Have been a Canon shooter for 20 years and the Z9 and the built in tele’s are so tempting. Nikon gets some stick from areas of the photo community but there is serious innovation in these camera’s and lenses that for wildlife make them incredibly practical
Cameras are like the weather. There's an old saying, "If you don't like the weather, wait a minute!" The same is true with cameras. If you don't like the current offerings from your camera manufacturer, just wait a minute! I have watched photographer friends take blood bath after blood bath (financially speaking) switching from one brand to another, and selling tons of gear at a loss, only to regret it a year or two later when their "old" manufacturer comes out with their "latest and greatest"! If you are heavily invested in one company or another, you are better off to "wait a minute" than jump ship, in my opinion.
What a great combo Jan, out of my price range, but maybe in the future. Nikon is definitely coming in strong with their Z lenses. Great images as always.
I shoot the Z9 and a 500PF and have great results, however the 400mm f2.8 TC and the 600mm f4 TC really have me with lens envy. Both are fabulous, but the decision one or the other is hard. One of these days I'm just going to pull the trigger and buy one. I hope I've made a decision by then! Great video Jan! I hope you pull that trigger too! Love your work!
Good to see that you have finally caught up with the Nikon Z9, Nikkor Z S series lenses and the DxO software for low light small bird pics. After an 11 month wait my 800mm 6.3 PF was finally shipped to Australia. The 500mmPF with 1.4X TC on the Z9 does the job for me at the moment.
For serious wildlife and nature photographers, the combination of the Nikon Z9 and the new suite of Nikon Z mount lenses offers a very compelling equipment solution.
I've just fully invested in the Sony system, but the Nikon Z mount is a very compelling option, the 400mm F4.5 is insane quality considering it's such a light lens and now with the nikon 200-600mm soon to be announced just further completes the system.
When it comes to Manual Focusing while hand-holding the lens (the 400/2.4 TC which has the same design): I keep the lens foot resting on my palm for support, allowing me to use my fingers for manual focusing. It can be uncomfortable for the palm, thus I use a fingerless padded biker's glove. Nikon has received a lot of abuse from many TH-camrs who have never really used the cameras/lenses and I am happy to see you giving an honest and informed opinion.
I do the same thing with my 200-500, it isnt the most practical thing in the world but gets the job done, also allows for both focus and zooming without moving my hand.
I just feel like holding the lenses by the body is so much more stable. And as you say it can get painful on the hand if you hold it by the foot. I am not attached to any brand. I use what works for me and happy to share whatever I think of the gear I use.
Really great looking lens. My choice of the A1 and thus Sony system came down to size and weight (I'm 70). The Z9 is compelling but it felt like going back to a heavy DSLR which is the main reason I switched to mirrorless. I do admit that right now for wildlife/bird photography the firmware updates to the Z9 plus new lenses makes it a very compelling set up. I feel Sony has abandoned A1 users which is why I've been flirting with Canon.
@@jan_wegener Standard operating procedure for Sony. They want to sell you a new camera instead. Not like Nikon who recently dropped new firmware for 10+ years old cameras and have been rolling some major new features on the new Z cameras through firmware.
Size and weight are important to a lot of people, but I think others actually like huge, heavy cameras. I think they feel they look more "professional ". For others, they like the "feel" in their hands of a DSLR style camera. It's more what they are used to. In any case, don't make 70 sound old! I'm right there with you!
I'm always amazed Jan you haven't already changed over to Nikon. Best thing I ever did was swap my 1DX for the D500 and get the 500 PF, and now I have the Z9 and 400 f/4.5 which is a ridiculously light lens. Going forward I would really love to see Nikon offer a 500 f/4.5 with built-in 1.4x as this would be maybe 2.2kg max and with 46MP the 20% FL reduction compared to 600mm is not worth worrying about for vastly better portability and probably half the cost. Until then I will get the 800 f/6.3 as the 800 + 400 is about half the price of the 600 in Australia which costs $26K or so.
I have owned this lens since just about release date, and it has changed everything I do in the field. The image quality is spectacular, and even the price in my mind is justifiable as I almost feel like I have two lenses in one, without having to carry two lenses (and two bodies). Unless the other brands come out with a comparable lens, I just can't see myself going back to a 600mm f/4 without a built in TC. I have also owned the 400 TC, and I feel like that lens has even better image quality compared to the near perfect 600 TC.
I initially ordered the 400tc due to the presumed image quality benefit and some early positive feedback from Matt Granger. When the opportunity arose to get the 600tc instead ( there was no chance of ‘as well’), and without knowing how long the wait would be for the 400 tc, I jumped at the 600. I love it and have no regrets but was curious about how much better the 400 picture quality was. Alphonsus- do you feel there was a significant difference? Thanks, Glenn.
Just like I said in the comments two weeks ago, the BIG SWITCH is coming. I shoot Nikon, but not the Z9. Waiting for the “Z850” before I upgrade and consider one of the big telephotos. In the meantime, I’m shooting the OM1 + 150-400 4.5 TC pro lens ….. and loving this combo. Like the big Z lenses it has the TC flip switch next to my middle finger, instantly taking the lens as long as 1000 mm ffe. Getting great shots with it and many of the so called weaknesses of M43 (DOF, noise) are heavily overblown by the full frame junkies. Give it a whirl, Jan. For size, weight, reach and cost, there is no better bird and wildlife combo.
Its a great combo, the 20mp M43 Sony stacked sensor is amazing. I wish to see it in more travel format bodies packed with the newest software and decent zoom.
Used this lens since February mounted on a monogimbal head, monopod, flagbearer-style harness combo. This makes it truly a walkabout and handholdable lens. Game changer for bird and small mammal photography with the 600 or 840 focal length. In hindsight, I was fortunate that over the entire 2022 year the Z 400/2.8 TC never arrived and I could change my pre-order to the Z 600/4 TC.
Fantastic pictures. Thank you. I'm looking forward to your Z 9 review with tips about autofocus. I shoot with a Z 7 and a Z 9, but ten months into Z 9 use, I still find it overwhelming. Of course, your photographic expertise is the foundation of your thrilling pictures, irrespective of gear.
Agreed. It has taken me longer to learn how to pre-set my brain so that I get the camera ready, pick the appropriate settings and operate it efficiently without feeling somewhat overwhelmed by all the options etc (and the moving autofocus indicators). New cameras usually take me about six months to feel completely comfortable with. It’s always a pleasure once I get to that stage. The Z9 has taken much much longer. I am however enjoying it more and more each time I use it. I got just over a year ago. The firmware updates have helped but it is still a camera with SO many options to work your way through, understand and then get comfortable with using.
I also feel tempted to get a nikon z9 and this amazing lens, thanks for a great review. I have a R5 and I have the old 600 mm f4 mk2 that I bought used 2015 and I have the eos 400mm f4 mk2 with I find really nice for longer hiking often with the 1,4 extender.
Thanks for review. As a hobbyist, need a lottery win for this so scraping around with 100-400 and waiting Soooo long for 1.4TC. Might have to consider 800mm or the 200-600mm if it comes out in the next few years!
