How To Justify Buying 7 Nail Guns
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I test out and review 7 framing nailers: Hikoki (Hitachi Metabo Hpt), Dewalt, Milwaukee, Paslode and Airbow.
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0:00 Intro
0:33 Framing nailers I use
1:08 Evolution of the Nail Gun
2:06 Pneumatic Nailer
4:44 Gas Nailer, Paslode
7:10 Battery Nailer
9:02 Smoko Time
9:32 Squarespace
10:46 Airbow Story
12:04 Unbiased Nail Gun Review
14:25 What is the best nail gun?
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Jess’s point is very valid. If you’re paying for a machine to do the hard work why should you be working so hard?
I totally agree with Jess why wouldn't you expect a fairly expensive specific tool to do the job it is labeled to do without to much additional effort.
Stay safe and keep up the great videos.
I expect Weight is the issue. For a nail gun to replace the contribution of the operator, it would probably need to be heavier. So that when the nail is forced into the timber, the reaction is countered by mere gravity.
That’s probably *too* much weight.
@@frankblack1481 But most nails are driven horizontally. Weight would provide inertia. But one of the best nail guns was the pneumatic, which was the lightest.
@@frankblack1481 while guns need to be backed up, its the speed the nail gets fired at that determines penertration.
Could say she hit the nail on the head …. I’ll get my coat !!!
I bought this nail gun as we were planning to renew all the fencing in our back garden. As this involved 19 double slatted fence panels, 10 of which needed to be cut down in size, we knew there would be a need for a great th-cam.com/users/postUgkxHQsUrwNr5GQrnx9V4xDdUr56qxwuiBHt deal of re-stapling the wooden slats to the wooden framework. Each alteration required the re-stapling of 62 wooden slats with double staples. Prior to starting the work we ordered sufficient additional staples as per the instructions with the gun.The gun performed fantastically throughout the entire project with no jams of misfires. The adjustable power was excellent allowing the staples to be fired into the 8mm slats to the correct depth. For the price paid this was a bargain and it proved itself to be so reliable and versatile making an arduous task much quicker and professional. I cannot recommend this product highly enough and it will be used on many other projects in the future.
Getting Jess involved was genius. Thank you.
I’m a framer up here in Canada and I’ve had experiences with all of these as well except the Airbow of course. Started off with air powered nailers and still use them for building walls and things that use a lot of nails. They are by far the fastest and the cordless ones are just too slow for walls. For floor joists and trusses I prefer cordless, started with the paslode but was very inconsistent, it just needed too much maintenance. Switched over to Hitachi, I loved it but the once winter rolled around it would not work. Next was Dewalt since most of our tools are dewalt. You get used to the motor and it’s a good nailer (shitty hook though) but nailing into lvl or through gussets causes it to jam and after a couple times it requires maintenance. It worked great in the winter though. I now have a Milwaukee and it’s by far the heaviest but also the fastest of the cordless and the most powerful. Haven’t used it in the winter yet but some buddies of mine have it as well and have had no problems.
All of my framing guns are 30 years old. I bought Paslode when they first came out here in the U.S. I tried to give it away recently, without luck. At least with a compressor you can up the pressure and get nails to sink properly. Gas-battery guns came out in the last couple years of my contacting career. Very handy, but weak as all-around tools on a typical job site. Having a gun on your hip with a synthetic tank of compressed air seems like a disaster waiting to happen. At this point, all of the projects I'm involved in, which isn't a lot, frankly, are put together with fancy-dancy screws that are designed to be seen (the heads, at least). The biggest problem with nail guns, if you screw up something, and have to pull out all of the nails you peppered your work with, you'll be swearing up a storm afterwards, whereas if you screwed the work together, taking those speciality screws out of the wood is easy-peasy.
I recently switched to a Milwaukee and I absolutely love it. I’m a renovations carpenter so we don’t always need a nail gun but when we do I love how easy and convenient it is to just grab the gun and go. I will say though, there is no battery or gas gun on the market that is as light and can shoot as fast/ consistent a good quality pneumatic nailer.
I love the Milwaukee too. The Dewalt, which powers all my other tools, is too noisy and I don’t like the preload sound.
Just bought a 15 ga milwaukee gun. Company has a few and just had to have my own I loved it so much. Perfect for nailing pvc trim. No hose and very consistent strikes.
The DeWalt nailer was on setting '1' which is for a softer drive with smaller nails. It needed to be on '2'
Quite common that people don’t set the tools correctly.
