@@xboxice2005 I am running that but I dont advise you to install it yourself as its very wide for the bike and there can be complications and you want someone who knows twhat they are doing to install it as a lot can go wrong like the tire hitting the chain or going against the kickstand and you dont want thAT shit at all with one of these bikes id go for the 3 or the high 2 not the 3 point unless youre looking for a heavy feeling bike you will lose about 3 4 kph as well
and if yoiu are going to be using a tire like this a sprocket with more teeth is ideal and will make your bike much faster albeit decrease your max speed somehwat
Was this guy in the video running same stock front wheel? Just happened to stumble on this video. Would love to upgrade the rear, and the 16x1.85 seems like the best for me being off road. But he didn’t change the front from a regular 19” did he?
Awesome review! Thanks...Any chance you can give the actual weights of both the mounted 16" with Shinko 525 and the mounted 17" with Vee Rubber trials? That would be greatly appreciated...
Hi, I ordered and fitted one of your bash plates over the Christmas holidays here in the UK, very impressed with it, I've seen your previous videos on the front wheel drive, just wondering what sort of distance your getting out of the surron with the twin motor conversion compared to a standard one, i know its difficult to compare, cheers Russ.
I don't have any data on increased range at this stage as it wasn't our intention to increase the range, more so the climbing capability, although range has improved. See more on the setup at th-cam.com/video/Xjeal2VP2kM/w-d-xo.html
Great video John! I am curious about a couple of things, one, did you tune the suspension with a revalve or oil change? And two, are you running tubes in the tires, or mousses?
Tuned suspension by setting sag (air pressure up front and spring adjustment rear) firstly then adjusted rebound and compression. Suspension is a very personal thing. Most of my riding is slower more technical so the stock suspension does the job ok. I have mousse in the 2WD bike front and rear, by Motoz. Total nightmare to fit!!!!! I have a tyre fitting machine and still a nightmare so don't even try mousse unless you're in for some pain.
How much will these limited edition bikes be and where should I send the money? You might actually be out of my budget with that build, but I think I have just gave up on my 2 year plan on getting a ZERO this summer and instead go with a 72v surron. Would love to find a fully built bike with warranty. First I've heard of a front hub build and def would love that add on.
Also absolutely amazing video, this is exactly what I’ve been looking for. I have a Ktm 300 xcw and love hard enduro. Just really dreamed of having an e bike to go explore in the woods in quite. Thanks a million
I would be happy to buy a sur-ron exactly as you have built this one . i just bought a sur-ron i would like the front motor set up from you that would be wonderful. I'm unsure of what controller you have and how it is set up. whats the motor type make model ? I'm trying to build this bike I live in mountains and have been watching your videos. It is just what i need . please help a fella out if you will . thanks
Finally cool to see someone running FWD on a dirt bike! Always wanted to see it on a dirt bike. Would be perfect for climbing and just really digging in. Also, I’m sure a front hub motor could allow for more efficiency. Like if you used the mid drive to accelerate, and a front hub drive for faster top speeds?
Is the front rim and tyre stock? Also how heavy are the sm pros compared to stock, on stock power please shed some light I want 16/19 sm pros but staying stock batt n controller for now, if I get these tyres and rims on stock will I loose my snap dude
An AWD dirt-bike = cool. But that sure seems to go against everything I know about front-end un-sprung weight. Also, doesn't moving the bars forward make you even more likely to go over them?
Interested to know the model of barkbusters (or equiv) you have on that bike. I don't think they make anything specific for Sur-ron yet that i have seen.
Very interesting as ever - how much weight does the front regen hub & battery add approx ? Any ideas yet about the cost of your package might be ? Import tax & shipping costs say to uk ? might be a killer ?
Adds approx 6.5kg, which sounds alot but surprisingly the extra weight on the front makes the bike handle better especially steep hills as the front is normally too light and the wheelbase is so short. Far more stable with a little ballast up front. We haven't locked in a kit yet, possibly will release pre made 2WD bikes first?