In Australia this lens is $27499. Very few if any photographers will be able to justify buying it. Instead, it will be the Doctors, Dentists, and Lawyers who take less photos in ten years than I do every day buying it. The inbuilt TC is a great idea though - I've seen it on the 150-400 Olympus lens as well. Would be great to see it trickle down to affordable lenses - but not sure it will be possible given diffraction issues using TC's on slower lenses.
Despise putting a TC on a Canon 100-500. Having to extend the lens to get it on makes an irritating operation even more so, and slower. Built-in is the future for wildlife.
Was waiting for this review. Thanks for the review. I own a Z9 but this lens is out of my budget. If I were a pro photographer, I'd jump on it. And really amazing photos/vids. Well done, Jan.
Thanks for the presentation, Jan. I've currently been using the Nikon Z9 with previous f-mount 600mm f/4 E FL ED VR, and this lens is definitely a want - but your video almost makes it a need. Appreciate your review of handholding through the viewfinder footage and the shots at slow "shutter" speeds. The main issue (other than price) is availability. Interestingly, the 600mm f/4 TC seems to be a bit easier to come by than the 400mm f/2.8 (year wait). Keep the videos coming. I had given up on the idea of putting anything toward this lens and selling my old one till now. LOL Good thing it is a day of rest (Sunday).
Nice vid -- I have both the 600 and 400 and took both plus the 100-400 to kenya last month where I had a great time. I took over 20,000 shots and many hours of vids - but about 13,439 of these were with the 400/2.8TC and "only" 5645 were with the 600/4.0TC -- maybe this was because I focus on big cats often ion low light, we saw almost no cheetah chases and for some of the time it was very hot -- causing unacceptably high levels of heat haze when shooting at distance. Both lenses are hand holdable on a Z9. They function almost identically - but I find the location of the control and function rings inconvenient so taped over them both. Since it had been raining grass height was often high and so being able to manually focus to look through the grass was also key -- the Z9's area AF modes do tend to grab focus on the nearest object (with SD on or without) and this can frequently be a grass stem in front of the eye/head. One has to shoot with enough DOF (typ f/8). If I had to choose only one of these lenses it would be the 400/2.8TC - that is because small birds are very much a minority of the subject I shoot - the 400/560 gives me what I need. BUT -- YES the 600/840 is a huge advantage when you need to reach in -- but only when it is cool that heat haze does not spoil the work.
Overall the R6 II is much easier to use and thus has an edge imo. In saying that the Nikon AF has mostly caught up, but it not as easy to use and sometimes not as reliable
Thank you so much for this video! Mine 600 TC is preordered but I get switching thoughts because of the AF of Nikon cameras. Since the last Update (3.10) I am much happier with the Z9. I keep thinking and wait, till the 600 is waiting for me in the store. Why is there no manufacturer independent lens mount? :D
Z9 is overrated for dynamic birdlife phorography, but the only true option in Nikon. 600 f4 Nikon is a great lens, I love the tc incorporated, the price is crazy thou.
Does locking/unlocking lens hood lock squeak? Mine squeaks and I have seen another video review of this lens that also squeaks - th-cam.com/video/f2hCRaXGiLU/w-d-xo.html squeaked at 13m55s and 18m15s
It's hard not to have gear envy with a review like that. I'm envious of the lorikeets you have occasion to photograph. They look like they've been tie dyed. Wow! Another great video.
Jan I don't know if you remember it was Canon that started the built-in teleconverter with the 200 to 400 lens . I look at it as a gimmick why not use your existing teleconverters that you have on lenses that weigh less . That's just my input their Jan but there might be other people to feel different let's hear from them as well .
I've had mine now for about 2 months. LOVE it... Though I am struggling a little but with getting sharp images when shooting at 840mm. At 600mm it's amazing. More testing is needed. I shoot alpine ski racing so it's a little more complicated than wildlife / bif. I went with the Z9 not so much because of the body but because of the 400/2.8 TC and the 600/4 TC.. Having the builtin TC is a game changer for me. I highly doubt that Sony or Canon will re release their 400/600 primes with built TC in quite some time if ever. Nikon really did their homework when releasing the 400/600mm lens with built in TC's. I expect Canon to release a new 200-400/4TC as this is a very popular lens in the sports community
I did have a few times where the AF was slightly off with the extender at close range, but didn't happen enough to draw any conclusions from that. Yes, I also don't think we will see TC primes from Sony or Canon soon.
For same money. I would say this is better value: Nikon Z 400 mm f/2,8 TC VR S - TC build in 1.4x = 560 mm , TC 2x = 800 mm f 5.6 But still with cost 3 x Z9 = :( this is truly working professional only lens. :)
What focus settings are you using? Is it animal autofocus? It seems lock on to the birds so well! On my Z7ii when it seems to just randomly hunt when I have it in that mode and never seems to lock onto the birds reliably.
@@biologyuppsala5389 Yes. As there is no 'upgrade' from the 800mm pf to the 600mm. With TC the sharpness is degraded and it becomes 'worse' than the 800mm. So, where is the upgrade here? Also, I am into small passerine birds, I need focal length. In case I use the 600mm almost all the time with TC on then I can also use the 800mm from beginning. The 600mm does not make sense for me. Maybe the 400mm yes, or the 400mm 4.5.
@@josefmolina3510 well the bokeh in the 800 is not great unless you manage to get an empty background. But if you never need 600 or f/4 then your choice makes sense. With 800mm there is no alternative if you get too close to a bigger bird though...
@@biologyuppsala5389 Cannot confirm this as I used also the 600mm f/4. The 800mm is lighter and with more reach. And it is sharper than the 600mm with activated TC. Bokeh wise, no complaint at all here, just compare the same scene with both lenses and you will see it. It is not 3x better than with the 800mm, if you want to compare it that way.
Great video with impressive and engaging footage as usual. I have been a Nikon user for quite a while. I think the lens looks like a brilliant innovation. I hope other manufacturers take note. It is not the only feature they should copy from Nikon. The sensor shield and the no blackout dual stream viewfinder are also good indications of features everyone should adopt. I have had the Z9 for about a year. It has been a steep learning curve but it is delivering on the promise of producing very pleasing results. I often find that I have so many shots in focus that I can focus on composition and creativity. I would love the 600 TC S series lens. it looks like it also adds a great deal to improving the process of taking excellent photographs. The price is however way too steep for me.
Cameras are obsolite for 1 year or less while lenses will serve you whole life if you keep them properly. My advise is to invest more in lenses, not cameras.
My intention in the near future is to buy the Nikon Z 600 mm F6.3 , That one is one third cheaper and very easy to handle I have the Nikon Z9 and it can handle higher iso very well In the Netherlands I can buy one for 5799 Euro and the Nikon Z 600 mm F4 costs 17.249 Euro , almost triple the price of the Nikon Z 600 F6.3
Stunning Video as ever, Jan. Many Thanks for yet another great release. Unfortunately with the use of an obvious click bait title, I have but 1 concern. You did't answer your own Question! Normal Hardworking "Hobbyist" photographers of course cannot, nor will not spend that ridiculous amount on a lens. Clearly a Pro photographer many be able to add such a thing to their camera bag. Would You switch?
