Melee Bugbear (Gloom Stalker + Echo Knight) Optimized
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ส.ค. 2024
- Here we take a look at the best way to make an optimized melee bugbear build.
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0:00 Intro
2:15 The Build
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I left out that you’ll use the +1 to 3 stats for the racial ASI (dex, con, wis)
Bear in mind that when you use the Echo to add the extra movement boost you won’t have it in melee in order to do those Unleash Incarnation attacks.
Good point of clarification.
Bear in mind lol nice
8 attacks in one round? Busted!
I know you mentioned Summon Fey in the video but didn't go over this detail, so this is for anyone reading. If you chose Blind Fighting like he recommends, regardless of how your DM rules the Tricksy Fey's darkness, you can get darkness-on-demand that is completely unobtrusive to your party even in areas where you couldn't normally get it. It doesn't help for your nova round since the Fey goes right after you but can be a big help to contribute dpr after the burst round. Great build as always.
Great build
I run a Bugbear Echo Knight 18/ Barbarian 2, he has quickly become my favorite character.
Never even seen a game played at level 20.
One thing i think that can improve this is taking the thrown weapon fighting style over blind fighting. A rapier with dueling and dagger with dueling and thrown mathematically should be about the same but the added range on the dagger means your at less risk of not hitting a target on the nova turns. You do not get the blind sight but id argue running out of range happens just as much as being in fog or magical darkness or an similar effect. With the echo you get a wide degree of range making it a fairly effective net of areas you can hit and it lso gives u the option to two weapon fight if needed.
For the algo, terrific video!
Excited to see how a Burst build like this does in the Gauntlet, beauces the biggest threats didn’t show up right away in many caeses. A build like really benefits a hit amd run strategy where possible. Hit the biggest enemy you can find and then use you insane stealth to sneak away. Far enough to end iniative before diving back in. A build like this that doesn’t really need short rests could probably still finish the gauntlet in time. How long/ how far away do you think a creature would need to get/ wait for Iniative end? Strategy might be too gimmicky. Other option may just to try to sneak all the way to the big bad drop him run like hell, then sneak out.
Echo Knight is basically a teleporting class, so very good at escapes.
Nice
Squeezing in a level of twilight cleric in the build for at will advantage on initiative & 300ft darkvision would most likely be worth it instead of say the 4th fighter level. :)
Bugbear bit at the bottom.
Level 8/9 Ultra Sprite Fear and Poison Coffeelock. You get your own poison ranger. Read the stat block for Sprite and really focus on the shortbow attack carrier.
A full combat familiar with 3 attacks a turn, a nasty poison carrier to those attacks 100 foot flying speed, and good AC supported by a terror inspiring Form of Dread with a Menacing second attack every turn.
4x Attack rolls, 2x Fear effects, and 3x Poison effects each turn.
3 Warlock/Undead/Chain
- Dread Form
- Investment of the Chain Masters
- gets YOUR save DC and triggered attack
- "unarmored sprite" -1AC
5 Sorcerer/Shadows(in case you go to 6)
- 120' dark vision
- Menacing feat.
- Twinned Haste!
- Coffeelock
Unarmored Sprite with Mage armor = 17AC
Sprite takes reaction attack when you use a bonus action and it uses your spell save DCs. With haste this adds another attack and brings AC to 19. Upto three attacks per round.
16sp worth of short rests(4 hours) provide a full combat of resources. Only 2SP needed in the combat, the rest is through bonus slots. With enough bonus slots built up can repeat this combat 3 times without using any other resources.
Precast Mage Armor and Longstrider on Sprite.(4sp)
Precast Gift of Alacrity and Longstrider on self.(4sp) Consider precasting Flock of Familiars.
1st Round
Action - Twin Haste(2+5sp)
Bonus - Dread Form
Haste Action - Attack w fear effect -or- replace with Menacing
Sprite - 2x Attacks w poison
2nd through 10th Round
Bonus - command sprite
Action - Attack w Fear
Haste - Replace with Menacing
Sprite - 3x attacks with poison
*4 attacks, 2 fear, 3 poison*
+2 poison attacks Flock of Familiars.
One more level of Sorcerer adds the ability to summon Hounds of Ill Omen with their chance to knock people prone, also via your spell save DC. If entering battle with spell slots to burn these are cheap to summon, have pact tactics advantage, and are self controlling once summoned, adding as many trip attacks to your fights as you want. Thier save is vs Str, so great for weak caster and sneaky types.
Giving the Sprite items with which it can cast Hex adds damage and helps lower enemy saving throws.
