We not only have a 12-year Span in between each Super Bowl but the Colts left in 1984 the Ravens arrived in 1996 last time I checked that's 12 years let's go Vault Nation
The interesting thing about this MVP debate is if Josh Allen is the front runner for what he did this season why isn’t Justin Herbert not in the running. He did a lot with less than Allen while adjusting to a new coaching staff. His numbers are comparable to Allen, passing wise could be viewed as better. Lamar numbers are exactly what they look like. It’s history period
Same can be said of cj stroud, he’s in the playoffs did as much as he could do with what he had as well. I had a debate with a bills fan at twin peaks (a bar) about it and we went down the list of arguments and I cooked him he didn’t know what to say after. But his opening argument was that if you took Josh Allen off the bills they don’t win a single game, and my response was you take half the QBs off their teams they may only win one or 2 games. So why isn’t stroud, Herbert, stafford or these other middle of the pack QBs not in the mvp convo if that’s the main argument. We went through a few more and he eventually just called me a hater and stopped talking to me
Man I love Dan and hearing him talk ball, but if I’m going to be honest this mvp talk has started to change that view. I do not mind someone making an argument that is based on facts. But when it comes to the arguments that Dan is putting out they all seem disingenuous as if he is making up random stats or random facts to validate his reasoning for Josh being MVP. It is unlike him. Some of his takes makes it even seem as though he is watching no film whatsoever. Part of me can see that as an attempt to not want to have to change his mvp decision but I’ll give him the benefit of doubt on that one. All in all, his arguments are not based in fact and are easily refutable by looking at the data and turning on the film
The agenda that the league and/or media has propounded has turned a LOT of people two-faced. DO, Shady, Greeny, Jeff Saturday, Acho (psyche! Acho was always shady!), even RR, most disappointingly. What you're hearing is someone else's words.
Hey Guys!! Love what yall have done for us Raven fans. The fact that you guys never back down from the media. I wanted to breakdown the numbers with you on Chase Daniel's Joe vs. Lamar debate on The Facility. Joe has 144 more comps and 746 more yds than Lamar, which comes out to a 5.2 yds per comp. If we take Lamars Avg for yds per completion (13.2 Lamar / 10.7 Joe) and multiply by 144=1901 more yards for Lamar, for a grand total of 6K+YDs!! NOT INCLUDING HIS RUSHING NUMBERS 😈😈😈
So it’s a failure season for everyone that doesn’t make it to superbowl ???? The way they pushing this narrative got me thinking the refs will be working over time against Lamar this year
That afc championship is the only playoff game I blame Lamar for. And I only blame him because he let people get into his head and didn’t play his game.
@thefacilityonfs1 Lamar: -beat 9 teams w/ winning records, and 7-2 (tied w/ KC & NFL record) against playoff teams. -Better supporting cast for TOUGHER schedule. -Elevated the players around him & Ravens didn't win unless Jackson had 114+ passer rating (JA won when he had lower rating) -Betrayal rate of supporting cast (missed FG's, WORST def early in the szn, receivers tossing balls to def) for Lamar was HIGHER than Josh & Lamar was better at erasing those mistakes than JA -Lamar better stats... HISTORIC STATS -Bmore had HALF the amount of drives starting in opponents territory as Buf Must consider strength of opponents, strength of victory, betrayal rate, and more. When you look deep, it's Lamar HANDS DOWN. Easy. Big respect tho to both players.
Also... Bills with DOOUBLE the turnovers created on Def, Tyler Bass higher FG % etc... I am beyond disgusted with pundits like Dan & Acho IGNORING these facts and saying crazy things like - LJ had the better supporting cast. It's blatantly tone deaf!!
Look at how many points the Bills D gave up… 40 less points this season than the ravens d gave up. They have the best defensive line in football. Their RB is incredible considering he only got 200 touches. They have top 10 TE group… solid WR’s… tell me again how Lamar had a better supporting cast? Worse defense and a similar RB and TE group… that’s it.
Imagine what lamar numbers would look like if he was a stat padder like Josh. I honestly feel bad for cook cooper Coleman and Kincaid. The media is making them out to be scrubs.
