Good arc shots! You could see the wire string out to that needle shape and turn to fluid flowing in to the puddle. The best spray transfer shots I ever seen.
I have been trying to learn via the internet, if all three transfer modes of wire feed welding can be achieved with the same machine (power source). Thank you, thank you, thank you. As per your video, one machine with enough (direct current?) power, combined with the correct shielding gas (or combination of gasses) can produce short-circuit, globular or spray transfer modes of metal transfer. Thanks again.
Next weld report I fill out is gonna have TREE FIDDY on it. Also, digging the new camera rig! It's pretty damn awesome to be able to actually SEE the weld metal transferring on this.
Man that new camera is insane for arc shots. After really seeing what the wire is doing in each process I have a better understanding of what's happening. Still a bit fuzzy about how different gases change different processes for both wire n tig though
Would the penetration be any different if you preheated the metal and ran hotter? A detailed video in pre heating would be awesome as well! Great videos
I believe he was just changing gas and settings. The same wire can be used with all of the transfer modes. I'm not very knowledgeable on the subject, but I will say yes to the short circuit. The voltages for spray are too high to be achieved on smaller machines. I would take a guess to say a 210 amp machine might be able to spray, but the duty cycle probably would limit how long.
Fantastic video as usual. Thanks a lot. It would have been cool if you added dual shield as well in there just to see the penetration profile in comparison to the other three modes.
I am welding with a mig solid core setup and weld anything between 1.5mm to 10mm. I currently have a gas mix 78% argon, 20% co2, 2% oxygen. I am going to switch over to 93% argon, 5% Co2, 2% oxygen as I think this will be more suitable for the thinner more common material I weld. I would like to know how this will effect my settings. Will I have to increase my voltage and wire feed and will I get into or closer to spray transfer with say 3mm steel or would it still be to thin? I am intrigued how this will effect my welds? My old bottle is almost empty now so I will be replacing it in the next few months so it will be a bit strange as I've only ever welded with the gas I have now with mig. Thanks. Dave.
We learned short-circuit and spray transfer when I was in vo/tech school in 08-11. That's news to me that the spray technique has more depth for thicker plate. Cool video!
How does wire size play into this? I have an old ESAB 200 amp welder. The adjustments just go from 1 to 10 so I don't know what voltage&feed I have. I usually run 0.8mm and I don't think it can spray transfer. Would it be worthwile to buy and try 0.6mm wire, could it have better penetration if it can spray transfer (versus 0.8mm short circuit)?
nice vid. Couple questions! So all these were same wire size, did I miss what size it is? Also, I did not know the 82% or higher, been using 75/25 on spray tfer for some 1/4" stuff. What would you think the effect of that is? Not a pro welder here, just stuff for the shop. Also, can I use the same tri-mix we have for stainless mig for spray transfer on steel (sorry don't know %s, not on the bottle) ? Thanks!
Possible that gaz for stainless has helium so pretty expensive. So if you can spray with 90/10, just go with it. Not sure about price difference but i think a tri mix bottle goes for 150$.
I have a question so when you said short circuit is up to 5/16 why is there a structural test for short circuit that 1/2inch thick. Or is that only for a route pass on a 5/16 thick plate and how would you run then a 1/2 inch beveled plate with a backing plate
just found your videos, as I mentioned on stringer vs weave it is so nice to see youtube videos from someone that obviously really knows what they are doing one word of advice, use a monochromatic camera not color, mono cameras actually have wider wavelength range especially into IR as color cameras have IR filters, use mono and then use filters if you want to see specific wavelengths, you can always add back in false color for human visual effect
Spent a year in an Ironworking shop running Lincoln OuterCore 3/32 diameter on 100 C02. All Globular all day. Trying to pass a 2G on that stuff is like throwing softballs at a carnival trying to win the stuffed bear.. Runny as that stuff is though, it will make you a damn good welder.
Hello Jason, interesting results. Based on the comments below, I would say that there is a lot of interest and need for facts - intead of believes - in this topic. It would be helpfull to show the relevant system settings that you used, maybe something like a WPS sheet that can be downloaded (WPS = Welding Procedure Specification)? For example, the energy data in combination with travel speed can tell quite a bit about the expected weld/penetration (i.e. Voltage together with Amperage and travel speed; electrical wave form would be good to know but seems to be kept "hidden" by the OEMs - guess why). Mayby you also can shed some light on terms like "pre-qualified" etc. Keep up the good work!