Flock of Familiars says the familiars follow the rules and options of Find Familiar spell, which for you allows the summoning of Sprite, Quasit, Imp and Psuedodragon with other bonuses. It also costs the same SP to store a slot for as summoning a hound and lasts way longer. Can be precast so even as a base level spell you enter combat with two more sprites, so two more poison attacks each turn vs Con. You have 5 slots of that level.
Take to Warlock 6 and Sorcerer 14 for flavorful compliments to the build(120ft teleports and an escape death feature) or you can combine it with...(literally anything or...)
Bugbear
Knight of Solamnia
11 Fighter Cavalier/Tunnel Fighter
Weilding a pike
Polearm Master
Piercer
Do first level as a fighter, then the 9 levels of horror inspired villainy above before returning to fighter.
Will sacrifice occasional bonus attack from Sprite for tunnel fighter whirling dervish.
Any party will quickly recognize buffing the Sprite as the equivalent to buffing a party member, certainly in terms of temp HP and such.
Addition feats through training should include Great Weapon Master, Inspiring Leader, Defensive Fighting Style, Med/Heavy Armor Master. There are so many others that would just add to the character at this point.
You are a Lu Bu on horse back, with an insane toxic satelite, and you'll be siccing the hounds or sprites on those who run.
On rewatching, did you say you get the benefit of unleash incarnation twice with action surge? It is my understanding it gives you the ability to use UI twice in the round (you have to burn 2 uses).
Yes
So, this build is best suited towards getting those surprise attacks regularly by staying invisible, and letting your echo attack. Depending on your DM this will allow you to get the gloom stalker extra attack and the bugbear bonus damage every round. This tactic is actually RAW as the surprise condition can be activated on any turn of combat it just provides special benefits on the first turn of combat provided you are attacking from stealth. Here are the rules as in the basic rulebook for surprise. You'll note it never directly states that it can only occur on the first turn of combat only that the primary effects take place on the first turn of combat.
The DM determines who might be surprised. If neither side tries to be stealthy, they automatically notice each other. Otherwise, the DM compares the Dexterity (Stealth) checks of anyone hiding with the passive Wisdom (Perception) score of each creature on the opposing side. Any character or monster that doesn't notice a threat is surprised at the start of the encounter.
If you're surprised, you can't move or take an action on your first turn of the combat, and you can't take a reaction until that turn ends. A member of a group can be surprised even if the other members aren't.
The rules (as you’ve posted) specify “at the start of the encounter”.
Did they change the wording on the surprise attack? It doesn’t read the same in my d&d beyond
are you looking at the legacy or current version?
I would personally go 6 ranger 3 rogue 3 fighter, for that assassin rogue bonus, rest would be a spellcasting class and 2 levels of pally. If you really want to have fun use a lance with piercer
Those will be some rough stats
It's too bad this build doesn't have the room (or the stats) for a sorcerer dip. A quickened Fog Cloud or Faerie Fire on the first round of combat would go a long way towards guaranteeing Advantage.
I forget and don't have my copy of Tasha's handy: does the Invisibility rangers gain later on end if you make an attack? If so, assuming Advantage on all first-round attacks seems risky. Even monsters with darkvision often light their lairs, after all (and, importantly, are *capable of learning* to do so if rumors of some ghostly assassin start getting out), so Umbral Sight may not provide all of the advantages you assume. 😉👿
Still, great build. I love how so many bugbear builds seem to support old real-world myths of "bugbears" as bringers of terror and nightmares ...
If you roll great stats :)
At 8th-level this build is insane.
Wait.
Does autocrit on surprised enemies work more than once per turn?
That's busted on this build
“any hit you score against a creature that is surprised is a critical hit.”
@@cmccbuilds8229 holy moly.
That's...that's amazing.
That's why I switched in echo knight for the battlemaster on the shadow assassin build Treantmonk has on his channel.
I would start and stay fighter to 11. That gives you 8 attacks on round 1 at 11 with action surge and bonus action attacks.
You lose the ranger and gloomstalker goodies. That’s a big deal.
@@cmccbuilds8229 Its a matter of tradeoffs. Trying to get as much power as early as possible. Extra attack is very good. Action surge is significantly better than Gloom Stalker starting abilities and comes on at level 2, you also get fighting style that gives you + d6 to initiative at first level with fighter.
@@needparalegal You're also completely ignoring the powerful spells you get with Ranger. To say that one extra attack on your action surge round (which you'd get twice with Gloomstalker) AND the defensive benefits of being invisible to creatures with darkvision is ridiculous. Even if you get Echo Avatar, you're still not matching the utility and defensive benefits that the levels in Gloomstalker give you relative to the level you're at to get the 11th Level extra attack from fighter.
