after it th-cam.com/video/P57N9p-8NdI/w-d-xo.html
There's always more factors at play in natural systems than we know. These changes will likely happen faster than even expert models upper projections.
We're past the point of no return. We're toast. The lack fo glboal agreement ot abandon fossil fuels (and that's EU too!), we're looking at a mass extinction. It's insane that we didn't start 40 years ago aggressively, but... People are stupid.
If there are more factors at play than we understand, that doesn’t necessarily mean that all of them point towards faster warming. We selectively hear the news about the things that surprise us with faster warming because the alternative doesn’t get published in the popular media. You could still be right, but it’s a form of biased thinking to think that because we often hear about “faster than expected” surprises that this means that everything in climatology goes faster than expected.
@Scott I see you posting a lot about your FEELINGS but this is a scientific matter not picking your favorite color so unfortunately your feelings don't matter
When I was little, I remember the highest temperature in east China Summer was 28C, now can reach to 48C. What's 20C increase in 40 years. Look at Toronto, Canada this Winter, comparing to 20 years ago, at least 10C increase.
@@nogreatreset8506 You know that the rockefellers started BP, Shell, Chevron, Exxonmobil, AMOCO and ARAMCO, right?And the XX in ExxonMobil is the templar's cross. You're literally defending the WEF's interests. WAKE THE F UP!!!
and apathy.. People JUST don't care... toooooo busy playing video games and multiple other DISTRACTIONS vs DEALING with the real issues of life.. ho hum...
What about the fact that this has happened multiple times before humans ever learned how to burn fossil fuels? We have not had anything to do with this so-called climate change it's a 100% natural process the earth goes through. We're technically still in a glacial period, there are glaciers on mountains still.
@@rickx1621 ...and violent arguments or threats from the deniers of global warming. The narrative or arguments of deniers are almost always backed up by the police, soldiers, armies of lawyers, bankers and their. politicians.
Yes, ignorance on your part. Anyone who thinks we can stop burning fossil fuel any time in the medium future is extremely ignorant. Trying to do this now or in the medium future would lead to billions of deaths.
I was just in Alaska to see the glaciers. In Denali National Park some of the roads are closed because the permafrost under them melted and the roads have slumped.
I grew up in Toronto in the 90s. The difference in winter then and now is basically night and day. It's the middle of winter as I'm posting this. Yesterday was 15°C, which is closer to early-mid spring.
@@subcummins0134 I definitely envy you, if it's that cold where you are. A few days passed since my OP. It's 3°C right now, which will reach to a high of 5. Looks like no winter for me this year.
@@Rakshasa1986 It has been an epic winter here. I live high up in the mountains. Almost 150% snowpack. 35 nights below zero Fahrenheit where I live so far this winter and more to come. But even Denver had snow on the ground pretty much the entire month of January. One of their coldest too. I had a teams meeting with a guy just north of Ottawa Canada a couple weeks ago. He said he just had a bunch of snow and it was -40C. I guess it's warmed up quite a bit since then?
@@subcummins0134 Ottawa is further up north from Toronto (about 350km - or 218 miles). It's far enough away that they have their own weather. I googled what the temperature for Ottawa was and it says it's currently -1°C. -40 to -1 is a massive swing. It definitely warmed up a lot.
We are in for a major El Nino event which means hotter temperatures and major fires. I expect vast portions of the forest biome to burn this summer. Fires in the carbon mat as the permafrost melts will also be an issue.
Yes it’s odd that it wasn’t mentioned especially considering that much of the coastal seas are shallow since it used to be land. What happens if the sea ice all melts?
As a scientist I have to tell you that everything is technologically possible, from 8K/14.4°F to 0K/0°F compared to pre-industrial levels. The question is what is politically and sociologically feasible. (and no, we wouldn't need to live like in the 1800s to keep global warming at 0K/0°F)
@@reee_4067 more the voters that elects them that is the problem, the leaders are just punching bags but punching them doesn't actually do anything. until the masses stop believing in bullshit, nothing will happen. i see no change in voters positions, most are ignorant and/or lazy. humans love, ever so much, to self-destruct.
The issues related to sea level rise have not yet been considered in the equation. 4 feet of sea level rise submerges totally the Florida Keys, but according to some authorities 18 inches will make Miami International Airport non functional ( It was built in an area once considered Everglades which was drained ) The last time all ice melted , except for islands that make up the Lake Wales Ridge, all of Florida south of the Gainesville area was underwater. The last time all global ice melted sea level was at least 100 feet higher. My highly respected professor of Environmental Science had told me 20 years ago that if PPM atmospheric CO2 levels rose above around 360, our goose was “cooked”. Well, it is now over 400 and still rising. The big question is how fast will the melting affect ice stability in Antarctica. The fracturing of the Thwaites ice shelf will raise sea level almost immediately an estimated 4 feet.
That was a well researched and presented video. Short enough that hopefully people’s limited attention spans will watch it, and maybe make cause people to make some slight changes to how they live to avoid their grandchildren from living in a near uninhabitable world.
@@pbsterra I would love an episode (though it may be too controversial) about how to have a discussion with a friend or family member who doesn’t think that climate change is a big deal. Finding a way to have a respectful dialogue about climate change and getting people we know to care would be helpful. I hear this so often from friends. “You’re overreacting.” Or “Prove it.” Or “Here’s a contradiction proving that there isn’t a climate crisis.” I think change begins at home, and if we can explain this crisis to our parents and our friends that leads to actual change, that will turn into a big change that could help us all. Waiting for the UN to fix things, or large corporations has clearly not worked. We have to make millions of small changes, and educating those around us seems the best (but challenging) way to start.
@@tobybartlett anyone still in denial at this point is likely incapable of independent thought and will likely just echo whatever political and corporate climate denial propaganda until the end, but good luck though its worth a try.
I recommend the documentary Pleistocene Park. It follows a man and his family in Russia, who run a wildlife park with the goal of restoring an animal population similar to the one that has historically lived in the Siberian steppe. These animals help regulate the environment by keeping the brush low, which lowers the temperature of the ground.
I assume you are referring to the great work of Professor Sergey Zimov and his son Nikita. It is astonishing how little they are listened to. It stays small until it's too late. And in fact, it is already too late. His proven effect of grazing snowy tundra can only save the world when his practice is applied on a massive scale. That means forming herds of many millions of large grazers such as bison. Those numbers are no longer there.
The question is not how many mammoth tusks that we will find but rather how many human skeletons that some future species will find as a consequence of our own selfishness and complacency.
Maybe you will be more impressed if you look at a) from a biologist Guy Mc Pherson Nature bats last at the edge of extinction only love remains b) from a geologist and geophysicist Elizaveta Khromova associated with Creative Society the first 30 minutes of the video 'our survival is in unity'
I don't believe any data released by any government, only trust myself. I've been watching the temperature change in the past 30 years very closely, because I don't like hot weather. I was forced to move from Singapore to Canada because my body can't take that heat all year around. That's why I remember these change very clearly.
I understand your mistrust, but most scientific data is not "released by governments", it is thousands of researchers in thousands of universities all iver the world, from small ones to big ones, from public funded to corporate funded. That's why science is still something we can mostly trust, because data comes from a large wealth of research from so many different sources, mostly not politically driven or influenced.
Great video. Thinking that this type of catastrophic warming is far in the future is short sighted. The thing that is impossible to predict are the wildcards. Things outside of our control that amplify the warming, even if only temporarily. As an example, the underwater Tonga Eruption. Something like this could be the temporary catalyst that kicks starts the domino chain.
NOW FOR THE GOOD NEWS: Active research in seasonal thermal insulation for northern permafrost regions have been underway since the early 2000's, and there is much potential for slowing down the heat transfer towards these carbon-dense permafrost regions, thus ultimately buying more time to fight climate change.
We've got 8 billion people demanding huge amounts of energy. If the energy from fossil fuels gets cut off people suffer & the economy plummets. In fact, even if the economy doesn't grown by over 2% that's a problem. So they keep burning fossil fuels. If we made a move to hydrogen it would eliminate greenhouse gas emissions but it's expensive, so the overall economy would plummet. We're in a tough spot folks.
