I used to suffer neck pain after only 20 miles. After a thorough bike fit, my rides became exponentially more enjoyable. The changes made were dramatic, and I couldn't believe how uncomfortable I truly was. The best upgrade, as far as I am concerned.
@Killing Time For one, I had someone take a picture of me on my bike. I was astounded as to how far I was reaching for the hoods. Those were moved closer and rotated up. In terms of exercises, a physical therapist suggested ice angels. Ice angels are when you stand up against a wall and extend your arms flat on the wall, your elbows at 90 degree angles, and as close to your hips as possible. This promotes "flattening" your chest width wise "curing" the rounding effects caused by overreaching. And I found when I wasn't overreaching, my neck was properly supported and far more comfortable. Keep in mind, (the small print, here), every person's setup is different. Thus, every person's dilemma is different. Thus, treatment may be different.
I had a really expensive bike fit a few years ago, it made no difference at all. The guy was recommended to me by several people and it left me wondering whether or not we're actually buying much more than a placebo. If you're anything like me, you've been riding for years and know yourself best. Thing is you'll never know if your bike fit is right until you've ridden 100 miles with the setup. I found the best thing to do was repeatedly make micro adjustments after every longer ride and eventually over a long time you can dial it in.
That MAAP Evade jersey is perfect for hot (>28) and humid conditions. If you live in a tropical/monsoonal climate and piss sweat but want comfy, this is the jersey to get. My go to.
I’ve always wondered where the optimal placement of the cleats should be; you explored the lateral float on this video, but I’m thinking about the forward/backward placement of the cleat itself. My instinct has always been to place it as far towards the ball of the foot (usually pushing it very forward), because I get the sense that the ball of the foot generates the most power. But then there’s ankling…
@@grantritchieyour cleats are very far BACK. Which is actually GOOD. Many many bike-fitters recommend putting the cleats far back, not at all forward. It is a misconception.
thansk for the video, nice to refresh the thinking about the points you observed - notably about getting someone else to make those last fine adjustments
The bike I bought was expensive but the shop basically did no fitting. Just a quick look at how the leg was at bottom of stroke. The bike was very uncomfortable and now I know why! Thanks
Excellent. I do bike fit and the points made here can be applied by anyone. Cleat..Insoles VERY important,yet often not considered. Also position of brake lever.
I've never gotten a professional bike fit. My rides are 3+ hours, 8-12 hours per week depending on season/weather. I occasionally have some issues early in the year which are usually hand/finger numbness, back/neck soreness, arm/shoulder soreness, or minor knee pain. Later in the year these aches and pains completely disappear. The best bike fit is to get fitter.
Sounds like you’ve been fortunate with getting a good fit initially. I do think you can get 80% there on your own, but trust me that last 20% from a good bike fitter is significant and might also lead to less future injuries. In this visit, I think Dan prevented me from getting a more serious knee injury over time due to cleats, and I wouldn’t have noticed as it would have been gradual. But I also wouldn’t say it’s absolutely essential.
Agree with you. I used to get tingling palms but I did core exercise and it just went away. Also my knee some time gets a bit of pain, I later discover my knees like cleat with a bit more float.
I ride at least as much as you do, but you are a probably a lot younger than some of us, who have lifetimes of significant injuries, where continuing with pain can cause things to worsen over time. A bike fit with a proper physio enabled me to keep going. For me it is absolutely not a placebo. Pretty sure the TdF riders don't all get bike fits either, but bodies get used to things when you are young.
@@phoffen3829what? Pros get several different bike-fits every year. They optimize everything to the millimeters. Because they are riding 30+ hours a week so no room for « discomfort » and efficiency MUST BE optimal. They even do wind-tunnel sessions to optimize their position etc
Depends where you go really as everywhere is different, but typically between £150-300. Dan is £239, but he includes a lot in that cost including a biomechanical assessment, video analysis etc
Did you bike fitter question you about your about integrated handlebar/stem ? And was he OK fitting you to that cockpit because a lot of fitters don’t like to work on integrated handlebar/stem
@Dan correct me if I'm wrong but he was absolutely fine with it because it fits me well. I think bike fitters tend to have an issue with them because they are mega expensive to change stem length or handlebar width as you need to buy a whole new cockpit, but if you know your sizing and buy the right size, then there's no big issue.
