On my coffee journey beginning with a Rancilio Silvia & Rocky the two largest steps in quality & taste I experienced were upgrading my grinder to the Niche and switching from the stock Rancilio Silvia basket to an IMS Competition Basket (later an IMS Baristapro Nanotech Precision)
I found the flow rate change on my silvia with the IMS Baristapro Nanotech Precision on my silvia was dramatic(much higher). Also noticed that it may be time to move on from the rocky .
Yeah I love seeing people pair a premium grinder with a cheap espresso machine. I think they have the budget allocation right. Grind makes the biggest difference after freshly roasted, quality beans.
Thanks, Sprometheus, for the video! However, I find the results in the video and in the comments below hard to believe! Findings: In all of my personal comparisons over the last 6 months, the VST baskets (18 & 15gr) have a much higher flow rate than the IMS comp baskets (18 & 16gr), or even the ECM OEM baskets. Only VST (18gr) and LM Strada (17gr) seem to be identical (which makes sense, also supported by Tim Murphy’s comment below; despite the different sizes of 18 and 17gr). So unlike stated in the video and in the comments below, there seems to be a huge difference. Set-Up: I've been consistently shooting for 17gr In, 40gr Out (ie. double-shot total, hence, 20gr per espresso cup each) at 27 seconds with a 80% Arabica 20% Robusta medium-dark roast coffee blend (Merchant & Friends House Blend) at 94°C, (w/ bottled “Blackforrest” water). I need to grind much much much finer, in order to keep all other parameters consistent, when using VST (18gr) basket [you even get a quality certificate with your VST baskets, hence, I don’t think my VST basket is not working as designed]. My espresso machine is an ECM Classika II PID (ie. Vibration Pump, not Rotary Pump, like LM Linea Mini; hence, from experience/comparisons, it takes approx. 5 secs. longer for the first drop to come out when turning on the pump) Ironically, the grinder setting for IMS comp (18gr) works perfectly fine with the special LM Single-Shot basket, where you would logically apply 8.5gr In, 20gr Out (in one single espresso cup), keeping remaining parameters consistent (ie. 27 seconds, same beans, temperature, pressure of tampering, etc.) Consequently, if not adjusting the grinder setting, VST basket brewed espresso will always taste exactly as expected: like an under-extracted espresso (ie. sour / high in acidity) when using IMS Comp optimized grinder settings. And even when the grinder setting is set accordingly finer, the espresso tastes much “thinner”. Maybe that is preferrable for lighter roasts, where you are expecting more acidity and less body, however, for medium-dark roast Italien coffee, this does not seem to fit (in my personal opinion). Has nobody else experienced the same differences? I mean, this is significant! Regardless of your machine and grinder at more than €2K, a little basket at ~€30 can really mess up the entire espresso experience and parameters. And with an espresso machine with a Rotary Pump vs. a Vibration Pump, it should even get more extreme, not less. Would love to hear from others, if they have made the same experience! I would have expected this to be consistently the same across VST/IM Comp users. Stunning. Not saying this video is wrong, just very surprised, Sprometheus. (But maybe you have an explanation 😉)
Haha well glad that’s the case, but in the end these are just one persons opinion and the extraction tests on the same coffee. So the experience may vary.
Thank you for your informative videos! I got a couple of VST filters when they first came out, several years ago, to use with my very basic Vibiemme E61 single boiler machine. I noticed they required a much finer grind, and somehow never got a satisfying result. Not only a brighter, more sour taste, but also a much thinner texture and more uneven extraction overall. Of course this may also have to do with imperfections in my puck preparation, but in the end I reverted back to the standard basket which I have been using ever since. Thinking of upgrading my machine however, so precision baskets may yet become an option once again. Thanks again and keep up the good work!
Also found lately the Standard basket that came with my machine seems to do better than the VST. But should probably do more comparison before selling the VST basket!
Seeing microscopic photos of stock Gaggia vs. Ims precision nano baskets, my eyes were opened to the superior craftsmanship put into these more expensive baskets.
If it hasn't already been pointed out, according to the forums, LM Strada baskets are made under licence from VST in the same factory and are essentially the same as VST, they have different quality control I believe.
Yeah it seems most baskets are made in the same factory to different specs. The Strada is made in the same as the VST and is checked by hand, as opposed to VST’s laser check.
In my experience, yes its matter I've been testing out the strada, ims & vst... For me vst has more vibrant taste, simply winner... And now im waiting for the decent 10g basket to test... With love from 🇮🇩 indonesia
I've been using a VST basket for years, upgraded my grinder and espresso machine and lately been liking the stock ECM basket better. But I think I need more comparing before making a final conclusion. Update: I think the VST requires a finer grind size, it might improve clarity but it seems to suffer from channeling more than the stock basket or IMS superfine basket which has a similar shape to the stock basket with curved edges instead of the straight wall (not sure if that's why). So VST is more difficult to work with but MAY give you better results for LIGHT roasts if your puck prep and grinder is near perfect.
Exactly: With all precision baskets, you have to adjust grind size and be precise in preparation. The category "precision basket" is a promise and a requirement.
Very nice. I was expecting virtually no difference, but your findings show that they all give an improvement and have a consistent profile. I upgraded to a VST years ago over a stock Livia 90 basket. It seemed to improve things, but it’s subtle. The main benefit is that it looks and feels better than the stock basket, so you get a nice experience when pulling each shot. But it seems like there’s more to it than feel and the placebo effect.
Yeah I wasn’t expecting a massive difference, and there really wasn’t in terms of extraction. But those difficult to describe factors really make the difference.
A standard La Marzocco basket is probably way better than others espresso machine brand baskets. My rocket basket is terrible. Some holes were closed. I use a 20g IMS Baristapro Nanotech basket and its way better. Great work. love your videos.
It would be interesting to see a redo using the IMS Baristapro "Nanotech" basket. The wall is straighter/bottom radius smaller and the holes go out further to the edge.
Great review, great video I think that the big difference will be if you pass from a basket that requires a totally different size of grind, just like the standard Gaggia basket, which requires a much coarser grind In all these baskets you tested, if you fine tune the extractions, my opinion, the results will be the same, or almost the same And i am saying that with disappointment, cause we baristas like to buy new "toys" 😂
Thanks Wake! And yes, I think had I spent time dialing in each basket very specificity trying to achieve the same results I think it would be even closer.