The Dewalt has two settings for power. The first one is the switch which shows 1 or 2. In this video was set to 1, which means low power. The second setting is sequential/bump mode. When shooting long nails, you want it in sequential mode and power level “2”, that’s when it will properly shoot long nails. In bump mode, the power is lower with respect to sequential mode.
black n yellow decker suck balls man they jam out every fxxxkin nail , now the chop saw is sweet but no to das nailer
I can really appreciate the effort you go to with your videos. They’re such good quality with your filming and editing. I don’t know how you find time to do it? You must be none stop working. I’ve only made a small handful of videos and I struggle finding time for that and they are poor in comparison to yours. So hats off to you Scott well done!
Hi there Scott. I appreciate the continuous videos and educational aspect tied into them.
From my experience in NY, I learned carpentry framing starting out using an air nailer. It is my more preferred nailer as it is a bit lighter, I am comfortable with it, am able to use the hose to lower/raise the gun if working from heights and feel it is reliable.
I suppose it is a case by case basis and is an overall good practice to have a variety. For example, if you only need to nail something off quick, a battery nailer I could see myself using.
Keep up the good work Scott!
Hey Scott great video. I too have an array of different powered nail guns I started off with air powered framing guns, I then went to a paslode battery operated framing gun but ended up reverting back to air because of the cost of fuel cells. My first battery operated framing gun was the Dewalt Ii was disappointed with it but that’s what I had for the first two or three years of just battery, my next battery framing gun was the Metabo/Hitachi I have been pretty happy with this gun but it’s the only tool I have on the Hitachi battery platform. I still use the Hitachi framing gun from time to time but I mostly use the Milwaukee framing gun I’ve been pretty happy with it besides the weight. On large framing jobs I still use air powered framing guns. The paslode and Dewalt pretty much stay in my shop now.
Thanks for this video. I have always wondered about the different styles of nailers. As a novice woman builder I loved that Jess tried it out. Her reaction was similar to what I feel mine would be.
I really don't think her reaction is unreasonable for anyone. they're very loud and sound like they can hurt you, because, well, they really can. My brother had a similar, just slightly more reserved reaction to mine. She's also not wrong that the milwaukee is HEAVY. I use mine only occasionally, and the lack of a compressor makes the milwaukee nailer make sense for me, but if I used a nail gun all day, every day, the cordless compressor/good pneumatic gun combo would be my recommendation. Don't beat up your body trying to be macho in this trade, it's great you're a woman builder, my daughter may very well join you in that title one day, but take care of your body, plenty of guys ruin theirs doing this.
I've been a carpenter for 3 years now in the states working on remodels and such. Having used Milwaukee fuel products all my career this far it makes so much sense to get the m18 nailer for when you need to frame something for not too long and don't need to pull an air compressor out. plus their warranty policy is fantastic. i can deal with the weight as long as if im not framing all day
Hi Scott, Senco was my first and has been my only framing gun, using an air line and it weighs a ton. But it shoots through anything. That was over 20 years ago now and it just keeps going, I oil each day and I've only had serviced once. Love your vid's Thank you and Jess for all the work. Cheers
Same. Serviced once. Still going strong. Farking heavy. Every time I use someone else's Paslode, I have problems with it. I have been looking at them for decades but am yet to be convinced. I think they were about two grand when they first came out.
When you showed the Dewalt failing to sink nails into the LVL you had it on the '1' setting which is the low power setting for soft wood / short nails to save battery. Its still not the best nailgun but it is by far the cheapest non air option as its usually 550-600 ish with battery and charger and seems to work fine in my experience.
I love the weight. Gets the job done! M18 is what I have now but I hate 13lbs
This is super interesting because in the U.S. we still use pneumatic guns mainly. And honestly if you can afford a compressor and the gun I would highly recommend them. Max framer, Hikoki, Senco, Paslode, Etc. All make fantastic guns that are fairly cheap compared to what you can build with them. I do currently own the milwaukee battery gun for little jobs like you said. But at the end of the day you just can't beat the pneumatics yet. Maybe when they shave the weight off the battery guns they could become the main nailers.
I talked to building framing contractors working on the housing development we bought in. They all have 5 or 6 pneumatic nailers but in cold weather they usually have a few in for repairs. Ice buildup in the cold weather breaks the head mechanism. I have seen more battery units this fall (2022) so I am guessing that is the new trend.
@@normferguson2769 Ya the cold is super hard on the peumatics but the battery guns struggle as well from my experience. Batterys are not fond of the cold.
*Scott great review.... and well done Jess for giving your overall review too.*
Ok Scott -as requested 2 points. 1. the best burgers are grilled on an open flame preferably over a charcoal "barbie". 2. Here in California, "old school" contractors like myself mostly use the Hitachi stick nailer (compressor) for new construction (I don't mind the hose) & I'm seeing a lot more of the battery powered nailers showing up on interior remodels. Over the last few years, I've been switching my battery powered drivers to Milwaukee so I would say that is the brand to buy for a framing nailer & your video confirms that it is the most powerful especially driving into LVL's which are being used to a greater extent everyday.