Lamar went 12-5 and Josh went 13-4… not big difference. Cook only had 200 touches to Henry’s 320. Still had 1k rushing yards. Bills D was better than the Ravens. Go look who gave up less points in the season. Bills d gave up 40 less points. Bills d line is the BEST IN THE NFL… do not tell me the 4th greatest season EVER by a QB (Lamar) doesn’t deserve the mvp award because Josh Allen had a better record and less to work with. That’s BULLSHIT you can’t gaslight the statistics. Lamar beat the phuck out of Allen in the season dropping 4TD’s against him. Made him look like a child. Ravens beat the bills by 25… you know how the ravens only lost their 5 games by 22 points TOTAL. Lmao. Lamar had THE GREATEST SEASON EVER BY ANY QB EVER. Even without the 1k rushing yards.
I know it's not a superchat and I couldn't watch live but how about Gatekeepers for our name since we are the vault and play at the bank. The vault is in the bank and gatekeepers protect it. #TheVault
Sarah and Bobby, Late to the game on the subscribers name...Individuals called "a Collectable" and group called "the Collection." So Vault Collectable and Vault Collection.
I do agree that if the Ravens don’t make it to the Super Bowl and win, the season is a failure. The “let’s get it next year” gets old after a while. Honestly after the AFC Championship last season, I refuse to get my emotions up to be let down. I’m going to always support but I need to be shown.
Mason Rudolph is someone who definitely thought more of himself than his ability. I loved Myles Garrett giving him a reality check. I don’t believe it was something that everyone thinks was solely Garrett’s fault. Yes, you are responsible for your own actions however in the heat of battle…Mason was asking Garrett to thump his ASS!👍🏻❤️🐦⬛🏈🇺🇸
The Flocking Vault ! 😂 Sure we know Josh and Lamar both lift players on their own prospective teams, to actually play better. Question: Is Josh Allen solely responsible for Sean McDermott having his head-coaching job with the Bills for the last 7 years ?
Excuses saying his poor performance is because he was too excited.what will be the excuse next year? They need a 2k wide reciever? 2-4 in playoffs 6tds 9 turnovers in 6 games.
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You know what is funny? I'm not even a Ravens fan. But I'm a fan of Lamar Jackson and this podcast is really great.
We not only have a 12-year Span in between each Super Bowl but the Colts left in 1984 the Ravens arrived in 1996 last time I checked that's 12 years let's go Vault Nation
The Ravens gotta get this one for JJ. WRs gotta channel their inner JJ for this SB run
The interesting thing about this MVP debate is if Josh Allen is the front runner for what he did this season why isn’t Justin Herbert not in the running. He did a lot with less than Allen while adjusting to a new coaching staff. His numbers are comparable to Allen, passing wise could be viewed as better. Lamar numbers are exactly what they look like. It’s history period
Justin Herbert didn’t statpad QB sneaks this season
Same can be said of cj stroud, he’s in the playoffs did as much as he could do with what he had as well. I had a debate with a bills fan at twin peaks (a bar) about it and we went down the list of arguments and I cooked him he didn’t know what to say after. But his opening argument was that if you took Josh Allen off the bills they don’t win a single game, and my response was you take half the QBs off their teams they may only win one or 2 games. So why isn’t stroud, Herbert, stafford or these other middle of the pack QBs not in the mvp convo if that’s the main argument. We went through a few more and he eventually just called me a hater and stopped talking to me
But Allen has talent his running back leads nfl n touchdowns
Because Allen was never the front runner to begin with.
Lamar Jackson is changing the history of the National Football League before our eyes!!!! JOSH WHO!!!!!
Man I love Dan and hearing him talk ball, but if I’m going to be honest this mvp talk has started to change that view. I do not mind someone making an argument that is based on facts. But when it comes to the arguments that Dan is putting out they all seem disingenuous as if he is making up random stats or random facts to validate his reasoning for Josh being MVP. It is unlike him. Some of his takes makes it even seem as though he is watching no film whatsoever. Part of me can see that as an attempt to not want to have to change his mvp decision but I’ll give him the benefit of doubt on that one. All in all, his arguments are not based in fact and are easily refutable by looking at the data and turning on the film
The agenda that the league and/or media has propounded has turned a LOT of people two-faced. DO, Shady, Greeny, Jeff Saturday, Acho (psyche! Acho was always shady!), even RR, most disappointingly. What you're hearing is someone else's words.
