I am SO pissed. I just paid for a subscription specifically so that I could enjoy WotLK content was it was and NOW I find out that RDF is NOT included. To say 'Oh, well, we want to force an aspect of the game on to people, even tho originally, it was included (At least with ICC out)' is rubbish. I had been on private servers for WoLK because I really missed the bygone days and now, having reached level 15 on the 'official' server, I find out that nope, no RDF. I canceled my subscription after 1 day
I'm sad to hear that. Rdf just makes the grind for low levels so much better. Basically it drives incentive to buy boosts and such and thats just toxic
The only difference between using the current system to list yourself, wait for someone to invite you and summon you to a dunegon, and RDF... is that 2 people don't have to go out of their way to the summon stone. That and doing sub 70-80 dungeons is actually possible with RDF.
Well the larger difference is that the dungeon finder can be cross server. Which makes getting groups much much easier. I have 80s that I struggle with gearing at all right now outside of BoEs because I'll sit in dungeon queues for hours with noone making groups for those dungeons. They are only making heroic plus groups because that is the nature of the system and the servers right now. I'm currently on a medium population server so yes I could uproot and go to a high pop to increase my group finding potential, but that seems a bit absurd. I also think the sub 80 dungeons are a key point to this. It is definitely extremely rare that I see a leveling SM group anymore, and when I do they are looking for an hour or 2 in LFG to fill up.
How did players manage to do dungeons back in the day if its not possible without it? And how am I able to do it now? :O And im on mirage raceway that is "dying" lol
@@andreaskarlsson5251 because back then people were not so min maxing and enjoyed doing things so it was actually easier to fill groups. now alot race to cap and push min max to extreme. and even when your with the pact if your the wrong role/class/spec the min maxers wont join or invite you anyways. the player base is the problem not the systems that should be added or the lack there of. the only key difference is having the systems helps solve the self imposed gatekeeping and deadening of group formation
@@empressjessica5020 so youre saying that people dont enjoy the game anymore and just want to skip it all? 😅 Were plenty of people hating leveling back then too fyi. I think its more a "gimmie epics"-syndrome where kids just wants everything for free without effort.
I just transferred servers because finding a group to do ANY dungeons on a dead server is a complete waste of time. I waited 40 mins trying to get a group for the heroic daily and nothing.
Lack of RDF is what’s preventing me from going full on Wrath Classic. That’s the experience I remember and the one I want. Besides, any argument for “the original experience” went completely out the window when tokens were inserted into Wrath Classic.
saying LFR ruins and makes raiding with guild feel cheap and less rewarding has got to be the most bold faced lie someone could tell themselves. thats like claiming dungeons existing ruin the reward from raids and guilds doing raids. it doesnt its a lesser form of conent. how on earth a easier version of a raid makes the harder version less rewarding just baffles my mind on how someone can figure that logic as sound. like Hey guys someone got a AA degree in my field. my PhD feels totally worthless now
Dude i got a gearscore of 5k and it still takes me a solid 30 to 40 minutes to find a group for dalies people a hella nasty and elitist as fuck when it comes to group formation
GDKP destroys the game of course there is an old search engine needed and whoever says otherwise wants wow to be dead now where no one plays dung and boosters everywhere. I play on ali firemaw EU imposible to gear up no GDKP or Hardcore guild with DKP rules
at very least add it for up to lvl 70 content, would be so nice to just cross server dungeon grind over doing the same annoying gathering quest for the 15th time
Irony: You monetarily support RestedXP, which profits from the normal leveling experience, but you want RDF. How will gold farmers and Rested XP make money if you can queue for dungeons while leveling and can get instantly teleported to the instance?
Cancelled my subscription when they said they won't bring back RDF, played for free on a private server instead. I don't get it how you can fuck up everything you touch just like Blizzard does all the time. Instead of opening servers with and without RDF they're doing this bullshit. Everyone could experience the game as they'd like to but Blizzard just does not care and rather want to sell their dumb Level boosts. There is a reason they won't make the subscription count public any longer.