On a completely different note- your video's make me anxious to take a vacation back down there. My brother lives in Nelson now, but in the mid to late 80's he was in Wellington and i moved there to work for Hawkins- 1st on a building for the Ministry of Education out in Lower Hutt & then as the the Project Manager on a new Domestic Terminal for ANZ at the Wellington Airport.
Hello Scot and Jess, Hose nail gun Makita, still got it. Then got a paslode and now I own a Hikoki, love the Hikoki just a little loud. Awesome vids I watch every week!!
I started out with a pneumatic nail gun at school but as a self employed carpenter without a drivers license that was not an option any more and I hated the bloody hose that other people tripped on or got in the way so I bought a Ryobi nailer as that was the only one I could afford but that one had issues with the "firing pin" (pin that hit the nails to fire). after it breaking twice without me doing anything wrong I did not have a nailer for a couple months and then through a lot of luck with a apprentice ship they bought me a new milwaukee battery nailer and that thing is just heaven. it works when ever you need it, rarely jams and yes it is heavy but it gets the job done and it has the most satisfying sound i ever heard.
Thank you for the review, I was on the fence about buying a framing gun. now I know to go to Milwaukee because of the wait and ease of use. we are amateur in the house and we are looking to raise walls and that will help us a lot
you have an excellent channel and we're thanking you from Montreal, QC, Canada.
+1 on a Makita, but 18v! 😊
I’m using the Hitachi 18v, now Hikoki. On 2.0E LVL in Canada it does extremely well even with galvanized ring shank nails. Granted mine has surely shot fewer nails than yours has.
The Hikoki is quite a bit cheaper than the Milwaukee in Canada as well, so that’s something, but if you’re already on team Red that’s the one that makes sense.
It’s no surprise Milwaukee “nailed it” after benchmarking the Hitachi for what, 4 years? 😊
Makita opened the door to Milwaukee for tools by not having a nail gun. I may have gone and bought some of their 20V platform if they had that or stuck with the 18V platform entirely.
But because I needed a framing nailer and Milwaukee's are so damned nice I now have one of those and 2 of their batteries plus a charger. And anyone who uses tools knows that the battery platform you are invested in dictates the brand of tools you buy. I now have both platforms.
I brought the hikoki because you and a few others had used them, I'm just a hobbyist, works really well for me so far. It's the best because not dragging around compressor
Great video Scott! I run Milwaukee most days, as a renovator/contractor. I upgraded to the longer magazine (holds 2 full clips)
DHG here, thanks for another great vid, Scott brown. I have the DeWalt and all my other battery tools are DeWalt so I'm stuck with it. however,I've found it to be good so far.
Who would have thought I would be interested in nail guns 😁however Scott you make it fun ,light and interesting! Jess’s intro into Squarespace is a winner .😎 Keep up the good work SBC
I 'retired' in March 2021 knowing that I had about twenty years of significant projects and property / house maintenance that I needed to do, including 50+ metres of wooden fences that needed to be replaced, as well as some building work that was going to involve framing etc. I also wanted an air compressor in my workshop. Up until now I had most recently gone down the DeWalt path with my battery tools. The DeWalt nailer did not have very good reviews so I initially purchased the Hikoki battery version. I realised really quickly that it is quite weighty for my aged shoulders, though better balanced than the DeWalt. Thankfully I was able to return it, and purchase the compressed air version. As most of my work is going to be on the one site, that works, and I am much happier with the weight of it. I have about 50 metres of air hose.
I'd take a look at the Max high pressure system that Awesome Framers have good info on as well. Pneumatic, but the higher pressure allows the gun to be much smaller and maneuverable as well as allowing you to carry coils of framing nails instead of just a stick or two. Maybe less useful for renovations but looks like it'd be a winner for new house framing.
Powerlite are amazingly powerful nailers, but whoa are they expensive. The weight savings is awesome but my favorite thing about them is the cleanout system that expels debris and water when the hose is disconnected.
Good video! cool to see all the different kinds of nailerguns compared.
I've used both the hikoki and the milwaukee battery nailer's. Both shot well into Pine and lvl when new. After about 6 months of daily use both stopped driving as well. i did prefer the Milwaukee more though but that might be bias since I use other Milwaukee tools. One down side to the battery guns is that they can slow you down when you are trying to nailer as fast as possible, pneumatic nailers do a better job at that.