I wish you had repeated the experience with another roast, preferably something completely different from the one tested. Especially when it comes to taste, I would be interested in knowing if the same s precision baskets gave the same (or at least similar) results for the 2nd bean.
I would've been interested to see the standard deviations of the EYs for each basket, given that these companies are marketing them as being more consistent. Would probably be more useful to know that the basket can produce the same extraction over and over rather than an overall higher average EY.
Well that’s simple enough for you to determine on your own if you pause the video on each of the results pages. I’ve done them before on other tests, but often it’s just a data overload and really doesn’t drive any change in the overall point.
i think splitting those into 3 categories like fast normal and slow flow filter would be easier to understand . use a fast flow filter for light roasts and a slow flow filter for dark roast .
I remember that I could use common greasy dark roasts more easily in the standard tapered Gaggia basket. My VST had a much faster flow & made it near impossible to work with lower quality coffees, but it opens doors if you pair with it the nicer beans, nice grinder, and added patience. Higher learning curve to match higher potential rewards
What a great video! Great that you took the time to taste and repeatedly measure all the baskets! It's good to hear that the precision baskets do matter and it's not just marketing bullshit. But on the other hand it's hard to get anything else than IMS here, just VST, which is expensive as hell, and I tend to prefer texture and thickness over clarity...
Thanks Alan, glad you enjoyed and I appreciate the feedback. Definitely all of these baskets are an investment. I think in the long run you’ll be very happy with the VST, and at home they last a long long time, so it should be the only basket you need to get for years.
@@Sprometheus thanks for your answer, but I've already ordered the IMS competition, thought it was gonna be a decent bang for the buck anyway. But if I don't like it, well then I'd have to sell it and go for the VST.
@@cafeclement4808 I didn't know there was a difference and they made another precision series which isn't competition. Do you have any experience with them? I've already ordered the competition ones without the nano treatment.
@@alanst.4417 I have experience with both. The precision baskets offer more sweetness and clarity. The competition offer a nice shot as well just not as much flavor clarity and vibrancy.
Great video! Informative and succinct. I use the VST 18gr a with my ECM Synchronika. I also switched to the IMS shower screen, though I would love to see a video on shower screens.
@@JasonAlexzander1q47 the shower screen made a difference for better extraction. It's more of a consistency than a taste thing. The VST basket also made shots way more consistent, but it also required much finer grind than the stock basket. Taste is hard to quantify as it depends on the roast... So I can't say it made it sweeter or more bitter... But it did made it richer and I could definitely taste a better extraction. Again, consistency being key. Also distribution is critical. For my grind I use the Kinu M47 Simplicity. It's amazing. I'm also waiting for my preorder of the Weber Key. Should get it late October or early November.
@@panzer2181 okay. Thanks. I have an Ecm Synchronika with the quick mill flow control. E&b lab precision shower screen is on order. I have vst ism and pullman baskets also on order. I use the creado e37s jack leveler and puqpress q2
Great video I suggest using baristapro as a more equal top tier comparison. I have VST and Baristapro and like them both. Plan on buying a Pullman eventually.
I'm using a VST basket. My opinion is that the grinder/burr set's particle distribution has a big influence on this. I've seen some comments in forums say that they have gone back to their original OEM baskets and found that they were better tasting (??), possibly this may have been after they changed grinders or burrs, who knows? The thing about the precision baskets is that they are consistent compared to the OEM baskets that each may be slightly unique.
Interesting. I haven’t heard of this, but I think there’s an interesting connection between “better” and “different”. For example when I switched to a conical from a flat I was blown away how much “better” it was, but when going back to flat burrs after awhile with conical I realized it’s not better, just different and that appeals to us since we’re always chasing the dragon of best taste.
Just came here to say that the VST is miles ahead of the IMS nanotech. Both IMS baskets I have are not perfectly shaped, causing some grinds to stick to the sides of the walls when tamped (58.5mm bravo tamper). Grittier cups. VST less gritty, and noticably more even extraction with bottomless portafilter on average, which i think is reflected in the taste. To top it all off, I can bang out the puck way easier in the VST.
Upgrading to a more precise basket is the only reason I would ever buy a Flair Pro 2 or 58, it's the one real limit of the Signature that you can't just work around.
I've been using a Pullman precision basket with my big step and believe it's well worth the money. Also, it's important to note how amazing their customer support is. Couldn't recommend Pullman enough.
I'm honestly surprised they're as cheap as they are. Someone could definitely charge +$100 for a basket and a lot of people will buy the thing and think it's the best thanks to the price
I have a 20g IMS NT and a 7-19g Pullman basket, they both work very well and tastewise, due to my inexperience I cannot really differentiate between the two, the Pullman does need a grind, a shade finer than the IMS, on the customer service experience with Pullman, Mark is nothing short of super and the quality of their equipment reflects the same
I would have liked to see a minimum of three shots with each basket and a blind taster. I have a tough time accepting that these differences are really that noticeable and/or not due to inconsistencies between the shots. Good data and video to be sure, I just have some issues with the experimental methodology.
Notification squad! But I'm really curious about this topic and there's not enough guide on youtube, the cafe I work for uses a really bad espresso machine and I was thinking about convincing my boss into buying a precision basket to at least fix the uneven extraction (among other problems like the fixed 80°C temperature and very wonky pressure profile). They really should just get a better machine (and grinder, and beans) but they're not gonna be easy to convince, maybe I should just look for a better workplace where I'll be treated like a professional, but I wanna see how far can I push the quality with limited resources.
Yeah I found it odd there wasn’t much on this topic as well. Hopefully you found the video helpful. Not sure if the baskets would be able to massive change the espresso from that machine though. But where there’s a will there’s a way, if it created enough pressure I’m sure you could get some decent espresso out of it.
