*The Lich King:* I am Arthas. I am lord of the dead. I am the imperator of ice. I am the paragon of pestilence. I am king of all you see befor- *The Black Knight:* I'M INVINCIBLE!
It could also just be the start of a contrl meta Maybe these cards don't work now but 2 sets later especially once the cancer sets leave these will help.
Yeah... the only deck that looks like it will be for sure strong is the control paladin with their death knight. That ability fits right in to a already fairly strong archetype that lacked good finishing power. I expect burn/control mage to still be king. Nothing was printed to tell me otherwise.
Deadscale kinight can actually be included in murloc shaman (structure similar with current murloc paladin) with the Windlord and ice fishing, and play a corpsetaker in turn 4 with Taunt, Lifesteal, Divine Shield, and Windfury
In a Hunter deck that deals with Death Rattle and Beasts, Arfus + play dead on turn 5 could start you getting those DK card to potentially swing the game or wreck the Mage with Anti Magic Shell that much sooner. if you can some how next turn have it around and any beast buff cards... Arfus may just be a hunter DKs best pet lol.
I wish Trump would properly explain if you don't run out of cards or need a combo. ANY cards you burn are the same as the cards on the button of your deck you wouldn't have drawn. It just switches around what you draw so it doesn't matter.
i gonna be testing a classical face hunter it seems the pieces are there to build it, to be at less good for the start of the expansion before everyone start putting the anti-aggro cards also big mid-range hunter seems pretty good with the lichking + hunter deathknight, this goona be interesting
Would Wicked Skeleton gain stats from a board clear via Doomsayer? Doomsayer activates at the start of your turn, so perhaps it would be pretty good in that setup
Shattered Sun Cleric saw no play, he said. Scarlet Crusader saw absolutely no play, he said. Someone needs to take a look at Reynad's original zoo list.
It should be mentioned that Arfus can be taken with Potion of Madness. As long as that's the case, I don't think the card will see much play. Should've been a 3/2.
Lich King can be kill by his own man, black knight, how ironic must it be to World of Warcraft that his own sword which grant him all the power kill him in the end
I would like some sort of draw manipulation card. I'm sick of drawing useless late game cards too early. Even if you have to give up a card slot to have the effect.
Christian Garza I was looking at it as a midge control card (late game for everyone else) imagine u drop this on turn 5 or 6 n it doesn't really matter witch card u try except u really don't want death grip u will control the rest of the game if it sticks
6:00 So how does Frostmourne work? Do YOU summon them on your side? Or do you summon them back on their side? Because for a 7 mana deathknight card I sure as hell don't want some shitty effect
I like this set, I think Blizzard finally understood how OP the low cost card have been and that the late game cards needs to be alot stronger, when the sets before this rotates out (And Blizzard not adding too much new BS early game shit) I might start playing again and not just watch!
Torbjörn Lindholm dude, u do realize that it is pretty cheap to create extra TH-cam accounts to promote your channel? One can see that the other channels only subscribed to you and each other. What a coincidence.
It would be broken. Arfus is good right now, as is. A 4 mana 2/2 draw a card is bad, but as trump mentioned, Death Knight cards are roughly equal to dream cards -- and dream cards are mostly better than any cards that are in the set. A 4 mana 7/6, a 2 mana 3/4 with spell immunity, a 0 mana +5/+5 or 0 mana 5 damage AoE... Draw any of these, and you're a happy man. Death Knight cards are better than ''draw a card'' in most, if not all, scenarios. I could see some people running aggro Arfus to try and highroll army of the dead to push for the final bits of damage.
I doubt it would have been broken but I guess we might see a glimpse of such a scenario with the "Build a beast" heropower. The other suggestion I would have for Arfus is that it stays as a 4 mana 2/2, but has charge. It would still be slow, but at least you could get the card out much faster. A charging Arfus would also be possible with the "Build a beast" heropower, but since stonetusk boar costs 1 mana, it's total mana cost would be 5 and personally I'd say fuck that noise.
I feel like what they are doing is printing loads of filler cards with poor or fair stats so that a year from now, or even two years from now, we have a slow meta again, if they just constantly print cards like these. Like reverse powercreeping.
Hejira#2854 Blizzard always shows some of the highlights first. With a few exeptions, the worst, most boring filler cards are shown or released last. So it really isnt as bad as it might seem.