I'm yet to come across a scenario where I even need to use the advertised 3 shots a second on the Milwaukee nailer, and I don't even have the bump fire feature in mine because bump fire framers are illegal in NZ
For handyman work I've been using Milwaukee nailers - 23ga, 18ga, 16ga, and 15ga - for last several years and have been very pleased with results and performance. They larger ga nailers can be a bit burdensome if working overhead for several hours vs. using a pneumatic nailer. Rarely use pneumatic but occasionally resort to it if my shoulder is acting up. I do find pneumatic stapler a better choice for cabinet building. Easier to maneuver. I've tried DeWalt and found not as good as Milwaukee. So far I haven't had any issues with my battery powered nailers.
I have the 36v new Metabo HPT framing nailer and that slaps harder than Will Smith. I am very curious about makitas 40v framing nailer. Hopefully Tools and Stuff Will have some news soon
What a trooper Jess is. Also such a definitive point she made about the machine working hard. Either way I can't afford one, so it's a an arm extension for with a finely tuned lump of metal for me🔨
If you have a project where this would benefit you, you could probably rent one by the day. save your elbow and wrist a little wear and tear.
Great video I'm in the US and DeWalt was kind of the first battery powered framing nailers got one loved it I do a lot of small things so if I don't have to drag out a compressor hose and a cord I'm happy got there 15 gauge angled nailer love it and I've got all the air guns too but like I said most of my stuff is small so it's nice not having to drag out a compressor
Love my pneumatic metabo hpt/hitachi as 4.9 lbs and 2 strips nails and great for production framing and overhead framing. Metabo hpt strap nailer/metal connector 36v is nice, heavy, but nice. Than have my Milwaukee for when my metabo hpt/hitachi 18v/36v nailer can’t sink nails in materials (usually stud pack of LvL or similar and doesn’t happen often, and run this gun more than Milwaukee is b/c my 1st & 2nd guns, easy to get parts and refill air inside gun (newer guns don’t need this but older battery nailers do after many many nails gone thru; and takes 5 mins).
So, if doing any work overhead I get small compressor out (100 psi max 1.5-2 gal) and use pneumatic as light and easy! To use, along w/ framing up a lot of stuff. If getting into crawl spaces or not so much framing, it’s battery nailer, as taking a hose up/under house is never fun, and gets in way very quick….so battery all way here.
So yep, hav8ng a pneumatic and battery is good if in trades and do lots of projects and diff types of materials, if diy/homeowners I’d say if 8n platform get that battery nailer, or if money an issue and have compressor go pneumatic as can go thru any material and light.
Cheers✌🏻
With all the new technology around nailers, I still use an electric air compressor and hose for framing and finishing. They're consistent, inexpensive and when you learn to leave the compressor in the truck/trailer the noise is never a problem. The only thing that gets me is rolling up 200' of air line at the end of each day. I've been very tempted to buy cordless nailers but still don't see the benefits until they reduce the size and weight.
Great video as always, keep them coming!
I'm from the netherlands, bought the hikoki after your first review, and still after a few years of abuse, still going strong. The first month i had a problem with the presure but it was a quick fix and fast service from hikoki.
Originally brought air framing and bradder (never actually used the framing), then changed to Paslode because having hose and compressor was a hassle. Year ago working with friends they had Dwalt and Hikoki battery framers, by the end of week I had a Hikoki framer. Hikoki is great working on renovations with Rimu framing, fully sinks 90mm nails. Brought a Metabo (Hikoki) 15ga from US, also great. Haven't looked back, no jams, no misfires, no maintenance like the Paslode, cheaper nails - all bonuses.
Great video. I recently bought the Ryobi one plus nail gun and it's been surprisingly powerful. I bought it for DIY skirting boards but I also used it on some hardwood no issues.
Ryobi tools are no joke
My professional carpenter career was in the 1980s. I started and finished with a Hart California framing hammer with the axe handle driving vinyl coated sinkers into Doug Fir studs. I turned 60 this week and feel like "PrimitivePete"
I used a von couldn't afford the California framer I'm 71 now can't pick up my 32 oz von
Great video, Scott.
Majority of my guns are hitachi that are either battery or pneumatic. I enjoy them all except the 15g battery hitachi (hikoki where you are). It normally drives 2" nails into softer woods, but rarely drives 2.5" nails into softer woods. I just need to sell that gun, it's unreliable. Very happy with their 16 gauge though! I don't mind doing a little extra hammering for framing, but that's a big no for finish work. I want that nail driven in right the first time.
The square space intro's are starting to become a guilty pleasure. It's the sunshine in my overcast week.
I have an older Paslode framing nailer which has always worked great, but I also have a couple of Hitachi/Hikoki finish nailers (and a Bostich air framing nailer) which I really like, and I've been thinking of upgrading. Thing is, I almost never use it, so whether it is worth it or not is an open question - kinda a luxury. The biggest thing for me is repeat and short cycle time, plus battery platform - right now I'm on Hitachi/Metabo, Makita and Milwaukee M12, with Makita for construction and M12 for automotive - Metabo is mostly nailers, but I have their big boy 1/2 impact. I don't need yet another battery platform.