G'day John, just a quick question. Any reason why you chose a sur ron and not get an older (not to old ) motocrosser or enduro and pull out the motor and put and electric one in? Just interested because you obviously can ride and by the looks of your shop and that modded sur ron you seem to be good with your hands as well. Cheers Mark.
Hi Mark, I had thought about modifying and existing dirt bike, had looked at converting a KTM. There were several reason I went with the Sur-ron, firstly the price point is cheap considering already set up with quality batteries and ancillaries. Secondly I felt the Sur-ron actually looked similar to a traditional dirt bike as I wasn't interested in an electric push bike. Thirdly weight, if you convert a dirt bike you will end up with a final weight likely 220lbs +. The Sur-ron is half the weight and this is a massive advantage in tight and technical terrain. The size of the Sur-ron is small, say around the size of a big wheel KTM 85 so for larger riders it may be too small. Overall I am glad I went with the Sur-ron as it's become popular for good reason, it is as much fun to ride, cheap, really tough and opens up riding areas you wouldn't think possible. My goal is to prove that it can mix it with the KTMs, Sherco's and real dirt bikes. Stock it doesn't, but with reasonably priced mods it is very capable.
@@Dubl3R That's one I can't answer. We have approx. 1/4 clearance between the chain and tire. You would have to measure the width of the belt and it's offset to work out if it would clear.
So does the front hub regen only the external battery that is solely used for the front hub? Or does the external battery also benefit the main battery?
Only charges the front battery. One of the reasons is the amount of regen from rear and front drive combined would exceed the max charge rate for the main pack cells. By having 2 batteries we are able to increase regen significantly.
@@racespecsurron1220 yes but only the front hub draws power from the front battery. What is you turned the regen off on the rear motor. Could you charge the main battery that way? Would that put too much load on the rear motor?
Great video John. I beta tested your seat and love it. I also have your bash guard and have modified it to have an extra long skid plate attached to it. I’d love to communicate with you personally if at all possible. You and I have the same wants and needs out of these bikes and I feel we can put our heads together to make something great
@@tomlynch9706 I have been thinking how cool it would be if there was a small front hub motor for when you are stuck on the side of a hill. Can you out climb the gas bikes on slippery hills with the front hub motor?
@@racespecsurron1220 I thought they were both SM pro wheels 16 and 19 looks nice I’ll be getting some of those what’s front and back tyre dude and where can I buy Uk
Can ship to the US. I can only estimate that we have approx 30%+ more range than stock at this stage. We are carrying an additional 15ah over stock so almost 50% more battery.
Please let me know when I can order that fwd kit. I’m tired of all these ICE homies talking crazy, it reminds me of some Harley guys when that talk bout road racing bikes. We all love two wheeled Motorsports, can’t we ll just get long? 🤣 Brrraaaapppp on brothers and sisters….or, ummm whirrrrr on!?
Weight actual is ok as the Sur-ron is too light on the front end, much more stable now and less lift on hills. Bash guard is our Pro Bash HDPE which is the best available for the Sur-ron. Foot pegs are wide grip CNC with SS cleats anodised blue. See our shop racespecsurron.com/
@@racespecsurron1220 you got it free ? We have 1 guy who have on .... for offroad nogo ... only if you want break cooling rips 😉 and for heat isolation HDPE is top 😂😂😂😂 .... sorry but thats tru . Otherwise really nice 🙂
Hi, my friend just ordered your bash plate, I would like to add the other one for me to this order. I wrote you an email. (on your store site). Sorry, for witting here, but it would be great if those two bashplates could be shipped together. (Order confirmed for #12209)
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This is what I've been looking for. Would love to get one of these ordered when you start production!
and one more time a request for the closer look on the holes on the bashguard. I have 2 of your bashgaurd and I want to improve the ventilation.
How can I get you some pics? can you email me?
@@racespecsurron1220 email sent. thnx.