Cause I don’t have a clear answer yet. I am very tempted but I’d like to see what Nikons next cameras will be and what the R1 will be like. The image stabilisation alone would make this worthwhile for me
And yes a built in teleconverter on other lenses would be brilliant (if affordable). I hate swapping TC's around - its such a nuisance. P.s. Out of interest what plate do you use for the lens foot. And do you have a video on travel tripods or recommendations at all for lightweight foldable ones?
The problem with Nikon vs Canon or Sony is now depreciation. Anything you buy from Nikon will be worth less than 1/2, compared to Sony or Canon. They're just too far behind in the marketshare to catch up. Investing in the Z system is insane.
Give the Z8 15fps mechanical and 30 electronics, same body system and buttons like the Z9 but without inbuilt grip,make all the buttons customizable,make the dedicated af button switchable (not needing to tap on it and rotate a dial),add zebra stripping for exposure monitoring ,4k is enough,dual cfexpress type B card slots,even an improved af over the Z9 and grip also available on release . And sit back to enjoy a huge success.
Thank for the video, I have a question about the lens grip.there is different screw size. What model of plate is needed to accept the two screw threads. Thank you
What I like about this review is that there is no Canon vs. Nikon bickering. I am a big fan of TCs. Being able to utilize a TC custom made for that lens by the flip of a switch is one of the smartest lens features. Apart from Zoom lenses. Zoom lenses can’t be made with apertures and image quality like fixed lenses.
All the brands are good in the end and each brand has some standouts the others don't have, like this Nikkor lens for instance. I use the gear that serves me well, but I am not attached to any brand and want to share my honest opinions with you. otherwise, what's the point.
Hey Jan, I am a young wildlife photographer and I was wondering if you could give me any tips about selling me work. I am planning to sell prints online, although I do not know how to edit my images. Thanks
I'm sorry. What is that German word at 8:00? "Gahadenschatt"? You refer to the dark areas in the background, I presume. But I can't find that word in my online dictionary (I'm sure I've misspelled it). Thanks. As for the lens: I could never afford it but as a Canon shooter, I think it would be nice if Canon offered something like this.
At those price ranges, built in teleconverters should have been standard issue Heck they should include both the 1.4 and 2.0 teleconverters in the same lens
Thank you for your video and especially for the field test, dream combo ! If we compare the Canon RF 600mm f4 and this fabulous lens you just tested at 600mm, in terms of image quality only, for you which one is the winner?
Ah ja, I am clearly suffering from GAS but I have an excuse. My wife wants my Nikkor Z 800mm 6.3 for her own birding. So, I need a new lens, I will get the Nikkor Z 600mm 4.0 today. Sounds reasonable excuse, right? Just kidding but really get the Nikkor Z 600mm 4.0 today. Enjoyable time ahead!
Is use my Canon 100-400is ii with my Z6ii with the fringer ef-nz and i cant notice any difference versus native lenses. I recently received my Z8 and the adapter works even better with this camera.i know people perhaps are reluctant to adapting lenses across brands but this adapter really is a breakthrough. Not making a comercial. I do own mostly nikon f and z lenses.
Hi is there a way to do comparison on a few of the canon cameras? I have the r6 and am thinking of going to either the r3 or the newer)r6m 11 or waiting for the r5 m11 to come out rumored this year. Also I am shooting (it seems) mostly in the 600 + range (I have a sigma lens with a converter and an extension)- could you suggest a mirrorless lens as an alternative. mostly handehld and the sigma lens is a beast... - birds, horses, landscape, travel . (birds mostly for the far away lens :)
I am Nikon schootter and will definitely buy this lens. There is out of question for an amateur photographer to think about switching the system. Way to expensive. Canon Nikon and Sony will stay in the market. All three brands are great.
Makes such sense or on teleconverter switch annoying having to change out the tele for speed changing angle and getting colours in the background like really adds interest and pop.lens drool lol
Jan, which lens setting did you use in pure raw 3 for the pics you took with the 600tc? It doesn’t yet have this lens and I wasn’t sure whether using the ‘f’ mount setting was suitable. Thanks. Glenn.
It seems more and more each brand has enough going for them that you can't go wrong, they all have strengths and weaknesses. It's just down to picking a camera that fits "how" you like to shoot.
Yes indeed! I want one but when the heck are we going to be able to buy one. It's always out of stock. Same with the new 85mm lens. It's pretty hard to stay with them if they make you wait sooooooo long to buy stuff. Come on NIKON get the stuff out!!! Great video Jan and thanks for sharing...
Hallo Jan. Sehr praktisch, was Nikon mit dem integrierten TC geschafft hat. Nun sollte aber endlich ein neuer Body folgen, der unterhalb der Z9 trotzdem die Motiverkennung und den AF der Z9 mitbringt. Die Objektive gibt es nun , es fehlen weitere Kameras, die leichter und etwas günstiger sind. Gruß aus D. Jörg.
Well, Jan, although I'm subscribed to your channel, I have been a Nikon shooter since whenever the FE came out, your content is always informative and have learnt many skills and ideas here, Now I'm not sure I will get enough cash for this 78 year old kidney to buy (order) the 600 f4s, My Tamron 150- 600 G1 not working on the Z9, so looks like the boat gets sold :) Absolutely stunning images and PP BTW ! ............... Gary ................AU
Hey, Jan, Nikon hardly started a trend of built in teleconverters! In fact, the 1st such lens was the old, manual focus Canon FD 1200mm 1.4X. But that was a special order only.... And not many were ordered as they were super expensive. The first production lens with built in TC was another Canon... The EF 200-400mm 1.4X. Nikon copied that with their F mount 180-400mm 1.4X. All that aside, I do think we will see more lenses with built in TC. But unless I win a lottery I'll never own one! I drew a line at $10,000, which only got me an EF 500mm f/4L IS USM, around 20 years ago 😢 I am sure Canon has various RF lenses on the drawing board... But they really need to launch and answer to the Z9 first. The Canon R3 is a formidable camera in many respects. But let's be honest... 24MP just isn't the same as 46MP! The need for a Canon R1 is getting more urgent every day! It needs to be 45 to 60MP with at least a BSI sensor. A global shutter would be even better!
The rumours are very strong that Nikon will launch a Z8 in the next month and is expected to be lighter than the Z9. That could be an interesting prospect for those who are only put off by the Z9’s weight.