@@Sprometheus Yeah, probably a better grinder would make a bigger difference, but I'm testing out the water to see how much they would spend to improve the espresso. I've gotten better shots with my timemore hand grinder than the no-name grinder we use, but I'm not gonna hand-grind every order and they're not gonna buy an ek43. So, I'm gonna see how far a better basket will take it, thanks for the quality content! :)
As an ex professional barista and now a home barista, i will give you an advise, cause i did the same mistake in the past Don't try to transform the shop that you are working into a specialty cafe shop, you will lose your time and patience Try to earn experience from your time there, and then try to move to a shop that recognizes and appreciates your knowledge
@@wakeawaken430 Yeah I also tried to do that at the previous place and failed (we're still in good relationship, no hard feelings with the owner) and I think I learned my lesson. But thanks for the advise anyway, I probably needed that reminder. I'm just trying to solve a problem that the owner of the place has been complaining about, they said they wanted better coffee so they hired someone with some experience (a.k.a me). But now I see that they're not ready to invest in better equipments and a little bit understaffed so I do a lot of things aside from standing at the bar. I'll see what I can do, but I'm not gonna force my ideals upon them and move on after I learned what I can learn and do my best to improve the coffee with what we have.
@@dwirandypradhika6752 If he asked for your help, write down what must be change, and then it's his choice I hope that one day you open your own ideal coffee shop, that you can choose your equipment, your coffee supplier(most important thing), so you can offer to the customer the level of service that you imagine 😉
I am curious whether the grind size was dialed in for each basket. It would be surprising if they all worked at the same grind size. If they were dialed in per basket, then what we are tasting becomes harder to attribute, due to the effect of the grind change...
All grind sizes were the same, very small coarse adjustment on the IMS to maintain consistent contact time as I find even coarser grinds extract just as well if not better in testing.
Hi thank you very much for your honest review and so much job done in espresso field :) Could you please specify, what type of basket from IMS did you use? I have the IMS B702TH26.5M, on the seller website and anywhere else there is specification, that this basket is suitable for 16g to 20g of coffe, but with 18g of coffe in it I feel some sharpness from bitter notes on the back of the tounge and also the chanelling is pretty heavy (pressure gauge 8,75 Bar). Is it possible there could be issues with overdosing the basket? I think you have said, that you brew 17g of coffe in it with 35g out and in 23 seconds. Thank you for answer and for you hard work :)
Yeah I found the IMS to really take the term filter to the fullest extent and it really filters out some dissolved solids. But I really enjoyed it with those more wild coffees, but as a daily driver it’s not for me.
@@Jaroslav. it is the v6, I had no idea that the baskets were manufactured by vst. It's nice to see espresso machine manufacturers include precision baskets.
Buenas tardes. Tengo una Rocket Mozzafiato evoR, al porta sin fondo le he cambiado la canasta por una IMS E&B LAB H24 de 16-18g, la ducha por una IMS E&B LAB RNT y una junta nueva de Rocket,…. la molienda admitiría más ajuste, para un capuchino sería bien una extracción de 25”??
@@Sprometheus OK, that's really interesting. it adds another variable to the black magic process that is pulling espresso shots. What I love in nerdy coffee things is that there are still a lot of things that aren't well understood (e.g; the chemical processes in roasting that create different flavors) and espresso is thanks to it's flavor intensity a good place to start exploring. Keep up the good work!
I'm using IMS and it's a big step from the standard la pavoni BUT my ims looks nothing like yours. It has straight sides and the area of holes covers most of the base like the Pullman in your video . I suspect by the hole numbers and patterns available for Pullman, that they are rebranded IMS anyway...anyone know differently? So the results are not just ims vs vst vs Strada. That's way to simplistic...but a specific model vs another specific model. I'd wager that similar results could be found with any single brand with varying models of basket.
This is the problem with such tests. I was looking at an IMS and its a minefield of different versions. Standard, Competition, E&B, Baristapro (whichbis not even listed on the IMS website). Then you have regular vs nanotech finish. I went for the regular finish Baristapro model 18/20g as it was not that much more than the Competition version.
Would be interesting to see how the stock basket with a paper filter in the bottom made a difference compared to the speciality baskets. Maybe the stock basket with a filter would be better?
@@llleolllolll Sorry, but you don't put 14g in a 20g basket. You need to be within 1g or so of the basket size. 14g is 6g too short and will give too much space between top of puck and the shower screen.
A friend of mine actually has one, and we chatted about it recently. It sounded a lot like the IMS that I used here. Slightly coarser grind, and less texture, but higher clarity. All kind of depends on what you’re into really.
@@Sprometheus I'm into pulling light roast long EK shots and tend to favour clarity over texture so this sounds like it could be worth a look. Would be cool if you could borrow your friends basket and give your thoughts.
@@Sprometheus fair enough, would be cheaper just to buy one I guess. I kind of see them as a low hassle version on putting aeropress filters in your basket. That said, that could be a good video topic for the future (aeropress filters in baskets and their impact).
Ι have an idea for your next video What about understanding(and how to) the case that a below average extraction is not a fact of the barista or his equipment, but a fact of a bad coffee, that doesn't follow the profile described on the sticker Happened to me several times
@@Sprometheus Ahh thanks will peruse. Have you tried turbo shots? I saw Lance's video and tried it. Disaster! Simply horrid.. then I purchased a puck screen. Tried again. Absolute transformation.. would love to see your expert opinion. Love your videos..thanks..Graham (from the UK)
Nice video! For some reason, while I can dial in a perfect flow rate + zero channeling on the Rocket stock basket, the IMS basket has beautiful flow at first but always ends up in crazy channeling second half of the shot. Tried changing dose and grind size but nothing seems to help. Waiting for a flair puck screen to experiment for any improvement 😅
I use WDT and a JX Pro hand grinder with fresh beans. Doesn’t seem to have any issue with my other baskets which is weird Plan to try it out on a Niche Zero once it arrives to see whether it could be the grinder
@@ShanBrianHe damn. You ordered the niche zero? Awesome! I don't have the Canadian funds for that, yet. Lol. You're right, strange that it's not as good with the IMS basket. However, since the holes are different, the grind size will need to be different. That said, your JX Pro should be capable of excellent grind uniformity... I think the hand grinder may be an issue? But I can't really say that for sure because it's such a great grinder, lol. The Niche Zero will definitely knock it out. I'm using a Sette 270 with my espresso but my Barista Express shower screen skews the water distribution solely to the right side. Horrendous channelling. I'm no longer able to think about how to help other than the standard: grinding on the table, flat, with a consistent speed that's slow enough to feel the beans grinding and fast enough not to stall the grinding at any point.