WELL u wont like it but my big brain knews why. well blizz know that the most loved addon is wotlk BUT they need a cata release ....soooo they gave a stupid explanaition quoting a non existant playerbase that dont want RDF so that they can PUT RDF IN CATACLYSM AND EVERBODY IS WUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH. remember remember the 8th of september
Too late, no rdf already killed wotlk classic, guess it's Molten wow for the win :D (where the devs have a brain and added rdf ) who knew that a private server can be better than a blizzard one rofl xD
To me RDF and RRF would solve problem with no cross-realm PvE. Thats a problem on unbalanced servers where you simply cant go PvE. Transfer isnt solution bcs of the fullnes of servers and dead world PvP on one faction servers which totaly cripple the original pourpose of normal and PvP servers...
"Social aspects of the game" just means that people were so toxic that it would cause people to quit the game. In private servers and the original WotLK, RDF was so toxic and allowed so much BM in heroics. I can't tell you how many times I've seen people get kicked just because their DPS was bad or they accidentally made one mistake. I've seen people go through a whole dungeon just to get booted right before the final boss. I've seen people get booted right after the first boss so they would be saved. I've seen tanks and heals both stop doing their jobs cause their vote to kick didn't go through. I've been stuck in dungeons for hours held hostage by other people just because they wanted to BM. I've had many friends just quit playing because they kept getting BM in their RDFs during P1. RDF is horrible for new players and allows toxic players to be complete assholes with no penalties. Imagine being a DPS warrior in P1, you wait 15 min for queue, you get in then get instantly booted for being a warrior, you get deserter for 30 min, you wait the deserter, and then it happens again. This can happen to any class that people think suck. That being said I think they should allow it for anything under 80. I do think it's great for leveling and I miss it a lot for that reason. But from my experience most of the people who say RDF is good haven't actually played private servers, have forgotten the real experience in original WotLK, or have straight up forgotten how horrible it can be when for 5 days straight you get BM'd on the dungeon you need.
I actually heavily played private servers, primarily Warmane before the launch of Wrath Classic. The only bad experiences i had revolved heavily around players who just wouldn't listen to helpful tips to improve their gameplay and the dungeon clear. Primarily prot pallies who insisted on using seal of wisdom over maintaining sanctuary and divine plea with a proper damage seal for threat XD. Or people that just constantly afk. But I'll be real, those things happen in Wrath classic already. I do agree that I think just randomly getting kicked without being talked to is a problem, but in my experience that was extremely uncommon, and never happened to me. It is a valid point to be concerned about toxicity, but you cannot get rid of that. It's unfortunately a natural part of the internet. Definitely pros and cons to lay out. But that's also the reason I made this video is to increase discussion on this topic.
@@Darkest_TV Also try to do a raid on warmane without going out of your way to have 5.3kgs to start getting invite to anything xD, but still better than wotlk classic ngl, too much change and no rdf made me quit and they just add the rdf with cross faction so the dungeon spam to lvl can work now (on warmane)
@@andreaskarlsson5251 i never liked mythic+ and i love lvling alt in dungeon specifically and in classic you just cant unless you wanna wait 3 hours to MAYBE build a group, that's the biggest downside for me
@@salty22 maybe if youre a dps but as ive leveled and done dungeons as tank or healer it might have taken me like 15 mins on average over r characters? It really seems exaggerated when I hear people talk about 2-3 hours. Server must be very dead then? Cause i play horde on mirage raceway that is considered dead/dying by the community. 😅 I wish blizz would just force together a few servers so the players arent as spread out. But maybe thats just me trying to find alternative solutions cause Im a bit anti automation-tools in games. :P
Yes please bring RDF back, it is very problematic finding groups with how nasty people are when trying to form groups
I am SO pissed. I just paid for a subscription specifically so that I could enjoy WotLK content was it was and NOW I find out that RDF is NOT included. To say 'Oh, well, we want to force an aspect of the game on to people, even tho originally, it was included (At least with ICC out)' is rubbish. I had been on private servers for WoLK because I really missed the bygone days and now, having reached level 15 on the 'official' server, I find out that nope, no RDF. I canceled my subscription after 1 day
I'm sad to hear that. Rdf just makes the grind for low levels so much better. Basically it drives incentive to buy boosts and such and thats just toxic
The only difference between using the current system to list yourself, wait for someone to invite you and summon you to a dunegon, and RDF... is that 2 people don't have to go out of their way to the summon stone. That and doing sub 70-80 dungeons is actually possible with RDF.