As a fixed gear rider, I love to change my stem and handlebars very often (seat too) for different ride feels and looks. ⠀ Is that a major issue when it comes to fitting or does it makes sense to also take these possible changes into account?
@@marceloalbujai ride fixed and road. I own many different bikes, varying in sizes & geometry. For rides under 2 hours small changes don’t matter. For longer rides of 4-5 hours (I’ve done rides Fixed & Brakeless of 8-10 hours) you better have everything set neatly. Including the choice of shoes & saddle & bibshorts. I ride several full carbon saddles and no problem as long as you’ve got a great pair of bibs. Been riding fixed gear for about 7 years now so I know a thing or two. I’m very much performance oriented. I have some fixed gear bikes for commuting where performance doesn’t matter and only style does hahaha for rides of 30-45 minutes so in such circumstances comfort is irrelevant and you can get away with anything.
@@SamuelBlackMetalRider Top! ⠀ My same thoughts, gets me on the right path. I am no performance bloke, but one time after a breakless 160km ride, I got some knee, ass pain and hand issues that left me thinking… i commute every day for about chill 10km maybe I change between 5 veery different bikes (slack-steep, 2.4-3.7 ratio, risers-triathlon handlebars) every day, so maybe I maybe be aggravating those issues without knowing it(?) On track one time also used for good 90km Full carbon without binge and was no issue whatsoever, so a bit confused at this point haha
I never understood why they don't make these cleats of a better quality, more rigid plastic that doesn't worn out like butter in a season. Well, I prob know the answer...
capitalism. especially in physio therapy there is a lot of product made to wear off so people have to buy new stuff all the time. happens in every industry.
Years ago , Time shoes had metal cleats. The metal cleat wore the pedal body. They switched to plastic cleats. Cheaper to replace cleat then pedal!!! I still have some of the metal cleats.
The wear on the bottom of the cleats has nothing to do with the interface to the pedal. The working surfaces of the cleat are the undercut portions at the front and rear edges. Sure, the rubber feet are worn off at the front and that can certainly make them a bit slippery but, cleaning up the frayed edge at the toe end will make them feel like new again. In my opinion, those cleats had plenty of life left in them. YMMV.
@@yourdeadjackobviously he hasn’t. That’s such a stupid take. If anything, every shop should offer bike fitting when buying a new bike. Pros do several bike-fittings every year to optimize efficiency & comfort to the millimeter but yeah, it’s just in their heads of course 🙄
I used to suffer neck pain after only 20 miles. After a thorough bike fit, my rides became exponentially more enjoyable. The changes made were dramatic, and I couldn't believe how uncomfortable I truly was. The best upgrade, as far as I am concerned.
1000000%! Glad to hear you’re in the same boat Robert 👌🏻
Was there any particular thing that helped your neck pain? I’m suffering with neck pain after a few miles…
@Killing Time For one, I had someone take a picture of me on my bike. I was astounded as to how far I was reaching for the hoods. Those were moved closer and rotated up. In terms of exercises, a physical therapist suggested ice angels. Ice angels are when you stand up against a wall and extend your arms flat on the wall, your elbows at 90 degree angles, and as close to your hips as possible. This promotes "flattening" your chest width wise "curing" the rounding effects caused by overreaching. And I found when I wasn't overreaching, my neck was properly supported and far more comfortable. Keep in mind, (the small print, here), every person's setup is different. Thus, every person's dilemma is different. Thus, treatment may be different.
@@robertmills6772 thank you. I will try your suggestions.
I had a really expensive bike fit a few years ago, it made no difference at all. The guy was recommended to me by several people and it left me wondering whether or not we're actually buying much more than a placebo. If you're anything like me, you've been riding for years and know yourself best.
