PLEASE NOTE: I didn't mean any offence in this video to Christian Vander or the music of Magma. 1. Sesame Street comparisons are the NOT a diss. The house band was made up of the best studio musicians on offer including people like Nile Rodgers. Listen back to 70's/80's Sesame Street music... it ain't no joke AT ALL. 2. Giggling... I actually started thinking ABOUT Sesame Street and all my nostalgia wrapped up in that show as a kid. I wasn't laughing AT the music created by Magma. As you were...
Not only that but working from the perspective that music is helpful as a mnemonic device. Singing your ABC's as an American, for example, since I'm not sure what other countries use for their language memory retrieval devices, but music sure seems to be helpful for it. That all being said, you're right. I think people imagine the simplicity of shows like Barney and Friends, which they may remember were simplistic musical arrangements, but the early years of Sesame Street was loaded with new education concepts brought about from the critical theory proponents of the 60s and early 70s. Definitely not a diss to say that music from the 70s, especially music directed toward childrens' education, should somehow be shamed or thought about as a stigma.
I think Magma enthusiasts won't be angry after you for that Sesame Street reference since original Sesame Street had great musicians and, in another Magma piece named "de Futura", a lot of comments were people who thought it sounds like "The home improvement" theme, so...
i''m obsessed with that Zombie performance, love its relentless hypnotic energy, but i laughed out loud at your reference! there should always be room for spontaneous humour :)
And a mental vocalist, too - watch the full performance of 'Zess' from the Bobino gig, it's just mad; at one point he's singing Kobaian (sp?) lyrics in perfect unison with a guitar solo.
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I am so proud, that there are REAL musicians like Christian Vander out on this planet. He is one of my biggest inspirations of my lifetime. Listening to him reminds me on what music could and can be, if we dedicate our lifes to it.Thank you Christian.
It's hard to categorize Magma. Christian Vander the classically trained drummer vocalist leader invented his own language called Kobaian. Yes there is a Miles Bitches Brew inspired vibe. But Vander sites Coltrane has one of the inspiration for his music. I was born in 61' and thought I've seen heard it all until someone turned me to them 22 years ago. I saw them on my 50th birthday NYC at the highline ballroom. The drum school Drummers Collective NYC had many poeple there that night to witness this masterful drummer.To this day only Magma and Hellborg,Lane and Sipe have made me jump out of my seat ectatically. Saw both John McLaughlin, Allan Holdsworth live and although superb musicians who I enjoy immensly walked away feeling very uninspired. If you get the chance to see Magma don't pass it up. Christian I believe is in his early 70's and shows no signs of slowing down. Thank you Christian for you energy.
Bitches Brew is one of my all-time favourites, tho' Tony Williams didn't play on that. I agree it's hard to categorise Magma: somewhere between Carl Orff, fusion-jazz-rock, prog, a hyper-ventilated Atom Heart Mother Suite and curiously particular branches of relentless psychedelic trance ('Forest Psy', 'hi-tech') recall similar hypnotic energies to Magma...something about the mystical otherworldly energy & vibe feels related.
Christian vander quote of the day! "in the early seventies, when i hit a symbal, i really felt as if i was killing a person in front of me." He is one of the best!
The 2005 line up of Magma was probably one of their best line ups ever, and this recording of Zombies is maybe one of the best versions of this song. I love the point in this reaction video, when your initial fun about the mismatched hihat moves to apprecciation of the energetic and charismatic hi speed drumming.
The prog rabbit hole would be very deep indeed. I don't think there is any King Crimson yet on the channel? And that's a drummers' band, especially in the latest incarnation with three drummers and also regarding Andrew's love of Gavin Harrison.
@@ugerhard totally agree, I saw KC a few years ago with the three drummer set up and its mind blowing. Each drummer is super musical, they dont step on each others toes and they all got places to shine individually.
Wrong pick here sorry. As a Magma fan since 1990 who's seen more than 30 live performances, and at the risk of being conspued by other Magma fans, I believe Vander who's now in his 70s is not at 1/10th the drummer he was in his prime ( 1970-1980 ). He's lost both the physical possibilities and the madness he had at the time. 3 things come to mind : 1. as a drummer, should you want to check out his skills, listen to De Futura from the Udu Wudu album version ( and only this one ) and you will be blown away by both the genre and his approach to syncopated drumming. Check out too if you can find it to his live solo called Ptah where he sings the patterns he's goins to play next and you'll have to acknowledge he was then one of the top drummers in the world. 2. Should you want to check both his skills and madness, check out the live televised version of Hhaï from the french programm called Le Grand Echiquier. Not the best Hhaï version ever but all the musicians were really mad at the time. You'll like the guy dressed as a toad with gloves falling from his shoulders. Vander's singing is great too in this performance. 3. Should you want to check out why Magma is considered by some like the most avant-garde french rock group ever, check out Kohntark ( 35 minutes ) from the Magma Live ( 1975 ) album and be prepared for an incredible musical experience. IMHO Kohntark remains Magma's best musical achievement of their history, mixing rock, jazz and classical music with Orff, Wagner and Stravinsky inspirations but in their own way. Beware : should you let yourself be taken, you will not come back the same from Magma's universe.
The Live version of Kohntarz is my favorite piece of music ever ( in a tie with Vaughn Williams’ “Fantasia on a Theme By Thomas Tallis”). I believe you are missing an influences … and thereby hangs a tale you might like. I inadvertently wrote the liner notes for the U.S. version of Udu Wudu, in that distributor just grabbed the first chunk of my review of Magma Live for the Harvard Independent (which began “Imagine the perfect jazz-rock drummer”). Years later when the new version of the band played NYC (first U.S. gig I was aware of) I drove down from the Boston suburbs with a Magma-curious platonic blind date and got there comfortably before sound check. I brandishing my copy of the album as I.D. and was soon backstage sitting opposite Christian and Stella, mini-recorder at the ready. Stella explained who I was in French and Christian went wide-eyed, and (before or after autographing the album) got up and walked to the other side of backstage, returning with a well-used drumstick for me. All I remember now from the interview is that I verified he that he was a Bartok fan -- a big one, based on his response -- and when I asked him what his favorite piece was I was able to translate “Music for Strings, Percussion and Celeste” on my own, and cut off Stella in my excitement. (The passage that reminds of Bartok, perhaps for no good reason, is the dual melodies in the segment that starts a bit before the 10 minute mark. But Music for Strings… is minimalist in a way that his more obvious influences are not.) For sound check the band played the trickiest turnaround at the end of Kohntarz while nonchalantly smoking cigarettes, and it was more exciting than 95% of the real performances I’ve seen (and that’s well over a thousand). Needless to say the actual concert was and remains the best thing I’ve ever seen and heard. The blind date covered three meals and 20 or 21 hours and we never saw each other again! And the interview is somewhere in my house, as I made the mistake of putting it in a special place and then forgetting what that was. Some day ...
This makes me so happy, Christian is a unique and brilliant drummer. Ive seen magma twice and they are 2 of the best, if not THE best ive attended. Imagine listening to for 2 hours straight. Trancelike state of mind. Almost spiritual.
Christian is a very unique, special drummer, musician, composer. Always countering the groove. What strikes me in this particular piece is the consistent emphasis on the off-beat. Both in the pulse-sized rythmical units as in the longer riff cycles. It makes the music float in the air. Kick and snare constantly and alternating on the off-beat.