Problem is that lifesteal is only good in a general sense when you already have or are capable of taking back board control. It does not help in regaining board control since it directly impacts the stats of a minion, and if that minion doesn't have taunt, its just gonna be a bad minion. Might as well run earthen ring farseer or Voodo doctor or other similar minions instead of these lifesteal ones. They have the advantage of being able to heal other minions, as well as just being better in most cases for the same mana cost. See the crappy muloc 1 drop for an example of one of the worst possible lifesteal designs. Worse than tinyfin as a body, murlocs do not care about their own hero health, murlocs that are in a position where they do not have board control and need a 1/1 with lfiesteal have already lost the game. All of that makes it pretty garbage despite having the murloc tag. On the flip side, Obsidian Statue is hella OP for midrange/aggro matchups because of the high health, moderate attack, and most importantly, taunt. The problem is that many many lifesteal minions are lower cost minions with horrible stats for their cost
I think everyone is massively over rating the Lich King. Ysera had almost exclusively good results, Ysera awakens was kinda bad if you are ahead but you would just pocket it for if you started to fall behind. The Lich King is pretty much only going to see use in slow decks... which actually tend to hit fatigue a lot... and 2 of the cards can very quickly push you into fatigue with minimal gain. Army of the dead is basically only good in a deck with a lot more minions than spells. Anti Magic Shell is really expensive which results in it being kinda just okay. Doom Pact is worth it if you are desperate but may not actually end up saving you. Death Grip is about average. Obliterate is average. Its worth the downside but generally speaking, your deck should have enough removal that if you are needing this card, you are probably not doing to hot. Frostmourne, Death and Decay, and Death Coil are the only good cards. Absolutely no complaints here. Meanwhile Ysera's worst results are Laughing Sister, a well stated minion and Ysera Awakens, a card which if you are low could kill you but can often save your ass. Ysera awakens > Death and decay / Doom Pact most of the time. The Lich King has taunt which is a benefit in druid but in every other deck, effects like this you usually try to make stick around. The taunt makes it easier to deal with. Ysera also has way better stats than the lich king.
Most of these cards are really dissapointing, I feel like the fans know this game more then Blizzard does themselves. Its like Blizzard is just slapping random stats on these cards without checking them.
8:38 Did Jens edit out the answer to the question by accident or did he just ask the audience? It seems something is missing here. 11:25 I think he meant the new Bolvar, seeing as the old Bolvar is only in wild. Trump doesn't deal in wild.
I know this has been happening for a while, but I still get really, really disapointed when so many obviously unplayable and completely uninspired cards are printed.
Maybe we will see a troll priest who runs copy your opponents deck + that discard the top 5 cards and summon all creatures. Wouldn't that be a fun time?
As someone who has played MTG for over a decade, i can gaurantee you lifesteal will be a relevant mechanic. If it were undercosted it would be busted as hell. Minions that heal you, as neutrals? remember that rag lightlord is played EXCLUSIVELY because it heals you. Minion healing is incredibly powerful, especially in classes with buffs.
Everyone lifesteal is not brand new, it is in most other card games! The lifesteal cards are not easy to pull off, you have to attack with them! It seems like Hearthstone is like 3 years behind most of the other card games who have been using lifesteal mechanics for a long time now!
The enchanter is nice with that new warlock demon that deals 1 damage to the enemies minions at the end of your turn. Makes it deal 2, so it's like getting a freeze-less Blizzard at the end of your turn with the other downside of it costing more than 6 mana, but the plus side of potentially staying on the board for more than one turn which then makes it a sort of Flamestrike. :3 Oh yeah, there's also that 5 mana 4/4 that buffs all the minions in your hands at the end of your turn in Paladin, and Grimy Gadgeteer in Warrior. Those could be fun with the Enchanter. :3
On wretched tiller: isn't that explanation wrong? the text read whenever this minion attacks, without regards to the target, so that means if the minion attacks another minion, it will steal deal 2 damage to face, right? Which would mean that if you get at least one attack Wretched Tiller plays more or less like leper gnome (probably worse than that though since it can be destroyed by any deal one damage effect)
Control decks, nothing. I fully expect to see The Lich King in EVERY deck. Dr. 8 is just that good. (and yes, people tech'd in BGH just for Dr. Boom and they'll do the same here) But when you AMS the rest of your board the next turn or play out 5 big cards off the top...who cares about BGH.