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Last thing I need is a nailer yet I watched the whole thing. Well done mate. 😅
love my paslode nice weight behind them been using them since I started carpentry I love that I can hold it in both hands especially doing framing all day long with the weight of the pouch its all I need
I ended up going Hikoki after watching you smash yours day in, day out. I'm in the property maintenance, occasional carpentry business, love the cost reduction and lower maintainance vs gas powered, and the noise reduction, may have gone Milwaukee , but got it over a year ago before you got your version. Weight suck, but I treat it as my arm day lol.
I've got the DeWalt, mainly as I've bought into that system, and it was cheap 2nd hand. Have found it's powerful enough for most jobs once you learn how to use it. You have to let it ramp up enough, but not too much, and press down a bit. And the first few fires after an extended holiday are always weak, as if the friction wheel/plate needs to condition. After a few fires it's ready for hard woods. I use it with 5AH batteries as that's what I have.
The Dewalt has two power settings settings. The first one is the switch which shows 1 or 2. In this video was set to 1, which means low power. The second setting is sequential/bump mode. Sequential has more power than bump mode. When shooting long nails, you want it in sequential mode and power level “2”, that’s when it will properly shoot long nails.
Watching your videos I have been looking at the Hitachi (Hikoki). They have a decent price and multiple guns. Awesome videos and thanks for testing on lvls
I use to use a Paslode (no longer have it) as well as use to use a hose pneumatic but that use to belong to the company I worked for at the time, I now have the Hitachi Framing & Brad nailers as well as AEG Framing and brad... the thing I like about the AEG framer is you just pick it up and fire unlike the Hitachi which you have to switch on and it turns off too quickly... both good nailers tho....
Im honestly so surprised that the new updated paslode still struggles with harder timbers. I remember in your old comparison vids you had a older model paslode which fair enough could have less power than the new fellas but wow. I guess the extra mini hikoki compressor you gotta carry in your hand rly helps out
Always a good day when an SBC video pops up 👍
Had the Milwaukee for a month and it’s a serious tool! The weight took some getting used to but other than that it’s flawless! Won’t be going back to a paslode that’s for sure 🤩
I started as a part time handyman 30 yrs ago. So I'm very old school with all pneumatic guns. Mostly Senco, some Bostitch . Framer to staples . I don't work them hard so they've held up well.
had an old im350, got rid as gas has gone crazy price, went with milwaukee, yes its heavy but i prefer the battery system to the hikoki which was my 2nd choice, overall i have had it 2 years roughly and the thing is a beast. it never misses and the depth adjustment is quality
Cool video. I have a Pasload framing nailer. For what we do it is enough. I’ve used the Dewalt on before and it was great as well. In addition, I have heard that the Milwaukee nailer is the best as far as use.
The Dewalt nailers are super popular in USA. Most people say you have to use a bigger battery to drive the nails all the way. Even though you had a powerstack battery, its a 2AH one and its just not enough. Try it again witha a 4+AH battery, i think you will be surprised by the results. As far as nailers i LOVE my Milwaukee brad nailer. I know its not a framing gun but i havent had any need in one so far. I mostly do finish carpentry right now. I used to use a Dewalt one but it kinda went out on me after a while. Milwaukee one is so slick and sounds just right. The Dewalt ones can get kinda annoying with their ramp up sounds.
The go to for shear nail driving power is my old Senco SN70 - it will drive a nail through a Abrams Tank - but it is heavy - currently like the Paslode - yes the gas is a hassle but for all it is lighter than the new battery nailers and seems to drive well into just about any normal framing material summer and winter. I think the battery powered air compressors may make the old pnematic nailers worth a second look if you can work with a shorter hose and there is enough air for the task.
Love that about Jess. Let her do the amazing cooking you stick to nailing. A beautiful thing!
Awesome transition Jess!
I agree with Jess the overall best performer is Milwaukee framer, it works perfect for our reno work we do nailing into old pine and native timber. We also have the Paslode and Hikoki and an air Frame-Pro. I also used Paslode, Hikoki and air Paslode finishing guns but the best one is my recently purchased 15g Milwaukee angle brader, that thing is awesome.
How long have you been using the Milwaukee? Have you noticed any loss of power? I have 2 and neither seem to be able to fully sink a nail anymore.
@@gkoshinsky the Milwaukee framer has been good. Had the gun for about 1 1/5 years but don't use it all the time just when we need the power. The Milwaukee finisher is only about 1 month old. But I did need to get both Hikoki guns regassed under warranty.