Was a fabricator and did SMAW, GMAW, and GTAW back around 1990. Got out of the business and kinda fell off the latest technological knowledge. Back then, GMAW was simply gas shielded and flux core. Looking at these three methods, it seems the basic differences are voltages, wire feed rate, deposition rate, and gas mix. Since GMAW back when I was doing it was capable of all positions, should I assume that it was "short circuit"? Or, is short circuit something different than what I was accustomed to? We used a variety of gases from pure CO2 and CO2/Argon mix.
I weld diesel tanks for a large generator/tank company. Most of our stuff is between 1/8 and 3/16. All our machines are pulse units. Does that bridge the gap between short circuit and spray? We run pretty fast all day just curious, why they run one over the other.
Spray is just about my favorite. You can play with it and go for just about anything. 27.5 and 432-440 ipm is my favorite setting. It is relatively slow but clean up time is much faster.
There are a lot of things that pay more and are much easier and less dangerous, and I'm a professional welder. If I had it to do over, I'd probably go into computers or marketing or real estate or something like that. Good luck with whatever you do though.
Don't listen to anyone who tries to steer you away from what you want in life, but do at least listen to the advice of the people in your life who genuinely care about you and your happiness. Welding is cool, but not when I used to do it all day, every day. I love custom metal fabrication and repairing things, which is exactly what my own business is based around. I get to design, build, weld, and finish (paint, brushed finish, etc) all kinds of stuff, I get paid for my ideas and talent, plus I get to meet and talk to all kinds of people. It is truly my dream job. I am stressing now because I can't keep up, so it is time to find some help.
Goooood money in it. Also check out what available beyond welder. Pipefitters, boilermaker, CWI, metallurgist. You've got lots of options. You'll do great👍👍👍
I’m starting welding school in Canada Montreal in 2 months any advices? and also got a job as a welder in a factory but I barely know how to weld I passed the test I maybe have 5hours of practice at home stick welding SHOULD I BE WORRIED
Shielding gas is to prevent the O2 in the atmosphere from oxidizing the weld, but you are adding O2? Why not just reduce your gas flow to allow atmospheric assistance? Control?
very good sharing we are waiting new techinically contents about the spray globular and short circuit arc. Thank you for the content.Best Regards From Turkey
Great video still totally confused... what dictates the weld type between short circuit, globular, and spray? Is it just the gas mixes, or are there other settings that matter for them?
It looks like these welds were done with the welding gun held rigidly. It seems to me that the penetration of all 3 methods would increase by weaving the gun. Am I correct? (I am a hobbyist)
Has anyone ever had the issue with a millermatic 252 where the weld goes from spray to short circuit after hours of use/being on? Maintenance and I can't figure out what is up, just that blowing air into the machine makes it stop
Awesome video with excellent explanation of each process! I still like e71t-1 dual shield wire better for penetration on high strength steels and thicker material.
Great video! Would you guys consider doing a video on explaining the process you use to cut polish and etch. I understand the cut and polish part but haven't ever gotten very good results with the navel jelly I have been using. What product do you guys use? Where could someone purchase it? I also see some people say you need to heat the cupon up before you etch is this necessary? Thanks
I've had very good results with nitric acid...but it is expensive and extremely corrosive...! Also you must purchase it from Industrial Chemical company...and show a picture I.D.... a tiny amount goes a long way for this application.
So I'm seeing Globular is best, then spray, then last is short circuit. What does "not pre-qualified" mean? And why is short circuit the most popular? Is it because it uses less volts/smaller welder? Oh, great vid! It's about time someone did one on the different types...
"pre-qualified" refers to the AWS code books, such as D1.1 for Structural Steel, Clause 3 is prequalified procedures and is limited to specific joint configurations and parameters. Short Circuit is specifically excluded.
Yeah I think he left out an important detail for short circuit. Short circuit can go above 5/16 with bigger wire,, but we don't know what he is using and there are dozens of special blends of wire.
i never had a penetration profile like you get in short. i think it's not penetrated at all, and it is not accepted by x-ray. even a little the spray arc, the lower side is almost not penetrated. i think you pulled the torch.
Dang I've always kinda looked down on mig because of the penetration but turns out that's because I only knew about short circuit, the penetration on the globular and spray transfer looked really good.
Damn, master class in MIG welding in under 10 minutes. So, noob question for all us home gamers normally welding way under 1/4". and sometime for structural stuff that we're certainly not qualified to be doing.... spray or globular, is either of them easier to pickup? I know its a general question that can't be answered definitively, however one of them has to be easier in some way than the other.
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What about pulsed spray transfer
just listen!
0:49 - globular
3:50 - short circuit
6:00 - spray
PS: i just wanted to do things, but my motivations argon.