What.. "Everything else isnt really worth it" What about Grimestreet enforcer? Or I could see myself comboing that with Ethereal arcanist as well... Not a very good combo I guess, but not too bad either. Say I got iceblock, I can play turn 7 Enchanceter and Ethereal Arcanist, meaning I get a 7/7 Ethereal Arcanist on board... 7mana 8/12 board. If both cards survive the next turn, then you suddenly have a 11/11 ethereal arcanist... Pretty likely for a 7/7 to survive a turn.
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*The Lich King:* I am Arthas. I am lord of the dead. I am the imperator of ice. I am the paragon of pestilence. I am king of all you see befor-
*The Black Knight:* I'M INVINCIBLE!
But if he's invincible, then how can you see him?
docterfantazmo I got the beast in my sights!
Rip BGH, press F to pay respects.
Because invincible =/= invisible
+Andor Farkas exactly lol
lich king + hadronox + the curator + primordial drake + stonehill defender + news druid cards = Taunt Druid new meta !
Thomas # I am a time traveler from the future, taunt druid is now everywhere, send help
Oh Jens, your editing imperfections complete you
New Neutal category
I love me some Neutal Cards with an added spice of Lih Kig.
Drakkari Enchanter + Imp Master. Get out of my way.
And you play it in priest so you can heal the imp master each turn. What was blizzard thinking printing such an OP combo?
This is a risky expansion. If the meta doesn't slow down, half the cards are invalidated.
It could also just be the start of a contrl meta
Maybe these cards don't work now but 2 sets later especially once the cancer sets leave these will help.
Yeah... the only deck that looks like it will be for sure strong is the control paladin with their death knight. That ability fits right in to a already fairly strong archetype that lacked good finishing power.
I expect burn/control mage to still be king. Nothing was printed to tell me otherwise.
Well Blizzard has always alternated a good expansion with a bad expansion.
Lifesteal was printed. Now the burn mage needs to spend more resources controlling the board.
Deadscale kinight can actually be included in murloc shaman (structure similar with current murloc paladin) with the Windlord and ice fishing, and play a corpsetaker in turn 4 with Taunt, Lifesteal, Divine Shield, and Windfury
furthermore, Tainted Zealot works pretty well with defile
Good work editing this jens
Tainted Zealot is amazing with Defile and arguably Spirit Lash.
Interesting comparison is that Wretched Tiller is ALMOST a direct upgrade to nerfed Small-Time Buccaneer.
In a Hunter deck that deals with Death Rattle and Beasts, Arfus + play dead on turn 5 could start you getting those DK card to potentially swing the game or wreck the Mage with Anti Magic Shell that much sooner. if you can some how next turn have it around and any beast buff cards... Arfus may just be a hunter DKs best pet lol.
I wish Trump would properly explain if you don't run out of cards or need a combo. ANY cards you burn are the same as the cards on the button of your deck you wouldn't have drawn. It just switches around what you draw so it doesn't matter.
Apparently there is a new class: Neutal
3:20 DIE/LIVE, INSECT, Grimestreet Enforcer, Ethereal Arcanist (4 mana 7/7), Primalfin Totem, Kabal Trafficker, Hogger, hell, even NETHER PORTAL and Healing Totem!
i gonna be testing a classical face hunter it seems the pieces are there to build it, to be at less good for the start of the expansion before everyone start putting the anti-aggro cards
also big mid-range hunter seems pretty good with the lichking + hunter deathknight, this goona be interesting
Trump.. the new priest card that costs 2 gives 1+1 at the end of turn
Wicked Skeleton works too well with Doomsayer to be dropped, I'm sure there will be a mage deck that can run it and gain some crazy tempo.
Would Wicked Skeleton gain stats from a board clear via Doomsayer? Doomsayer activates at the start of your turn, so perhaps it would be pretty good in that setup
Arfus: 4 mana 2/2. Battlecry: LET ME CHANGE YOUR MIND!
Remember that card that gives you a copy of their deck?
hold that when u mill yourself.
Now you have more shit to mill!
Welp, I guess I now have things to (not) look forward to when I play Evolve...
Shattered Sun Cleric saw no play, he said.
Scarlet Crusader saw absolutely no play, he said.
Someone needs to take a look at Reynad's original zoo list.
finally i can use my black knight that ive been tempted to dust
Drakkari Enchanter is good in wild with Emperor Thaurissan :)
It should be mentioned that Arfus can be taken with Potion of Madness. As long as that's the case, I don't think the card will see much play. Should've been a 3/2.
Lightn0x You don't face priest 100% of your games tho.