@@b.b.927 Very smart people do think spells are more powerful than anything else in D&D, so maybe. I just like the melee playstyle.
@@b.b.927 Going down that logic you would optimally take Arcane Fighter 2, Gloomstalker 3 and the rest in wizard.
Bug bear Rogue Barbarian: Undying skill monkey Tank
5 levels Barbarian (Bear Totem)
15 Rogue (Phantom)
16STR 16DEX 14CON 8INT 10WIS 10CHA
Far Traveler Background for Perception and Insight Proficiencies.
Take 1st level Rogue for all those juicy Proficiencies and Expertise. 2-6 Barbarian. Finish with rest in Rogue.
Use Rapier and Shield
Max Dex and Strength evenly as you level. Strength to allow Reckless Attack and be a good Grappler/Front line, Dex for Unarmored and Sneak Attack.
20AC unarmored, Sneak Attack with Reckless Attack every round. Extra Attack in case we miss. Hit an extra target with Wails from the Grave
Bear totem Rage + Uncanny Dodge take only 25% Dmg on hit
Bear totem Rage + Evasion take only 25% Aoe Damage on fail.
Danger Sense + Fey Ancestry Advantage on Dex Saves and Charms.
Advantage on Con Saves from Tokens of the Departed.
Ghost walk to give Enemies disadvantage on attacks, making Reckless even better.
Slippery Mind, now we have + to saving throws on every stat except CHA.
You're the Scout, the skill money, the Tank and the first to initiate Combat. Start right in the thick of it immediately getting everyones attention as you kill a target with a Raging Surpise + Sneak attack. You can get the drop on enemies, allowing squishes to keep at a distance from the very start of combat.
Oh and light Cross Bow for Ranged shenanigans. With Steady Aim you get Sneak Attack aswell.
LvL 2: +3 Initiative, 17AC, Saving Throws:
+3STR, +5DEX, +2CON, +1INT, 0WIS/CHA
* Rage and Sneak Attack
LvL 4: +3 Initiative, 17AC, Saving Throws:
+3STR, +5DEX, +2CON, +1INT, 0WIS/CHA
*Bear Totem, Danger Sense, Reckless,
LvL 6: +3 Initiative, 17AC, , Saving Throws:
+4STR, +6DEX, +2CON, +2INT, 0WIS/CHA
*Extra attack, 40ft Movment, +2STR ASI
LvL 8: +3 Initiative, 17AC, , Saving Throws:
+4STR, +6DEX, +2CON, +2INT, 0WIS/CHA
*Phantom, Cunning action, Steady Aim
LvL 10: +4 Initiative, 18AC, Saving Throws:
+4STR, +8DEX, +2CON, +3INT, 0WIS/CHA
*Uncanny Dodge, +2DEX ASI
LvL 12: +4 Initiative, 18AC, Saving Throws:
+5STR, +9DEX, +2CON, +4INT, 0WIS/CHA
*Evasion, Expertise
LvL 14: +4 Initiative, 18AC, Saving Throws:
+5STR, +9DEX, +2CON, +4INT, 0WIS/CHA
*Tokens of the Grave, +2STR ASI
LvL 16: +5 Initiative, 19AC, Saving Throws:
+5STR, +10DEX, +2CON, +4INT, 0WIS/CHA
*Reliable Talent, +2DEX ASI
LvL 18: +5 Initiative, 20AC, Saving Throws:
+5STR, +11DEX, +3CON, +6INT, 0WIS/CHA
*Ghost Walk, +2CON ASI (Or Feat)
LvL 20: +5 Initiative, 20AC, Saving Throws:
+5STR, +11DEX, +3CON, +6INT, +6WIS 0CHA
*Blind Sense, Slippery Mind
Still personally think Hunter is the better Melee Ranger build lmao
Especially with Barbarian, Barbarian Hunter is surprisingly good
Hunter is better than a gloom stalker?
@@cmccbuilds8229 No, its not
Hunter is better overall Melee Ranger
But Gloomstalker is best Ranger period, theres no competition for best Rogue build in the game despite not being actual Rogue class
Especially when we have dissapointments like Horizon Walker and Monster Slayer in the corner
Litteraly every other Subclass offer things that are easier to acomplish than those 2
This video is terrible, nothing but confirmation bias’s for me…😂
This is how I play my Bladesinger with a 2 level dip in Rogue, bonus action dash baby!
The video is terrible? Confirmation bias of what?