Go Jess! My first (and only) experience with a framing gun was using a friend’s pneumatic nailer making a shed frame. Heavy, scary and poor weight distribution especially when used for long periods. I think I emitted similar noises to Jess and totally agree with her ‘philosophy ‘.
First time you use any tool there is that bit of trepedation. I remember getting my mom to run a tracksaw, she was 54 years old never touched tools in her life, but while we were sheeting a shed the easiest and best way for her to help us was to set her up in the shop with the track saw and get her to cut the boards. She was abit scared at first but after the safety runthrough and some starting supervision she was ripping through material in no time. Later on in the project she was using impact drivers and sawzals.
@@BType13X2 What a great Mum💚
I have a Bostitch N88 that is getting old, but stunningly reliable with good power. Later I bought a Senco FramePro 325 XP which was not my favourite gun, but it served me well with reasonable power until I dropped it on concrete from a great height 2 months ago. I also have 2 Metabo's (Hikoki) that work great and are light, but if you hit a gang plate or something hard, it's common for the driver pin to ride up over the head or the nail and jam it. I recently bought a cordless gun, the Metabo/Hikoki. A bit heavy, but it fires really well. But I only use it for random spot jobs. For most of the framing I do, I'll never give up the air guns, despite the hose. The power and speed is much superior.
This is great, even brought my girlfriend in to watch the last bit! I picked up a Milwaukee a few months ago and was a little shocked by the weight, so I found a sale on a Paslode to try. Loved the weight but the operation seemed clunky in comparison and I wasn't a fan of the gas smell at all. Breathing that for years can't be good for your health. I sent back the Paslode and am sticking with the Milwaukee. Will still run air if I'm nailing off sheathing (mainly for capacity) or working overhead all day. Love your stuff, keep it up, mate!
I always have an air powered, and the DeWalt. Not saying they're the best, but they were first to market in North America. Mine was terrible at first, but I took it apart and cleaned really well with degreaser, especially the rubber wheel. Rubber releases oils as it first goes through friction cycles. Now it's by far my most powerful nailer, and I'm still running the original version. Also the gyroscopic effect was hard to get used to, but I now use it to my advantage. A gun shouldn't need work when new, but they are so easy to work on and fix.
I only do stuff renovating at home, so i have the hikoki air nailer, and just love it. It is the most powerful nailer on the market according to the project farm youtube channel, is ridiculously light, and always fires nails in fully with very little effort.
Hi there, Awesome Framers (just North of here, and another great channel) did a review where it pretty much boiled down to: weight. Fair enough, especially if you are framing out a house and that is what you are setting up for then a hundred billion nells later and the weight is all there is. I am tooled up with Milwaukee batteries, and am not a framer, so their framing neller was an obvious choice when I am doing remodel and etc. I have their 18g, the 18g stapler (put up a t&g cedar ceiling with it) and the 21g pin gun which all are quick and easy for finish/trim carpentry; the huge advantage for me is I still don't have or need a compressor. Yes a big bang when you throw a nell, No not the continuous drone of a compressor and when you work in occcupied spaces this is a big big advantage. Thanks and try American cheese on a burger it is the only thing it's good for, true, but it is really good at it.
🎉 love your vids man!!!
Using the Max SuperFramer CN890F2 coil nailer, pneumatic powered atm... mainly caus i got put off buying the Paslode for the gas smell and cost of nails/cartridges, and at that time there were no other proper full battery powered machines available to me.
The coil nailer works like a dream, but you have to deal with the (annoying) hose. Did spot the Senco framing nailer coming to market here now, which has the same nitrogen cell technology as my Senco finish nailer so expect that to work wonders... but got a steep price which is putting me off justifying buying it for lack of framing work needing to do atm. Considerations to make, cheers for the vid Scott!! Informative
It was fun watching Scott react to the Hikoki nailer. I use a similar Hitatchi (21 degree) for framing, and its easily one of the best, most reliable tools I've ever had. Hitatchi/Metabo are all over the place here in California
As a contractor I have 2 of each metabo nailer/stapler that I paid 0$ out of pocket for. All menards rebates. And I wouldn't have wanted another brand anyways lol
I got the hikoki framing nailer and Milwaukee brad nailer and that's been an epic combo for me. Both feel really nice to use. I power mine with Makita batteries because buying hikoki or Milwaukee batteries and chargers for one tool that isn't used often enough isn't worth it.
Jess is spot on, buy a tool to make work easier not harder 😂
As a DIYer. I chose to go a simpler/less expensive rout. I bought a regulator for my paintball air tank and a 3 ft whip from flexzilla and I basically have something similar to the airbow. Benefit is that I can use the tank to power any pneumatic nailer I have and get white a few shots out of my 4k PSI tank. For a large job I just use my air compressor
I've seen a guy on TH-cam do that as well.. It seems like such a no brainer.. But I'm guessing you need a compressor and tank that holds way more than the usual 120psi or so right?