Ture, but I think if this card becomes popular priest will become more popular too.. it's just too good of a steal.
I think that was the wrong Bolvar Jens
You missed the entire point of that first one. It's a freaking Murloc, that lil shit will end up a 4/3 minion if you have a decent board set up.
Everyone raggin on the new murloc cards. Clearly nobody will use em but it just adds to the random lulz that Megafin throws into your hand
Lich King can be kill by his own man, black knight, how ironic must it be to World of Warcraft that his own sword which grant him all the power kill him in the end
Just asking, when is the madman going to make a DD video again? I'm craving that hour long insanity
I heard that melon man gave Death Grip a 10
Dr. Boom of the set? No way. What about the Troggzor :p
Barnes just got a HUGE buff
The Wretched Tiller doesnt have to attack face to activate its effect
0:47 McCree, is that you?
Drakkari Enchanter with dreadsteed??? IT MIGHT WORK THO XD
At 11:30 wrong Bolvar
10:37
What are you talking about? It's the neutral 4 mana 7/7!
I would like some sort of draw manipulation card. I'm sick of drawing useless late game cards too early. Even if you have to give up a card slot to have the effect.
11:25 Wrong Bolvar Jens, godammit
Lych king in Jade druid over 1 of the drakes? Ul be able to drop it way faster then most decks and get max value
You will not always get the buff card and Jade is getting hard countered this set.
Christian Garza I was looking at it as a midge control card (late game for everyone else) imagine u drop this on turn 5 or 6 n it doesn't really matter witch card u try except u really don't want death grip u will control the rest of the game if it sticks
*midgame.....but you are right about the hardcounter so eh
ill probably cut 1 primodial drake from my taunt warrior for the lich king
6:00 So how does Frostmourne work? Do YOU summon them on your side? Or do you summon them back on their side? Because for a 7 mana deathknight card I sure as hell don't want some shitty effect
Sans when triggered the deathrattle effect of the Frostmourne, you summon every minion who was killed by it.
Sans (in your side of the board, of course)
Neutal Cards?
??
Jacob Smith neutral is misspelled in the title
He misspelled it ;-;
spelling error in title
yeah you know, neutal cads, cads that we can use with evey classes
Finally, now where's my Overwatch set?
I like this set, I think Blizzard finally understood how OP the low cost card have been and that the late game cards needs to be alot stronger, when the sets before this rotates out (And Blizzard not adding too much new BS early game shit) I might start playing again and not just watch!
better start playing a bit now then (as F2P) or you won;t have any cards of this set once it gets better
how does a fisherman give spelldamage to anything ?
Cronos804 turn 1 minion turn 2 fisherman give the 1 cost minion spell damage but yeah still sucks
The Knight he means the logic
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Patros36 nothing goes over my head my reflexes are too fast i will catch it
Magical Crawdad
Finally, I am so excited to see the whole review with the star rating later, and see how good you are at rating them this time... xD
Torbjörn Lindholm dude, u do realize that it is pretty cheap to create extra TH-cam accounts to promote your channel? One can see that the other channels only subscribed to you and each other. What a coincidence.
Chal Fish Well, technically yes but I did it mainly to get likes. xD
Well I have a screenshot of another of your channels that commented here but u did deleate that comment shortly after I answered here didn't you?
hi torb daddy
m.imgur.com/gallery/IGDAgLY here is the proof ^^
"Arfus can fetch you" AHAHAHA
T H E P U N M A N
AND ARFUS SOUNDS LIKE ARTHAS ASGASFGAFGASGH
Ok, real talk, a Zombeast comprised of Arfus and the Snowflipper would be the most adorable undead to make.
It would also be a decent beast. If Arfus was a 3/3, it would have been a so much more favourable card.
It would be broken. Arfus is good right now, as is. A 4 mana 2/2 draw a card is bad, but as trump mentioned, Death Knight cards are roughly equal to dream cards -- and dream cards are mostly better than any cards that are in the set. A 4 mana 7/6, a 2 mana 3/4 with spell immunity, a 0 mana +5/+5 or 0 mana 5 damage AoE... Draw any of these, and you're a happy man. Death Knight cards are better than ''draw a card'' in most, if not all, scenarios. I could see some people running aggro Arfus to try and highroll army of the dead to push for the final bits of damage.
He also said they were 50/50 on it since some of the cards come with significant drawback. Go figure.
I doubt it would have been broken but I guess we might see a glimpse of such a scenario with the "Build a beast" heropower.