Well the larger difference is that the dungeon finder can be cross server. Which makes getting groups much much easier. I have 80s that I struggle with gearing at all right now outside of BoEs because I'll sit in dungeon queues for hours with noone making groups for those dungeons. They are only making heroic plus groups because that is the nature of the system and the servers right now. I'm currently on a medium population server so yes I could uproot and go to a high pop to increase my group finding potential, but that seems a bit absurd. I also think the sub 80 dungeons are a key point to this. It is definitely extremely rare that I see a leveling SM group anymore, and when I do they are looking for an hour or 2 in LFG to fill up.
How did players manage to do dungeons back in the day if its not possible without it? And how am I able to do it now? :O
And im on mirage raceway that is "dying" lol
@@andreaskarlsson5251 because back then people were not so min maxing and enjoyed doing things so it was actually easier to fill groups. now alot race to cap and push min max to extreme. and even when your with the pact if your the wrong role/class/spec the min maxers wont join or invite you anyways. the player base is the problem not the systems that should be added or the lack there of. the only key difference is having the systems helps solve the self imposed gatekeeping and deadening of group formation
@@empressjessica5020 so youre saying that people dont enjoy the game anymore and just want to skip it all? 😅 Were plenty of people hating leveling back then too fyi.
I think its more a "gimmie epics"-syndrome where kids just wants everything for free without effort.
@@andreaskarlsson5251 pretty sure they did not say "no one was" reading is important broski
I just transferred servers because finding a group to do ANY dungeons on a dead server is a complete waste of time. I waited 40 mins trying to get a group for the heroic daily and nothing.
Yeah low server pop only makes this problem worse for sure. Really quite tragic that they have no intention of putting it in.
Wanted to play the game got a month subscription leveled up to 15 sat in a dungeon quee for an hour uninstalled...
Lack of RDF is what’s preventing me from going full on Wrath Classic. That’s the experience I remember and the one I want. Besides, any argument for “the original experience” went completely out the window when tokens were inserted into Wrath Classic.
I played at launch raider then stopped. Tried to come back for ULD but couldn’t get groups so I said fuck it
saying LFR ruins and makes raiding with guild feel cheap and less rewarding has got to be the most bold faced lie someone could tell themselves. thats like claiming dungeons existing ruin the reward from raids and guilds doing raids. it doesnt its a lesser form of conent. how on earth a easier version of a raid makes the harder version less rewarding just baffles my mind on how someone can figure that logic as sound. like Hey guys someone got a AA degree in my field. my PhD feels totally worthless now
I've been asking for RDF since release and all they've done is add the WoW Token which nobody ever asked for.
You can use RDF but without teleporting players to the dungeon, just create the group
Dude i got a gearscore of 5k and it still takes me a solid 30 to 40 minutes to find a group for dalies people a hella nasty and elitist as fuck when it comes to group formation
GDKP destroys the game of course there is an old search engine needed and whoever says otherwise wants wow to be dead now where no one plays dung and boosters everywhere. I play on ali firemaw EU imposible to gear up no GDKP or Hardcore guild with DKP rules
at very least add it for up to lvl 70 content, would be so nice to just cross server dungeon grind over doing the same annoying gathering quest for the 15th time
Agreed.
Irony: You monetarily support RestedXP, which profits from the normal leveling experience, but you want RDF. How will gold farmers and Rested XP make money if you can queue for dungeons while leveling and can get instantly teleported to the instance?
Would be great. Over expensive boosting alredy destroy game and unbalanced servers worls pvp. Cant find groups for dungeons it is really frustrating
Cancelled my subscription when they said they won't bring back RDF, played for free on a private server instead.
I don't get it how you can fuck up everything you touch just like Blizzard does all the time. Instead of opening servers with and without RDF they're doing this bullshit. Everyone could experience the game as they'd like to but Blizzard just does not care and rather want to sell their dumb Level boosts.
There is a reason they won't make the subscription count public any longer.