The only one I've used is the IMS, I noticed an immediate improvement over the stock basket on my Gaggia. I could grind a bit finer and get a much richer shot.
I think that your premise that the doing the tests without pre-infusion will highlight differences between the baskets better is interesting. Do you have data to support this or a suspected mechanism for this? (| haven't tested this or anything but I would have thought that with pre-infusion the differences in taste and extraction percentage would have been bigger if not the same).
Yeah I’m not sure they’re aimed at some of the home machines they aren’t in 58mm. I don’t think the market is big enough to makes sense for a lot of brands to manufacture them.
Great test - really useful, thanks. Quick question - your recipe of 17g/35g in 21-23s seems a short time, if that’s including pre-infusion. Or are you timing from first drip in the cup? Thanks.
Thanks for the kind words Robert, I appreciate you watching. For these tests to get the full effect of the basket I turned pre-infusion off (or as La Marzocco calls it pre-brewing). I do find it makes for cleaner extractions so it felt a little bit like a cheat in this case. So these shots are all timed from pump on. I’m a firm believer that shots should be timed as soon as water touches the grinds.
I think that your premise that the tests are going to highlight differences between the baskets better without pre-infusion is interesting. Do you have data to support this or a suspected mechanism for this? (I haven't tested this or anything but I would have thought that with preinfusion the differences in taste and extraction percentage would have been bigger if not the same).
@@DanHakeem I have the Sage (Breville) Dual Boiler and have been using the same VST 18g ridgeless basket - I have no way of doing any objecting measurements, and I don’t really notice any visual differences between it and the stock Sage basket in my bottomless PF, but there’s a definite taste difference - for the better, to my palate. I haven’t made any changes to the pre-infusion settings - yet - but using the same 17g/35g recipe but aiming for 30(ish) seconds including the default pre-infusion.
@Robert Pugh I replied to your reply by mistake 😂 I was actually asking @The Real Sprometheus the question. But your setup sounds awesome! I have a friend with a Sage who manually preinfuses the coffee (by pressing and holding the manual button) for at least 30 seconds and achieves higher extraction percentages doing this.
Thanks to your video, I just ordered my IMS Basket Baristapro Nanotech 18 gram - 58mm Precision Ridgeless Double Expresso Basket. Should have it tomorrow. I hope it makes a difference over my Bezzera BZ10 stock basket. Fingers crossed.
Little giatn 8 oz bag for 20 bucks? You're crazy. I guess I'm lucky enough to be able to get freshly roasted here. For that price, I could roast my own.
Do you think your results with the Pullman basket are benefiting from your use of the big step? In other words, do you think the results would be the same with another high end tamper like the Kafatek levtamp or BH tamper?
I thought about that after the fact. Honestly I’m not sure. But by looking at the bottomless extraction with the Pullman and the others it didn’t seem like it had any major difference, even allowing a slight donut around the edges before quickly filling in. That said, I do think diameter of your tamper and your basket can play a part in the evenness of the extraction as not all the grinds provide the same amount of resistance.
Thank you for making these reviews, they are well made w/very good details to consider. But I can only see one per day due to the speech tempo you chose make it sound robotic and unnatural. (respectfully, I think you must have a reason for choosing this but a more natural tone can really help) Best of luck!
But the strada and the VST are the same basket. Which blows many of these conclusions out of the water. They don’t taste different, because they’re physically the same basket.
You’re wrong. But that’s cute. Most baskets are made by the same manufacturer, but Strada is not checked and confirmed by laser like the VST. The differences may be small, but differences none the less.
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On my coffee journey beginning with a Rancilio Silvia & Rocky the two largest steps in quality & taste I experienced were upgrading my grinder to the Niche and switching from the stock Rancilio Silvia basket to an IMS Competition Basket (later an IMS Baristapro Nanotech Precision)
Absolutely. I mean, grinders just aren’t given enough credit. I’ve got a lot of thoughts on this topic that I should put into a video.
I found the flow rate change on my silvia with the IMS Baristapro Nanotech Precision on my silvia was dramatic(much higher). Also noticed that it may be time to move on from the rocky .
@@LowsJuan ditching the rocky is a wise choice.
I personally found an old mazzer mini and gave it some fresh burrs and converted it to low retention.
Yeah I love seeing people pair a premium grinder with a cheap espresso machine. I think they have the budget allocation right. Grind makes the biggest difference after freshly roasted, quality beans.
Which version of the Silvia? Did you replace the screen?
Thanks, Sprometheus, for the video! However, I find the results in the video and in the comments below hard to believe!
Findings: In all of my personal comparisons over the last 6 months, the VST baskets (18 & 15gr) have a much higher flow rate than the IMS comp baskets (18 & 16gr), or even the ECM OEM baskets. Only VST (18gr) and LM Strada (17gr) seem to be identical (which makes sense, also supported by Tim Murphy’s comment below; despite the different sizes of 18 and 17gr). So unlike stated in the video and in the comments below, there seems to be a huge difference.
Set-Up: I've been consistently shooting for 17gr In, 40gr Out (ie. double-shot total, hence, 20gr per espresso cup each) at 27 seconds with a 80% Arabica 20% Robusta medium-dark roast coffee blend (Merchant & Friends House Blend) at 94°C, (w/ bottled “Blackforrest” water). I need to grind much much much finer, in order to keep all other parameters consistent, when using VST (18gr) basket [you even get a quality certificate with your VST baskets, hence, I don’t think my VST basket is not working as designed]. My espresso machine is an ECM Classika II PID (ie. Vibration Pump, not Rotary Pump, like LM Linea Mini; hence, from experience/comparisons, it takes approx. 5 secs. longer for the first drop to come out when turning on the pump)
Ironically, the grinder setting for IMS comp (18gr) works perfectly fine with the special LM Single-Shot basket, where you would logically apply 8.5gr In, 20gr Out (in one single espresso cup), keeping remaining parameters consistent (ie. 27 seconds, same beans, temperature, pressure of tampering, etc.)
Consequently, if not adjusting the grinder setting, VST basket brewed espresso will always taste exactly as expected: like an under-extracted espresso (ie. sour / high in acidity) when using IMS Comp optimized grinder settings. And even when the grinder setting is set accordingly finer, the espresso tastes much “thinner”. Maybe that is preferrable for lighter roasts, where you are expecting more acidity and less body, however, for medium-dark roast Italien coffee, this does not seem to fit (in my personal opinion).