“Tellers” the bank only usually has a banker or 2 ie Bobby and Sarah. The rest of us just work the counter.
That graphic should show how many of them won it in the year 7 of their careers. 6:55
Hey Guys!! Love what yall have done for us Raven fans. The fact that you guys never back down from the media. I wanted to breakdown the numbers with you on Chase Daniel's Joe vs. Lamar debate on The Facility.
Joe has 144 more comps and 746 more yds than Lamar, which comes out to a 5.2 yds per comp. If we take Lamars Avg for yds per completion (13.2 Lamar / 10.7 Joe) and multiply by 144=1901 more yards for Lamar, for a grand total of 6K+YDs!! NOT INCLUDING HIS RUSHING NUMBERS 😈😈😈
No one is asking that question about Josh... especially those who says that he is the MVP
So it’s a failure season for everyone that doesn’t make it to superbowl ???? The way they pushing this narrative got me thinking the refs will be working over time against Lamar this year
Crazy bobby buffalo has no ravens gear.
Miles please come to Baltimore
Bobby and Sarah, love you guys. Make it easy and call us Vaulters or Bvaulters
We need Ray tell our guys this before we face our enemies
Vault forlife this show is really good lets go vault lock down Bobby Sarah u great
I really loved that floating lookin zen master graphic y’all had up
Wild show today guys!! But I'll cast my vote for "Vault Keepes" Because we definitely keep Bobby and Sarah on yalls toes!!! Let's Go Flock!!!😈
i love you guys sara ellison and bobby baltimore
Sarah with the Rocky IV reference is elite. 😂😂
What about the bank tellers
That afc championship is the only playoff game I blame Lamar for. And I only blame him because he let people get into his head and didn’t play his game.
No the team/coaches let lj8 down
Dropped passes and bad play calling smh
Sounds like cope
@krenbenz6991 guess you would know.
Nah the chiefs ran the ball 35 plus times but we only run the ball 6 times all game? Thas crazy
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just my opinion all terrible
@thefacilityonfs1
Lamar:
-beat 9 teams w/ winning records, and 7-2 (tied w/ KC & NFL record) against playoff teams.
-Better supporting cast for TOUGHER schedule.
-Elevated the players around him & Ravens didn't win unless Jackson had 114+ passer rating (JA won when he had lower rating)
-Betrayal rate of supporting cast (missed FG's, WORST def early in the szn, receivers tossing balls to def) for Lamar was HIGHER than Josh & Lamar was better at erasing those mistakes than JA
-Lamar better stats... HISTORIC STATS
-Bmore had HALF the amount of drives starting in opponents territory as Buf
Must consider strength of opponents, strength of victory, betrayal rate, and more. When you look deep, it's Lamar HANDS DOWN. Easy.
Big respect tho to both players.
RAVENS ROLLING BALLERS. GREAT NAME.
We are next. Ravens MVP 3🙏👏👍
Also... Bills with DOOUBLE the turnovers created on Def, Tyler Bass higher FG % etc... I am beyond disgusted with pundits like Dan & Acho IGNORING these facts and saying crazy things like - LJ had the better supporting cast. It's blatantly tone deaf!!
Look at how many points the Bills D gave up… 40 less points this season than the ravens d gave up. They have the best defensive line in football. Their RB is incredible considering he only got 200 touches. They have top 10 TE group… solid WR’s… tell me again how Lamar had a better supporting cast? Worse defense and a similar RB and TE group… that’s it.
Imagine what lamar numbers would look like if he was a stat padder like Josh. I honestly feel bad for cook cooper Coleman and Kincaid. The media is making them out to be scrubs.