WELL u wont like it but my big brain knews why. well blizz know that the most loved addon is wotlk BUT they need a cata release ....soooo they gave a stupid explanaition quoting a non existant playerbase that dont want RDF so that they can PUT RDF IN CATACLYSM AND EVERBODY IS WUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH. remember remember the 8th of september
i also have a deep love for darkest tv. JUST SAYIN
Awww thanks! I have a deep love for you and your wowconspiracy!
@@Darkest_TV man the reptiloids are behind every corner maaaaaaaate xD (just kidding)
Hahahaha!! I got my tin foil hat at the ready!
@@Darkest_TV bobby codeks hat is from 100 usd notes
since i learned that theres no RDF i aint paying blizzard shet
Too late, no rdf already killed wotlk classic, guess it's Molten wow for the win :D (where the devs have a brain and added rdf ) who knew that a private server can be better than a blizzard one rofl xD
To me RDF and RRF would solve problem with no cross-realm PvE. Thats a problem on unbalanced servers where you simply cant go PvE. Transfer isnt solution bcs of the fullnes of servers and dead world PvP on one faction servers which totaly cripple the original pourpose of normal and PvP servers...
"Social aspects of the game" just means that people were so toxic that it would cause people to quit the game. In private servers and the original WotLK, RDF was so toxic and allowed so much BM in heroics. I can't tell you how many times I've seen people get kicked just because their DPS was bad or they accidentally made one mistake. I've seen people go through a whole dungeon just to get booted right before the final boss. I've seen people get booted right after the first boss so they would be saved. I've seen tanks and heals both stop doing their jobs cause their vote to kick didn't go through. I've been stuck in dungeons for hours held hostage by other people just because they wanted to BM. I've had many friends just quit playing because they kept getting BM in their RDFs during P1. RDF is horrible for new players and allows toxic players to be complete assholes with no penalties. Imagine being a DPS warrior in P1, you wait 15 min for queue, you get in then get instantly booted for being a warrior, you get deserter for 30 min, you wait the deserter, and then it happens again. This can happen to any class that people think suck.
That being said I think they should allow it for anything under 80. I do think it's great for leveling and I miss it a lot for that reason. But from my experience most of the people who say RDF is good haven't actually played private servers, have forgotten the real experience in original WotLK, or have straight up forgotten how horrible it can be when for 5 days straight you get BM'd on the dungeon you need.
I actually heavily played private servers, primarily Warmane before the launch of Wrath Classic. The only bad experiences i had revolved heavily around players who just wouldn't listen to helpful tips to improve their gameplay and the dungeon clear. Primarily prot pallies who insisted on using seal of wisdom over maintaining sanctuary and divine plea with a proper damage seal for threat XD. Or people that just constantly afk. But I'll be real, those things happen in Wrath classic already. I do agree that I think just randomly getting kicked without being talked to is a problem, but in my experience that was extremely uncommon, and never happened to me. It is a valid point to be concerned about toxicity, but you cannot get rid of that. It's unfortunately a natural part of the internet.
Definitely pros and cons to lay out. But that's also the reason I made this video is to increase discussion on this topic.
@@Darkest_TV Also try to do a raid on warmane without going out of your way to have 5.3kgs to start getting invite to anything xD, but still better than wotlk classic ngl, too much change and no rdf made me quit and they just add the rdf with cross faction so the dungeon spam to lvl can work now (on warmane)
@@salty22 "too much change and no rdf"
Ngl, this gave me a chuckle. You diss that they make changes then asks them to make a change? :P
@@andreaskarlsson5251 i never liked mythic+ and i love lvling alt in dungeon specifically and in classic you just cant unless you wanna wait 3 hours to MAYBE build a group, that's the biggest downside for me
@@salty22 maybe if youre a dps but as ive leveled and done dungeons as tank or healer it might have taken me like 15 mins on average over r characters? It really seems exaggerated when I hear people talk about 2-3 hours. Server must be very dead then? Cause i play horde on mirage raceway that is considered dead/dying by the community. 😅
I wish blizz would just force together a few servers so the players arent as spread out. But maybe thats just me trying to find alternative solutions cause Im a bit anti automation-tools in games. :P
RDF yes, LFR nope.
It is just a time waster
Imagine promoting the scam called RestedXP disgusting.
MY SERVER IS DEADDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
This is currently a common trend for a lot of players. Even my server that went through a period of having a login queue now is "medium population".