Thing is you'll never know if your bike fit is right until you've ridden 100 miles with the setup. I found the best thing to do was repeatedly make micro adjustments after every longer ride and eventually over a long time you can dial it in.
That MAAP Evade jersey is perfect for hot (>28) and humid conditions. If you live in a tropical/monsoonal climate and piss sweat but want comfy, this is the jersey to get. My go to.
I’ve always wondered where the optimal placement of the cleats should be; you explored the lateral float on this video, but I’m thinking about the forward/backward placement of the cleat itself. My instinct has always been to place it as far towards the ball of the foot (usually pushing it very forward), because I get the sense that the ball of the foot generates the most power. But then there’s ankling…
Great question, I'll see if Dan's got anything to add to this and get back to you!
@@grantritchieyour cleats are very far BACK. Which is actually GOOD. Many many bike-fitters recommend putting the cleats far back, not at all forward. It is a misconception.
@@SamuelBlackMetalRider i get knee pain with the cleats too far forward
thansk for the video, nice to refresh the thinking about the points you observed - notably about getting someone else to make those last fine adjustments
The bike I bought was expensive but the shop basically did no fitting. Just a quick look at how the leg was at bottom of stroke. The bike was very uncomfortable and now I know why! Thanks
Excellent. I do bike fit and the points made here can be applied by anyone. Cleat..Insoles VERY important,yet often not considered. Also position of brake lever.
It would be really great to explore how to match position (as much as possible) between two bikes…
Great idea, we’ll add it to the list!
Great vid team, super informative or a tricky topic!
I've never gotten a professional bike fit. My rides are 3+ hours, 8-12 hours per week depending on season/weather. I occasionally have some issues early in the year which are usually hand/finger numbness, back/neck soreness, arm/shoulder soreness, or minor knee pain. Later in the year these aches and pains completely disappear. The best bike fit is to get fitter.
Sounds like you’ve been fortunate with getting a good fit initially. I do think you can get 80% there on your own, but trust me that last 20% from a good bike fitter is significant and might also lead to less future injuries. In this visit, I think Dan prevented me from getting a more serious knee injury over time due to cleats, and I wouldn’t have noticed as it would have been gradual. But I also wouldn’t say it’s absolutely essential.
Agree with you. I used to get tingling palms but I did core exercise and it just went away. Also my knee some time gets a bit of pain, I later discover my knees like cleat with a bit more float.
I ride at least as much as you do, but you are a probably a lot younger than some of us, who have lifetimes of significant injuries, where continuing with pain can cause things to worsen over time. A bike fit with a proper physio enabled me to keep going. For me it is absolutely not a placebo. Pretty sure the TdF riders don't all get bike fits either, but bodies get used to things when you are young.
@@phoffen3829what? Pros get several different bike-fits every year. They optimize everything to the millimeters. Because they are riding 30+ hours a week so no room for « discomfort » and efficiency MUST BE optimal. They even do wind-tunnel sessions to optimize their position etc
I cant believe you opted to remove the rear wheel rather than the front to place the bike in your boot!
haha! It had come straight off the trainer ;)
@@grantritchie if you don't have a derailleur hanger allignment gauge, try to not leave the bike in that way, so easy to knock the rear derailleur.
I’m verrrrry careful 😬
Hello, im having hip flexor pain after 1hr cycling. What would be the cause?
Go and see a bike fitter, they'll sort it out for you!
I use UKBikfit to Dans great 👍
Brilliant video! I
You didn't turn bike upside down to install wheel once out the car , a tip of the cap to you sir.
What size do you need in the inserts????.
I've got a 3 in one and a 4 in the other 👌🏻
How much does a bike fit cost on the UK?