The first couple of Magma albums are pretty typical early '70s jazz fusion, but by their third album Mekanik Destruktiw Kommandoh they'd fully committed to the whole "Kobaian" concept and aesthetic and transformed into something unique, the style they called zeuhl (pronounced more like "tsoil"). Despite some changing personnel (though always anchored by Christian Vander on drums, and with his wife Stella leading the chorus), they stuck with it up until an attempt to go pop (which almost everybody acknowledges was a bad idea) in the early '80s and broke up. Vander put together a new incarnation of the band in the 2000s with a mix of old and new members. Most of their material is from the '70s but they have recorded some newer material. For something so odd they've been pretty influential. Several other bands have adopted the zeuhl style, mostly in Europe (Zao, Eskaton, Weidorje, Shub-Niggurath), but Japanese drummer Yoshida Tatsuya's projects Ruins and Koenjihyakkei. American drummer Zach Hill (Hella, Death Grips) is also a devotee, though his bands aren't zeuhl (they're math-rock and experimental hip-hop). Vander has also had side projects like Offering and the Christian Vander Trio, which are more straight-ahead jazz. Bassist Jannick Top has done a lot of session work, including for Bonnie Tyler and Celine Dion of all people.
I saw this band at their first ever London concert, in 1974 at the Roundhouse, halfway thru a whole day concert lineup, totally unknown here but amazing, by far the most intense concert i have ever been to, playing what was a combination of Carl Orff and Wagnerian opera in their own invented space language Kobaiian, with a driving jazzrock accompaniment with Vander exploding on drums. Alongside Stella Vander, was original singer Klaus Blasqviz, a vocal range wider than Athur Brown (I am the God of Hellfire) from a Tibetan monk's croak to high falsetto, at times falsetto duetting with Christian Vander, this from an imposing tall guy with huge black cloak, big black beard, striding around playing a wide rack of percussion, and a fierce small ball of energy in bass player Yannik Top. They played the Mekanik Destruktiv Commandoh sequence, a lot of successively building waves and climaxes, completely hypnotic and overwhelming, i watched many people around me going into trance states, and people tripping on acid looked quite blown away and deranged. I have never seen anything remotely so inrense, compelling, powerful, way beyond the 'Double Trio' King Crimson, circa 1999. At the end, i had to leave, missing two favourite bands on later including Caravan, and sit for 2-3 hours in the sun in Primrose Hill, a little nearby hilltop city park, getting over the whole experience, thinking wtf, wtf, wtf !. Then I saw them a week later at the famous Marquee Club in Wardour Street, also intense but a very different feel closeup in a small intimate rock club. There is a lot of concert footage from the whole of Magna's half century history, and you can see the diverse range of musicians, many virtuosos, who have passed through the band, (rather like Zappa's lineups), people really should check this out. But it is not for the faint-hearted: if you like full on music, go for it!
Hello, i'm french and i'm 64 years old. I have seen and heard Magam/Christian Vander, for the first time, in august 1972 at Sanary-sur-mer in south of France, i was 14 years old !... A BIG BIG CHOK 4 ever !... then i saw and heard Magma/Christian Vander more than 40 concerts in France. Ps : my second LOVE was Prince (Sign'O the times at Paris Bercy in 1987, Lovesexy 1988, 3 concerts, at same place, and in Minneapolis at the Bunker's for Cinthya Johnson's birthday, and i visited Paisley Park, during Eastern 1989). Vander - Prince : The 2 Great Music Maestro of the XX-XXI centuries, sure. God bless "U"
Cannot give this enough likes. Huge Magma fan here! Last time I´ve seen them live was october 2019 in Brussels. Simply amazing! Christian Vander is an extraordinary musician. He can sing too. Check out their composition "Zëss" live. Da Zeuhl Wortz Mëkanïk!
I was at this gig , travelled over to Paris with a few mates. Fantastic ✨ That was an extended version of zombies , which first appeared on studio album udu Wudu in 1976. Composed by drummer Christian vander.
It's surprising how many drummers haven't heard of Vander. Nothing slick or cute about his playing. I love a guy who can kick the shit out of an 18" bass drum.
As I understand, cult movie director Alejandro Jodorowsky was working on a film adaptation of Frank Herbert's "Dune" in the early 1970s. For music, he eventually decided that Pink Floyd would compose pieces for House Atriedes, and Magma for House Harkonnen. I always think of "Zombies" as the theme music for the First battle of Arrakeen where house Atriedes is defeated and Duke Leto captured.
You would probably be right, because HR Giger did the cover for that release and he also worked on the pre production Art for the Jodorowsky Dune film at same time.
Andrew, some additional thoughts. Christian Vander has stated that if given the choice between drums or cymbals, he would take cymbals. The reason for the mismatched cymbals for his hi-hat is that the sound it creates is exactly what he wants- and Vander has often been called the fastest left foot in rock. He will never play any song the same way twice, always finding ways to improvise and change meter and beat and accent. It is sometimes amazing to watch. Watch this short clip for Vander in full flight (after the bass solo): th-cam.com/video/8oGJYLv9DFY/w-d-xo.html And I am so sad to say that the guitarist in your clip and the one I post here, James Mac Gaw, died only 2 months ago after a long bout of brain cancer. He was just 56 and a hellaciously talented guitar player. He leaves behind a wife and child and a legion of fans who knew him from Magma and other bands he played in.
That's so sad to hear about James I had been hoping for a long time to see him return, thanks for mentioning. I need to watch my favorite of his the 2005 Zess. RIP
Thanks for the video, this is my favorite band and i've seen them 12 times in 25 years. I can only advise you to see them on stage and you'll experience something extra ordinary, a pure expression of creativity and passion.
I was at several Magma concerts. At one concert Christian Vander at first only sang and played piano, and some other band member played drums. Then they switched seats, and suddenly the drums were much louder; Vander is a real skin basher. At one point he started a drum solo. I looked at my watch because I wanted to know how long his solo would be. It lasted for 45 minutes. Yes, no typo - 45 minutes! And the best thing about it - while with most drummers this would have been incredibly boring Vander managed to keep it interesting all the time; the solo was not boring for a second.
@@AndrewRooneyDrums I,m 40 past... I saw them maybe 30 times, and man, everytime it's a unique experience... hopefully you will be able to see them after all this covid shit ;) aMagma show is a day to remember
the beat, the constant progressions instead of hard cuts and breaks and fills and verse chorus verse, reminds me a lot of contemporary electronic music, like, say, underworld, the orb, or chemical brothers... krautrocky :)
Thank you for this video! The bass player in my band introduced me to Magma and so excited to have tix to go see them as an 11 piece band in London next year. Anyone intrigued by this I recommend checking out their extensive catalogue. He is a great drummer but the depth of creativity in Vander's composition is what really blows me away.