I have been shooting wildlife and birds for a long time using Canon's 100-400 4.5-5.6 and a 500 f4 (with and without 1.4 teleconverter) as my basic gear. Those lenses followed me to mirrorless via adapters. Been pretty happy with that setup, but I have to tell you, the new Nikon 180-600 5.6-6.3 is a sweet lens. Though I am not a brand swapper, I do have to wonder why every other manufacturer can come out with a similar lens, all under two grand, and the best Canon can do is a slower (at the long end...the end that counts) 100-500 4.5-7.1 for a thousand dollars more! Nice lens, no doubt, but come on! If you want to touch 600mm in a sub $2,000.00 lens from Canon, you are looking at a 600mm f11. F11!
hey Jan Wegener, with your very Dutch name :). Great video. I won't be buying the 600 anytime soon because I bought the 100-400 yesterday. Still, it's thanks to great creative and technically very experienced photographers like you, that I get to form some conclusive predictions about the working of lenses, their handling, their character, and what they could do for me and in my work. So, the 100-400 is part of this same family of Z tele glass as the 600. I've been working with it for exactly one day now. I love myself for having bought it, finally, based on a huge pile of information thanks to content makers like you. One remark about teleglass that I'd like to make is that it's never 'lightweight', but always heavy, even while some Z-lensen weigh less than their F-counterparts. You don't notice that weight so much because of the fantastic VR indeed, that damps out a lot of the fine corrections you'd otherwise make while pointing, following and focusing subjects under extended full concentration, and that can wear you down. These lenses are not lightweight but they certainly feel that way once you put them to your eye. Both ways, I think, you get a lot of substance for your buck.
Olympus have a zoom lens with built in TC. and it plays nice when stacking TCs to get to 2000mm. I understand you are only interesting in fullframe though, shame.
I just wanted to say again how much I enjoy and learn from your videos, even the gear review-oriented ones that feature lenses I won’t be able to own (at least any time soon). Seeing your settings, techniques, and results well-sprinkled throughout all videos is so helpful. Oh, and if I ever win the lottery, this lens is #1 on my list for splurge purchases. What an amazing offering by Nikon.
Looks amazing but you should mention it will take over a year to get the lens for us normal people. I ordered the Z400 2.8 in March of 2022 (yes over a year ago!!!) and have not received it, they have no idea when it will ship, and cannot even get a rough estimate on when I will get it.
The only 600mm lenses that I could possibly afford are the (something)-600mm zooms. So whether a 600mm prime has an inbuilt extender or not, is of no real interest to me.
One thing you might not track but which would be helpful for reviews would be stats on how many pictures you took, how many you considered potentially usable, and how many you picked to edit immediately. Compared across camera & lens combos that could give a more objective idea of how good the AF is. Of course some of that is dependent on the photographer's skill, and some is dependent on the behavior of the birds, so it's not perfect.
I probably took right around 20k images. I did not keep less or more than I’d normally keep with my canon gear. The main difference I noticed was that I missed the 40fps of the R6 II in situations like the fighting stilts. It does give you more options of wing positions etc. once the AF hit it was pretty good. If anything it sometimes missed and I did not even get to take photos on that particular scene
Thanks for the video, just more camera equipment that I'm unable to afford. 😢😢😢😢😢 I'm glad that nikon is is stepping up their game and hopefully they will release new bodies with the autofocus abilities of the z9.😀
Thank you for your amazing reviews!! I realized that you are still using Deeprime in Pureraw 3, is it just because of the banding you sometimes get in deeprime XD or are there any other reasons?
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Have been a Canon shooter for 20 years and the Z9 and the built in tele’s are so tempting. Nikon gets some stick from areas of the photo community but there is serious innovation in these camera’s and lenses that for wildlife make them incredibly practical
well said
Cameras are like the weather. There's an old saying, "If you don't like the weather, wait a minute!" The same is true with cameras. If you don't like the current offerings from your camera manufacturer, just wait a minute!
I have watched photographer friends take blood bath after blood bath (financially speaking) switching from one brand to another, and selling tons of gear at a loss, only to regret it a year or two later when their "old" manufacturer comes out with their "latest and greatest"! If you are heavily invested in one company or another, you are better off to "wait a minute" than jump ship, in my opinion.
@@alansach8437 well said
What a great combo Jan, out of my price range, but maybe in the future. Nikon is definitely coming in strong with their Z lenses. Great images as always.
It is probably out of most people's price range, unless you make money with it, but it sure is a great lens.
Thank you!
I shoot the Z9 and a 500PF and have great results, however the 400mm f2.8 TC and the 600mm f4 TC really have me with lens envy. Both are fabulous, but the decision one or the other is hard. One of these days I'm just going to pull the trigger and buy one. I hope I've made a decision by then! Great video Jan! I hope you pull that trigger too! Love your work!
Thank you! I find 400 too short so it’s an easy choice for me 😀
Good to see that you have finally caught up with the Nikon Z9, Nikkor Z S series lenses and the DxO software for low light small bird pics. After an 11 month wait my 800mm 6.3 PF was finally shipped to Australia. The 500mmPF with 1.4X TC on the Z9 does the job for me at the moment.
Nice, there have been a few 800 coming in
I really enjoy the images you produce. The vibrant colors are always on point.
Thank you!
With regards to the focus ring positioning: with recent firmware, you are able to swap focusing to one of the function rings 👍
Great tip! I didn't;t know that. Only issue then is how narrow they are, but definitely easier to reach.
For serious wildlife and nature photographers, the combination of the Nikon Z9 and the new suite of Nikon Z mount lenses offers a very compelling equipment solution.
They do for sure
I've just fully invested in the Sony system, but the Nikon Z mount is a very compelling option, the 400mm F4.5 is insane quality considering it's such a light lens and now with the nikon 200-600mm soon to be announced just further completes the system.
@@KurtisPape lens wise for us wildlife photographers it’s hard to beat atm
When it comes to Manual Focusing while hand-holding the lens (the 400/2.4 TC which has the same design): I keep the lens foot resting on my palm for support, allowing me to use my fingers for manual focusing. It can be uncomfortable for the palm, thus I use a fingerless padded biker's glove. Nikon has received a lot of abuse from many TH-camrs who have never really used the cameras/lenses and I am happy to see you giving an honest and informed opinion.
I do the same thing with my 200-500, it isnt the most practical thing in the world but gets the job done, also allows for both focus and zooming without moving my hand.
I just feel like holding the lenses by the body is so much more stable. And as you say it can get painful on the hand if you hold it by the foot.
I am not attached to any brand. I use what works for me and happy to share whatever I think of the gear I use.
Really great looking lens. My choice of the A1 and thus Sony system came down to size and weight (I'm 70). The Z9 is compelling but it felt like going back to a heavy DSLR which is the main reason I switched to mirrorless. I do admit that right now for wildlife/bird photography the firmware updates to the Z9 plus new lenses makes it a very compelling set up. I feel Sony has abandoned A1 users which is why I've been flirting with Canon.
Yes the Z9 is a heavy beast.
Sony’s lack of FW updates to the A1 is quite odd for sure
@@jan_wegener Standard operating procedure for Sony. They want to sell you a new camera instead. Not like Nikon who recently dropped new firmware for 10+ years old cameras and have been rolling some major new features on the new Z cameras through firmware.
Size and weight are important to a lot of people, but I think others actually like huge, heavy cameras. I think they feel they look more "professional ". For others, they like the "feel" in their hands of a DSLR style camera. It's more what they are used to.
In any case, don't make 70 sound old! I'm right there with you!
Just received mine today! My birthday present from my husband❤️❤️❤️❤️
Happy birthday!!