The other suggestion I would have for Arfus is that it stays as a 4 mana 2/2, but has charge. It would still be slow, but at least you could get the card out much faster.
A charging Arfus would also be possible with the "Build a beast" heropower, but since stonetusk boar costs 1 mana, it's total mana cost would be 5 and personally I'd say fuck that noise.
it's a 3/5 and Ysera awakens is 2 mana, not 0
I feel like what they are doing is printing loads of filler cards with poor or fair stats so that a year from now, or even two years from now, we have a slow meta again, if they just constantly print cards like these. Like reverse powercreeping.
Hejira#2854 Blizzard always shows some of the highlights first. With a few exeptions, the worst, most boring filler cards are shown or released last. So it really isnt as bad as it might seem.
yeah but the cards that arent filler are so cool
They won't do anything for the meta. People just won't ever play them beyond experimenting.
I think you're undervaluing lifesteal just a little bit, but I'm also not very good at the game so I'll just shut up now
Problem is that lifesteal is only good in a general sense when you already have or are capable of taking back board control. It does not help in regaining board control since it directly impacts the stats of a minion, and if that minion doesn't have taunt, its just gonna be a bad minion. Might as well run earthen ring farseer or Voodo doctor or other similar minions instead of these lifesteal ones. They have the advantage of being able to heal other minions, as well as just being better in most cases for the same mana cost.
See the crappy muloc 1 drop for an example of one of the worst possible lifesteal designs. Worse than tinyfin as a body, murlocs do not care about their own hero health, murlocs that are in a position where they do not have board control and need a 1/1 with lfiesteal have already lost the game. All of that makes it pretty garbage despite having the murloc tag.
On the flip side, Obsidian Statue is hella OP for midrange/aggro matchups because of the high health, moderate attack, and most importantly, taunt. The problem is that many many lifesteal minions are lower cost minions with horrible stats for their cost
rag end of turn effect....
Matt Fisher that’s wild
we means the rag in paladin that heals you 8 dmg at end of turn
Katsuo Gaming ahh yes he is correct
And it's still 8 mana
Let's not forget Kabal Trafficker
Let's see if how you're valuing lifesteal is similar to how you did with adapt.
Yay, I can finally use my golden black knight lol.
Doesn't Wretched Tiller do 2 damage to the enemy hero regardless of where he attacks?
If The Lich King doesn't have special dialogue with Uther, Jaina, and death knight hero cards, I'm probably gonna lose my shit...
Missed chance to add the "undead" tag to cards.
Clockwork Knight They said they didn't wanted for this expension but they might add it in later expensions.
I think everyone is massively over rating the Lich King. Ysera had almost exclusively good results, Ysera awakens was kinda bad if you are ahead but you would just pocket it for if you started to fall behind. The Lich King is pretty much only going to see use in slow decks... which actually tend to hit fatigue a lot... and 2 of the cards can very quickly push you into fatigue with minimal gain.
Army of the dead is basically only good in a deck with a lot more minions than spells.
Anti Magic Shell is really expensive which results in it being kinda just okay.
Doom Pact is worth it if you are desperate but may not actually end up saving you.
Death Grip is about average.
Obliterate is average. Its worth the downside but generally speaking, your deck should have enough removal that if you are needing this card, you are probably not doing to hot.
Frostmourne, Death and Decay, and Death Coil are the only good cards. Absolutely no complaints here.
Meanwhile Ysera's worst results are Laughing Sister, a well stated minion and Ysera Awakens, a card which if you are low could kill you but can often save your ass. Ysera awakens > Death and decay / Doom Pact most of the time.
The Lich King has taunt which is a benefit in druid but in every other deck, effects like this you usually try to make stick around. The taunt makes it easier to deal with. Ysera also has way better stats than the lich king.
Most of these cards are really dissapointing, I feel like the fans know this game more then Blizzard does themselves. Its like Blizzard is just slapping random stats on these cards without checking them.
The dream: upgrade Frostmourne, kill one of each of the Four Horsemen, top decking Molten Blade the turn you make your final swing.
8:38 Did Jens edit out the answer to the question by accident or did he just ask the audience? It seems something is missing here.
11:25 I think he meant the new Bolvar, seeing as the old Bolvar is only in wild. Trump doesn't deal in wild.
I know this has been happening for a while, but I still get really, really disapointed when so many obviously unplayable and completely uninspired cards are printed.