Hello Andrew, and thank you for presenting Magma! Frankly, you don't tackle Magma "like that" in seconds. There is a time to adapt, a bit like going into Space! But once you've entered the world of Magma, then it's addictive, enjoyable, like a kind of trance ... Musically, Magma takes us to another planet. Power, "madness", it grows all the time as they say ... There would be too much to say. This group is a kind of extreme musical school from which guys like Didier Lockwood and so many others have come. I saw this group in concert several times, at different times, the first in Lyon (France), more than 35 years ago. It’s always a very special, very addicting show. You just have to let go, accept to enter into this unique atmosphere. The style of this exceptional drummer was in the past much jazz-rock, jazz-fusion, and his drum set was much more fleshed out (he even had 2 huge gongs placed behind him). A pure treat! A huge power output, a vista, a rhythm and a style very personal, unique, enjoyable! Christian Vander was a fan of Coltrane. Vander plays a lot with silences, he suggests ... But rather than words, notes, and a few suggestions which I think will appeal to you and perhaps please you. 1 / "De Futura", you have to concentrate on the drum playing (the extraordinary bass too) which is downright powerful and original (the melody can be shocking!). Monstrous? Yes! And personally, I find the drums playing really amazing! th-cam.com/video/HAkSVTDfBVE/w-d-xo.html 2 / "I Must Return" th-cam.com/video/0eVP0rvomlE/w-d-xo.html 3 / “The last Seven Minutes” To see and listen (loud!) Especially from 4'15 minutes to 6.15 minutes! th-cam.com/video/VnsfdK96inc/w-d-xo.html 4 / “Fusion” with Didier Lockwood & Jannick Top in particular. th-cam.com/video/UIQd7Q5_AWM/w-d-xo.html
Christian Vander can literally keep the beat with out hitting the drums and spontaneously jump in at any moment just right on the continually track as follows... Something most drummers don't have & know about.. originally rock jazzy type of style I'm amazed.🥁✌️😵👍
I was born in France , my father was Christian’s friend and I grew up listening his “crazy” music , and working on his drumming will learning drums , Vander is an amazing and really original drummer , composer, and musician . I know magma can be a bit disturbing but Listen de futura , it’s just an amazing piece of art
I saw Magma a few years ago in Toronto...their music is definitely something to be experienced live, the repetition and crescendos move some air. Euphoric and powerful. Trying to find where the phrases resolve and where one was sometimes impossible. His more drumistic playing is in the late 70s, he hears things differently for sure.
Wow, I wouldn’t offend Vander. You have possibly already got a Kobian curse surrounding you and anyone you’ve ever loved. See them live. Genuinely change the space they inhabit. Terrifying and wonderful in equal portions
Heppy you had an episode on Magma. A must for an open-minded drummer ! Vander is amazing drummer & composer who translated Elivin Jones & Coltrane's trance into a new genre, incredible pieces where rhythm is at heart of the music. You can check out this extract with camera angles only focused on the drumkit here th-cam.com/video/Y__1rD1FfQU/w-d-xo.html
Christian Vander is The BEST DRUMMER EVER. Also, the founder of 50+yeasrs old and still active best band on this planet called MAGMA. One of the most innovative and open-minded composers of XX century. A really great vocalist. A philosopher and do not forget good cooking skills :3
As a listener, I love the 1970s progressive rock underground European scene. Univers Zero, Aksak Maboul from Belgium, Art Zoyd, Etron Fou Leloublan, Magma from France, Henry Cow / Art Bears from England, Area, Stormy Six from Italy and many others... Vander created a language and a music highly influenced by classical and jazz especially Coltrane. Maybe Sun Ra and other avant garde musicians... As a person who has watched some of your videos, I didn't like your attitude in this Magma reaction video. Yeah their music is a little weird, but it should not be forgotten that this single was made in the mid 1970s. I also read your description but I cant say I'm ok ! Best regards from Turkey
Funny that you said that this was a long one, as it's just one small part of narrative piece (this being the journey into the underworld section) that goes close to an hour. And that's just one part of a trilogy (the Kohntarkosz Trilogy, a Magma take on Egyptian mythology) that goes for well over two hours.
Idk, you'd have to pretty far up your own... to not appreciate that MAGMA can come across as pretty silly and weird. That being said, I also think your sesame street comparison is on point, it's exactly the same 70's sort of hippie-new-age vibe of desperately reinventing the wheel and trying to find new ways to communicate (or educate kids or whatever they were trying to do), leading to all sorts of strange cultural artifacts, like this made up language/vocal style.
I saw Magma for the first time in 1975 (!). Absolutely mind blowing- especially for that time.. At the beginning of the 70’ , there where only 2 bands on this planet that had that «cosmic fusion » energy: MAGMA & The Mahavishnu Orchestra (Live !: « Between nothingness and eternity »)🙏🏻🤗
Hi CK ! I saw Magma 5 times between 1976 and 1981 and also The Mahavishnu Orchestra in 73 or 74, I cant remember. I loved this band, even if some passages were too long, useless and pretty boring. Alas I missed King Crimson, an other fabulous prog-rock band ! (I saw Bill Brufford with Genesis in 76, but in a totally different musical universe as you imagine...)
Ahhhhh, enfin ! Andrew you are the best, le grand Christian Vander, the fabulous Christian, a mad fabulous man, he has created a language , kobaien , an incredible concept, you must listen his 70 ´s record, when he was 20, so so more powerfull ansd crazy like billly cobham.A great musician , a legend vive Magma !
love Magma, found out about them because apparently Christian Vander is Zach Hill's favorite drummer and when a crazy beast like zach says something like that I can't resist checking it out
All composed, Andrew. All of Magma is- and you should look at some of his other videos- where he really takes the drums apart. Kohtarkosz is key. th-cam.com/video/QTucmvIEbbg/w-d-xo.html
To this day Stella has the voice of an sngel. The current bass player is a monster. For me It's soul music, like Coltrane, Pharaoh Sanders and others, it transports you to a higher realm. My wife? Not when she's home. Lol
@@AndrewRooneyDrums I'm gonna see them the 6th of november For their 50th anniversary in my town (Rennes), I already have a "demi-molle", as we say here
Hats off to you for exploring complex stuff like Magma. Not easy listening for most people. Just an interesting tidbit: Neil Kernon, the famous English producer who worked on several of the early Magma records in the early 70's, is now, as a senior citizen no less, known for producing mostly death metal bands like Nile and Cannibal Corpse :)
The music is very different but I think your right his sound on the drums has a Tony Williams vibe. He personally is my favourite drummer he can make that kit sound as good as any of the other instruments.
Thanks, Andrew, for doing that :-) Regarding the weird vocals: Those are actually in a made up language that Vander created together with the first vocalist of the band as they thought their native French didn't have to right "sound" for their music.
Even if their music is recognizable among a thousand, each of their albums is a different experience! Don't forget to see them in concert, experience it, their new formation (with Jannik Top's son on bass) is very promising. Christian Vander with all the respect I owe him, is no longer everything young, so jump quickly at a chance!
I've seen Elvin many times and I can definitely see a bit of him in Christian. I get your Tony hi hat reference too, Andy. I've seen Tony many times as well. I was lucky to see all the great jazz drummers as I grew up. Gotta thank my Dad for taking me to see everyone that came to town (San Fran).