@@jan_wegener thank you!
Really enjoyed the "in the field" content, and especially the story of the fabulous Black-necked Stilt shot - Great stuff!
Thank you
I'm always amazed Jan you haven't already changed over to Nikon. Best thing I ever did was swap my 1DX for the D500 and get the 500 PF, and now I have the Z9 and 400 f/4.5 which is a ridiculously light lens. Going forward I would really love to see Nikon offer a 500 f/4.5 with built-in 1.4x as this would be maybe 2.2kg max and with 46MP the 20% FL reduction compared to 600mm is not worth worrying about for vastly better portability and probably half the cost. Until then I will get the 800 f/6.3 as the 800 + 400 is about half the price of the 600 in Australia which costs $26K or so.
I have owned this lens since just about release date, and it has changed everything I do in the field. The image quality is spectacular, and even the price in my mind is justifiable as I almost feel like I have two lenses in one, without having to carry two lenses (and two bodies). Unless the other brands come out with a comparable lens, I just can't see myself going back to a 600mm f/4 without a built in TC. I have also owned the 400 TC, and I feel like that lens has even better image quality compared to the near perfect 600 TC.
Definitely hard to go back once you have used one.What wow'ed me the most was actually the image stabilisation
I initially ordered the 400tc due to the presumed image quality benefit and some early positive feedback from Matt Granger.
When the opportunity arose to get the 600tc instead ( there was no chance of ‘as well’), and without knowing how long the wait would be for the 400 tc, I jumped at the 600.
I love it and have no regrets but was curious about how much better the 400 picture quality was.
Alphonsus- do you feel there was a significant difference?
Thanks, Glenn.
Just like I said in the comments two weeks ago, the BIG SWITCH is coming.
I shoot Nikon, but not the Z9. Waiting for the “Z850” before I upgrade and consider one of the big telephotos. In the meantime, I’m shooting the OM1 + 150-400 4.5 TC pro lens ….. and loving this combo. Like the big Z lenses it has the TC flip switch next to my middle finger, instantly taking the lens as long as 1000 mm ffe. Getting great shots with it and many of the so called weaknesses of M43 (DOF, noise) are heavily overblown by the full frame junkies.
Give it a whirl, Jan. For size, weight, reach and cost, there is no better bird and wildlife combo.
Yeah, I have tried a few times to get that combo for a spin, but no luck
Its a great combo, the 20mp M43 Sony stacked sensor is amazing. I wish to see it in more travel format bodies packed with the newest software and decent zoom.
Olympus have had the 150-400 F/4.5 with a built-in 1.25 TC for a while. The flexibility is hard to beat. The price is not bad either.
Nice set up for sure. I'd love to try it
Used this lens since February mounted on a monogimbal head, monopod, flagbearer-style harness combo. This makes it truly a walkabout and handholdable lens. Game changer for bird and small mammal photography with the 600 or 840 focal length.
In hindsight, I was fortunate that over the entire 2022 year the Z 400/2.8 TC never arrived and I could change my pre-order to the Z 600/4 TC.
Nice!
Sony better come out with a 600mm with tele asap other wise I’m changing systems!
I don’t see that happening soon, but who knows
Excellent user’s review backed up by gorgeous photos! 👏🏾👍🏾🙏🏾
Glad you liked it!
Fantastic pictures. Thank you. I'm looking forward to your Z 9 review with tips about autofocus. I shoot with a Z 7 and a Z 9, but ten months into Z 9 use, I still find it overwhelming. Of course, your photographic expertise is the foundation of your thrilling pictures, irrespective of gear.
Yes, not an easy camera to master
Agreed. It has taken me longer to learn how to pre-set my brain so that I get the camera ready, pick the appropriate settings and operate it efficiently without feeling somewhat overwhelmed by all the options etc (and the moving autofocus indicators). New cameras usually take me about six months to feel completely comfortable with. It’s always a pleasure once I get to that stage. The Z9 has taken much much longer. I am however enjoying it more and more each time I use it. I got just over a year ago. The firmware updates have helped but it is still a camera with SO many options to work your way through, understand and then get comfortable with using.
I also feel tempted to get a nikon z9 and this amazing lens, thanks for a great review. I have a R5 and I have the old 600 mm f4 mk2 that I bought used 2015 and I have the eos 400mm f4 mk2 with I find really nice for longer hiking often with the 1,4 extender.
Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for review. As a hobbyist, need a lottery win for this so scraping around with 100-400 and waiting Soooo long for 1.4TC. Might have to consider 800mm or the 200-600mm if it comes out in the next few years!
In Australia this lens is $27499. Very few if any photographers will be able to justify buying it. Instead, it will be the Doctors, Dentists, and Lawyers who take less photos in ten years than I do every day buying it. The inbuilt TC is a great idea though - I've seen it on the 150-400 Olympus lens as well. Would be great to see it trickle down to affordable lenses - but not sure it will be possible given diffraction issues using TC's on slower lenses.
Yes built in TCs are definitely nice.
I was just lent the z 800 6.3 on a nepal assignment loved it so fast so light so sharp
Awesome, I will get one of them soon too
Despise putting a TC on a Canon 100-500. Having to extend the lens to get it on makes an irritating operation even more so, and slower. Built-in is the future for wildlife.
Yes, it's especially painful on that lens!
Was waiting for this review. Thanks for the review. I own a Z9 but this lens is out of my budget. If I were a pro photographer, I'd jump on it.
And really amazing photos/vids. Well done, Jan.
Thank you! It's one of the best lenses I have used to date.
Thanks for the presentation, Jan. I've currently been using the Nikon Z9 with previous f-mount 600mm f/4 E FL ED VR, and this lens is definitely a want - but your video almost makes it a need. Appreciate your review of handholding through the viewfinder footage and the shots at slow "shutter" speeds. The main issue (other than price) is availability. Interestingly, the 600mm f/4 TC seems to be a bit easier to come by than the 400mm f/2.8 (year wait). Keep the videos coming. I had given up on the idea of putting anything toward this lens and selling my old one till now. LOL Good thing it is a day of rest (Sunday).
Looking forward to the new z9 video. Especially so you can explain the wide area which is then 3d with AF-ON! 😂
I will. It’s the only way I found that works well in almost all cases
Nice vid -- I have both the 600 and 400 and took both plus the 100-400 to kenya last month where I had a great time. I took over 20,000 shots and many hours of vids - but about 13,439 of these were with the 400/2.8TC and "only" 5645 were with the 600/4.0TC -- maybe this was because I focus on big cats often ion low light, we saw almost no cheetah chases and for some of the time it was very hot -- causing unacceptably high levels of heat haze when shooting at distance.
Both lenses are hand holdable on a Z9. They function almost identically - but I find the location of the control and function rings inconvenient so taped over them both. Since it had been raining grass height was often high and so being able to manually focus to look through the grass was also key -- the Z9's area AF modes do tend to grab focus on the nearest object (with SD on or without) and this can frequently be a grass stem in front of the eye/head. One has to shoot with enough DOF (typ f/8).