@@mikegilberg8776 Yes, a new paintball tank which is fiber wrapped can hold up to 4000 psi, with a common size being about 68 cu inches. To me it looks like that’s the size the airbow is using. I get my tank filled at my local paintball shop for free and I just store it as my “battery”. If I need to drive a couple nails here and there I use the small tank and whip combo. I just couldn’t justify replacing my conventional framer, 15ga nailer, pin nailer all for well over 1000 dollars for battery versions when I don’t use them as much outside a shop environment. You can find used paintball tanks on marketplace all the time just be mindful that they need to be tested every 5 years and last a total of 15. So if you buy one second hand make sure it’s a newer one. The regulator I purchased on Amazon was the Interstate Pneumatics WRCO2.
I totally want to see Jess try the air compressor gun! That’s my go-to!
The thing about the Paslode gas though, is I always end up with way more cartridges than needed. They fire more nails than supplied in the boxes so non-gas nail packs can also be used. Gas is not a large expense - the price equivalent of a few meters of framing timber!
Yea whenever i do an order i get a mixture of nails with gas and without to balance that
American here! Have a desalt battery finish nailer LOVE IT. Have a metabo pneumatic framing nailer ITS MY FAVORITE
Toronto area, Canada. I do kitchen installs and have need for 18Ga and 22Ga. Had pneumatics, tripped on hoses climbing ladders, got Hikoki/Hitachi. Fkn love them. So much faster and easier than pneumatics and I get an arm workout since they're much bulkier and heavier. When I took a framing job, I naturally added the Hikoki framing nailer. It's a beast, it scares me, I LOVE it.
I used in on SPF (spruce pine fir) and it made me look like a pro framer, which I SOOO am not. Previously I used a couple cheapo pneumatic ones (old job for stingy all around bad human) that were rode hard and put away wet. No comparison to Hikoki. Like comparing $h1t to chocolate. That's what I know for sure.
I had a renovation company for 10 years and primarily only framed basement interior partition walls. I started out with air powered tools and gradually progressed to using the Dewalt cordless tools. I found the cordless 20V dewalt framers adequate for my use. I had a Paslode 18 guage finish nailer that broke down several times and upgraded to the new Milwaukee 18 guage nailer which is far superior. If starting again, I would go down the red brick road, not the yellow brick road for nailers.
Would love to see you review more bosch products, mostly because I'm using the blue bosch line 🙂 They did just come out with a nailgun , like half a year ago.
Great work keep it up 👍
I thought that having Jess add her opinion was a great idea. She added a perspective of something men don't think about. A smaller boned woman (or man) may look more at the weight and the requirement to add force to the gun to fire. I only do little stuff at home or at friend's places as a hobby so I stick with an air compressor and cheaper gun (and a hammer to hit the nails that don't go in). I will take my little portable compressor if going somewhere and use my large one at home. It seems to me that which model is the best is a decision on the user and what they require as each had a different gun and opinion. Long winded but my wife went to work and I had no one to talk to.
LOVE This Guy and the Channel! Cheers! 👍👍👍😊
Jess convinced me. I bought the milwaukee to do my roof next week.
The PREBENA PKT-system is the same idea as the AIRBOW. I've seen the PKT-system for years in use by the guys who build shipping-contraptions for heavy machinery as CNCs, robots, etc. here in Germany. Some of them got the specialty nailers with built-in aircontainer but most of them got the system for the belt, you could use any pneumatic nailer with. You can get the aircontainer in different sizes and/or in a Systainer.
Can you please do this for the finish nails as well please
Will be looking to get a combo kit, (framer and pin gun) next year
Love the videos Scott and Jess!!!
Hey Scott, I'm a chippy over in Sydney NSW, I am self employed and I currently own the first Paslode framing gun with the lithium ion batteries, it's one of my favourite models, not a fan of the reload on the new paslodes so I'm staying away from that as long as possible. Haha. I'm also a fan of hikoki pneumatic guns, they are very good and efficient. I bought a cordless hikoki angled brad gun back in February this year and I found that it lacked the oomph that the passie brad had, nails would stick out and the weight was way too much for my belt 8-9hrs a day. Paslode any day for me!
Keep up the good work Scott.
On the DeWalt gun, I must have a unicorn model, I do renovation work in aus. It has no problems sinking nails into hardwood and LVL. Been going solid for 4 years now with it only one service.
less power than my mates hikoki, but prefer the form factor.
Definitely keen to see what Makita does.
I have the same experience with the DeWalt in Canada.
The fact that you posted this at 05:00 in the morning is interesting.How come I was awake watching it 14 minutes later????😂
Favourite framing nailer: my pneumatic Hikoki.