Lamar went 12-5 and Josh went 13-4… not big difference. Cook only had 200 touches to Henry’s 320. Still had 1k rushing yards. Bills D was better than the Ravens. Go look who gave up less points in the season. Bills d gave up 40 less points. Bills d line is the BEST IN THE NFL… do not tell me the 4th greatest season EVER by a QB (Lamar) doesn’t deserve the mvp award because Josh Allen had a better record and less to work with. That’s BULLSHIT you can’t gaslight the statistics. Lamar beat the phuck out of Allen in the season dropping 4TD’s against him. Made him look like a child. Ravens beat the bills by 25… you know how the ravens only lost their 5 games by 22 points TOTAL. Lmao. Lamar had THE GREATEST SEASON EVER BY ANY QB EVER. Even without the 1k rushing yards.
I know it's not a superchat and I couldn't watch live but how about Gatekeepers for our name since we are the vault and play at the bank. The vault is in the bank and gatekeepers protect it. #TheVault
How about THE combiNATION. #vault
Bobby Vaultimore and the Vaultimoreans 😈🏉😈
I like that name, Vaultimoreans!
The 20% discount doesn’t work on “Derick Henry’s Angry Run.” Maybe I’m doing it wrong?👍🏻❤️🏈🐦⬛🇺🇸
Hang in there Bobby im in same situation keep getting let downs Sarah picks up great friend
Sarah Ellison looks like Rebecca Ferguson from the show Silo. Can I get a second?
Lol 😂why is nobody looking to trade for our special teams head coach 🤣?
Because he is untouchable
Sarah and Bobby,
Late to the game on the subscribers name...Individuals called "a Collectable" and group called "the Collection." So Vault Collectable and Vault Collection.
THE VAULT FLOCK PLEASEEEEEEE
I do agree that if the Ravens don’t make it to the Super Bowl and win, the season is a failure. The “let’s get it next year” gets old after a while. Honestly after the AFC Championship last season, I refuse to get my emotions up to be let down. I’m going to always support but I need to be shown.
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Mason Rudolph is someone who definitely thought more of himself than his ability. I loved Myles Garrett giving him a reality check. I don’t believe it was something that everyone thinks was solely Garrett’s fault. Yes, you are responsible for your own actions however in the heat of battle…Mason was asking Garrett to thump his ASS!👍🏻❤️🐦⬛🏈🇺🇸
Vault Keepers or Vaulted Ones
Poor Ray. Probably had another 5 minutes of that speech and someone started clapping too early.
I like Vaulters
How about, “The Dead Poets?” In response to your question for a Ravens Flock listeners?
Myles Garrett is a real one
I believe that the MVP voter ballots are due today at 5:pm est according to Emmanuel Acho.
Voting closed January 6th
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Keepers tellers
I like Vaultcrew #vault
Valtimorians, tho I like it, kinda excludes fans who aren't in Baltimore
I would rather see the Ravens making an offer to Chris Godwin instead of Amari Cooper
5'10" 145 w grown woman body and mind? WOWZERS! she dated jamal lewis
#VaultNation
SOooooo what you are saying is that every year for 31 teams their seasons are a FAILURE??!! IDK..
The Flocking Vault ! 😂
Sure we know Josh and Lamar both lift players on their own prospective teams, to actually play better.
Question: Is Josh Allen solely responsible for Sean McDermott having his head-coaching job with the Bills for the last 7 years ?
#Vaultsiders
Or #Invaults.
Just rewatched Steelers loss. If Tucker makes 1 of 2 missed FGs or we don't have those turnovers, we win. We are playing cleaner and JT is back
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But Stanford lost by 30!😂
Oh I get it now....theyre propping Josh Allen as the new Travis Kelce. JA is engaged to a celebrity, Hailee Steinfeld. Thats it! Ok...🤣
Call yourselves the "Merchants."
You're welcome....
Fallout vault names
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How come Derek Henry didn't make it.😂
Excuses saying his poor performance is because he was too excited.what will be the excuse next year? They need a 2k wide reciever? 2-4 in playoffs 6tds 9 turnovers in 6 games.
That those loses and poor performance was a different version of lamar.
He looks completely different since monken has become his oc.
#PoleVaulters
Even if LJ win SB, the excuse will be it is due to King???
And my response will be kiss the ring haters!