Tipping point. By the way, I have difficulty communicating because I had a stroke in Broca’s area, the part of the brain that controls speech. 2/8/2021 but I lived again. (My wife helped me compose this.)
The permafrost is releasing serious amounts of methane. The Paris agreement goals are history. We should be preparing for major flooding of coastal areas, mass migration and economic instability ahead
I paddled the Mackenzie R. in N. Canada from the Great Slave L. to the Arctic ocean and saw thawing permafrost in many places along the shore and further inland away from the river. If we don't start taking CO2 emissions seriously in the developed countries, it could be game over for life as we know it.
You did? That sounds like an amazing trip. I've dreamed of doing it for a long time after paddling whitewater on the Slave River near Fort Smith. I have questions. Send me a DM? Trip@BalanceMedia.tv
@@volkerengels5298 too much co2 to be good for plants? Wow. Greenhouse owners are wasting millions on pumping more into their greenhouses. Better tell them so they quit wasting all that money. Also, surely you can find better indoctrination than that. I understand why you are resistant to independent thought
As long as America has a huge group of science deniers, forward progress in America is going to be difficult. Couple that with capitalism that cares more about today and tomorrow than 40 years off, well it's going to be a shit show unfortunately.
I think it's a done deal. My simplistic analogy is: I'm on the Titanic a bit after the iceberg. Just been down to third class where people are starting die. Go up the first class (US) and the talk is this really true with all the silly talk of "are we really sinking". Talk is a trip they wanta take, buying a new car or as I listened to short time ago "my compost". I heard a guy say "weather is weird". No shit Charley. All the "we could do", we should do", etc is simply a waste of time. Sometimes reality is a bitch but that doesn't change it.
Not even close to a tipping point. 2 million years ago the average temp was 11 to 19 C on average warmer than today...no tipping point...and we entered the Ice Ages after it th-cam.com/video/P57N9p-8NdI/w-d-xo.html
I’m gonna be honest I can barely listen to these sorts of videos anymore because it’s just so overwhelmingly depressing and the issue seems insurmountable with how governments around the world are refusing to actually get serious about it.
Gosh im with you on that. I could only stomach 5 minutes. Not that I dont want to know of course but the thing is I know this already. I knew about permafrost locked carbon since 2017. And the fact that it just gets worse. Its so hard to think about the future right now without giving into despair.
Data proves that humanity has never been safer, healthier or more prosperous than at any time in history, by any measurement you care to examine. This trend has never been interrupted. When glaciers melted 10,000 years ago they released more methane than today. The entire northern hemisphere was under mile thick ice. Humans without an ounce of technology survived fine.
@@rorqualdesertico8193 To end your despair stop listening to wild hyperbolic speculations of future events that never materialize and start paying attention to the data of actual events that have transpired. The data proves we are safe.
@@anthonymorris5084 That's the attitude the has gotten us to the point of major self destruction.. Our planet will NOT support humans that destroy the forests, pollute the air and oceans & rivers, and play computer GAMES as distractions and NEVER... no NEVER deal with life's real issues.. better to be involved with virtual reality & AI robots to "fuck" instead of dealing with REAL relationships... Humans have reached a HIGH POINT OF STUPIDITY. We will NOT survive this. The geologists that predict humanity could be EXTINCT in as little as TEN YEARS are conservative... Human actions are completely irresponsible & the leaders are all liars talking but not taking action to make our world STAY inhabitable... It SUCKS that there are sooooo many fools.
The government is virtually helpless to address the problems of the weather and geologic disasters...All they are able to do is talk... This global situation is escalating on the downward spiral... We can see, but we're helpless to prevent it....May God have mercy on mankind 🙏☝️...
It's like having a chicken in your freezer. You take the chicken out and let it defrost on the counter and you go away for the weekend, but then you forgot about the chicken left on the counter. When you come home, the chicken has decomposed and the whole house smells.
You're very right, it's the circle of life. The food we eat used to be a plant that grew in dirt. The dirt used to be a plant or animal before it decomposed. When you freeze the chicken you stop the circle of life and eventually all the dirt (aka: CO2) is used up and then nothing can grow. Don't take my word for it, check out how close we came to 150ppm of CO2. It's not good. "... would have continued to decline until CO2 approached the threshold of 150 ppm below which plants begin first to starve, then stop growing altogether, and then die. Not just woody plants but all plants. This would bring about the extinction of most, if not all, terrestrial species, as animals, insects, and other invertebrates starved for lack of food. And that would be that. The human species would never have existed. This was merely the first time that there was a distinct possibility that life would come close to extinguishing itself due to a shortage of CO2."
Great video as always. Interesting if not depressing and you guys always do a great job. Side note: Maiya I love how you have a different hair style in every video lol. You always look great!
I mean, spoilers, but we're loooong past the Arctic Permafrost tipping point. Following a sigmoid curve, it takes about 40 years to see 70% of the effect that emissions will have in their 1000-year lifetime. In other words, temperature changes lag behind atmospheric changes by between several decades and several centuries. In other words, the warming we see today is more attributable to emissions made in the 1980s than it is to today's emissions. Oh well, we had a good run.
The "methane of they're under water" at 3:12 is incorrect. If there's insufficient oxygen (under water) the anaerobic bacteria combine the carbon into 50% CH4 and 50% CO2, not into pure CH4, like this: 2*C + 2*H2O = CH4 + CO2.
That being said, once we lose the Arctic summer ice in the next year or so, it’ll be game over for us puny humans. We’ve already crossed the critical tipping points.
Is what is saying the biologist Guy Mc Pherson Nature bats at the edge of extinction only love remains but is more stunning what the geologist and geophysicist Elizaveta Khromova associated with Creative Society is telling us on the first 30 minutes video 'our survival is in unity'
Since warming in the Arctic is happening a few times as rapidly as global average, 3-4 degrees increase is baked in. When the northern ice cap disappears, which it might rather suddenly in near future due to loss of stratification, permafrost demise is a done deal.
From what I understand about a "tipping point" is, things happen very quickly and unexpectedly. To calculate all of the variables involved seems unrealistic. This is frightening stuff! I wonder if anybody is (really) listening? We have settled into a rhythm of deep and comfortable greed, and we are not likely to escape it. Like an old cigarette commercial said, "I`d rather fight than switch". IF THE OCEAN TEMPERATURE RISES THREE MORE DEGREES, WALKS IN CENTRAL PARK WILL BECOME JUST MEMORIES.
I think that if we thought the tobacco industry crowd was a bad actor in the proliferation of cancer and lung disease, then we ain't seen nothin yet as far as the zombie fuel industry is concerned, and the effects that crowd will have on human health. but that's okay right? cuz profits and jobs are what is important...
The sad problem is the petro companies are not going to stop drilling until the wells are dry, and their money is going to block all political and legal actions until that happens. That's why UAE oil CEO is running COP 28.
Isn't this old news? I remember seeing footage of massive areas in Alaska where the trees are collapsing on themselves because of permafrost warming up at least five years ago. Seem to recall 60 Minutes perhaps or one of those weekly new shows.
Solar power is the best solution. But USA put up to 200% tax on solar panels from outside nations and they are almost all made outside. To ensure that ALL solar panels are stifled, Biden extended the taxes to solar panels made in Southeast Asia, aka Malaysia and Vietnam, and not just China. The policy originated with Obama, at a time when the USA should have been jumpstarting solar worldwide. Instead it strangled solar production and we are short hundreds of gigawatts of what would have been clean energy replacing coal and gas. Hundreds of power plants.
We have likely already hit "tipping points" years or even decades ago and dont even realize what we are seeing in real time. The chart at 0:30 is showing feedbacks of temperature change. Why are we only focused on what we are doing in the last 20 years? Something definitely changed in the early 1900's and continued until 1950's, the down turn is likely the feedback, then progressing. WWI, WWII production? The testing of nuclear bombs? The permafrost was already melting at the turn of the century 1900, so did it release enormous amounts of methane?
The term "positive" feedback sounds ... positive, but often isn't, that's why many prefer the terms "reinforcing" feedback and "balancing" feedback, instead of positive and negative. Might have been worth mentioning the methane hydrates that are melting under the actic ocean.