If I had to choose only one of these lenses it would be the 400/2.8TC - that is because small birds are very much a minority of the subject I shoot - the 400/560 gives me what I need. BUT -- YES the 600/840 is a huge advantage when you need to reach in -- but only when it is cool that heat haze does not spoil the work.
Thanks for sharing! Nice set up!
Yes, grass is a big challenge for all AF systems.
Wonderful Images Jan !! How do u compare the autofocus here to that on the R6 ii that u reviewed recently?
Overall the R6 II is much easier to use and thus has an edge imo. In saying that the Nikon AF has mostly caught up, but it not as easy to use and sometimes not as reliable
Thank you so much for this video! Mine 600 TC is preordered but I get switching thoughts because of the AF of Nikon cameras. Since the last Update (3.10) I am much happier with the Z9. I keep thinking and wait, till the 600 is waiting for me in the store. Why is there no manufacturer independent lens mount? :D
The AF has come a long way for sure.
Another Great Video. Very Annoyingly its not in my budget (crying emoji) but what an AWESOME LENS. I want it !!
Z9 is overrated for dynamic birdlife phorography, but the only true option in Nikon. 600 f4 Nikon is a great lens, I love the tc incorporated, the price is crazy thou.
Does locking/unlocking lens hood lock squeak? Mine squeaks and I have seen another video review of this lens that also squeaks - th-cam.com/video/f2hCRaXGiLU/w-d-xo.html squeaked at 13m55s and 18m15s
Great video.
Thank you.
Dors the Z8 perform as well as the Z9 with this lens?
Yes
@@jan_wegener Thank you. 🙂
It's hard not to have gear envy with a review like that. I'm envious of the lorikeets you have occasion to photograph. They look like they've been tie dyed. Wow! Another great video.
Thanks for watching Bruce. Yes the lorikeets are quite fun but dominate all other birds too
Jan I don't know if you remember it was Canon that started the built-in teleconverter with the 200 to 400 lens .
I look at it as a gimmick why not use your existing teleconverters that you have on lenses that weigh less .
That's just my input their Jan but there might be other people to feel different let's hear from them as well .
I made the Switch from Minolta in 1972 and havent looked back since >> Canon in those days were basically a Printer Copier Co
Wow what an awesome lens. Would be great if Canon came up with something similar. I will then have to consider selling a kidney to get the lens :)
That would be cool!
Now I understand Nikon's argument about the bigger Z mount.
out of the pockets of the ordinary guy...only heavy walleted pros need apply sadly.
My Z9 would love that lens, but the price simply more than I can handle.
Greatest Lens and Combo with Z9 i ever had for Wildlife ...
It sure is very nice!
I would rather go to church than use a NIKOFF
I've had mine now for about 2 months. LOVE it... Though I am struggling a little but with getting sharp images when shooting at 840mm. At 600mm it's amazing. More testing is needed. I shoot alpine ski racing so it's a little more complicated than wildlife / bif. I went with the Z9 not so much because of the body but because of the 400/2.8 TC and the 600/4 TC.. Having the builtin TC is a game changer for me. I highly doubt that Sony or Canon will re release their 400/600 primes with built TC in quite some time if ever. Nikon really did their homework when releasing the 400/600mm lens with built in TC's. I expect Canon to release a new 200-400/4TC as this is a very popular lens in the sports community
I did have a few times where the AF was slightly off with the extender at close range, but didn't happen enough to draw any conclusions from that.
Yes, I also don't think we will see TC primes from Sony or Canon soon.
For same money. I would say this is better value: Nikon Z 400 mm f/2,8 TC VR S - TC build in 1.4x = 560 mm , TC 2x = 800 mm f 5.6
But still with cost 3 x Z9 = :( this is truly working professional only lens. :)
Depends what you are photographing. For my personally 400 is too short
What focus settings are you using? Is it animal autofocus? It seems lock on to the birds so well! On my Z7ii when it seems to just randomly hunt when I have it in that mode and never seems to lock onto the birds reliably.
Yes, eye tracking for animals. The z9 is much improved in that area compared to Z7 series
Not this lens but the Nikkor 800mm 6.3 is the true killer if you are into bird photography. Truly a game changer for me.
If money were of no concern, would you still say that? I have the 800PF and consider "upgrading" to the 600/4TC.
@@biologyuppsala5389 Yes. As there is no 'upgrade' from the 800mm pf to the 600mm. With TC the sharpness is degraded and it becomes 'worse' than the 800mm. So, where is the upgrade here? Also, I am into small passerine birds, I need focal length. In case I use the 600mm almost all the time with TC on then I can also use the 800mm from beginning. The 600mm does not make sense for me. Maybe the 400mm yes, or the 400mm 4.5.
@@josefmolina3510 well the bokeh in the 800 is not great unless you manage to get an empty background. But if you never need 600 or f/4 then your choice makes sense. With 800mm there is no alternative if you get too close to a bigger bird though...
@@biologyuppsala5389 Cannot confirm this as I used also the 600mm f/4. The 800mm is lighter and with more reach. And it is sharper than the 600mm with activated TC. Bokeh wise, no complaint at all here, just compare the same scene with both lenses and you will see it. It is not 3x better than with the 800mm, if you want to compare it that way.
@@biologyuppsala5389 haven’t heard anyone say anything negative about the 800mm’s bokeh. What kind of issues do you find unpleasant with it?
Great video with impressive and engaging footage as usual. I have been a Nikon user for quite a while. I think the lens looks like a brilliant innovation. I hope other manufacturers take note. It is not the only feature they should copy from Nikon. The sensor shield and the no blackout dual stream viewfinder are also good indications of features everyone should adopt.
I have had the Z9 for about a year. It has been a steep learning curve but it is delivering on the promise of producing very pleasing results. I often find that I have so many shots in focus that I can focus on composition and creativity. I would love the 600 TC S series lens. it looks like it also adds a great deal to improving the process of taking excellent photographs. The price is however way too steep for me.
Thanks for sharing
Being a hobbyist myself I don't aim on this Lens, but Z9 is definitely in my list. Z9+Z800mm f/6.3 pf is my dream combo.
Cameras are obsolite for 1 year or less while lenses will serve you whole life if you keep them properly. My advise is to invest more in lenses, not cameras.
I currently have the 800mm its an amazing lens and performs well, can fault it even though its a 6.3
Yes, the 800 looks to be a great lens, too. I will get one in the next couple months
My intention in the near future is to buy the Nikon Z 600 mm F6.3 , That one is one third cheaper and very easy to handle I have the Nikon Z9 and it can handle higher iso very well In the Netherlands I can buy one for 5799 Euro and the Nikon Z 600 mm F4 costs 17.249 Euro , almost triple the price of the Nikon Z 600 F6.3
That lens is excellent for sure
Nice video!
Which camera would you recommend to photograph swallows and swifts?
Z9 or R6 I?
Af wise canon may have a slight edge, but 20mpix for tiny birds is likely not enough
@@jan_wegener thank you
And which camera do you think has got better iso performance z9 or r5?