Most used Framing nailer: Hikoki 18v
Had the Dewalt before but I had the same issue, didn't sink nails as it should
GREAT reviw bro, very helpful
We used a paslode, but if we have alot to do will get the pneumatic makita out. We also run a pneumatic ppn nailer and Pneumatic 18g/23g second fix guns. The reliability and consistency of the pneumatic’s is worth the minor inconvenience of the hose and compressor in my opinion.
I started with the Paslode, but I've got a Hikoki framing nailer. I love it but the big bonus is that it matches the rest of my tools
The milwaukee is indeed heavy. I find myself using the Hikoki, BUT I can't say the same for their finish nailers. Hikoki finish nailers can do about 80% of the work, but not so well when you come across harder wood. You can recharge the chamber with compressed air inside the Hikoki, so that's a plus and they also make the 36v version which I heard is pretty good.
Loved this!
I bought into the Milwaukee community many years ago and have a pin nailer, among other things, but for framing I have a pneumatic and a cheap compressor. I bought a long hose, so it reaches anywhere in the house, while the compressor stays in the basement. As you can imagine I don't do a lot of framing, but I also use a pneumatic brad nailer quite a lot.
Great Video Scott
I love my metabo pneumatic nailer super light and bought a quiet compressor so i can take inside. I actually went the opposite way of most people I started with battery powered nail guns and got tired of dead batteries(my fault i don’t charge often) and switched to all aire powered nail guns. Also cordless miter and table saws and switched to corded. I still bust out my battery powered nailers if i only need to shoot a rack or 2 of nails but if im using it all day 100% pneumatic is coming out and never have to worry about a dead battery.
I use pneumatic nailers - the hose and compressor is a small price to pay for the power and low purchase price of the nailers. I picked up a 3 gun combo from Bunnings (Ryobi Airwave set, came with a framing nailer, finishing nailer and a stapler) for $299 and they've been great tools. That's less than half the price for a single battery nailer.
Errmm.. plus compressor. The Airwave 50L is also around $299
@@DiscoFang well yes, if you don't already have one. I already had one for my mechanics air tools. But even so, a compressor is versatile - air tools, nailers, spray guns, pumping up tyres or sports balls.
Great video Scott.I have the Metabo HPT (Hikoki) framing nailer (despite having primarily Dewalt batteries, which I think is clear why from your video) and I really like it, I haven't had any issues with it sinking nails into anything I've come accross. I wanted the Milwaukee, but I was able to get the Metabo on sale with a free 18g Brad nailer, which is also great. My old boss had a Paslode and I like the weight better but It was really inconsistent nailing and like you mentioned you have the buy gas. I also have the Milwaukee 15g finish nailer which is fantastic and the Milwaukee 23g which I'm disappointed in tbh.
Is that the M12 pin nailer? I've been thinking about it for a while. What don't you like about it?
@@toolscientist Yeah its the M12. I think i got a dud, it doesn't sink 1 3/8 pins, bought it from a second hand tool store. All the reviews i watched said it works great.
I have had the paslode for years and it stays in my truck at all times and yes the fuel cartridge is the one negative but for me the weight makes up for it. I also have the metabo battery gun and it comes out when I don’t have fuel cartridges for the paslode both are great options but I like the,form factor of the paslode.
Thanks Scotty & Jess I have 22 power tools but none of them is a Nail Gun. Do I need a Nail gun ? of course I do . My next buy will be a nail gun. I do think if you have existing range of battery tools then it seems sensible to keep the same brand. The battery powered garden tools also fit into this category. Because I have purchase my battery tools over a number of years I have 5 different battery chargers, not ideal. I have a charging bench set up for all these use a glass bench top as fire is your enemy here as a damaged battery becomes a fire hazard. Thanks again Scotty.
I have all Paslode, framing gun, 16 gauge and 18 gauge. Switched over to dewalt a few years back and between 2 of us we killed 5 in 6 months with multiple repairs in between, 3 x type 2 and 2 x type 3. Went straight back to Paslode. We do use an air compressor for coil nailers mainly for flooring and subfloor ply but would never dream of dragging a hose for framing. We're based in Scotland so never encounter any hardwoods or HARDwoods that we would need to drive nails into. I'll buy the Paslode gas less nailer when they perfect it, Paslode aren't stupid I'm pretty confident when the technology is perfected they will be market leaders
I absolutely agree with Jess. Especially considering how much battery powered framing nailers cost.
I started out with the senco gas framer. It had better punch than the Paslode at the time and used the same gas canisters.
I think that was also an issue with the use of paslodes patented tech as they dissapeared not long after.
I am not in the trade anymore but I still have my first gun!