That’s me, most likely. Yeah, this is not acceptable. I finally learned that there are people I can annoy to help this not happen, and now I’m starting some carefully planned annoying of people. Hopefully it will turn into change.
@@gingerpickett6958 that is very presumptuous. Altering the weather will have devastating consequences. Altering the climate will have consequences beyond devastating. Imagine meddling with such a thing that no one on earth understands
Unfortunately, there are now many people and countries that want global warming because they can profit because northern areas can be opened up for oil and other mining that was not available before. New farmlands will be open in the northern areas which is more profits for those who were frozen before. And those areas that are flooded or become deserts is their tough luck. As long as there is profit in global warming that is the direction humanity will go. Profit first, the world and humanity a distant second... Yeah, more woolly mammoth tusks, profit, profit, profit...
I hear this global warming garbage so much it's so easy to just neglect it. Not saying an issue doesn't exist but it's hard to grasp the facts out of all the noise. This video is a good step in the right direction.
I don’t understand why you use. The temperature of 1.1 degrees.? In Paul Beckwith reading Nd interpretation of the weekly scientific reports. ve passed 1.5 degrees. So what is your baseline temperature?
Things are so far gone with climate change I'm not even sure why we make stories like this. Its too late. We had our chance and our leaders and corporations continue to put profits over human existence. Live it up while you can.
The most important part of this video is at 3:00 Make sure you lookup and understand what this means. This difference between global average and Arctic Amplification will continue to increase until warming reaches it's limit. There used to be monkeys and alligators in Ellesmere Island some 50 million years ago. But the warming back then happened at least 10 times slower than the current rate.
In all exponential curves it starts slow and speeds up. The curve is already happening. It has already been triggers. Try to remember that there isn't supposed to be green forests growing there.
I think we might find our own skeletons if we do but here in America we have a sizable population that will do without proper healthcare so that they don’t have to help contribute to the healthcare of anyone else and so I think we have to change their minds because they are already willing to die for their ideology these changes cannot be left to the individual the impact we can make as a society through legislation is so much more powerful and defaults to caution rather than allowing people who may already be on the financial verge of disaster and expecting them to choose life in the future As less virtuous than convenience today
So let me get this straight, there are fossilized plants and animals frozen in this permafrost from some time since the last interglacial warm period. Doesn't that mean the was a time it wasn't frozen? If it had thawed then, why will it be so bad this time? Plus, it will only melt when the surface temperature is above freezing. So it could take hundreds to thousands of years to melt and so spread out the release of these greenhouse gasses.
The first tipping point was tipped at 0.5C warming around 1980! We only require one tipping point to make all the so called tipping points to fall like a huge set of dominoes one after the other. So it’s abrupt and irreversible from the first tip of course. Also there has been no reduction of making stuff so emissions of greenhouse gases keep on climbing infinitely! How on Earth can you say it’s reversible as we have had no control since the 1980’s due to the first tip of 0.5C warming. So many are pushing ‘hopeism’ instead of reality!
Do the temperature thresholds (for each permafrost melting level) are a the global or a the regional level? (Cause if it's at the regional level, given that warming is more intense around North pole, it feels like we are f***ed up...)
How about natural fibers to package food? Like fish net style. Sounds cheap enough. And water bottles could really all just go out the window, a two tier tap water + good filter system is ideal anyhow (only one good filter in existence, brita elite) and has no microplastics. Frozen meat products you could probably easily package in any cheap biodegradable material that only is stable at frozen temps, like pretty much anything, with the added bonus you know it has not been unfrozen because then it would desintegrate. The fresh meat you could get cut from behind the counter instead of prepackaged.
The Animal with speech and a Working brain, does the most damage Just 7 years from now 2030, the weather will be such a constant problem Causing wide spread damage and repair costs, causing layoffs
Don't forget about food shortages, rice and wheat are already failing in China and India, and Russia likely won't reclaim the lost production of the war in Ukraine.
Not only is the thawing of the permafrost a tipping point as far as I am concerned, but when climatologists are now saying "climate boiling" I fear we have already passed that point of no return.
What we know already is that we are in the midst of abrupt, irreversable climate change and the sixth major, and most probably, the final and total extinction of life on earth. The sheer rapidity of this phenomenon is clearly beyond the ability of most of us to understand. As the geometric rate of change accelerates, so shall the experience of shock to be felt by each of the final living humans.
Idealism vs realism in this situation makes me believe that people just are NOT going to do enough in time to change or slow anything. I think people need to of course keep trying to do better but also making preparations to move away from coastlines that are projected to go under water. Governments to prepare to resettle people inland. Ensure water supplies. Tons of investment on indoor food growing, electric grid growth, more solar and wind power so we can be ready for both very hot or a sudden shift to very cold etc. We need to start getting ready to survive a changing world w the hope ppl change but prepare for the worst. If we prepare to live in a much hotter world that will be immediately followed by a freezing world then we will survive w minimal crisis. We just need to start preparing now and on a large scale.
The only way the energy transition will happen is if renewable energy sources become genuinely (no subsidies) cheaper than fossil fuels and widely available. We could be reaching a point like this now and if the price trend of renewables continues, there could be exponential adoption of renewables leading to less emissions than expected, simply because it would be cheaper for companies to produce with renewables. A key point is of course the dumbest of all, which is permitting. Are we really going to exterminate human kind because of red tape?
When it comes to tipping points this is what the IPCC (Special Report on implications of 1.5C or more warming, Chapter 3) says:“there is little evidence for a tipping point in the transition from perennial to seasonal ice cover. No evidence has been found for irreversibility or tipping points, suggesting that year-round sea ice will return given a suitable climate”. The IPCC also do not believe the melting of the arctic permafrost will cause a tipping point in the release of warming methane gas “the carbon released to the atmosphere from thawing permafrost is projected to be restricted to 0.09-0.19 Gt C yr-1 at 2°C of global warming and to 0.08-0.16 Gt C yr-1 at 1.5°C, which does not indicate a tipping point”. The Earth's climate is a multi input thermodynamic system and will conform to Le Chatelier's Principle.
By the time CO2 had reached 350ppm it was already too late to stop Arctic circle warming. The climate baton had already been passed to CH4, which is, as is well known, a far more volatile catalist in atmospheric heating. The amount of CH4 escaping from the permafrost is now unstoppable which is why the Arctic has warmed faster than any other region over the past several years. The rising CH4 in the atmosphere above the Arctic is causing the ever rising temperatures. The positive feedback loop is now way beyond any kind of control. It is already way too late. Add to that the vast amount of CH4 now escaping from warming methane hydrates beneath the oceans which now make the surface literally boil in many regions in every ocean. These are being warmed from beneath by rising mantle plumes and undersea volcanism. The evidence of this is the rising amount of deep quakes in the S pacific. In 2022 there was a Mag7 beneath Fiji and then a short while later a Mag 8 beneath Tonga followed by the most powerful explosive eruption occurred when Hunga Tonga-Hunga Ha'apai blew it's top. All around the ring of fire volcanism has ramped up. This is also happening beneath the west Antarctic ice sheet and east of Greenland. Even though CH4 has a much shorter volatile life than CO2 the massive amounts now being released will exacerbate the melting of permafrost.The recent wildfires across Siberia and Canada have added to the heating and also been assisted by pockets of CH4 that have ignited as they came into contact with the fires passing over.This is still happening in Siberia now. It is time for people to realize that stopping permafrost melting is now impossible and adaptation to the ever changing situation is paramount.
We broke the amazon's hydrology cycle and the AMOC is shutting down faster than anticipated, too. We screwed up, thanks Cheney. Iraq's oil was 100% worth it.
Given how many times we've already been surprised at things happening faster than predicted, I won't be surprised if it's easier to melt that permafrost than currently estimated.
Shuddup.
The Arctic has warmed well over 1.5 already? This report downplays the reality and is based on old averaged data.
@@nottenvironmental6208 i assume they mean 3.0 degrees global average is needed...