Has nobody else experienced the same differences? I mean, this is significant! Regardless of your machine and grinder at more than €2K, a little basket at ~€30 can really mess up the entire espresso experience and parameters. And with an espresso machine with a Rotary Pump vs. a Vibration Pump, it should even get more extreme, not less. Would love to hear from others, if they have made the same experience! I would have expected this to be consistently the same across VST/IM Comp users. Stunning. Not saying this video is wrong, just very surprised, Sprometheus. (But maybe you have an explanation 😉)
Try pre-infusion to mellow out the brightness. Sour. Grind finer. Shit, idk
I bought a VST basket online about 6 hours ago just before this video came out. Was glad to see it wasn't trashed
Haha well glad that’s the case, but in the end these are just one persons opinion and the extraction tests on the same coffee. So the experience may vary.
which size did you buy ? any insight about the size ?
Thank you for your informative videos! I got a couple of VST filters when they first came out, several years ago, to use with my very basic Vibiemme E61 single boiler machine. I noticed they required a much finer grind, and somehow never got a satisfying result. Not only a brighter, more sour taste, but also a much thinner texture and more uneven extraction overall. Of course this may also have to do with imperfections in my puck preparation, but in the end I reverted back to the standard basket which I have been using ever since. Thinking of upgrading my machine however, so precision baskets may yet become an option once again. Thanks again and keep up the good work!
Also found lately the Standard basket that came with my machine seems to do better than the VST. But should probably do more comparison before selling the VST basket!
same goes to me, after used it in couple week,i rather to change back to stock basket, better clarity on bean tastenotes
Seeing microscopic photos of stock Gaggia vs. Ims precision nano baskets, my eyes were opened to the superior craftsmanship put into these more expensive baskets.
I agree, but gaggia stock basket is one of the worst basket on the market.
If it hasn't already been pointed out, according to the forums, LM Strada baskets are made under licence from VST in the same factory and are essentially the same as VST, they have different quality control I believe.
Yeah it seems most baskets are made in the same factory to different specs. The Strada is made in the same as the VST and is checked by hand, as opposed to VST’s laser check.
@@Sprometheus yes they looks the same, i too have strada basket but in terms of shot quality those strada not on par to vst...
In my experience, yes its matter I've been testing out the strada, ims & vst... For me vst has more vibrant taste, simply winner...
And now im waiting for the decent 10g basket to test...
With love from 🇮🇩 indonesia
I've been using a VST basket for years, upgraded my grinder and espresso machine and lately been liking the stock ECM basket better. But I think I need more comparing before making a final conclusion.
Update: I think the VST requires a finer grind size, it might improve clarity but it seems to suffer from channeling more than the stock basket or IMS superfine basket which has a similar shape to the stock basket with curved edges instead of the straight wall (not sure if that's why). So VST is more difficult to work with but MAY give you better results for LIGHT roasts if your puck prep and grinder is near perfect.
Exactly what I found. I prefer the ECM baskets. Maybe if I dosed 18g or more the VST would work better but I only dose 16.5g.
Exactly: With all precision baskets, you have to adjust grind size and be precise in preparation. The category "precision basket" is a promise and a requirement.
Very nice. I was expecting virtually no difference, but your findings show that they all give an improvement and have a consistent profile. I upgraded to a VST years ago over a stock Livia 90 basket. It seemed to improve things, but it’s subtle. The main benefit is that it looks and feels better than the stock basket, so you get a nice experience when pulling each shot. But it seems like there’s more to it than feel and the placebo effect.
Yeah I wasn’t expecting a massive difference, and there really wasn’t in terms of extraction. But those difficult to describe factors really make the difference.
A standard La Marzocco basket is probably way better than others espresso machine brand baskets. My rocket basket is terrible. Some holes were closed. I use a 20g IMS Baristapro Nanotech basket and its way better.
Great work. love your videos.
Had the same thought
Very clear and useful breakdown thank you
It would be interesting to see a redo using the IMS Baristapro "Nanotech" basket. The wall is straighter/bottom radius smaller and the holes go out further to the edge.
Great review, great video
I think that the big difference will be if you pass from a basket that requires a totally different size of grind, just like the standard Gaggia basket, which requires a much coarser grind
In all these baskets you tested, if you fine tune the extractions, my opinion, the results will be the same, or almost the same
And i am saying that with disappointment, cause we baristas like to buy new "toys" 😂
Thanks Wake! And yes, I think had I spent time dialing in each basket very specificity trying to achieve the same results I think it would be even closer.
I like my barista pro 22G basket. Great shots & the coffee doesn’t stick to them very well.
I wish you had repeated the experience with another roast, preferably something completely different from the one tested. Especially when it comes to taste, I would be interested in knowing if the same s precision baskets gave the same (or at least similar) results for the 2nd bean.
I would've been interested to see the standard deviations of the EYs for each basket, given that these companies are marketing them as being more consistent. Would probably be more useful to know that the basket can produce the same extraction over and over rather than an overall higher average EY.
Well that’s simple enough for you to determine on your own if you pause the video on each of the results pages.
I’ve done them before on other tests, but often it’s just a data overload and really doesn’t drive any change in the overall point.
@@Sprometheus You underestimate my laziness haha! great vid though, keep it up man
i think splitting those into 3 categories like fast normal and slow flow filter would be easier to understand . use a fast flow filter for light roasts and a slow flow filter for dark roast .
I remember that I could use common greasy dark roasts more easily in the standard tapered Gaggia basket. My VST had a much faster flow & made it near impossible to work with lower quality coffees, but it opens doors if you pair with it the nicer beans, nice grinder, and added patience. Higher learning curve to match higher potential rewards
I had the same problem when I was using a Gaggia. VST was unforgiving. IMS worked for me.
@@alexlazaridisf.7276 I've been using my stock basket today and you've got me tempted to try ordering an IMS
Super helpful. Killing it as usual. Thanks Spro.
Thank you my friend! I appreciate the support!
What a great video! Great that you took the time to taste and repeatedly measure all the baskets! It's good to hear that the precision baskets do matter and it's not just marketing bullshit. But on the other hand it's hard to get anything else than IMS here, just VST, which is expensive as hell, and I tend to prefer texture and thickness over clarity...