@@AndrewRooneyDrums you should try with "Premiata Forneria marconi", it is an Italian progressive rock band from the 70's, their drummer is exceptional
Magma has generally has always a string of amazing bass players but Philippe Bussonnet probably one of the most underrated. Here's him playing a piece by written by another previous bass player in the band, Jannick Top. th-cam.com/video/4-3gkIe1oBs/w-d-xo.html
The part that you were reacting to is 'Zombies' so I guess it's certainly intentionally spooky... 'Hhaï', the much longer song before, is in contrast very bright, and also shows Vander's ability, style, skills as a singer.
Definitely jazz. The drummer was playing hard-bop style. The bass player was playing all kinds of notes and groving hard. The rest of the band followed the very strange singing. Your movie analogy was spot on
I see and hear your point with Sesame Street music. I get a similar vibe and Magma makes me smile for that reason, although most people regard them as scary with their artificial language and the choruses. I also get a slight Zappa vibe. Interesting for sure!
Great reaction. I got a real good laugh out of it. Laughter is good medicine not disrespect. Hurry up and get to that Adam Jarvis-concrete beast reaction. I can’t wait. 😀
Thanx for this. Sure you'll enjoy some more Magma's music. Vander composed 2 "Trilogias" between 1970 and 1976 : Theusz Hamtaahk and Emehnnteht-Rê. First one includes this tracks : Theusz Hamtaahk - Wurdah Itah - Mekanik Destruktiw Kommandoh. You can enjoy the live version in Trianon 2000 on YT which is to me one of a perfect. Then, you may send an ear to the second one "'E-Rê", which includes Kohntarkosz Anteria - Kohntarkosz and Emehnntêht-Rê (Zombies is taken of this one). A live version exists in DVD. Here are some links I still enjoy and listen to : "Kohntarkosz" (1974 - 2005 version) : th-cam.com/video/QTucmvIEbbg/w-d-xo.html Theusz Hamtaahk (Trianon - 1973 - 2000 version) th-cam.com/video/rbXi7WN5n-c/w-d-xo.html De Futura (18 min) built on 4th ads : th-cam.com/video/vzyOi5XRu_g/w-d-xo.html Ah, and Zess (which is supposed to be "the end of it all") (composed in 1979 - 2005 version) ! th-cam.com/video/eeVNwkPAcrU/w-d-xo.html (30 minutes on 2 chords and a groovy kind of huh... fury ?) Love from France.
LOOOOOVE Goblin. I got the same vibe! Saw them do the Suspiria score live, the year before last, with the film playing behind them. Such a cool experience!
Sitting here eating my grandson’s Sweet Tarts watching this near midnight...the thought that kept crossing my mind .... “Zappa did bad acid and started composing..”
That was the wrong video, he needs to see (many versions of) Stöah to really experience Christian Vander and be driven crazy with Vander's out of this world craziness, and drum faces too. Magma is by far my favorite band, so far is my appreciation for Magma, that, even though I'm a big fan of Zappa, most prog groups, most jazz greats, but Magma for me is on another level altogether, for me they can only be compared to Beethoven, Bach, Wagner, Prokofiev, Stravinsky,Messiaen, etc. I have a floor tom REMO skin autographed by Vander who was an extremely kind person and talked at length with us fans. th-cam.com/video/kXZBNNGc_B8/w-d-xo.html
Hi Andrew, your video is already old and you didn't seem to know the unique universe created by Christian Vander, the fabulous composer, drummer and singer of his legendary group "MAGMA", created in 1969. Vander invented a language, Kobaïen, a planet where mankin will be save of its madness and cruelty, "Kobaïa", and a style musical, the Zeühl. If you want to see and hear how Vander played in the 70's (Even if for 25 years his group has never been so good, for me it's as this epoqu he was as his best level and shows the most his crazy attitude in his way of playing...) I invite you to watch the video "Magma Pantin 1977", an exerpt from one of the group's five concerts that I had the chance to attend between 1976 and 1981, and after to listen to the ever more insane album version of this "De Futura" in "Üdü Wüdü" released the same year. And congrats for your excellent channel...
My first Magmaexperience was in the 80 th. They were absolut awesome. After a longer break I Join them 2019 in Frankfurt and I was a.little disappionted. The Zombie Album sounded not fresh And the band does not Look for any contact.with the audience. And after 100 Minute they Had to end because there was a Discoparty in the same room after. In the ealier days this would be impossible .
PLEASE NOTE: I didn't mean any offence in this video to Christian Vander or the music of Magma.
1. Sesame Street comparisons are the NOT a diss. The house band was made up of the best studio musicians on offer including people like Nile Rodgers. Listen back to 70's/80's Sesame Street music... it ain't no joke AT ALL.
2. Giggling... I actually started thinking ABOUT Sesame Street and all my nostalgia wrapped up in that show as a kid.
I wasn't laughing AT the music created by Magma.
As you were...
Not only that but working from the perspective that music is helpful as a mnemonic device. Singing your ABC's as an American, for example, since I'm not sure what other countries use for their language memory retrieval devices, but music sure seems to be helpful for it.
That all being said, you're right. I think people imagine the simplicity of shows like Barney and Friends, which they may remember were simplistic musical arrangements, but the early years of Sesame Street was loaded with new education concepts brought about from the critical theory proponents of the 60s and early 70s. Definitely not a diss to say that music from the 70s, especially music directed toward childrens' education, should somehow be shamed or thought about as a stigma.
I think Magma enthusiasts won't be angry after you for that Sesame Street reference since original Sesame Street had great musicians and, in another Magma piece named "de Futura", a lot of comments were people who thought it sounds like "The home improvement" theme, so...
i''m obsessed with that Zombie performance, love its relentless hypnotic energy, but i laughed out loud at your reference! there should always be room for spontaneous humour :)
Sesame street music? Magma? Every ounce of your credibility gone, in a microsecond
What credibility!
Vander is a god, he is not only the drummer he writes it all. I have ssen Magma more than 20 times they never cease to amaze.
WOW! That's some dedication!
Yep, same for me. And this one, from the front row, was pretty amazing.
Best concert of my life
The definition of a cult band
And a mental vocalist, too - watch the full performance of 'Zess' from the Bobino gig, it's just mad; at one point he's singing Kobaian (sp?) lyrics in perfect unison with a guitar solo.
I am so proud, that there are REAL musicians like Christian Vander out on this planet. He is one of my biggest inspirations of my lifetime. Listening to him reminds me on what music could and can be, if we dedicate our lifes to it.Thank you Christian.
It's hard to categorize Magma. Christian Vander the classically trained drummer vocalist leader invented his own language called Kobaian. Yes there is a Miles Bitches Brew inspired vibe. But Vander sites Coltrane has one of the inspiration for his music. I was born in 61' and thought I've seen heard it all until someone turned me to them 22 years ago. I saw them on my 50th birthday NYC at the highline ballroom. The drum school Drummers Collective NYC had many poeple there that night to witness this masterful drummer.To this day only Magma and Hellborg,Lane and Sipe have made me jump out of my seat ectatically. Saw both John McLaughlin, Allan Holdsworth live and although superb musicians who I enjoy immensly walked away feeling very uninspired. If you get the chance to see Magma don't pass it up. Christian I believe is in his early 70's and shows no signs of slowing down. Thank you Christian for you energy.
Bitches Brew is one of my all-time favourites, tho' Tony Williams didn't play on that. I agree it's hard to categorise Magma: somewhere between Carl Orff, fusion-jazz-rock, prog, a hyper-ventilated Atom Heart Mother Suite and curiously particular branches of relentless psychedelic trance ('Forest Psy', 'hi-tech') recall similar hypnotic energies to Magma...something about the mystical otherworldly energy & vibe feels related.