FINALLY! The three procedures clearly explained! Thanks so much.
weld profile is not that great
Good arc shots! You could see the wire string out to that needle shape and turn to fluid flowing in to the puddle. The best spray transfer shots I ever seen.
This is simply the best complement to my theoretical college classes. Amazing to see it in action. Thank you!
These arc shots are next level! Makes it so easy to see the differences.
This is a very well done explanation of the three processes done side-by-side.
Upvote for the Lock Ness Monster.
At last - clear video of a weld - great quality
Good of you to put this video up, most people will have no idea what your talking about !
I have been trying to learn via the internet, if all three transfer modes of wire feed welding can be achieved with the same machine (power source). Thank you, thank you, thank you. As per your video, one machine with enough (direct current?) power, combined with the correct shielding gas (or combination of gasses) can produce short-circuit, globular or spray transfer modes of metal transfer. Thanks again.
Next weld report I fill out is gonna have TREE FIDDY on it. Also, digging the new camera rig! It's pretty damn awesome to be able to actually SEE the weld metal transferring on this.
Do you know anyone with a high-speed camera? This would be really cool to see in super slow motion.
Miller has some
Man that new camera is insane for arc shots. After really seeing what the wire is doing in each process I have a better understanding of what's happening. Still a bit fuzzy about how different gases change different processes for both wire n tig though
I do a lot of spray at work, definitely my favorite
Really well done video. I love when videos are fast paced and to the point. Thanks for this and again, Great job.
Would the penetration be any different if you preheated the metal and ran hotter? A detailed video in pre heating would be awesome as well! Great videos
Spray transfer is by far my favorite method of MIG welding!
I feel like everyone that's used mig professionally on structural prefers spray.
casey360360 I mean it really all depends on the companies standard for the most part.
@@AKTheSavage I'm talking from the weldors standpoint. Company standards are a whole different fish.
Excellent video, really underrated.
Same wire used on all three?
Are smaller machines limited to short circuit?
Thanks!
I believe he was just changing gas and settings. The same wire can be used with all of the transfer modes.
I'm not very knowledgeable on the subject, but I will say yes to the short circuit. The voltages for spray are too high to be achieved on smaller machines. I would take a guess to say a 210 amp machine might be able to spray, but the duty cycle probably would limit how long.
Other than the massive amount of spatter, the globular transfer seems to have the best penetration overall.
When you stated your settings , did I miss the wire size?
Fantastic video as usual. Thanks a lot. It would have been cool if you added dual shield as well in there just to see the penetration profile in comparison to the other three modes.
what electrode diameter did you use?
I would like to see how dual shield FC stacks up in the same test
I agree
I was thinking the same thing tbh
Yes
agree
If I am just starting out what’s the best method to chose?
Thank you so much for the information. It was very much helpful for me to understand MIG/MAG welding. Cheers.
I am welding with a mig solid core setup and weld anything between 1.5mm to 10mm. I currently have a gas mix 78% argon, 20% co2, 2% oxygen. I am going to switch over to 93% argon, 5% Co2, 2% oxygen as I think this will be more suitable for the thinner more common material I weld.
I would like to know how this will effect my settings. Will I have to increase my voltage and wire feed and will I get into or closer to spray transfer with say 3mm steel or would it still be to thin? I am intrigued how this will effect my welds? My old bottle is almost empty now so I will be replacing it in the next few months so it will be a bit strange as I've only ever welded with the gas I have now with mig.
Thanks.
Dave.
We learned short-circuit and spray transfer when I was in vo/tech school in 08-11. That's news to me that the spray technique has more depth for thicker plate. Cool video!
How does wire size play into this? I have an old ESAB 200 amp welder. The adjustments just go from 1 to 10 so I don't know what voltage&feed I have. I usually run 0.8mm and I don't think it can spray transfer. Would it be worthwile to buy and try 0.6mm wire, could it have better penetration if it can spray transfer (versus 0.8mm short circuit)?
Can you do a video on spray and how different gas mixes affect the penetration?
nice vid. Couple questions! So all these were same wire size, did I miss what size it is? Also, I did not know the 82% or higher, been using 75/25 on spray tfer for some 1/4" stuff. What would you think the effect of that is? Not a pro welder here, just stuff for the shop. Also, can I use the same tri-mix we have for stainless mig for spray transfer on steel (sorry don't know %s, not on the bottle) ? Thanks!
Possible that gaz for stainless has helium so pretty expensive. So if you can spray with 90/10, just go with it. Not sure about price difference but i think a tri mix bottle goes for 150$.