Yeah I Do Agree But I also do think global warming isn't happening as fast like we predict of course it will melt but i really doubt that it is gonna happen in like 5 more years i feel like another 78 Years Until 2/4 of the ice melts
@@MoldyMan. the Arctic has already warmed 3-4°c. It's melted faster than predicted in most areas but still shows resilience. Considering the fact we have predicted less warming than reality, your comment seems illogical and ignores the failure of current predicted changes. Then add in new information about non linear collapse of ice and methane bursts, your position is a highly risky one. As a conservative, I can't support such a highly risky approach with the outcomes of your position being wrong so severe, lives and livelihoods will be lost just to prop up a sunset industry and limit jobs and prosperity from sunrise industries. Risking lives and survival on a hunch is scary 😨
As long as our form of governement remains a plutocracy, the economy will always trump the environment.
Because billionaires gotta. Are more money no matter who dies
It’s crazy that literally the billionaires who’s empires are destroying the planet almost all have children (and grandchildren) seem to think they’re not making an uninhabitable world for the kids they’re leaving behind. It makes no sense. Are they that delusional? In denial? Wouldn’t you care if running your business meant your grandchild would end up a climate refugee?!
As long as our economy remains driven by the profit motive and market logic, we will always have a plutocracy. The political structure reflects the base economic system, unfortunately
There are actually perverse incentives to speed up the warming such as opening trade routes in the Arctic
I hear talk of ruining the moon by pumping particulates into space in between the eart and the sun from it to fix global warming... for profit... instead of just not ruining the moon by just stopping the ruining of earth... for profit. Doomed... we're doomed.
There used to be snow and ice, from the top states of the US, through Canada and Alaska. Now, it barely snows. The ice used to be pristine and white. The spot and pollution have turned the ice black, and is melting a lot faster than it would have if we didn't pollute. I think it's too late. Some people are not taking the causes seriously. I really feel sorry for our kids and grandkids!
Not permafrost throughout Canada only winter snow & ice (I'm looking at it) but yes there's less than a few decades ago. I'm fairly sure that the nice video lady already said that.
Wildfire Ash is turning ice and permafrost black. This will result in a faster melt because the sun can't deflect therefore heating everything up faster.
We're not taking it seriously because it's all a lie. If future generations aren't fine, it won't be because of climate change. It will be because powerful people, who have figured out that fake emergencies give them unlimited control, have destroyed our way of life and standard of living because they want to bring the entire world down to a third-world level of bare subsistence. Every one of their doom-and-gloom predictions has failed to come true. Remember when Obama said that the glaciers in Glacier National Park would be melted by 2020? Still there, big as ever. The National Parks Service actually had a sign with that prediction up at the overlook, then they quietly removed it. Alleged climate change is the biggest power grab in history. Stop giving in to manufactured fear.
yeah we're at 2.2C above 1770 norm already, but we got very fortunate and it winds up we still have more then 5 million square km of ice in the artic pole so we wont have immediate societal collapse. So we will live beyond 2026 but 2027 to 2028 are very real societal collapse points. Oh well, "they were the best of times and they were the worst of times". Now is great time to achieve spiritual realization. Everybodies life is a life and death scenerio. It's just the story and terrain our lives play out on.
Very ignorant comment. You're possibly picking a 5 or 10 year period and generalising. 2030 to 2035 might have the same amount of snow.
What we know for certain is the Heat Islands effect reduces the chance of frosts and snow in heavily built up urban areas and surrounds.
I think that all of this is a huge underestimate and that the arctic methane release will come a lot sooner than predicted.
Agreed
Every climate prediction has been underestimated.
You do know that CH4 oxidises rapidly into H20 and CO2 when it is released into the atmosphere?
They should pump it out to supply Methane industry
@@carleddison7479 Sure if you call a dozen years rapid. What could a dozen years of a potent greenhouse gas like Methane do?
Well... good thing CO2 and Water Vapor aren't green house gasses.
my childhood bedroom faced permafrost mountains and over the years ive had to watch them melt over time and now it just rains in the winter :( i loved winter and snow but now winter is just sad bc of how much it rains. spring used to make me sad when the snow melted late march/april but now its nov/dec and theres only rain and hardly snow the rest of winter, heartbreaking really
Yeah and in a few decades it will change back weather happens in cycles not just seasons
Where I am, we're getting heavy rains in late winter and flooding is getting worse and more frequent. Trees soak up summer rains but that's not happening in February and March.
That's sad that our Earth is dieing in front of our eyes.
@@merleshand2442 what bearing does what you say have on this discussion? Weather cycles overlay broader general climactic conditions. In the grand scheme, local weather is immaterial. It is the global climate trend that matters. Because the planetary climate is a dynamic, chaotic system, the energy of which increases as a function of increased heat retention, unexpected events will become the norm.
@@briandbeaudin9166 Not really. The interactions are far more complex and nuanced, and we're still learning new things about them.
I'm with William Rees and Nate Hagens here. Overshoot is the problem. Climate change is a symptom of the cheap energy we've had to exploit the planet. The best way to mitigate seems to be to get off of our addiction to growth. If we stopped plowing excess of CO2 could be drawn down within a couple of years with same or better foodproduction.. See UN report on soil. No need for technical solutions, which anyway comes from the worldview that got us into this predicament. As another commentator wrote: "economy comes before ecology"..."Ecology" being externalized in economic thinking. etc etc etc etc
"We" have been aware of the problem and the steps we need to take to avoid serious consequences for decades. We've also known that the longer we procrastinate, the more drastic measures needed would become. And, so far, we've done nowhere near what is needed. That's a trend I expect to continue until seriously dire results are unavoidable.
sadly its near 100% certain that this is how it will play out, capitalism trumps over everything.
@@MrDisgruntledGamer1 capitalism pulled billions of people out of poverty.
@@RichardMiller-tq6ut maybe the capitalism of 50 years ago, this is capitalism on overdrive, nothing, and i mean nothing, matters other than exponential profits. Not even your measly pathetic life, otherwise youd have free speedy healthcare, great transportation, and would sleep for once instead of living at your job earning the same wage you where earning 5 years ago.
@@MrDisgruntledGamer1 I have all of these things.
We can recycle plastic and take the bus all we want, at the end of the day its the top 1% corporations pushing us towards extinction. "We" can't do much more than hold them accountable or wait to die.
It always seems like scientists isolate events. You look at melting then make predictions that things don't get bad for decades. This allows people to ignore it. But you don't take in the entire picture. The storms, floods, fires, and droughts already have gotten much worse. Add to the three additional children PER SECOND, and eight billion people already here and then do the math. Then you have every city on the planet using the same resources. Cities use the same cars, computers, clothing, housing, roads, factories, stores, etc.
Not only is permafrost melting, but so is ice all over the world. Rising seas will destroy coastal civilizations. Droughts will cause the end of agriculture. Fires will destroy everything in it's path. Floods have become insane. So it's time to calculate all of these effects when doing a video like this. Otherwise you isolate the issue into something that only exists as an abstract.
Habitat overshoot and the effects of climate change should be discussed more considering these facts. This isn't happening in decades in the future. This is happening right now.
Omg 😳 love this comment
You're not wrong, but that kind of whole information causes some people to panic and others to scoff and ignore any further information. We need reasonable thought and response to these crises.
@@kittimcconnell2633 absorb
@@kittimcconnell2633 absolutely
@@kittimcconnell2633 in fact, no many people has seen the geologist and geophysicist Elizaveta Khromova associated with Creative Society, on the first 30 minutes video 'our survival is in unity'
My 6th grade science teacher taught us about "tipping points" in 1973. And remember the "energy crisis" around that time? We have known we needed to get off of fossil fuels for a very long time, and we didnt do it. Too late now, friends. Too late. Buckle up because it's going to be a crazy ride from now on.
I know. This is already too late. We are all in trouble.
WOW, I was a kid in 1973 and recall a neighbors kid telling me the news about the earth warming "he said it was the sun, but I knew he was not telling me the truth" Can you tell me what school you went to?
@allan339 We could do many things. But let's stay real and ask: What have we done so far at all? Not that much really.
feels great
@@LK-pc4sq I went to a Public School In PA.