How do you see Magma's music sounding anything like Miles Davis music ?
Christian vander quote of the day! "in the early seventies, when i hit a symbal, i really felt as if i was killing a person in front of me."
He is one of the best!
OH NICE!!!!
This is such an excellent piece. Christian Vander is one of the unsung greats.
Andrew listening to black metal: yeh' that's cool. Andrew listening to Magma: looks for help outside the window.
I thought someone was gonna get me there for a bit!
Experienced Magma in 1977 in Copenhagen. Amazing concert - will never forget it!
The 2005 line up of Magma was probably one of their best line ups ever, and this recording of Zombies is maybe one of the best versions of this song. I love the point in this reaction video, when your initial fun about the mismatched hihat moves to apprecciation of the energetic and charismatic hi speed drumming.
Absolutely!
Wow!? We are doing Magma now, going real deep into the prog rabbit hole!
Great band and super interesting band concept
The prog rabbit hole would be very deep indeed. I don't think there is any King Crimson yet on the channel? And that's a drummers' band, especially in the latest incarnation with three drummers and also regarding Andrew's love of Gavin Harrison.
So glad to be doing weird stuff! hehe
Keeps it interesting!!!
@@ugerhard totally agree, I saw KC a few years ago with the three drummer set up and its mind blowing. Each drummer is super musical, they dont step on each others toes and they all got places to shine individually.
@@ugerhard King Crimson is apparently super aggressive with copyright strikes.
Wrong pick here sorry. As a Magma fan since 1990 who's seen more than 30 live performances, and at the risk of being conspued by other Magma fans, I believe Vander who's now in his 70s is not at 1/10th the drummer he was in his prime ( 1970-1980 ). He's lost both the physical possibilities and the madness he had at the time. 3 things come to mind : 1. as a drummer, should you want to check out his skills, listen to De Futura from the Udu Wudu album version ( and only this one ) and you will be blown away by both the genre and his approach to syncopated drumming. Check out too if you can find it to his live solo called Ptah where he sings the patterns he's goins to play next and you'll have to acknowledge he was then one of the top drummers in the world. 2. Should you want to check both his skills and madness, check out the live televised version of Hhaï from the french programm called Le Grand Echiquier. Not the best Hhaï version ever but all the musicians were really mad at the time. You'll like the guy dressed as a toad with gloves falling from his shoulders. Vander's singing is great too in this performance. 3. Should you want to check out why Magma is considered by some like the most avant-garde french rock group ever, check out Kohntark ( 35 minutes ) from the Magma Live ( 1975 ) album and be prepared for an incredible musical experience. IMHO Kohntark remains Magma's best musical achievement of their history, mixing rock, jazz and classical music with Orff, Wagner and Stravinsky inspirations but in their own way. Beware : should you let yourself be taken, you will not come back the same from Magma's universe.
The Live version of Kohntarz is my favorite piece of music ever ( in a tie with Vaughn Williams’ “Fantasia on a Theme By Thomas Tallis”). I believe you are missing an influences … and thereby hangs a tale you might like. I inadvertently wrote the liner notes for the U.S. version of Udu Wudu, in that distributor just grabbed the first chunk of my review of Magma Live for the Harvard Independent (which began “Imagine the perfect jazz-rock drummer”). Years later when the new version of the band played NYC (first U.S. gig I was aware of) I drove down from the Boston suburbs with a Magma-curious platonic blind date and got there comfortably before sound check. I brandishing my copy of the album as I.D. and was soon backstage sitting opposite Christian and Stella, mini-recorder at the ready. Stella explained who I was in French and Christian went wide-eyed, and (before or after autographing the album) got up and walked to the other side of backstage, returning with a well-used drumstick for me. All I remember now from the interview is that I verified he that he was a Bartok fan -- a big one, based on his response -- and when I asked him what his favorite piece was I was able to translate “Music for Strings, Percussion and Celeste” on my own, and cut off Stella in my excitement. (The passage that reminds of Bartok, perhaps for no good reason, is the dual melodies in the segment that starts a bit before the 10 minute mark. But Music for Strings… is minimalist in a way that his more obvious influences are not.) For sound check the band played the trickiest turnaround at the end of Kohntarz while nonchalantly smoking cigarettes, and it was more exciting than 95% of the real performances I’ve seen (and that’s well over a thousand). Needless to say the actual concert was and remains the best thing I’ve ever seen and heard. The blind date covered three meals and 20 or 21 hours and we never saw each other again! And the interview is somewhere in my house, as I made the mistake of putting it in a special place and then forgetting what that was. Some day ...
Best drummer ever, best band ever.
Amen!
AMEN!
This makes me so happy, Christian is a unique and brilliant drummer. Ive seen magma twice and they are 2 of the best, if not THE best ive attended. Imagine listening to for 2 hours straight. Trancelike state of mind. Almost spiritual.
Nooooo thank you. This is the most tedious, pretentious nonsense I’ve heard in a long time.
Glad you dig it!
@@Mmmmilo Cool! To me, pop/rock is nonsense. Predictable and boring.
@@Mmmmilo you listen to Dimmu Borgir,you literally like shit on purpose
Totally agree
Christian is a very unique, special drummer, musician, composer. Always countering the groove. What strikes me in this particular piece is the consistent emphasis on the off-beat. Both in the pulse-sized rythmical units as in the longer riff cycles. It makes the music float in the air. Kick and snare constantly and alternating on the off-beat.
The first couple of Magma albums are pretty typical early '70s jazz fusion, but by their third album Mekanik Destruktiw Kommandoh they'd fully committed to the whole "Kobaian" concept and aesthetic and transformed into something unique, the style they called zeuhl (pronounced more like "tsoil"). Despite some changing personnel (though always anchored by Christian Vander on drums, and with his wife Stella leading the chorus), they stuck with it up until an attempt to go pop (which almost everybody acknowledges was a bad idea) in the early '80s and broke up. Vander put together a new incarnation of the band in the 2000s with a mix of old and new members. Most of their material is from the '70s but they have recorded some newer material.
For something so odd they've been pretty influential. Several other bands have adopted the zeuhl style, mostly in Europe (Zao, Eskaton, Weidorje, Shub-Niggurath), but Japanese drummer Yoshida Tatsuya's projects Ruins and Koenjihyakkei. American drummer Zach Hill (Hella, Death Grips) is also a devotee, though his bands aren't zeuhl (they're math-rock and experimental hip-hop).
Vander has also had side projects like Offering and the Christian Vander Trio, which are more straight-ahead jazz.
Bassist Jannick Top has done a lot of session work, including for Bonnie Tyler and Celine Dion of all people.