Shinko 3.5 are great for my back but I mainly ride street and like the weight. Cool video and love the hub motor idea
@@xboxice2005 I am running that but I dont advise you to install it yourself as its very wide for the bike and there can be complications
and you want someone who knows twhat they are doing to install it as a lot can go wrong like the tire hitting the chain or going against the kickstand and you dont want thAT shit at all with one of these bikes
id go for the 3 or the high 2 not the 3 point unless youre looking for a heavy feeling bike
you will lose about 3 4 kph as well
and I can totally see why a guy who does enduro is bashing the 3 point fives but on the street theY hAVE their place
and if yoiu are going to be using a tire like this a sprocket with more teeth is ideal and will make your bike much faster albeit decrease your max speed somehwat
I am running only the 3 5 at the back and on the front its usless and does not fit at all under any circumstance
Was this guy in the video running same stock front wheel? Just happened to stumble on this video. Would love to upgrade the rear, and the 16x1.85 seems like the best for me being off road. But he didn’t change the front from a regular 19” did he?
I own a surron myself and love the work you guys do keep it up!
this use of the front hub is brilliant!
It actually works very well unlike other 2WD bike setups. See more from an old vid we released th-cam.com/video/vE7nxurnp08/w-d-xo.html
You have developed a super off road Sur Ron👍
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What do you think the price of a setup done by you guys will be? Estimate is fine.
I'm looking for mainly a road bike with pedals, all lights, turn signals, and break lights.Will these options be available? Thx.
approx how much weight are you adding to the bike with everything you put on there?
Awesome review! Thanks...Any chance you can give the actual weights of both the mounted 16" with Shinko 525 and the mounted 17" with Vee Rubber trials? That would be greatly appreciated...
Hi, I ordered and fitted one of your bash plates over the Christmas holidays here in the UK, very impressed with it, I've seen your previous videos on the front wheel drive, just wondering what sort of distance your getting out of the surron with the twin motor conversion compared to a standard one, i know its difficult to compare, cheers Russ.
I don't have any data on increased range at this stage as it wasn't our intention to increase the range, more so the climbing capability, although range has improved. See more on the setup at th-cam.com/video/Xjeal2VP2kM/w-d-xo.html
Very impressive setup sir.
Great video John! I am curious about a couple of things, one, did you tune the suspension with a revalve or oil change? And two, are you running tubes in the tires, or mousses?
Tuned suspension by setting sag (air pressure up front and spring adjustment rear) firstly then adjusted rebound and compression. Suspension is a very personal thing. Most of my riding is slower more technical so the stock suspension does the job ok. I have mousse in the 2WD bike front and rear, by Motoz. Total nightmare to fit!!!!! I have a tyre fitting machine and still a nightmare so don't even try mousse unless you're in for some pain.
How much will these limited edition bikes be and where should I send the money?
You might actually be out of my budget with that build, but I think I have just gave up on my 2 year plan on getting a ZERO this summer and instead go with a 72v surron. Would love to find a fully built bike with warranty. First I've heard of a front hub build and def would love that add on.
Working on the budget. Trying to make them affordable.
@@racespecsurron1220 interested in one of the limited bikes jrsa31@live.com
Also absolutely amazing video, this is exactly what I’ve been looking for. I have a Ktm 300 xcw and love hard enduro. Just really dreamed of having an e bike to go explore in the woods in quite. Thanks a million
I would be happy to buy a sur-ron exactly as you have built this one . i just bought a sur-ron i would like the front motor set up from you that would be wonderful. I'm unsure of what controller you have and how it is set up. whats the motor type make model ? I'm trying to build this bike I live in mountains and have been watching your videos. It is just what i need . please help a fella out if you will .
thanks
You don't have any issues with unsprung weight of the front hub motor?
Any chance to see list of lightweit tires 90 100 r16? cand find any 2.5kg or 3.0 everything starts from 3.5
Finally cool to see someone running FWD on a dirt bike! Always wanted to see it on a dirt bike.