@@jazinzlaty4823 I think the R5 may have a slight edge, but after denoising it’s pretty similar
@@jan_wegener I thought so
I’m Nikon shooter but this yer might switch to canon or sony
Will see what cameras coming this year
Thank you
Stunning Video as ever, Jan. Many Thanks for yet another great release. Unfortunately with the use of an obvious click bait title, I have but 1 concern. You did't answer your own Question!
Normal Hardworking "Hobbyist" photographers of course cannot, nor will not spend that ridiculous amount on a lens. Clearly a Pro photographer many be able to add such a thing to their camera bag. Would You switch?
Cause I don’t have a clear answer yet. I am very tempted but I’d like to see what Nikons next cameras will be and what the R1 will be like.
The image stabilisation alone would make this worthwhile for me
Great video as usual... I am hoping Nikon will bring this built in TC to its pf lens ranges sometime soon 😊
Waiting for the Z9 setting video
That would be cool!
I would certainly be interested if Sony updated the 200-600 with an inbuilt 1.4 teleconverter.
And yes a built in teleconverter on other lenses would be brilliant (if affordable). I hate swapping TC's around - its such a nuisance. P.s. Out of interest what plate do you use for the lens foot. And do you have a video on travel tripods or recommendations at all for lightweight foldable ones?
I think in this video I used a Wimberley Lens Plate.
Tripod for a big lens like this?
The problem with Nikon vs Canon or Sony is now depreciation. Anything you buy from Nikon will be worth less than 1/2, compared to Sony or Canon. They're just too far behind in the marketshare to catch up. Investing in the Z system is insane.
Hey it’s Fulcrum’s burner. More FUD per usual. Nothing you post is even near the realm of reality.
I wish Canon would’ve released the RF600 with a built in TC but if they priced it the same as the Nikon I’m not sure I would’ve replaced my EF 600 II.
So do I. What amazed me the most on this lens is the VR.
Nikon always produced killer wildlife combos. This one is no exception. Eventually they will dominate that market again as with DSLRs.
They really need to step up the camera game. The lens line up for wildlife is sick!
Give the Z8 15fps mechanical and 30 electronics, same body system and buttons like the Z9 but without inbuilt grip,make all the buttons customizable,make the dedicated af button switchable (not needing to tap on it and rotate a dial),add zebra stripping for exposure monitoring ,4k is enough,dual cfexpress type B card slots,even an improved af over the Z9 and grip also available on release .
And sit back to enjoy a huge success.
Thanks for the info Jan, Question If you had to choose between the 600 f/4 or the 400 2.8 mirrorless lenses which one would you choose? Thanks
For me personally I always chose a 600. 400 is just way too short for me
Awesome review mate, when does your copy turn up 🙂 That really does look like the ultimate lens, I hope Canon watch this. Cheers, Duade
Hehe, not yet, but it’s hard to forget about it 😢😆
Thank for the video, I have a question about the lens grip.there is different screw size. What model of plate is needed to accept the two screw threads. Thank you
normally the lens plates come with an insert that can come into the bigger screw hole, so you have to similar sized holes
What I like about this review is that there is no Canon vs. Nikon bickering. I am a big fan of TCs. Being able to utilize a TC custom made for that lens by the flip of a switch is one of the smartest lens features. Apart from Zoom lenses. Zoom lenses can’t be made with apertures and image quality like fixed lenses.
Good point. I think as photographers, we are all blessed with the gear each brand offers.
All the brands are good in the end and each brand has some standouts the others don't have, like this Nikkor lens for instance. I use the gear that serves me well, but I am not attached to any brand and want to share my honest opinions with you. otherwise, what's the point.
Hey Jan, I am a young wildlife photographer and I was wondering if you could give me any tips about selling me work. I am planning to sell prints online, although I do not know how to edit my images.
Thanks
Learning that would be the first step. If it comes to selling something you need and USP, something that makes you unique and offers value to people
Nice shots.. What's with the blown out whites?
I'm sorry. What is that German word at 8:00? "Gahadenschatt"? You refer to the dark areas in the background, I presume. But I can't find that word in my online dictionary (I'm sure I've misspelled it). Thanks.
As for the lens: I could never afford it but as a Canon shooter, I think it would be nice if Canon offered something like this.
Haha, garden shed
@@jan_wegener 🤦🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️ 😂😂
At those price ranges, built in teleconverters should have been standard issue
Heck they should include both the 1.4 and 2.0 teleconverters in the same lens
That would be nice, but it would also get quite long and heavier
Thank you for your video and especially for the field test, dream combo !
If we compare the Canon RF 600mm f4 and this fabulous lens you just tested at 600mm, in terms of image quality only, for you which one is the winner?
Ah ja, I am clearly suffering from GAS but I have an excuse. My wife wants my Nikkor Z 800mm 6.3 for her own birding. So, I need a new lens, I will get the Nikkor Z 600mm 4.0 today. Sounds reasonable excuse, right? Just kidding but really get the Nikkor Z 600mm 4.0 today. Enjoyable time ahead!
Is use my Canon 100-400is ii with my Z6ii with the fringer ef-nz and i cant notice any difference versus native lenses. I recently received my Z8 and the adapter works even better with this camera.i know people perhaps are reluctant to adapting lenses across brands but this adapter really is a breakthrough. Not making a comercial. I do own mostly nikon f and z lenses.
Hi is there a way to do comparison on a few of the canon cameras? I have the r6 and am thinking of going to either the r3 or the newer)r6m 11 or waiting for the r5 m11 to come out rumored this year. Also I am shooting (it seems) mostly in the 600 + range (I have a sigma lens with a converter and an extension)- could you suggest a mirrorless lens as an alternative. mostly handehld and the sigma lens is a beast... - birds, horses, landscape, travel . (birds mostly for the far away lens :)
I am Nikon schootter and will definitely buy this lens. There is out of question for an amateur photographer to think about switching the system. Way to expensive.
Canon Nikon and Sony will stay in the market. All three brands are great.
Great video, unfortunately I’d have to sell my house for the z9 and 600 combo I also believe that canon will follow with a 600 with teleconverter
Makes such sense or on teleconverter switch annoying having to change out the tele for speed changing angle and getting colours in the background like really adds interest and pop.lens drool lol
Thanks Jan, for me to buy this lens I would have to give up eating for a few years😅👀👀
Nikon for the WIN, you should def switch! Nikon is a trendsetter and innovator. :)
Jan, which lens setting did you use in pure raw 3 for the pics you took with the 600tc?
It doesn’t yet have this lens and I wasn’t sure whether using the ‘f’ mount setting was suitable.
Thanks.
Glenn.
I turned it off
Thanks. 👍
Great objective, hands on review. Thank you!
It seems more and more each brand has enough going for them that you can't go wrong, they all have strengths and weaknesses. It's just down to picking a camera that fits "how" you like to shoot.