I saw this band at their first ever London concert, in 1974 at the Roundhouse, halfway thru a whole day concert lineup, totally unknown here but amazing, by far the most intense concert i have ever been to, playing what was a combination of Carl Orff and Wagnerian opera in their own invented space language Kobaiian, with a driving jazzrock accompaniment with Vander exploding on drums. Alongside Stella Vander, was original singer Klaus Blasqviz, a vocal range wider than Athur Brown (I am the God of Hellfire) from a Tibetan monk's croak to high falsetto, at times falsetto duetting with Christian Vander, this from an imposing tall guy with huge black cloak, big black beard, striding around playing a wide rack of percussion, and a fierce small ball of energy in bass player Yannik Top. They played the Mekanik Destruktiv Commandoh sequence, a lot of successively building waves and climaxes, completely hypnotic and overwhelming, i watched many people around me going into trance states, and people tripping on acid looked quite blown away and deranged.
I have never seen anything remotely so inrense, compelling, powerful, way beyond the 'Double Trio' King Crimson, circa 1999.
At the end, i had to leave, missing two favourite bands on later including Caravan, and sit for 2-3 hours in the sun in Primrose Hill, a little nearby hilltop city park, getting over the whole experience, thinking wtf, wtf, wtf !.
Then I saw them a week later at the famous Marquee Club in Wardour Street, also intense but a very different feel closeup in a small intimate rock club.
There is a lot of concert footage from the whole of Magna's half century history, and you can see the diverse range of musicians, many virtuosos, who have passed through the band, (rather like Zappa's lineups), people really should check this out.
But it is not for the faint-hearted: if you like full on music, go for it!
`Looks on completely askance and devoid of understanding`. Like a second rate painter and decorator telling Michaelangelo how to store his brushes
Hello, i'm french and i'm 64 years old. I have seen and heard Magam/Christian Vander, for the first time, in august 1972 at Sanary-sur-mer in south of France, i was 14 years old !... A BIG BIG CHOK 4 ever !... then i saw and heard Magma/Christian Vander more than 40 concerts in France. Ps : my second LOVE was Prince (Sign'O the times at Paris Bercy in 1987, Lovesexy 1988, 3 concerts, at same place, and in Minneapolis at the Bunker's for Cinthya Johnson's birthday, and i visited Paisley Park, during Eastern 1989). Vander - Prince : The 2 Great Music Maestro of the XX-XXI centuries, sure. God bless "U"
Cannot give this enough likes. Huge Magma fan here! Last time I´ve seen them live was october 2019 in Brussels. Simply amazing! Christian Vander is an extraordinary musician. He can sing too. Check out their composition "Zëss" live. Da Zeuhl Wortz Mëkanïk!
Now, that's a band. Unlike any other
I was at this gig , travelled over to Paris with a few mates. Fantastic ✨
That was an extended version of zombies , which first appeared on studio album udu Wudu in 1976. Composed by drummer Christian vander.
Love that 1976 álbum!
Kobaia is a world hard to get into, but once you are there, there's no escape.
🤯
It's surprising how many drummers haven't heard of Vander. Nothing slick or cute about his playing. I love a guy who can kick the shit out of an 18" bass drum.
Felt like I was listening to some Pagan ritual where someone was about to be thrown into a volcano
Yes Wayne! 🥁👍👀
As I understand, cult movie director Alejandro Jodorowsky was working on a film adaptation of Frank Herbert's "Dune" in the early 1970s. For music, he eventually decided that Pink Floyd would compose pieces for House Atriedes, and Magma for House Harkonnen. I always think of "Zombies" as the theme music for the First battle of Arrakeen where house Atriedes is defeated and Duke Leto captured.
You would probably be right, because HR Giger did the cover for that release and he also worked on the pre production Art for the Jodorowsky Dune film at same time.
Great stuff! And note Philipp Bussonet, the bassist
Andrew, some additional thoughts. Christian Vander has stated that if given the choice between drums or cymbals, he would take cymbals. The reason for the mismatched cymbals for his hi-hat is that the sound it creates is exactly what he wants- and Vander has often been called the fastest left foot in rock. He will never play any song the same way twice, always finding ways to improvise and change meter and beat and accent. It is sometimes amazing to watch. Watch this short clip for Vander in full flight (after the bass solo): th-cam.com/video/8oGJYLv9DFY/w-d-xo.html And I am so sad to say that the guitarist in your clip and the one I post here, James Mac Gaw, died only 2 months ago after a long bout of brain cancer. He was just 56 and a hellaciously talented guitar player. He leaves behind a wife and child and a legion of fans who knew him from Magma and other bands he played in.
That's so sad to hear about James I had been hoping for a long time to see him return, thanks for mentioning. I need to watch my favorite of his the 2005 Zess. RIP
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Your channel brings me music I would normally not be exposed to and that is why it is so enjoyable.
Agreed!
Thanks to the Patrons for such interesting picks!
Thanks for the video, this is my favorite band and i've seen them 12 times in 25 years. I can only advise you to see them on stage and you'll experience something extra ordinary, a pure expression of creativity and passion.
I was at several Magma concerts. At one concert Christian Vander at first only sang and played piano, and some other band member played drums. Then they switched seats, and suddenly the drums were much louder; Vander is a real skin basher. At one point he started a drum solo. I looked at my watch because I wanted to know how long his solo would be. It lasted for 45 minutes. Yes, no typo - 45 minutes! And the best thing about it - while with most drummers this would have been incredibly boring Vander managed to keep it interesting all the time; the solo was not boring for a second.
Magma iss de hundin!
Magma forever
Great to see they have a commited following!
@@AndrewRooneyDrums I,m 40 past... I saw them maybe 30 times, and man, everytime it's a unique experience... hopefully you will be able to see them after all this covid shit ;) aMagma show is a day to remember
I saw Magma three nights in a row in the Pacific Northwest Around 2016, and bought a drum kit immediately afterwards. Vander is top tier.
the beat, the constant progressions instead of hard cuts and breaks and fills and verse chorus verse, reminds me a lot of contemporary electronic music, like, say, underworld, the orb, or chemical brothers... krautrocky :)
Interesting observation David!
Thank you for this video! The bass player in my band introduced me to Magma and so excited to have tix to go see them as an 11 piece band in London next year. Anyone intrigued by this I recommend checking out their extensive catalogue. He is a great drummer but the depth of creativity in Vander's composition is what really blows me away.
I was not ready for this James
Hello Andrew, and thank you for presenting Magma!
Frankly, you don't tackle Magma "like that" in seconds.
There is a time to adapt, a bit like going into Space!
But once you've entered the world of Magma, then it's addictive, enjoyable, like a kind of trance ...
Musically, Magma takes us to another planet.
Power, "madness", it grows all the time as they say ...
There would be too much to say.
This group is a kind of extreme musical school from which guys like Didier Lockwood and so many others have come.
I saw this group in concert several times, at different times, the first in Lyon (France), more than 35 years ago. It’s always a very special, very addicting show.
You just have to let go, accept to enter into this unique atmosphere.
The style of this exceptional drummer was in the past much jazz-rock, jazz-fusion, and his drum set was much more fleshed out (he even had 2 huge gongs placed behind him).
A pure treat!
A huge power output, a vista, a rhythm and a style very personal, unique, enjoyable!
Christian Vander was a fan of Coltrane.
Vander plays a lot with silences, he suggests ...
But rather than words, notes, and a few suggestions which I think will appeal to you and perhaps please you.
1 / "De Futura", you have to concentrate on the drum playing (the extraordinary bass too) which is downright powerful and original (the melody can be shocking!).
Monstrous?
Yes!
And personally, I find the drums playing really amazing!