So many of these tipping point events remind me of a slow plumbing leak. It *seems* like just a few drops here and there, but when you put a bucket under it, you realize that you're losing gallons of water daily. Of course, a plumbing leak can be fixed fairly easily.....
I said the same thing about immigration 30 years ago
Relative to the cost of doing nothing, so can climate change.
But of course, to do so democratically depends on a small majority of human beings being both reasonably intelligent and halfway decent. The rank falsity of this, of course, is precisely what's brought us to this point.
Interesting. I also consider the possible sublimation of methane calcites to be equivalent to the leaky water main running outside your house bursting.
You can't solve a climate problem that doesn't exist. It's a scam.
You should watch serious videos... they'll portrait a very different reality...
What if it's was all a scam?
This (permafrost melting) and methane hydrate is why Don't Look Up was made, we have functionally passed the tipping point, we would have to stop all human emissions today in order to avoid this tipping point. This mechanism (co2 induced frozen methane release) caused the Permian Extinction. It's absolutely stunning what we've set in motion for future generations.
What future generations?
@@philipm3173 valid.
Even if we stopped all human CO2 and methane emissions *right now,* we've already set into motion a shift in global climate to at least 2'C, if not more. That's already begun, and it can't be taken back. All we can do is not make it worse.
@@DeborahRosen99 only 2c with close to 2 trillion tons of methane melting? lol, I wish I had your optimism. I expect 2c by 2035, and up to 5c total shift UNLESS the AMOC shuts down and refreezes the polar methane stores. But is the AMOC shutting down really a good thing? No, but sadly, that's our best case scenario. We could EASILY outpace the GAT change that caused the Permian Extinction.
As the corporatist powers that be are aware, we’re in the midst of a polycrisis - multiple existential crises that spell certain doom for a large percentage of the global human population and most other life on the planet - any one of which is extremely problematic, but taken together serve as an indictment of those same people’s political influence, wanton greed and exorbitant lifestyle. It’s not left versus right anymore, if ever it was. It’s top versus bottom, and it’s high time to rise up or give up.
This whole idea of blowing past one tipping point after another somehow reminds me of my favorite quote from Douglas Adams: "I just love deadlines, and the *whoosing* noise they make is they go past."
Just replace "deadlines" with "tipping points."
Not even close to a tipping point. 2 million years ago the average temp was 11 to 19 C on average warmer than today...no tipping point...and we entered the Ice Ages after it th-cam.com/video/P57N9p-8NdI/w-d-xo.html
The bigger issue is the laptev sea, the methane there is thawing extremely fast.
Who cares really , stop worrying about things you cant change just enjoy the time you have left .
There's always more factors at play in natural systems than we know. These changes will likely happen faster than even expert models upper projections.
They also didn't even mention methane hydrate, which has just as much methane to release.
@@Pistolita221 also didn't mention undersea methane just off-shore in the Arctic, also already melting/bubbling up.
We're past the point of no return. We're toast. The lack fo glboal agreement ot abandon fossil fuels (and that's EU too!), we're looking at a mass extinction. It's insane that we didn't start 40 years ago aggressively, but... People are stupid.
If there are more factors at play than we understand, that doesn’t necessarily mean that all of them point towards faster warming.
We selectively hear the news about the things that surprise us with faster warming because the alternative doesn’t get published in the popular media.
You could still be right, but it’s a form of biased thinking to think that because we often hear about “faster than expected” surprises that this means that everything in climatology goes faster than expected.
@Scott I see you posting a lot about your FEELINGS but this is a scientific matter not picking your favorite color so unfortunately your feelings don't matter
It happens slowly, then all at once.
We passed that point long ago
Pass the perverted sex and sin of negro and catholic bigot racist hate groups
Are you available for an interview?
When I was little, I remember the highest temperature in east China Summer was 28C, now can reach to 48C. What's 20C increase in 40 years. Look at Toronto, Canada this Winter, comparing to 20 years ago, at least 10C increase.
Right?! I think temps are warming a lot faster than the scientists are claiming.
sources used to reach those numbers?
How do you know it isn't thermomotor manipulation to make the temperature seem higher?
@@nogreatreset8506 You know that the rockefellers started BP, Shell, Chevron, Exxonmobil, AMOCO and ARAMCO, right?And the XX in ExxonMobil is the templar's cross. You're literally defending the WEF's interests. WAKE THE F UP!!!
Yes, and since you posted that 52.2C recorded in China
It's seems clear enough that the two major threats to our survival are greed and ignorance.
and apathy.. People JUST don't care... toooooo busy playing video games and multiple other DISTRACTIONS vs DEALING with the real issues of life.. ho hum...
What about the fact that this has happened multiple times before humans ever learned how to burn fossil fuels? We have not had anything to do with this so-called climate change it's a 100% natural process the earth goes through. We're technically still in a glacial period, there are glaciers on mountains still.
@@rickx1621 ...and violent arguments or threats from the deniers of global warming. The narrative or arguments of deniers are almost always backed up by the police, soldiers, armies of lawyers, bankers and their. politicians.
@@rickx1621 If you spent 10 minutes doing research you would know this is a scam.
Yes, ignorance on your part. Anyone who thinks we can stop burning fossil fuel any time in the medium future is extremely ignorant. Trying to do this now or in the medium future would lead to billions of deaths.
I was just in Alaska to see the glaciers. In Denali National Park some of the roads are closed because the permafrost under them melted and the roads have slumped.
I grew up in Toronto in the 90s. The difference in winter then and now is basically night and day. It's the middle of winter as I'm posting this. Yesterday was 15°C, which is closer to early-mid spring.
the poles are seeing the biggest changes in weather and climate.
It's been a very cold and snowy winter here in the Rockies in Colorado though. Weird.
@@subcummins0134 I definitely envy you, if it's that cold where you are. A few days passed since my OP. It's 3°C right now, which will reach to a high of 5.
Looks like no winter for me this year.
@@Rakshasa1986 It has been an epic winter here. I live high up in the mountains. Almost 150% snowpack. 35 nights below zero Fahrenheit where I live so far this winter and more to come. But even Denver had snow on the ground pretty much the entire month of January. One of their coldest too. I had a teams meeting with a guy just north of Ottawa Canada a couple weeks ago. He said he just had a bunch of snow and it was -40C. I guess it's warmed up quite a bit since then?
@@subcummins0134 Ottawa is further up north from Toronto (about 350km - or 218 miles). It's far enough away that they have their own weather.
I googled what the temperature for Ottawa was and it says it's currently -1°C. -40 to -1 is a massive swing. It definitely warmed up a lot.
We are in for a major El Nino event which means hotter temperatures and major fires. I expect vast portions of the forest biome to burn this summer. Fires in the carbon mat as the permafrost melts will also be an issue.
You forgot to mention that the permafrost extends under the arctic ocean. It is melting and releasing methane.
Yes it’s odd that it wasn’t mentioned especially considering that much of the coastal seas are shallow since it used to be land. What happens if the sea ice all melts?
As a scientist I have to tell you that everything is technologically possible, from 8K/14.4°F to 0K/0°F compared to pre-industrial levels. The question is what is politically and sociologically feasible. (and no, we wouldn't need to live like in the 1800s to keep global warming at 0K/0°F)
It is impossible when you have bible-based leaders who opposed anything scientific that contradicts their bible
@@reee_4067
more the voters that elects them that is the problem, the leaders are just punching bags but punching them doesn't actually do anything.
until the masses stop believing in bullshit, nothing will happen. i see no change in voters positions, most are ignorant and/or lazy.
humans love, ever so much, to self-destruct.
An actual "scientist" would have qualified their expertise (which, for any given scientist, is _extremely_ narrow).
You have not.
The issues related to sea level rise have not yet been considered in the equation. 4 feet of sea level rise submerges totally the Florida Keys, but according to some authorities 18 inches will make Miami International Airport non functional ( It was built in an area once considered Everglades which was drained ) The last time all ice melted , except for islands that make up the Lake Wales Ridge, all of Florida south of the Gainesville area was underwater. The last time all global ice melted sea level was at least 100 feet higher. My highly respected professor of Environmental Science had told me 20 years ago that if PPM atmospheric CO2 levels rose above around 360, our goose was “cooked”. Well, it is now over 400 and still rising. The big question is how fast will the melting affect ice stability in Antarctica. The fracturing of the Thwaites ice shelf will raise sea level almost immediately an estimated 4 feet.