Thanks Alan, glad you enjoyed and I appreciate the feedback.
Definitely all of these baskets are an investment. I think in the long run you’ll be very happy with the VST, and at home they last a long long time, so it should be the only basket you need to get for years.
If you prefer texture and thickness I highly recommend using the competition IMS basket over the precision.
@@Sprometheus thanks for your answer, but I've already ordered the IMS competition, thought it was gonna be a decent bang for the buck anyway. But if I don't like it, well then I'd have to sell it and go for the VST.
@@cafeclement4808 I didn't know there was a difference and they made another precision series which isn't competition. Do you have any experience with them? I've already ordered the competition ones without the nano treatment.
@@alanst.4417 I have experience with both. The precision baskets offer more sweetness and clarity. The competition offer a nice shot as well just not as much flavor clarity and vibrancy.
Great video! Informative and succinct. I use the VST 18gr a with my ECM Synchronika. I also switched to the IMS shower screen, though I would love to see a video on shower screens.
Actually I did do one a month or so back, check the Espresso Anatomy playlist I think it’s the most recent one after this.
@@Sprometheus cool!! I'll check it out, thanks for the reply
How do the shots tastes from those two upgrades? Sour? Bitter? What kind of grinder do you have?
@@JasonAlexzander1q47 the shower screen made a difference for better extraction. It's more of a consistency than a taste thing. The VST basket also made shots way more consistent, but it also required much finer grind than the stock basket. Taste is hard to quantify as it depends on the roast... So I can't say it made it sweeter or more bitter... But it did made it richer and I could definitely taste a better extraction. Again, consistency being key. Also distribution is critical.
For my grind I use the Kinu M47 Simplicity. It's amazing. I'm also waiting for my preorder of the Weber Key. Should get it late October or early November.
@@panzer2181 okay. Thanks. I have an Ecm Synchronika with the quick mill flow control. E&b lab precision shower screen is on order. I have vst ism and pullman baskets also on order.
I use the creado e37s jack leveler and puqpress q2
Great video I suggest using baristapro as a more equal top tier comparison. I have VST and Baristapro and like them both. Plan on buying a Pullman eventually.
Here is another interesting concept... what if we could break this up further and look at first half vs second half of the extraction
I'm using a VST basket. My opinion is that the grinder/burr set's particle distribution has a big influence on this. I've seen some comments in forums say that they have gone back to their original OEM baskets and found that they were better tasting (??), possibly this may have been after they changed grinders or burrs, who knows? The thing about the precision baskets is that they are consistent compared to the OEM baskets that each may be slightly unique.
Interesting. I haven’t heard of this, but I think there’s an interesting connection between “better” and “different”.
For example when I switched to a conical from a flat I was blown away how much “better” it was, but when going back to flat burrs after awhile with conical I realized it’s not better, just different and that appeals to us since we’re always chasing the dragon of best taste.
@@Sprometheus Agreed!
@@Sprometheus Oh. Are you going to do a video on chasing the dragon? I'm looking for an alternative to caffeine.
Just came here to say that the VST is miles ahead of the IMS nanotech. Both IMS baskets I have are not perfectly shaped, causing some grinds to stick to the sides of the walls when tamped (58.5mm bravo tamper). Grittier cups. VST less gritty, and noticably more even extraction with bottomless portafilter on average, which i think is reflected in the taste. To top it all off, I can bang out the puck way easier in the VST.
I find that a precision basket allows a better grind to pressurize at the desired pressures.
VST 18 g in 36 out, VBM super double boiler used, and lavazza Top Class, bitterness disappeared but less intense!!
Upgrading to a more precise basket is the only reason I would ever buy a Flair Pro 2 or 58, it's the one real limit of the Signature that you can't just work around.
great video, I am new to espresso, I have a 20G IMS basket on the way.
😮 watching these videos after my standard baskets arrived... 🤝 I played myself.😂
Just bought a Pullman basket off Square Mile - TH-camception. Thanks for the help =)
I've been using a Pullman precision basket with my big step and believe it's well worth the money. Also, it's important to note how amazing their customer support is. Couldn't recommend Pullman enough.
Glad to hear that! I haven’t had to utilize their customer service so far, but good to know it’s top notch.
I agree - out of all my baskets (VST, IMS, etc.), the actual pullman one fits the best with my bigstep
I'm honestly surprised they're as cheap as they are. Someone could definitely charge +$100 for a basket and a lot of people will buy the thing and think it's the best thanks to the price
I have a 20g IMS NT and a 7-19g Pullman basket, they both work very well and tastewise, due to my inexperience I cannot really differentiate between the two, the Pullman does need a grind, a shade finer than the IMS,
on the customer service experience with Pullman, Mark is nothing short of super and the quality of their equipment reflects the same
Does swapping out the standard shower screen make a significant improvement aswell?
Thanks, was waiting fo this one!
For sure! Thanks for watching Alex!
I would have liked to see a minimum of three shots with each basket and a blind taster. I have a tough time accepting that these differences are really that noticeable and/or not due to inconsistencies between the shots.
Good data and video to be sure, I just have some issues with the experimental methodology.
Notification squad!
But I'm really curious about this topic and there's not enough guide on youtube, the cafe I work for uses a really bad espresso machine and I was thinking about convincing my boss into buying a precision basket to at least fix the uneven extraction (among other problems like the fixed 80°C temperature and very wonky pressure profile). They really should just get a better machine (and grinder, and beans) but they're not gonna be easy to convince, maybe I should just look for a better workplace where I'll be treated like a professional, but I wanna see how far can I push the quality with limited resources.
Yeah I found it odd there wasn’t much on this topic as well. Hopefully you found the video helpful.
Not sure if the baskets would be able to massive change the espresso from that machine though. But where there’s a will there’s a way, if it created enough pressure I’m sure you could get some decent espresso out of it.
@@Sprometheus Yeah, probably a better grinder would make a bigger difference, but I'm testing out the water to see how much they would spend to improve the espresso.