Well said
Nice to try out on my Nikon Z9 but here in Ireland my order of the Z mount 400mm TC f2.8 lens and Z mount 600mm f4 I'm still waiting on
Yes the wait times are a bit of a bummer
@@jan_wegener Ordered the first few days of the Z400mmf2.8 lens announcement and fully paid for but still on back order here in Ireland
If Canon would come out with an equivalent lens it would definitely cost more than Nikon.
possible
And the switch would be on the wrong side like the 200-400
Yes indeed! I want one but when the heck are we going to be able to buy one. It's always out of stock. Same with the new 85mm lens. It's pretty hard to stay with them if they make you wait sooooooo long to buy stuff. Come on NIKON get the stuff out!!! Great video Jan and thanks for sharing...
Yes availability is a bit frustrating
Nice video and lens! Any news on Canon tele zoom lenses?
I'll make a video this week :)
Hallo Jan. Sehr praktisch, was Nikon mit dem integrierten TC geschafft hat. Nun sollte aber endlich ein neuer Body folgen, der unterhalb der Z9 trotzdem die Motiverkennung und den AF der Z9 mitbringt. Die Objektive gibt es nun , es fehlen weitere Kameras, die leichter und etwas günstiger sind. Gruß aus D. Jörg.
Da stimme ich dir zu
The lenses are not available- at least in the USA - people are on wait lists for over a year now…
Finally the video I've been waiting for
Took a while to make and edit 😀
Well, Jan, although I'm subscribed to your channel, I have been a Nikon shooter since whenever the FE came out, your content is always informative and have learnt many skills and ideas here,
Now I'm not sure I will get enough cash for this 78 year old kidney to buy (order) the 600 f4s,
My Tamron 150- 600 G1 not working on the Z9, so looks like the boat gets sold :)
Absolutely stunning images and PP BTW !
............... Gary
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Thanks Gary. It is a tempting lens
Hey, Jan, Nikon hardly started a trend of built in teleconverters! In fact, the 1st such lens was the old, manual focus Canon FD 1200mm 1.4X. But that was a special order only.... And not many were ordered as they were super expensive.
The first production lens with built in TC was another Canon... The EF 200-400mm 1.4X. Nikon copied that with their F mount 180-400mm 1.4X.
All that aside, I do think we will see more lenses with built in TC. But unless I win a lottery I'll never own one! I drew a line at $10,000, which only got me an EF 500mm f/4L IS USM, around 20 years ago 😢
I am sure Canon has various RF lenses on the drawing board... But they really need to launch and answer to the Z9 first. The Canon R3 is a formidable camera in many respects. But let's be honest... 24MP just isn't the same as 46MP! The need for a Canon R1 is getting more urgent every day! It needs to be 45 to 60MP with at least a BSI sensor. A global shutter would be even better!
Let's call it recent trend then :D
We do need an R1 for sure.
The rumours are very strong that Nikon will launch a Z8 in the next month and is expected to be lighter than the Z9. That could be an interesting prospect for those who are only put off by the Z9’s weight.
Indeed!
I have been shooting wildlife and birds for a long time using Canon's 100-400 4.5-5.6 and a 500 f4 (with and without 1.4 teleconverter) as my basic gear. Those lenses followed me to mirrorless via adapters. Been pretty happy with that setup, but I have to tell you, the new Nikon 180-600 5.6-6.3 is a sweet lens. Though I am not a brand swapper, I do have to wonder why every other manufacturer can come out with a similar lens, all under two grand, and the best Canon can do is a slower (at the long end...the end that counts) 100-500 4.5-7.1 for a thousand dollars more! Nice lens, no doubt, but come on! If you want to touch 600mm in a sub $2,000.00 lens from Canon, you are looking at a 600mm f11. F11!
The 100-500 is a better 100-400, then it makes a lot of sense. Hopefully Canon will introduce something else
hey Jan Wegener, with your very Dutch name :). Great video. I won't be buying the 600 anytime soon because I bought the 100-400 yesterday. Still, it's thanks to great creative and technically very experienced photographers like you, that I get to form some conclusive predictions about the working of lenses, their handling, their character, and what they could do for me and in my work.
So, the 100-400 is part of this same family of Z tele glass as the 600. I've been working with it for exactly one day now. I love myself for having bought it, finally, based on a huge pile of information thanks to content makers like you.
One remark about teleglass that I'd like to make is that it's never 'lightweight', but always heavy, even while some Z-lensen weigh less than their F-counterparts. You don't notice that weight so much because of the fantastic VR indeed, that damps out a lot of the fine corrections you'd otherwise make while pointing, following and focusing subjects under extended full concentration, and that can wear you down. These lenses are not lightweight but they certainly feel that way once you put them to your eye. Both ways, I think, you get a lot of substance for your buck.
The 100-400 is a great lens. I made video a bout it a while ago.
Olympus have a zoom lens with built in TC. and it plays nice when stacking TCs to get to 2000mm. I understand you are only interesting in fullframe though, shame.
I wouldn't say I am. I have tried a few times to get that lens for a video, but no luck so far.
I just wanted to say again how much I enjoy and learn from your videos, even the gear review-oriented ones that feature lenses I won’t be able to own (at least any time soon). Seeing your settings, techniques, and results well-sprinkled throughout all videos is so helpful.
Oh, and if I ever win the lottery, this lens is #1 on my list for splurge purchases. What an amazing offering by Nikon.
Great to hear!
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Thanks a lot!
Looks amazing but you should mention it will take over a year to get the lens for us normal people. I ordered the Z400 2.8 in March of 2022 (yes over a year ago!!!) and have not received it, they have no idea when it will ship, and cannot even get a rough estimate on when I will get it.
Yes availability is a big issue. It seems it varies quite a bit depending on country
Nice review, I'm waiting for my 600mm to be fulfilled, hopefully getting a loaner for my trip to Costa Rica in just under 2 weeks time.
Fingers crossed!
The only 600mm lenses that I could possibly afford are the (something)-600mm zooms. So whether a 600mm prime has an inbuilt extender or not, is of no real interest to me.
fair enough ;)
Wish I could afford that lens!
Definitely very pricy!
One thing you might not track but which would be helpful for reviews would be stats on how many pictures you took, how many you considered potentially usable, and how many you picked to edit immediately. Compared across camera & lens combos that could give a more objective idea of how good the AF is. Of course some of that is dependent on the photographer's skill, and some is dependent on the behavior of the birds, so it's not perfect.
I probably took right around 20k images.
I did not keep less or more than I’d normally keep with my canon gear.
The main difference I noticed was that I missed the 40fps of the R6 II in situations like the fighting stilts. It does give you more options of wing positions etc.
once the AF hit it was pretty good. If anything it sometimes missed and I did not even get to take photos on that particular scene
Thanks for the video, just more camera equipment that I'm unable to afford. 😢😢😢😢😢 I'm glad that nikon is is stepping up their game and hopefully they will release new bodies with the autofocus abilities of the z9.😀
fingers crossed!
Thank you for your amazing reviews!!
I realized that you are still using Deeprime in Pureraw 3, is it just because of the banding you sometimes get in deeprime XD or are there any other reasons?
Yes I find xd a bit too aggressive at times. I don’t need it super smooth
For birding, it is hard to argue against your raised points, and results. So maybe this is the ideal set up?
It’s comes pretty close