Today's levels of CO2 are 426.69 .
That was a well researched and presented video. Short enough that hopefully people’s limited attention spans will watch it, and maybe make cause people to make some slight changes to how they live to avoid their grandchildren from living in a near uninhabitable world.
Thanks! What else would you like to see episodes about on this channel?
@@pbsterra it’d be interesting to learn about Earth’s vibrational frequency.. and the geomagnetic field
@@pbsterra I would love an episode (though it may be too controversial) about how to have a discussion with a friend or family member who doesn’t think that climate change is a big deal. Finding a way to have a respectful dialogue about climate change and getting people we know to care would be helpful.
I hear this so often from friends. “You’re overreacting.” Or “Prove it.” Or “Here’s a contradiction proving that there isn’t a climate crisis.” I think change begins at home, and if we can explain this crisis to our parents and our friends that leads to actual change, that will turn into a big change that could help us all.
Waiting for the UN to fix things, or large corporations has clearly not worked. We have to make millions of small changes, and educating those around us seems the best (but challenging) way to start.
but by some of the worst offenders this is a Chinese conspiracy and not a real thing
@@tobybartlett anyone still in denial at this point is likely incapable of independent thought and will likely just echo whatever political and corporate climate denial propaganda until the end, but good luck though its worth a try.
I recommend the documentary Pleistocene Park. It follows a man and his family in Russia, who run a wildlife park with the goal of restoring an animal population similar to the one that has historically lived in the Siberian steppe. These animals help regulate the environment by keeping the brush low, which lowers the temperature of the ground.
I assume you are referring to the great work of Professor Sergey Zimov and his son Nikita. It is astonishing how little they are listened to. It stays small until it's too late. And in fact, it is already too late. His proven effect of grazing snowy tundra can only save the world when his practice is applied on a massive scale. That means forming herds of many millions of large grazers such as bison. Those numbers are no longer there.
The question is not how many mammoth tusks that we will find but rather how many human skeletons that some future species will find as a consequence of our own selfishness and complacency.
Just found this channel and I'm impressed by what I've seen up to this video.
Maybe you will be more impressed if you look at
a) from a biologist Guy Mc Pherson Nature bats last at the edge of extinction only love remains
b) from a geologist and geophysicist Elizaveta Khromova associated with Creative Society the first 30 minutes of the video 'our survival is in unity'
I don't believe any data released by any government, only trust myself. I've been watching the temperature change in the past 30 years very closely, because I don't like hot weather. I was forced to move from Singapore to Canada because my body can't take that heat all year around. That's why I remember these change very clearly.
dont expect any body to trust your conclusions... you have no data to back it up
I understand your mistrust, but most scientific data is not "released by governments", it is thousands of researchers in thousands of universities all iver the world, from small ones to big ones, from public funded to corporate funded. That's why science is still something we can mostly trust, because data comes from a large wealth of research from so many different sources, mostly not politically driven or influenced.
"I don't believe any data" is a really bizarre way to preface an empirical claim.
Great video. Thinking that this type of catastrophic warming is far in the future is short sighted. The thing that is impossible to predict are the wildcards. Things outside of our control that amplify the warming, even if only temporarily. As an example, the underwater Tonga Eruption. Something like this could be the temporary catalyst that kicks starts the domino chain.
Has it ever been this warm before?
@@RichardMiller-tq6ut Oh it's been way warmer. But not during the period humans, or the food we eat was evolving.
Those dominoes have already begun to fall. That became inevitable when we exceeded 350 ppm of atmospheric CO² (in the mid 90's.)
@@RichardMiller-tq6ut not while humans existed
@@ripzzzz the chances of that happening in the next thousand years are vanishingly small.
NOW FOR THE GOOD NEWS:
Active research in seasonal thermal insulation for northern permafrost regions have been underway since the early 2000's, and there is much potential for slowing down the heat transfer towards these carbon-dense permafrost regions, thus ultimately buying more time to fight climate change.
It's not a long way into the future. Everything is happening faster than predicted, no reason to expect this to be different
I hate to mention this, but I first read about the temp increases in the subsoil permfrost in the soil journals in the 90s.
Haha, this question was answered 13 years ago. We're 13 years past the tipping point. Good luck, everyone
We've got 8 billion people demanding huge amounts of energy. If the energy from fossil fuels gets cut off people suffer & the economy plummets. In fact, even if the economy doesn't grown by over 2% that's a problem. So they keep burning fossil fuels. If we made a move to hydrogen it would eliminate greenhouse gas emissions but it's expensive, so the overall economy would plummet. We're in a tough spot folks.
Tipping point. By the way, I have difficulty communicating because I had a stroke in Broca’s area, the part of the brain that controls speech. 2/8/2021 but I lived again. (My wife helped me compose this.)
The permafrost is releasing serious amounts of methane. The Paris agreement goals are history. We should be preparing for major flooding of coastal areas, mass migration and economic instability ahead
I paddled the Mackenzie R. in N. Canada from the Great Slave L. to the Arctic ocean and saw thawing permafrost in many places along the shore and further inland away from the river. If we don't start taking CO2 emissions seriously in the developed countries, it could be game over for life as we know it.
You did? That sounds like an amazing trip. I've dreamed of doing it for a long time after paddling whitewater on the Slave River near Fort Smith. I have questions. Send me a DM? Trip@BalanceMedia.tv
The game is already over. We lost. Climate change is inevitable
I think plants love the co2. They seem to enjoy warmth as well
@@volkerengels5298 too much for what?
@@volkerengels5298 too much co2 to be good for plants? Wow. Greenhouse owners are wasting millions on pumping more into their greenhouses. Better tell them so they quit wasting all that money. Also, surely you can find better indoctrination than that. I understand why you are resistant to independent thought
As long as America has a huge group of science deniers, forward progress in America is going to be difficult. Couple that with capitalism that cares more about today and tomorrow than 40 years off, well it's going to be a shit show unfortunately.
Money owns the government and news, and the government sets education standards. There is no path to resolving this issue.
We were taught in school about the permafrost tipping points and that was in the 80’s.
I think it's a done deal. My simplistic analogy is: I'm on the Titanic a bit after the iceberg. Just been down to third class where people are starting die. Go up the first class (US) and the talk is this really true with all the silly talk of "are we really sinking". Talk is a trip they wanta take, buying a new car or as I listened to short time ago "my compost". I heard a guy say "weather is weird". No shit Charley. All the "we could do", we should do", etc is simply a waste of time. Sometimes reality is a bitch but that doesn't change it.
Not even close to a tipping point. 2 million years ago the average temp was 11 to 19 C on average warmer than today...no tipping point...and we entered the Ice Ages after it th-cam.com/video/P57N9p-8NdI/w-d-xo.html
No mention of the methane hydrates frozen on the ocean floor?
I’m gonna be honest I can barely listen to these sorts of videos anymore because it’s just so overwhelmingly depressing and the issue seems insurmountable with how governments around the world are refusing to actually get serious about it.
Gosh im with you on that. I could only stomach 5 minutes. Not that I dont want to know of course but the thing is I know this already. I knew about permafrost locked carbon since 2017. And the fact that it just gets worse. Its so hard to think about the future right now without giving into despair.
Data proves that humanity has never been safer, healthier or more prosperous than at any time in history, by any measurement you care to examine. This trend has never been interrupted. When glaciers melted 10,000 years ago they released more methane than today. The entire northern hemisphere was under mile thick ice. Humans without an ounce of technology survived fine.
@@rorqualdesertico8193 To end your despair stop listening to wild hyperbolic speculations of future events that never materialize and start paying attention to the data of actual events that have transpired. The data proves we are safe.
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" The data proves we are safe ". What data?