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2 / "I Must Return"
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3 / “The last Seven Minutes”
To see and listen (loud!) Especially from 4'15 minutes to 6.15 minutes!
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4 / “Fusion” with Didier Lockwood & Jannick Top in particular.
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Vive magma
Well observed, Fusion drummer Gary Husband also compared Vander to Tony Williams at one point.
MAGMA!!
This is truly music that our time needs right now.
Magma is a force of nature, not wierd or scary at all. Some folk's ears are just limited to what's expected.
Udu Wudu is their spooky ghost music album, I'd have checked out something more classical like Theusz Hamtaahk
...but if you want more spooky ghost music, try the album OM from black metal band Negura Bunget
Christian Vander can literally keep the beat with out hitting the drums and spontaneously jump in at any moment just right on the continually track as follows... Something most drummers don't have & know about.. originally rock jazzy type of style I'm amazed.🥁✌️😵👍
You must listen « de futura « With 2 bass
Thanks for the tip!
I was born in France , my father was Christian’s friend and I grew up listening his “crazy” music , and working on his drumming will learning drums , Vander is an amazing and really original drummer , composer, and musician . I know magma can be a bit disturbing but Listen de futura , it’s just an amazing piece of art
I saw Magma a few years ago in Toronto...their music is definitely something to be experienced live, the repetition and crescendos move some air. Euphoric and powerful. Trying to find where the phrases resolve and where one was sometimes impossible. His more drumistic playing is in the late 70s, he hears things differently for sure.
Holy shit, now we're diving deep... 😁
We're goin' in!
@@AndrewRooneyDrums That's what he said...
Wow, I wouldn’t offend Vander. You have possibly already got a Kobian curse surrounding you and anyone you’ve ever loved. See them live. Genuinely change the space they inhabit. Terrifying and wonderful in equal portions
explain how can he possible handle single left hand paradiddles the whole thing?🤯
Especially when you are up to 70 y.o....
Heppy you had an episode on Magma. A must for an open-minded drummer ! Vander is amazing drummer & composer who translated Elivin Jones & Coltrane's trance into a new genre, incredible pieces where rhythm is at heart of the music. You can check out this extract with camera angles only focused on the drumkit here th-cam.com/video/Y__1rD1FfQU/w-d-xo.html
At about 6:66 it turns from traditional Sesame Street music into Muppet blood orgy virgin sacrifice with all the unison vocals going on.
HAHA!
Muppet blood orgy - virgin sacrifice
Sounds like my new Band and their first album!
Christian est sans aucun doute l'un des plus grands batteurs de tous les temps.
Christian Vander is The BEST DRUMMER EVER.
Also, the founder of 50+yeasrs old and still active best band on this planet called MAGMA.
One of the most innovative and open-minded composers of XX century.
A really great vocalist.
A philosopher and do not forget good cooking skills :3
About 70's movies, Magma made an appearance on Jean Yanne's movie "Moi y'en a vouloir des sous", this scene can even be found on youtube.
MAGMA FOREVER...!!! A VIE ...A MORT ET APRES...MERCI CHRISTIAN ...!!!
it was interesting to watch your reaction as you get sucked into the world of magma. it is the best band ever!!!
Can’t wait to see more
As a listener, I love the 1970s progressive rock underground European scene. Univers Zero, Aksak Maboul from Belgium, Art Zoyd, Etron Fou Leloublan, Magma from France, Henry Cow / Art Bears from England, Area, Stormy Six from Italy and many others... Vander created a language and a music highly influenced by classical and jazz especially Coltrane. Maybe Sun Ra and other avant garde musicians...
As a person who has watched some of your videos, I didn't like your attitude in this Magma reaction video. Yeah their music is a little weird, but it should not be forgotten that this single was made in the mid 1970s. I also read your description but I cant say I'm ok ! Best regards from Turkey
Funny that you said that this was a long one, as it's just one small part of narrative piece (this being the journey into the underworld section) that goes close to an hour. And that's just one part of a trilogy (the Kohntarkosz Trilogy, a Magma take on Egyptian mythology) that goes for well over two hours.
Idk, you'd have to pretty far up your own... to not appreciate that MAGMA can come across as pretty silly and weird. That being said, I also think your sesame street comparison is on point, it's exactly the same 70's sort of hippie-new-age vibe of desperately reinventing the wheel and trying to find new ways to communicate (or educate kids or whatever they were trying to do), leading to all sorts of strange cultural artifacts, like this made up language/vocal style.
WOW! Awesome info right there!
I have three Magma vinyl records I bought in the early 70's when Fusion was really hot. Great band.
I saw Magma for the first time in 1975 (!). Absolutely mind blowing- especially for that time..
At the beginning of the 70’ , there where only 2 bands on this planet that had that «cosmic fusion » energy: MAGMA & The Mahavishnu Orchestra (Live !: « Between nothingness and eternity »)🙏🏻🤗
Hi CK ! I saw Magma 5 times between 1976 and 1981 and also The Mahavishnu Orchestra in 73 or 74, I cant remember.
I loved this band, even if some passages were too long, useless and pretty boring. Alas I missed King Crimson, an other fabulous prog-rock band !
(I saw Bill Brufford with Genesis in 76, but in a totally different musical universe as you imagine...)
Ahhhhh, enfin ! Andrew you are the best, le grand Christian Vander, the fabulous Christian, a mad fabulous man, he has created a language , kobaien , an incredible concept, you must listen his 70 ´s record, when he was 20, so so more powerfull ansd crazy like billly cobham.A great musician , a legend vive Magma !
Great!!
Diving into zeuhl? Now we're getting serious!
We're going in man!
@@AndrewRooneyDrums I'm here for it.
love Magma, found out about them because apparently Christian Vander is Zach Hill's favorite drummer and when a crazy beast like zach says something like that I can't resist checking it out
Wow! Awesome John
@@AndrewRooneyDrums also Morgan Agreen is a huge fan!
All composed, Andrew. All of Magma is- and you should look at some of his other videos- where he really takes the drums apart. Kohtarkosz is key. th-cam.com/video/QTucmvIEbbg/w-d-xo.html
Everybody already said it but yeah, check "Magma - De Futura"
To this day Stella has the voice of an sngel. The current bass player is a monster.
For me It's soul music, like Coltrane, Pharaoh Sanders and others, it transports you to a higher realm. My wife? Not when she's home. Lol
Awesome man! The first time listening to Magma is quite the experience. Vander is amazing
Man you have to take a shot at the 40 min song, like kohntarkosz Or Mekanik destruktiw Komandoh, or Defutura.... enjoy
Yikes!
Yes! Magma's album Kobaïa from 1970, is a fantastic prog album, definitely worth listening to!
Nathan you have eclectic tastes man! 💪
For more "accessible" material from Magma, try the "Atthak" album.
Thanks for the tip
@@AndrewRooneyDrums I'm gonna see them the 6th of november For their 50th anniversary in my town (Rennes), I already have a "demi-molle", as we say here
It was an enourmos slap in the face.
Hats off to you for exploring complex stuff like Magma. Not easy listening for most people. Just an interesting tidbit: Neil Kernon, the famous English producer who worked on several of the early Magma records in the early 70's, is now, as a senior citizen no less, known for producing mostly death metal bands like Nile and Cannibal Corpse :)
vander is a monster 🌺
YES!