Depends where you go really as everywhere is different, but typically between £150-300. Dan is £239, but he includes a lot in that cost including a biomechanical assessment, video analysis etc
Did you bike fitter question you about your about integrated handlebar/stem ? And was he OK fitting you to that cockpit because a lot of fitters don’t like to work on integrated handlebar/stem
@Dan correct me if I'm wrong but he was absolutely fine with it because it fits me well. I think bike fitters tend to have an issue with them because they are mega expensive to change stem length or handlebar width as you need to buy a whole new cockpit, but if you know your sizing and buy the right size, then there's no big issue.
As a fixed gear rider, I love to change my stem and handlebars very often (seat too) for different ride feels and looks.
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Is that a major issue when it comes to fitting or does it makes sense to also take these possible changes into account?
It probably depends how far you’re riding. If it’s not that far then you’ll probably get away with small changes regularly.
@@grantritchie
Great!
Usually not much :)
But there are times with 100km+ where i've felt some issues
I think Dan and I will have an upcoming video that might help. Stay tuned 👀
@@marceloalbujai ride fixed and road. I own many different bikes, varying in sizes & geometry. For rides under 2 hours small changes don’t matter. For longer rides of 4-5 hours (I’ve done rides Fixed & Brakeless of 8-10 hours) you better have everything set neatly. Including the choice of shoes & saddle & bibshorts. I ride several full carbon saddles and no problem as long as you’ve got a great pair of bibs. Been riding fixed gear for about 7 years now so I know a thing or two. I’m very much performance oriented. I have some fixed gear bikes for commuting where performance doesn’t matter and only style does hahaha for rides of 30-45 minutes so in such circumstances comfort is irrelevant and you can get away with anything.
@@SamuelBlackMetalRider
Top!
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My same thoughts, gets me on the right path. I am no performance bloke, but one time after a breakless 160km ride, I got some knee, ass pain and hand issues that left me thinking… i commute every day for about chill 10km maybe I change between 5 veery different bikes (slack-steep, 2.4-3.7 ratio, risers-triathlon handlebars) every day, so maybe I maybe be aggravating those issues without knowing it(?)
On track one time also used for good 90km Full carbon without binge and was no issue whatsoever, so a bit confused at this point haha
I never understood why they don't make these cleats of a better quality, more rigid plastic that doesn't worn out like butter in a season. Well, I prob know the answer...
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capitalism. especially in physio therapy there is a lot of product made to wear off so people have to buy new stuff all the time. happens in every industry.
Maybe harder cleat would damage the pedals.
Aluminium would nice!
Years ago , Time shoes had metal cleats. The metal cleat wore the pedal body. They switched to plastic cleats. Cheaper to replace cleat then pedal!!! I still have some of the metal cleats.
I’m confused. What’s a bake-fet?
Brilliant
GOod video!
Thanks mate 🙏
GET MTB SPD s INSTEAD THEY LAST LONGER AND YOU CAN WALK AROUND WITH THE SHOES BETTER TOO !!
I've got them on my gravel bike! I do like them, but I feel like the road cleats feel more stable for the road. Could be the shoes though!
What's a beac fit
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I would say your saddle is few milimeters too high based on the angle of your knee on the lowest position.
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Your handlebars are way too wide, you would not need to rotate the hoods inwards if you had the right handlebar width.
The wear on the bottom of the cleats has nothing to do with the interface to the pedal. The working surfaces of the cleat are the undercut portions at the front and rear edges. Sure, the rubber feet are worn off at the front and that can certainly make them a bit slippery but, cleaning up the frayed edge at the toe end will make them feel like new again. In my opinion, those cleats had plenty of life left in them. YMMV.
What’s the bike fed? 😂😂😂 sorry just jk
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*bake fat
There’s another one 😅
That bike is 6cm too small. Your head is way out over the front wheel.
Placebo effect. Bike fitters are the chiropractors of the bicycle industry.
Have you tried one?
@@yourdeadjackobviously he hasn’t. That’s such a stupid take. If anything, every shop should offer bike fitting when buying a new bike. Pros do several bike-fittings every year to optimize efficiency & comfort to the millimeter but yeah, it’s just in their heads of course 🙄
Get a good e bike,👍
Magic