3:38 I had to replay that about three and a half times to work out what you said.
So it's all dependent upon the gas mix? No machine changes between the 3?
I have a question so when you said short circuit is up to 5/16 why is there a structural test for short circuit that 1/2inch thick. Or is that only for a route pass on a 5/16 thick plate and how would you run then a 1/2 inch beveled plate with a backing plate
just found your videos, as I mentioned on stringer vs weave it is so nice to see youtube videos from someone that obviously really knows what they are doing
one word of advice, use a monochromatic camera not color, mono cameras actually have wider wavelength range especially into IR as color cameras have IR filters, use mono and then use filters if you want to see specific wavelengths, you can always add back in false color for human visual effect
What size electrode
Spent a year in an Ironworking shop running Lincoln OuterCore 3/32 diameter on 100 C02. All Globular all day. Trying to pass a 2G on that stuff is like throwing softballs at a carnival trying to win the stuffed bear..
Runny as that stuff is though, it will make you a damn good welder.
Hello Jason, interesting results. Based on the comments below, I would say that there is a lot of interest and need for facts - intead of believes - in this topic. It would be helpfull to show the relevant system settings that you used, maybe something like a WPS sheet that can be downloaded (WPS = Welding Procedure Specification)? For example, the energy data in combination with travel speed can tell quite a bit about the expected weld/penetration (i.e. Voltage together with Amperage and travel speed; electrical wave form would be good to know but seems to be kept "hidden" by the OEMs - guess why). Mayby you also can shed some light on terms like "pre-qualified" etc. Keep up the good work!
Was a fabricator and did SMAW, GMAW, and GTAW back around 1990. Got out of the business and kinda fell off the latest technological knowledge. Back then, GMAW was simply gas shielded and flux core. Looking at these three methods, it seems the basic differences are voltages, wire feed rate, deposition rate, and gas mix. Since GMAW back when I was doing it was capable of all positions, should I assume that it was "short circuit"? Or, is short circuit something different than what I was accustomed to? We used a variety of gases from pure CO2 and CO2/Argon mix.
Do a video like this on metal core👏🏻👏🏻
Is there side wall penetration on the spray?
I weld diesel tanks for a large generator/tank company. Most of our stuff is between 1/8 and 3/16. All our machines are pulse units. Does that bridge the gap between short circuit and spray? We run pretty fast all day just curious, why they run one over the other.
Indeed superb arc shot and superb info.
Spray is just about my favorite. You can play with it and go for just about anything. 27.5 and 432-440 ipm is my favorite setting. It is relatively slow but clean up time is much faster.
Hi which gas you use with that setting. And diameter of wire ? Please.
@@Yogz_z 90/10 oxy argon and .035”
Awesome video.
I am 14 and I plan on being a professional welder
There are a lot of things that pay more and are much easier and less dangerous, and I'm a professional welder. If I had it to do over, I'd probably go into computers or marketing or real estate or something like that. Good luck with whatever you do though.
Don't listen to anyone who tries to steer you away from what you want in life, but do at least listen to the advice of the people in your life who genuinely care about you and your happiness.
Welding is cool, but not when I used to do it all day, every day. I love custom metal fabrication and repairing things, which is exactly what my own business is based around. I get to design, build, weld, and finish (paint, brushed finish, etc) all kinds of stuff, I get paid for my ideas and talent, plus I get to meet and talk to all kinds of people. It is truly my dream job. I am stressing now because I can't keep up, so it is time to find some help.
Goooood money in it. Also check out what available beyond welder. Pipefitters, boilermaker, CWI, metallurgist. You've got lots of options. You'll do great👍👍👍
Good that you know what you want to do.
Once again Bob is still too good for us
Clear explaination! Thanks!
Great shots and detailed breakdown. 👍
Is it in the machine or just mainly the gas you use. Can you spray with a Lincoln electric pro mig 180?
What type of acid do you etch with?
Awesome video just started mig at school and thank you very much h sir
I’m starting welding school in Canada Montreal in 2 months any advices? and also got a job as a welder in a factory but I barely know how to weld I passed the test I maybe have 5hours of practice at home stick welding SHOULD I BE WORRIED
Shielding gas is to prevent the O2 in the atmosphere from oxidizing the weld, but you are adding O2? Why not just reduce your gas flow to allow atmospheric assistance? Control?
i use 100% co2 gas. can i use other transfer modes other than globular?
very good sharing we are waiting new techinically contents about the spray globular and short circuit arc. Thank you for the content.Best Regards From Turkey
This was very helpful. Thanks fellas!