@@AndrewRooneyDrums
I saw him on stage in 1970 ... and more
🌷🌼🌷
near Paris
The music is very different but I think your right his sound on the drums has a Tony Williams vibe.
He personally is my favourite drummer he can make that kit sound as good as any of the other instruments.
Thanks, Andrew, for doing that :-) Regarding the weird vocals: Those are actually in a made up language that Vander created together with the first vocalist of the band as they thought their native French didn't have to right "sound" for their music.
WOW! This just keeps getting better.
And what a pick!
Klaus Blasquiz
Even if their music is recognizable among a thousand, each of their albums is a different experience! Don't forget to see them in concert, experience it, their new formation (with Jannik Top's son on bass) is very promising. Christian Vander with all the respect I owe him, is no longer everything young, so jump quickly at a chance!
I've seen Elvin many times and I can definitely see a bit of him in Christian. I get your Tony hi hat reference too, Andy. I've seen Tony many times as well. I was lucky to see all the great jazz drummers as I grew up. Gotta thank my Dad for taking me to see everyone that came to town (San Fran).
Wow great Benny! I think SF was Tony's hometown?
my favorite band ever
Wow Awesome Matias!
@@AndrewRooneyDrums you should try with "Premiata Forneria marconi", it is an Italian progressive rock band from the 70's, their drummer is exceptional
Christian Vander is a force of nature. Check out Attack Kommando by Magma. Mind blowing...
But that bass playing though?!!!! Wow...
Magma has generally has always a string of amazing bass players but Philippe Bussonnet probably one of the most underrated. Here's him playing a piece by written by another previous bass player in the band, Jannick Top.
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One of the best pieces of music ever written. I recommend to dive further in the music of Magma. Enjoy!
The part that you were reacting to is 'Zombies' so I guess it's certainly intentionally spooky...
'Hhaï', the much longer song before, is in contrast very bright, and also shows Vander's ability, style, skills as a singer.
Thanck for the reaction ! Magma is definitely my favorit band. Check out Magma KMX-B12 from the same concert if you want some drum ans bass crazyness
There are thousands of technically great drummers ... but Vander is more than that, an artist and composer like Carl Orff
This not even the longest nor hardest piece of Magma to play. These guys are Monsters.
Try mekanik destruktiw kommandoh
Definitely jazz. The drummer was playing hard-bop style. The bass player was playing all kinds of notes and groving hard. The rest of the band followed the very strange singing. Your movie analogy was spot on
Nailed it Jeff! And thanks man!
@@AndrewRooneyDrums your eyebrows expressions 12:02, and smiles says it all.. nothing like magma on earth
I see and hear your point with Sesame Street music. I get a similar vibe and Magma makes me smile for that reason, although most people regard them as scary with their artificial language and the choruses. I also get a slight Zappa vibe. Interesting for sure!
Nailed it Erik!
Never heard this, thought it was great, didn't once feel the need to look over my shoulder! ❤️
😂👌💯
well your seasame street comment kinda shat on the whole vibe of the video...but hey, you got me chuckling!!! :) thanks andrew, much love! :)
Didn't mean to! Please read my pinned comment :)
Great reaction. I got a real good laugh out of it. Laughter is good medicine not disrespect. Hurry up and get to that Adam Jarvis-concrete beast reaction. I can’t wait. 😀
This was all already in the can. Recording the next round of vids today...
Adam Jarvis is the first video I record today :)
Thanx for this. Sure you'll enjoy some more Magma's music. Vander composed 2 "Trilogias" between 1970 and 1976 : Theusz Hamtaahk and Emehnnteht-Rê. First one includes this tracks : Theusz Hamtaahk - Wurdah Itah - Mekanik Destruktiw Kommandoh. You can enjoy the live version in Trianon 2000 on YT which is to me one of a perfect. Then, you may send an ear to the second one "'E-Rê", which includes Kohntarkosz Anteria - Kohntarkosz and Emehnntêht-Rê (Zombies is taken of this one). A live version exists in DVD.
Here are some links I still enjoy and listen to :
"Kohntarkosz" (1974 - 2005 version) : th-cam.com/video/QTucmvIEbbg/w-d-xo.html
Theusz Hamtaahk (Trianon - 1973 - 2000 version) th-cam.com/video/rbXi7WN5n-c/w-d-xo.html
De Futura (18 min) built on 4th ads : th-cam.com/video/vzyOi5XRu_g/w-d-xo.html
Ah, and Zess (which is supposed to be "the end of it all") (composed in 1979 - 2005 version) ! th-cam.com/video/eeVNwkPAcrU/w-d-xo.html (30 minutes on 2 chords and a groovy kind of huh... fury ?)
Love from France.
LOOOOOVE Goblin. I got the same vibe! Saw them do the Suspiria score live, the year before last, with the film playing behind them. Such a cool experience!
I saw them live too with the film on the big screen!
Unreal experience
Haha, high five! Argento was my first thought! Would be a great soundtrack for Suspiria or Phenomena. Love it😍
YESSSSSSS
Sitting here eating my grandson’s Sweet Tarts watching this near midnight...the thought that kept crossing my mind ....
“Zappa did bad acid and started composing..”
That bass was kicking too!
My top 3 drummers : Neil Pear, Cristian Vander and Virgil Donati.
That was the wrong video, he needs to see (many versions of) Stöah to really experience Christian Vander and be driven crazy with Vander's out of this world craziness, and drum faces too. Magma is by far my favorite band, so far is my appreciation for Magma, that, even though I'm a big fan of Zappa, most prog groups, most jazz greats, but Magma for me is on another level altogether, for me they can only be compared to Beethoven, Bach, Wagner, Prokofiev, Stravinsky,Messiaen, etc.
I have a floor tom REMO skin autographed by Vander who was an extremely kind person and talked at length with us fans.
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Hi Andrew, your video is already old and you didn't seem to know the unique universe created by Christian Vander, the fabulous composer, drummer and singer of his legendary group "MAGMA", created in 1969. Vander invented a language, Kobaïen, a planet where mankin will be save of its madness and cruelty, "Kobaïa", and a style musical, the Zeühl.
If you want to see and hear how Vander played in the 70's (Even if for 25 years his group has never been so good, for me it's as this epoqu he was as his best level and shows the most his crazy attitude in his way of playing...) I invite you to watch the video "Magma Pantin 1977", an exerpt from one of the group's five concerts that I had the chance to attend between 1976 and 1981, and after to listen to the ever more insane album version of this "De Futura" in "Üdü Wüdü" released the same year. And congrats for your excellent channel...
This is not Hhai / Zombies, only the Zombies part.
My first Magmaexperience was in the 80 th. They were absolut awesome. After a longer break I Join them 2019 in Frankfurt and I was a.little disappionted. The Zombie Album sounded not fresh And the band does not Look for any contact.with the audience. And after 100 Minute they Had to end because there was a Discoparty in the same room after. In the ealier days this would be impossible .
when did joey diaz start playing drums?!
Vander has a really goofy face but they don't look anything alike.
I don't know Joey Diaz...
Omg lol this comment wins hahah
Really, you must listen to the whole thing, from Hhaï to Zombies (why only the end ?)
Do Magma - De Futura
Thanks Henri!