Having watched Trump trudge through this on Twitch I have an even greater appreciation for the astounding work Jens does for this channel.
The Lich King vs. The Black Knight. Just from the names, that sounds like a duel for the f*cking ages xD
Maybe we will see a troll priest who runs copy your opponents deck + that discard the top 5 cards and summon all creatures. Wouldn't that be a fun time?
I honestly think the deadscale Murloc could/should have stealth, that would make a better Card, still Not OP thought
Just like all the other expansions Trump says that 99% of the cards are bad and unplayable. Let's see how he does this time
Trump, the drakkari enchanter doubles the effect of your beloved 5 star warlock quest!
I wonder if you could blade furry a frostmourne and summon everything you killed with that.
There is this new warlock 6 mana 5 6 , deal 1 dmg to all enemy minions at the end of the turn . thats cool with drakkari enchanter.
I thought Lifesteal was boring when it first came out, now I think it's both boring and garbage.
Hey Jens, I really don't think thats how neutal is spelled, but I appreciate the effort
Trump forgot about the 6 mana 6/6 warlock card that gives you a demon at the end of every turn
So basically what trump is saying is only a few cards from this expansion is going to see play.
Those are some pretty sick 'Nautal' cards. I assume that's short for nautical...
Hmm, pretty sure it was the wrong bolvar (11:24)
As someone who has played MTG for over a decade, i can gaurantee you lifesteal will be a relevant mechanic. If it were undercosted it would be busted as hell. Minions that heal you, as neutrals? remember that rag lightlord is played EXCLUSIVELY because it heals you. Minion healing is incredibly powerful, especially in classes with buffs.
kingofbudokai Lightlord doesn't have shit stats, and heals you instantly.
That's a cool 8 mana card you have there , think it'll help you at 5 health?
5/5 for 4 mana is not good anymore... We live in dark times guys
there needs to be a spell or minion that retriggers battle cries of minions that are already on bored
The Lich King should replace your hand with those spells.
I think that in this expansion they put real focus on arena play >:D
wonna hear a joke?
Lifesteal
No.
FURFNACEFIRE COLOSSUS WITH TENTACLES FOR ARMS OpieOP
I just imagine lich king with the one druid legendary
i was waiting for the lich king but now i got disappointed .
So many bad cards. Blizzard what the heck
i thought trump said there was going to be a dual weild dk
Ah "Neutal" cards
when talking of a card why only mentioning standar synergy? it's not like wild does not exist
letchukki Everything is busted in wild is why
That's the wrong Bolvar, Sven!
Wrong Bolvar Jens.
I want a refund
Everyone lifesteal is not brand new, it is in most other card games! The lifesteal cards are not easy to pull off, you have to attack with them! It seems like Hearthstone is like 3 years behind most of the other card games who have been using lifesteal mechanics for a long time now!
The enchanter is nice with that new warlock demon that deals 1 damage to the enemies minions at the end of your turn. Makes it deal 2, so it's like getting a freeze-less Blizzard at the end of your turn with the other downside of it costing more than 6 mana, but the plus side of potentially staying on the board for more than one turn which then makes it a sort of Flamestrike. :3
Oh yeah, there's also that 5 mana 4/4 that buffs all the minions in your hands at the end of your turn in Paladin, and Grimy Gadgeteer in Warrior. Those could be fun with the Enchanter. :3
On wretched tiller: isn't that explanation wrong? the text read whenever this minion attacks, without regards to the target, so that means if the minion attacks another minion, it will steal deal 2 damage to face, right?
Which would mean that if you get at least one attack Wretched Tiller plays more or less like leper gnome (probably worse than that though since it can be destroyed by any deal one damage effect)
Control decks, nothing. I fully expect to see The Lich King in EVERY deck. Dr. 8 is just that good. (and yes, people tech'd in BGH just for Dr. Boom and they'll do the same here) But when you AMS the rest of your board the next turn or play out 5 big cards off the top...who cares about BGH.
What.. "Everything else isnt really worth it" What about Grimestreet enforcer? Or I could see myself comboing that with Ethereal arcanist as well... Not a very good combo I guess, but not too bad either. Say I got iceblock, I can play turn 7 Enchanceter and Ethereal Arcanist, meaning I get a 7/7 Ethereal Arcanist on board... 7mana 8/12 board. If both cards survive the next turn, then you suddenly have a 11/11 ethereal arcanist... Pretty likely for a 7/7 to survive a turn.