@@anthonymorris5084 That's the attitude the has gotten us to the point of major self destruction.. Our planet will NOT support humans that destroy the forests, pollute the air and oceans & rivers, and play computer GAMES as distractions and NEVER... no NEVER deal with life's real issues.. better to be involved with virtual reality & AI robots to "fuck" instead of dealing with REAL relationships... Humans have reached a HIGH POINT OF STUPIDITY. We will NOT survive this. The geologists that predict humanity could be EXTINCT in as little as TEN YEARS are conservative... Human actions are completely irresponsible & the leaders are all liars talking but not taking action to make our world STAY inhabitable... It SUCKS that there are sooooo many fools.
February 2023. 29° C. 84°F this afternoon in southwestern Mexico. We had an unusual warm period in January.
It was 50 in michigan today.
Your yellow line took an optimistic leveling off trend. I think that line needs to stay steep, or steeper, to accurately portray the reality.
The government is virtually helpless to address the problems of the weather and geologic disasters...All they are able to do is talk... This global situation is escalating on the downward spiral...
We can see, but we're helpless to prevent it....May God have mercy on mankind 🙏☝️...
It's like having a chicken in your freezer. You take the chicken out and let it defrost on the counter and you go away for the weekend, but then you forgot about the chicken left on the counter. When you come home, the chicken has decomposed and the whole house smells.
You're very right, it's the circle of life. The food we eat used to be a plant that grew in dirt. The dirt used to be a plant or animal before it decomposed. When you freeze the chicken you stop the circle of life and eventually all the dirt (aka: CO2) is used up and then nothing can grow. Don't take my word for it, check out how close we came to 150ppm of CO2. It's not good.
"... would have continued to decline until CO2 approached the threshold of 150 ppm below which plants begin first to starve, then stop growing altogether, and then die. Not just woody plants but all plants. This would bring about the extinction of most, if not all, terrestrial species, as animals, insects, and other invertebrates starved for lack of food. And that would be that. The human species would never have existed. This was merely the first time that there was a distinct possibility that life would come close to extinguishing itself due to a shortage of CO2."
@@patusoro4781 Ha well someone has to play the contrarian.. but we're not at risk of running low on CO2 so your post is fairly moot.
Great video as always. Interesting if not depressing and you guys always do a great job.
Side note: Maiya I love how you have a different hair style in every video lol. You always look great!
HAHA thanks! Gotta keep you guys on your toes 🕺🏽😂
I mean, spoilers, but we're loooong past the Arctic Permafrost tipping point. Following a sigmoid curve, it takes about 40 years to see 70% of the effect that emissions will have in their 1000-year lifetime.
In other words, temperature changes lag behind atmospheric changes by between several decades and several centuries. In other words, the warming we see today is more attributable to emissions made in the 1980s than it is to today's emissions. Oh well, we had a good run.
I dunno if froid was an atmospheric physicist haha
The "methane of they're under water" at 3:12 is incorrect. If there's insufficient oxygen (under water) the anaerobic bacteria combine the carbon into 50% CH4 and 50% CO2, not into pure CH4, like this: 2*C + 2*H2O = CH4 + CO2.
That being said, once we lose the Arctic summer ice in the next year or so, it’ll be game over for us puny humans. We’ve already crossed the critical tipping points.
Is what is saying the biologist Guy Mc Pherson Nature bats at the edge of extinction only love remains
but is more stunning what the geologist and geophysicist Elizaveta Khromova associated with Creative Society is telling us on the first 30 minutes video 'our survival is in unity'
lose the artic ice in the next year or so... ROTFLMAO!!!!
@@iamdone7094 enjoy while you can😉
@@michaelmasse4880 you are a fraud... like al gore telling us the ice would be gone 10 years ago
Since warming in the Arctic is happening a few times as rapidly as global average, 3-4 degrees increase is baked in. When the northern ice cap disappears, which it might rather suddenly in near future due to loss of stratification, permafrost demise is a done deal.
From what I understand about a "tipping point" is, things happen very quickly and unexpectedly. To calculate all of the variables involved seems unrealistic. This is frightening stuff! I wonder if anybody is (really) listening? We have settled into a rhythm of deep and comfortable greed, and we are not likely to escape it. Like an old cigarette commercial said, "I`d rather fight than switch". IF THE OCEAN TEMPERATURE RISES THREE MORE DEGREES, WALKS IN CENTRAL PARK WILL BECOME JUST MEMORIES.
I think that if we thought the tobacco industry crowd was a bad actor
in the proliferation of cancer and lung disease,
then we ain't seen nothin yet as far as the zombie fuel industry is concerned,
and the effects that crowd will have on human health.
but that's okay right? cuz profits and jobs are what is important...
The sad problem is the petro companies are not going to stop drilling until the wells are dry, and their money is going to block all political and legal actions until that happens. That's why UAE oil CEO is running COP 28.
Isn't this old news? I remember seeing footage of massive areas in Alaska where the trees are collapsing on themselves because of permafrost warming up at least five years ago. Seem to recall 60 Minutes perhaps or one of those weekly new shows.
the problem isn't really new, this just documents how it's continuing to happen and its acceleration.
It is only new if you haven't been paying attention
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she mentioned in the video that this tipping point was identified years ago but was discarded as illegitimate until more recently.
Solar power is the best solution. But USA put up to 200% tax on solar panels from outside nations and they are almost all made outside. To ensure that ALL solar panels are stifled, Biden extended the taxes to solar panels made in Southeast Asia, aka Malaysia and Vietnam, and not just China. The policy originated with Obama, at a time when the USA should have been jumpstarting solar worldwide. Instead it strangled solar production and we are short hundreds of gigawatts of what would have been clean energy replacing coal and gas. Hundreds of power plants.
We have likely already hit "tipping points" years or even decades ago and dont even realize what we are seeing in real time. The chart at 0:30 is showing feedbacks of temperature change. Why are we only focused on what we are doing in the last 20 years? Something definitely changed in the early 1900's and continued until 1950's, the down turn is likely the feedback, then progressing. WWI, WWII production? The testing of nuclear bombs? The permafrost was already melting at the turn of the century 1900, so did it release enormous amounts of methane?
I really love the voice of the presenter, could listen to her talk all day! Great Video, really intersting
No mention of the Methane Hydrates on the floor of the Arctic Ocean?
No mention of bubble gun under train seats? Your turn again.
Have they accounted for when this permafrost melts, that plants and trees will grow here? How much will that offset the carbon released?
Not enough, there is thousands of years of threes, grass and animals in that permafrost, so it would take an equal amount of time to make it again.
The permafrost is already starting to thaw which is releasing more greenhouses whichs feeds the whole cycle.
The term "positive" feedback sounds ... positive, but often isn't, that's why many prefer the terms "reinforcing" feedback and "balancing" feedback, instead of positive and negative.
Might have been worth mentioning the methane hydrates that are melting under the actic ocean.
Given how enthusiastic the world's governments have been to address climate change in a meaningful and effective way... we're toast.
love how the temperature increase animation starts in the Victorian era cold period, remember the Romans grew grapes in Norfolk.
I wonder if the countless giggatons of carbon being released from record breaking warm oceans were properly factored into all climate models.
If you will be alive after 2050. I feel sorry for you. We knew this was going to happen and we failed to do enough to stop it.
That’s me, most likely. Yeah, this is not acceptable. I finally learned that there are people I can annoy to help this not happen, and now I’m starting some carefully planned annoying of people. Hopefully it will turn into change.
@@gingerpickett6958 i hope so Ginger
@@gingerpickett6958 change will happen regardless
@@RichardMiller-tq6ut That’s true, but we can slow it down and limit the warming to a level that we will eventually be able to reverse if necessary
@@gingerpickett6958 that is very presumptuous. Altering the weather will have devastating consequences. Altering the climate will have consequences beyond devastating. Imagine meddling with such a thing that no one on earth understands
so this thawing is a self-reinforcing feedback loop. EDIT: LOL i know i should have waited to comment, Maiya say this at 10:25
Unfortunately, there are now many people and countries that want global warming because they can profit because northern areas can be opened up for oil and other mining that was not available before. New farmlands will be open in the northern areas which is more profits for those who were frozen before. And those areas that are flooded or become deserts is their tough luck. As long as there is profit in global warming that is the direction humanity will go. Profit first, the world and humanity a distant second... Yeah, more woolly mammoth tusks, profit, profit, profit...