I've gotten better shots with my timemore hand grinder than the no-name grinder we use, but I'm not gonna hand-grind every order and they're not gonna buy an ek43. So, I'm gonna see how far a better basket will take it, thanks for the quality content! :)
As an ex professional barista and now a home barista, i will give you an advise, cause i did the same mistake in the past
Don't try to transform the shop that you are working into a specialty cafe shop, you will lose your time and patience
Try to earn experience from your time there, and then try to move to a shop that recognizes and appreciates your knowledge
@@wakeawaken430 Yeah I also tried to do that at the previous place and failed (we're still in good relationship, no hard feelings with the owner) and I think I learned my lesson. But thanks for the advise anyway, I probably needed that reminder.
I'm just trying to solve a problem that the owner of the place has been complaining about, they said they wanted better coffee so they hired someone with some experience (a.k.a me). But now I see that they're not ready to invest in better equipments and a little bit understaffed so I do a lot of things aside from standing at the bar. I'll see what I can do, but I'm not gonna force my ideals upon them and move on after I learned what I can learn and do my best to improve the coffee with what we have.
@@dwirandypradhika6752 If he asked for your help, write down what must be change, and then it's his choice
I hope that one day you open your own ideal coffee shop, that you can choose your equipment, your coffee supplier(most important thing), so you can offer to the customer the level of service that you imagine 😉
I am curious whether the grind size was dialed in for each basket. It would be surprising if they all worked at the same grind size. If they were dialed in per basket, then what we are tasting becomes harder to attribute, due to the effect of the grind change...
All grind sizes were the same, very small coarse adjustment on the IMS to maintain consistent contact time as I find even coarser grinds extract just as well if not better in testing.
Why does it seem like 18g hardly fills up an 18g IMS basket? I had to dose 20g and could have gone higher
I owned 18g IMS nanotech and VST. I much prefer IMS as i can grind finer and much more smooth tasting imo....
So to be fair. 18g in 38g out within 28sec. What tastes better?
These guys are quite similar, have a try "Reneka micro sieve basket" you can definitely feel the differences
Hi thank you very much for your honest review and so much job done in espresso field :)
Could you please specify, what type of basket from IMS did you use? I have the IMS B702TH26.5M, on the seller website and anywhere else there is specification, that this basket is suitable for 16g to 20g of coffe, but with 18g of coffe in it I feel some sharpness from bitter notes on the back of the tounge and also the chanelling is pretty heavy (pressure gauge 8,75 Bar). Is it possible there could be issues with overdosing the basket? I think you have said, that you brew 17g of coffe in it with 35g out and in 23 seconds. Thank you for answer and for you hard work :)
I purchased a ims but really prefer to use my stock rancilio Silvia m double shot basket(I dose 15.5g).
Yeah I found the IMS to really take the term filter to the fullest extent and it really filters out some dissolved solids. But I really enjoyed it with those more wild coffees, but as a daily driver it’s not for me.
Your Rancilio basket that comes with the Silvia (if you happen to have the V6 model) is also produced by IMS.
@@Jaroslav. it is the v6, I had no idea that the baskets were manufactured by vst. It's nice to see espresso machine manufacturers include precision baskets.
Hi does 58.5mm tamper suit all those precision basket ???
Are there any noticeable differences between a ridged and ridgeless basket? Do the ridgeless stay in the portafilter when banged on the knock box?
They stay in by way of friction. Also, they're easier to clean
Great review as always. Would you know if any or all of them would work in a flair58 porta filter ? Thanks.
Hey thank you, and yeah, all of them will work with the 58. Any commercial 58mm basket will.
My Rocky Rancilio is a beast!
I got a VST basket and I immediately noticed less channelling, I was surprised
Buenas tardes. Tengo una Rocket Mozzafiato evoR, al porta sin fondo le he cambiado la canasta por una IMS E&B LAB H24 de 16-18g, la ducha por una IMS E&B LAB RNT y una junta nueva de Rocket,…. la molienda admitiría más ajuste, para un capuchino sería bien una extracción de 25”??
Great video! Would you say the taste differences were as big as comparing one grinder to another, or more subtle?
Thanks Dany, I appreciate you.
I wouldn’t say it was as big as going from one grinder to another, but not small by any means.
@@Sprometheus OK, that's really interesting. it adds another variable to the black magic process that is pulling espresso shots. What I love in nerdy coffee things is that there are still a lot of things that aren't well understood (e.g; the chemical processes in roasting that create different flavors) and espresso is thanks to it's flavor intensity a good place to start exploring. Keep up the good work!
I'm using IMS and it's a big step from the standard la pavoni BUT my ims looks nothing like yours. It has straight sides and the area of holes covers most of the base like the Pullman in your video . I suspect by the hole numbers and patterns available for Pullman, that they are rebranded IMS anyway...anyone know differently?
So the results are not just ims vs vst vs Strada. That's way to simplistic...but a specific model vs another specific model.
I'd wager that similar results could be found with any single brand with varying models of basket.
This is the problem with such tests. I was looking at an IMS and its a minefield of different versions. Standard, Competition, E&B, Baristapro (whichbis not even listed on the IMS website). Then you have regular vs nanotech finish. I went for the regular finish Baristapro model 18/20g as it was not that much more than the Competition version.
What’s your take on baskets like the IMS Superfine and the Reneka Micro Sieve?
Would be interesting to see how the stock basket with a paper filter in the bottom made a difference compared to the speciality baskets. Maybe the stock basket with a filter would be better?
If my shots typically vary between 18-19g, should I go with an 18 or a 20g basket?
20g baskets usually are good for anywhere in between 14-21g :)
@@llleolllolll Sorry, but you don't put 14g in a 20g basket. You need to be within 1g or so of the basket size. 14g is 6g too short and will give too much space between top of puck and the shower screen.
Question… was the IMS basket a 18gr basket? I don’t see a 17gr basket for sale as the standard la marzocco. Thanks
Would be keen to see you try out the latest IMS superfine basket. I'm toying with buying one but they're so expensive.
A friend of mine actually has one, and we chatted about it recently. It sounded a lot like the IMS that I used here. Slightly coarser grind, and less texture, but higher clarity. All kind of depends on what you’re into really.
@@Sprometheus I'm into pulling light roast long EK shots and tend to favour clarity over texture so this sounds like it could be worth a look. Would be cool if you could borrow your friends basket and give your thoughts.