Great video still totally confused... what dictates the weld type between short circuit, globular, and spray? Is it just the gas mixes, or are there other settings that matter for them?
Look at the wire feed rate and the voltage rate for each, this is the big dictating factor.
2yrs old but here’s my question:
So the main difference is the gas used and then change your settings to get the results you want?
Thank you.
Awesome video guys 👊🏻
Thanks Klay 🍻
Huh. Here I've been thinking spray transfer mig meant using a completely different machine. It's just settings and gas...
Is spray the same as pulse?
It looks like these welds were done with the welding gun held rigidly.
It seems to me that the penetration of all 3 methods would increase by weaving the gun. Am I correct? (I am a hobbyist)
What’s the cfh for spray you didn’t say
40CfH
Is there a reason there is no pulse mig in these?
Has anyone ever had the issue with a millermatic 252 where the weld goes from spray to short circuit after hours of use/being on? Maintenance and I can't figure out what is up, just that blowing air into the machine makes it stop
Those where all Partial joint penetration welds. What gauge plate was the weld metal ?
In what positions can we use spray transfer and what thickness of base metal??
Awesome video with excellent explanation of each process! I still like e71t-1 dual shield wire better for penetration on high strength steels and thicker material.
I ran .045 fcaw-gs at school and boy was it fast and clean!
Great video! Would you guys consider doing a video on explaining the process you use to cut polish and etch. I understand the cut and polish part but haven't ever gotten very good results with the navel jelly I have been using. What product do you guys use? Where could someone purchase it? I also see some people say you need to heat the cupon up before you etch is this necessary?
Thanks
I've had very good results with nitric acid...but it is expensive and extremely corrosive...! Also you must purchase it from Industrial Chemical company...and show a picture I.D.... a tiny amount goes a long way for this application.
ferric chloride is what you want
I'm probably missing something but is the only difference the gas being used?
Could you please do a video of how to vertical up or down, with 6013 electrodes?
Is there a reference chart that shows the thresholds for wire feed and voltage to achieve each process?
The wire manufacturer should have those documents.
But good luck, cause they all don't post detailed info.
Awesome video
Awesome, learning a lot. Thank you very much! 👍
randomly found this vid and glad i did. subbed because imma need about tree fiddy
Sorry I may have missed it. What is the Dia wire being used .045?
That's what I want to know
Well explained and great video.
You nailed it matey ! Thanks
How are spray transfer welders advertised vs short circuit
So I'm seeing Globular is best, then spray, then last is short circuit. What does "not pre-qualified" mean? And why is short circuit the most popular? Is it because it uses less volts/smaller welder? Oh, great vid! It's about time someone did one on the different types...
"pre-qualified" refers to the AWS code books, such as D1.1 for Structural Steel, Clause 3 is prequalified procedures and is limited to specific joint configurations and parameters. Short Circuit is specifically excluded.
Excellent video, tnx bró.
Can you run 92/8 shielding gas on short circuit?
What size of wire you use?
Yeah I think he left out an important detail for short circuit. Short circuit can go above 5/16 with bigger wire,, but we don't know what he is using and there are dozens of special blends of wire.
Great video bro
i never had a penetration profile like you get in short.
i think it's not penetrated at all, and it is not accepted by x-ray.
even a little the spray arc, the lower side is almost not penetrated.
i think you pulled the torch.
Can you do globular all position with dual shield wire?
Good job
Lockness monstarr said he need about treeeee fiddy! You had me after that we would be buds 😂😂
Why don't you drag not push when you do globular?
Globular, what a great word.
wonderful job.
Thanks man.
Good video would be nice to see flix core and dual shield flux core process comparison sometime
Dang I've always kinda looked down on mig because of the penetration but turns out that's because I only knew about short circuit, the penetration on the globular and spray transfer looked really good.
Mig is used for fabrication of heavy materials so you have to wonder beyond that
Bout tree-fiddy. Gotdam lochness monster that had me chuckling. Great video dude! I'm learnig a shitload.
Damn, master class in MIG welding in under 10 minutes. So, noob question for all us home gamers normally welding way under 1/4". and sometime for structural stuff that we're certainly not qualified to be doing....
spray or globular, is either of them easier to pickup? I know its a general question that can't be answered definitively, however one of them has to be easier in some way than the other.
If you know how to read the puddle there probably won't be much difference in running either.
I just died. Fuck'n Lochness monster! Lmao
This is all hardwire, no dual shield right?
Correct. No dual shield. Only ER70S-6
Same video with dual shield?