Would be perfect for climbing and just really digging in. Also, I’m sure a front hub motor could allow for more efficiency. Like if you used the mid drive to accelerate, and a front hub drive for faster top speeds?
What would be the top road speed of bike and acceleration in Nm? Thx.
What front tyre? And what tubes you running? And rim locks?
I'd be very interested to know if you sell all those parts as a kit and how much it would be
Are the stock rear and front wheels the identical?
Would a bigger guy be able to ride a setup like this? I am 6,2 and about 220 trying to cut down lol.
Is the front rim and tyre stock? Also how heavy are the sm pros compared to stock, on stock power please shed some light I want 16/19 sm pros but staying stock batt n controller for now, if I get these tyres and rims on stock will I loose my snap dude
Great videos . thanks
What do you think about the 16in rear for single track trail riding?
What kind of modification did you have to do to the battery lid to fit the 42ah battery and which company did you get the battery from?
Could you please tell me what tubes your running? Also what front tyre?
An AWD dirt-bike = cool. But that sure seems to go against everything I know about front-end un-sprung weight. Also, doesn't moving the bars forward make you even more likely to go over them?
Could you please link your front fender
Interested to know the model of barkbusters (or equiv) you have on that bike. I don't think they make anything specific for Sur-ron yet that i have seen.
We will be releasing full handguards designed for the Sur-ron soon. Testing phase at the moment. keep an eye out at racespecsurron.com/
wow that's looking great , What's the total cost for the upgrade?
How could i get a front end motor set up from you ?
Will you guys ship to Vietnam when you start the production?
Wow impressive setup. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for watching!
@@racespecsurron1220 i ordered a part but I haven’t received anything can you please help
what's your engine and where can i buy it?
Also what sprocket u on dude
I like this build. Definitely interested in building similar bike.
Very interesting as ever - how much weight does the front regen hub & battery add approx ?
Any ideas yet about the cost of your package might be ? Import tax & shipping costs say to uk ? might be a killer ?
Adds approx 6.5kg, which sounds alot but surprisingly the extra weight on the front makes the bike handle better especially steep hills as the front is normally too light and the wheelbase is so short. Far more stable with a little ballast up front. We haven't locked in a kit yet, possibly will release pre made 2WD bikes first?
G'day John, just a quick question. Any reason why you chose a sur ron and not get an older (not to old ) motocrosser or enduro and pull out the motor and put and electric one in? Just interested because you obviously can ride and by the looks of your shop and that modded sur ron you seem to be good with your hands as well. Cheers Mark.
Hi Mark, I had thought about modifying and existing dirt bike, had looked at converting a KTM. There were several reason I went with the Sur-ron, firstly the price point is cheap considering already set up with quality batteries and ancillaries. Secondly I felt the Sur-ron actually looked similar to a traditional dirt bike as I wasn't interested in an electric push bike. Thirdly weight, if you convert a dirt bike you will end up with a final weight likely 220lbs +. The Sur-ron is half the weight and this is a massive advantage in tight and technical terrain. The size of the Sur-ron is small, say around the size of a big wheel KTM 85 so for larger riders it may be too small. Overall I am glad I went with the Sur-ron as it's become popular for good reason, it is as much fun to ride, cheap, really tough and opens up riding areas you wouldn't think possible. My goal is to prove that it can mix it with the KTMs, Sherco's and real dirt bikes. Stock it doesn't, but with reasonably priced mods it is very capable.
Need that seat! Awesome video! Also how tall are you? If u dont mind & I would love to buy it shipped upgraded definitely interested
Im only 5ft 7ish?. New seat on the way soon, making some improvements now and hope to release April 2021.
@@racespecsurron1220 thanks! Can the cheetah back tire u mentioned be installed with the Luna belt drive?
@@Dubl3R That's one I can't answer. We have approx. 1/4 clearance between the chain and tire. You would have to measure the width of the belt and it's offset to work out if it would clear.