Appreciate the presentation. Not the music.
Are there any carbon and Methan catching technologies or reseach that captures these gases and to use for energy sources?
I hear this global warming garbage so much it's so easy to just neglect it. Not saying an issue doesn't exist but it's hard to grasp the facts out of all the noise. This video is a good step in the right direction.
Thanks! That's a lovely complement.
I don’t understand why you use. The temperature of 1.1 degrees.? In Paul Beckwith reading Nd interpretation of the weekly scientific reports. ve passed 1.5 degrees. So what is your baseline temperature?
bye bye humans
Things are so far gone with climate change I'm not even sure why we make stories like this. Its too late. We had our chance and our leaders and corporations continue to put profits over human existence. Live it up while you can.
The winters in massachusetts have been nice 👌
We need the next version of GPT Chat to help solve this !!!
Remember when pollution was going to create a great polar desert across the northern hemisphere? Those were the good old days.
Waiting for the palm trees on lake Michigan
The most important part of this video is at 3:00
Make sure you lookup and understand what this means. This difference between global average and Arctic Amplification will continue to increase until warming reaches it's limit.
There used to be monkeys and alligators in Ellesmere Island some 50 million years ago. But the warming back then happened at least 10 times slower than the current rate.
In all exponential curves it starts slow and speeds up.
The curve is already happening. It has already been triggers.
Try to remember that there isn't supposed to be green forests growing there.
I think we might find our own skeletons if we do but here in America we have a sizable population that will do without proper healthcare so that they don’t have to help contribute to the healthcare of anyone else and so I think we have to change their minds because they are already willing to die for their ideology these changes cannot be left to the individual the impact we can make as a society through legislation is so much more powerful and defaults to caution rather than allowing people who may already be on the financial verge of disaster and expecting them to choose life in the future As less virtuous than convenience today
So let me get this straight, there are fossilized plants and animals frozen in this permafrost from some time since the last interglacial warm period. Doesn't that mean the was a time it wasn't frozen? If it had thawed then, why will it be so bad this time? Plus, it will only melt when the surface temperature is above freezing. So it could take hundreds to thousands of years to melt and so spread out the release of these greenhouse gasses.
The first tipping point was tipped at 0.5C warming around 1980! We only require one tipping point to make all the so called tipping points to fall like a huge set of dominoes one after the other. So it’s abrupt and irreversible from the first tip of course. Also there has been no reduction of making stuff so emissions of greenhouse gases keep on climbing infinitely! How on Earth can you say it’s reversible as we have had no control since the 1980’s due to the first tip of 0.5C warming.
So many are pushing ‘hopeism’ instead of reality!
Do the temperature thresholds (for each permafrost melting level) are a the global or a the regional level? (Cause if it's at the regional level, given that warming is more intense around North pole, it feels like we are f***ed up...)
Is Minnesota similarly a bunch of these lakes?!
Although I'm here for all the great content PBS pushes out, I'm not gonna lie. Having Maiya as a host is a treat
How about natural fibers to package food? Like fish net style. Sounds cheap enough. And water bottles could really all just go out the window, a two tier tap water + good filter system is ideal anyhow (only one good filter in existence, brita elite) and has no microplastics. Frozen meat products you could probably easily package in any cheap biodegradable material that only is stable at frozen temps, like pretty much anything, with the added bonus you know it has not been unfrozen because then it would desintegrate. The fresh meat you could get cut from behind the counter instead of prepackaged.
The Animal with speech and a Working brain, does the most damage
Just 7 years from now 2030, the weather will be such a constant problem
Causing wide spread damage and repair costs, causing layoffs
Don't forget about food shortages, rice and wheat are already failing in China and India, and Russia likely won't reclaim the lost production of the war in Ukraine.
Not only is the thawing of the permafrost a tipping point as far as I am concerned, but when climatologists are now saying "climate boiling" I fear we have already passed that point of no return.
Well as long as they don't calculate it as a linear process: and at the pascals triangle rate; you will get a truer numbers.
And no Scieeeeentist agrres with you. Poor You!
What we know already is that we are in the midst of abrupt, irreversable climate change and the sixth major, and most probably, the final and total extinction of life on earth. The sheer rapidity of this phenomenon is clearly beyond the ability of most of us to understand. As the geometric rate of change accelerates, so shall the experience of shock to be felt by each of the final living humans.
Herschel Island is in Yukon, Canada.
It's not just fuel that we get from fossil fuels, we get also materials. Stop fossil fuels exploration it's a huge material science challenge.
Without fossil fuels everything collapses. No combination of alternative fuels can replace it. We needed to act back in the 70s to get off of them.
Great video! Your climate change videos should be part of school science lessons and should be mandatory for congress to watch. Good job!
Agreed. And then tell the children in the school to work and study hard for their great future. Errm....
Idealism vs realism in this situation makes me believe that people just are NOT going to do enough in time to change or slow anything. I think people need to of course keep trying to do better but also making preparations to move away from coastlines that are projected to go under water. Governments to prepare to resettle people inland. Ensure water supplies. Tons of investment on indoor food growing, electric grid growth, more solar and wind power so we can be ready for both very hot or a sudden shift to very cold etc. We need to start getting ready to survive a changing world w the hope ppl change but prepare for the worst. If we prepare to live in a much hotter world that will be immediately followed by a freezing world then we will survive w minimal crisis. We just need to start preparing now and on a large scale.
The only way the energy transition will happen is if renewable energy sources become genuinely (no subsidies) cheaper than fossil fuels and widely available. We could be reaching a point like this now and if the price trend of renewables continues, there could be exponential adoption of renewables leading to less emissions than expected, simply because it would be cheaper for companies to produce with renewables. A key point is of course the dumbest of all, which is permitting. Are we really going to exterminate human kind because of red tape?
You know fossile fuels in the US is subsidized?
When it comes to tipping points this is what the IPCC (Special Report on implications of 1.5C or more warming, Chapter 3) says:“there is little evidence for a tipping point in the transition from perennial to seasonal ice cover. No evidence has been found for irreversibility or tipping points, suggesting that year-round sea ice will return given a suitable climate”. The IPCC also do not believe the melting of the arctic permafrost will cause a tipping point in the release of warming methane gas “the carbon released to the atmosphere from thawing permafrost is projected to be restricted to 0.09-0.19 Gt C yr-1 at 2°C of global warming and to 0.08-0.16 Gt C yr-1 at 1.5°C, which does not indicate a tipping point”.
The Earth's climate is a multi input thermodynamic system and will conform to Le Chatelier's Principle.
By the time CO2 had reached 350ppm it was already too late to stop Arctic circle warming. The climate baton had already been passed to CH4, which is, as is well known, a far more volatile catalist in atmospheric heating. The amount of CH4 escaping from the permafrost is now unstoppable which is why the Arctic has warmed faster than any other region over the past several years. The rising CH4 in the atmosphere above the Arctic is causing the ever rising temperatures. The positive feedback loop is now way beyond any kind of control. It is already way too late. Add to that the vast amount of CH4 now escaping from warming methane hydrates beneath the oceans which now make the surface literally boil in many regions in every ocean. These are being warmed from beneath by rising mantle plumes and undersea volcanism. The evidence of this is the rising amount of deep quakes in the S pacific. In 2022 there was a Mag7 beneath Fiji and then a short while later a Mag 8 beneath Tonga followed by the most powerful explosive eruption occurred when Hunga Tonga-Hunga Ha'apai blew it's top. All around the ring of fire volcanism has ramped up. This is also happening beneath the west Antarctic ice sheet and east of Greenland. Even though CH4 has a much shorter volatile life than CO2 the massive amounts now being released will exacerbate the melting of permafrost.The recent wildfires across Siberia and Canada have added to the heating and also been assisted by pockets of CH4 that have ignited as they came into contact with the fires passing over.This is still happening in Siberia now. It is time for people to realize that stopping permafrost melting is now impossible and adaptation to the ever changing situation is paramount.
We broke the amazon's hydrology cycle and the AMOC is shutting down faster than anticipated, too. We screwed up, thanks Cheney. Iraq's oil was 100% worth it.