So does the front hub regen only the external battery that is solely used for the front hub? Or does the external battery also benefit the main battery?
Only charges the front battery. One of the reasons is the amount of regen from rear and front drive combined would exceed the max charge rate for the main pack cells. By having 2 batteries we are able to increase regen significantly.
@@racespecsurron1220 yes but only the front hub draws power from the front battery. What is you turned the regen off on the rear motor. Could you charge the main battery that way? Would that put too much load on the rear motor?
Do you have a suspension setup video?
Brilliant I love this u have good love the front hub how much would this b and how do I get my name on thanks 🙏
What is that rear side cover?
Will any of these mods work on the more road legal bikes for those who like to piddle around national Parks here in AUS
Yes, this bike started life as an LE1 with full road gear, the X is basically the same.
Will the hub motor fit the RST Killah fork that came w/my Sur-Ron from Luna? How many AH. on the front battery?
No the front motor won't fit the RST or any fixed style MTB forks. Needs seperate fork legs like on the DNM.
I’m definitely interested in buying a limited edition set up sur ron
Interested in getting one
Sweet willl parts be compatible with the Segway x160 which is made by suron
Great video John. I beta tested your seat and love it. I also have your bash guard and have modified it to have an extra long skid plate attached to it. I’d love to communicate with you personally if at all possible. You and I have the same wants and needs out of these bikes and I feel we can put our heads together to make something great
Please send me an email and will try and catch up!
You are a know it all. Thanks for the tips.
Lets hope the factory is taking notes too!
@@tomlynch9706 I have been thinking how cool it would be if there was a small front hub motor for when you are stuck on the side of a hill. Can you out climb the gas bikes on slippery hills with the front hub motor?
this guy is legit
What size is rear and front wheels mate 16 and what
Stock 19in front and a custom 16in x 1.85 on the rear
@@racespecsurron1220 I thought they were both SM pro wheels 16 and 19 looks nice I’ll be getting some of those what’s front and back tyre dude and where can I buy Uk
@@racespecsurron1220 nice setuo
This Bike is Sick! 2wd dirtbike 😄👍
See more at th-cam.com/video/vE7nxurnp08/w-d-xo.html
Put me down for one!
Beautiful- can you shit to the US? Also- what is the realistic range of that set up in a trail riding scenario?
Can ship to the US. I can only estimate that we have approx 30%+ more range than stock at this stage. We are carrying an additional 15ah over stock so almost 50% more battery.
Please let me know when I can order that fwd kit. I’m tired of all these ICE homies talking crazy, it reminds me of some Harley guys when that talk bout road racing bikes. We all love two wheeled Motorsports, can’t we ll just get long? 🤣 Brrraaaapppp on brothers and sisters….or, ummm whirrrrr on!?
All show no go bruv.
certainly interested, please add me to the list
Also what size is shinko cheater there’s many sizes due
can i get a bike life in corona is hard for me and my mtb broke
Really cool concept with hup motor front but weight will be horrible ...
Offroad knowlege and then so a shit basguard and Footpegs ?
Weight actual is ok as the Sur-ron is too light on the front end, much more stable now and less lift on hills. Bash guard is our Pro Bash HDPE which is the best available for the Sur-ron. Foot pegs are wide grip CNC with SS cleats anodised blue. See our shop racespecsurron.com/
@@racespecsurron1220 you got it free ? We have 1 guy who have on .... for offroad nogo ... only if you want break cooling rips 😉 and for heat isolation HDPE is top 😂😂😂😂 .... sorry but thats tru . Otherwise really nice 🙂
Do I have to say it ?
How do I get me a front hub motor? Lol
Hi, my friend just ordered your bash plate, I would like to add the other one for me to this order. I wrote you an email. (on your store site). Sorry, for witting here, but it would be great if those two bashplates could be shipped together. (Order confirmed for #12209)
Could you please tell me what tubes your running? Also what front tyre?