@@unol I would be he’s in the UK. I may snag one eventually, all these baskets aren’t cheap that’s for sure.
@@Sprometheus fair enough, would be cheaper just to buy one I guess. I kind of see them as a low hassle version on putting aeropress filters in your basket. That said, that could be a good video topic for the future (aeropress filters in baskets and their impact).
Ι have an idea for your next video
What about understanding(and how to) the case that a below average extraction is not a fact of the barista or his equipment, but a fact of a bad coffee, that doesn't follow the profile described on the sticker
Happened to me several times
Would be interesting to see the same for different shower screens too
I actually did that one a month or so back, check my recent videos, I think its called "Do Shower Screens Matter?"
@@Sprometheus Ahh thanks will peruse. Have you tried turbo shots? I saw Lance's video and tried it. Disaster! Simply horrid.. then I purchased a puck screen. Tried again. Absolute transformation.. would love to see your expert opinion. Love your videos..thanks..Graham (from the UK)
Short answer: Yes
Long answer: Yes, they do.
Yeah, but there’s definitely some nuance missing from these answers haha.
@@Sprometheus Hahaha such a good sport! Your video delivers, as usual!
@@canakn8685 haha thank my friend I appreciate you watching and commenting!
Nice video!
For some reason, while I can dial in a perfect flow rate + zero channeling on the Rocket stock basket, the IMS basket has beautiful flow at first but always ends up in crazy channeling second half of the shot.
Tried changing dose and grind size but nothing seems to help. Waiting for a flair puck screen to experiment for any improvement 😅
Grinder? Do you do WDT? Fresh beans? I'm curious about your issue because I just ordered IMS for my Breville Barista Express.
I use WDT and a JX Pro hand grinder with fresh beans. Doesn’t seem to have any issue with my other baskets which is weird
Plan to try it out on a Niche Zero once it arrives to see whether it could be the grinder
@@ShanBrianHe damn. You ordered the niche zero? Awesome! I don't have the Canadian funds for that, yet. Lol. You're right, strange that it's not as good with the IMS basket. However, since the holes are different, the grind size will need to be different. That said, your JX Pro should be capable of excellent grind uniformity... I think the hand grinder may be an issue? But I can't really say that for sure because it's such a great grinder, lol. The Niche Zero will definitely knock it out. I'm using a Sette 270 with my espresso but my Barista Express shower screen skews the water distribution solely to the right side. Horrendous channelling.
I'm no longer able to think about how to help other than the standard: grinding on the table, flat, with a consistent speed that's slow enough to feel the beans grinding and fast enough not to stall the grinding at any point.
Same experience here. The IMS takes a lot finer grind to start behaving properly
What about comparing it with cheaper machine brands like Rancilio/Gaggia baskets
Yeah I thought about that; but I had already spent $100 on baskets for this video, so I just ran with the base basket I had on hand.
Switched to an IMS basket over the default breville, can't notice any difference.
Pullman basket can fit flair58?
Do you think its okay to put 21.5 gram coffee into Lamarzocco's 17gr basket? its still under the ridge line though
Does these work with the linea minis stock Portafilter or did you buy a new one?
These all work on any 58mm portafilter, and the one I used is the stock La Marzocco that came with my Mini.
What was the name of the standard control basket that you used? I listened a few times and didn't catch the name
The only one I've used is the IMS, I noticed an immediate improvement over the stock basket on my Gaggia. I could grind a bit finer and get a much richer shot.
Yeah, I’m sure even with it’s slightly lower extraction results it’s still a step up from most standards, the La Marzocco included.
I think that your premise that the doing the tests without pre-infusion will highlight differences between the baskets better is interesting. Do you have data to support this or a suspected mechanism for this? (| haven't tested this or anything but I would have thought that with pre-infusion the differences in taste and extraction percentage would have been bigger if not the same).
Great video thank you 👍🏼
Thank you, and glad you enjoyed it!
Awesome. Thanks
Of course! Thanks for watching my friend!
Would love to get one, but can’t find a 54mm one for my Barista Express 😔
Yeah I’m not sure they’re aimed at some of the home machines they aren’t in 58mm. I don’t think the market is big enough to makes sense for a lot of brands to manufacture them.
I just ordered 54 mm IMS baskets and screen from Canada.
@@ME-mf7xp
I’ve heard they’re not fully compatible with the Sage (Breville) BE, right? Unless you tweak with the rim of the basket?
@@freezingsunbreaka
For the Sage (Breville) Barista Express?
You guys are right! Must be new. Found it on Amazon.
What is the difference between ridge and ridgeless baskets? Can either one fit in a portafilter that has the wire around it? Thank you
Yes both will fit. as long as the wire is not totally worn out , a ridgeless will stay in there just fine in my experience
Great test - really useful, thanks.
Quick question - your recipe of 17g/35g in 21-23s seems a short time, if that’s including pre-infusion. Or are you timing from first drip in the cup?
Thanks.
Thanks for the kind words Robert, I appreciate you watching.
For these tests to get the full effect of the basket I turned pre-infusion off (or as La Marzocco calls it pre-brewing). I do find it makes for cleaner extractions so it felt a little bit like a cheat in this case. So these shots are all timed from pump on. I’m a firm believer that shots should be timed as soon as water touches the grinds.
@@Sprometheus I did wonder re the LM… thanks for taking the time to reply. 🙏👍
I think that your premise that the tests are going to highlight differences between the baskets better without pre-infusion is interesting. Do you have data to support this or a suspected mechanism for this? (I haven't tested this or anything but I would have thought that with preinfusion the differences in taste and extraction percentage would have been bigger if not the same).
@@DanHakeem I have the Sage (Breville) Dual Boiler and have been using the same VST 18g ridgeless basket - I have no way of doing any objecting measurements, and I don’t really notice any visual differences between it and the stock Sage basket in my bottomless PF, but there’s a definite taste difference - for the better, to my palate.
I haven’t made any changes to the pre-infusion settings - yet - but using the same 17g/35g recipe but aiming for 30(ish) seconds including the default pre-infusion.
@Robert Pugh I replied to your reply by mistake 😂 I was actually asking @The Real Sprometheus the question. But your setup sounds awesome! I have a friend with a Sage who manually preinfuses the coffee (by pressing and holding the manual button) for at least 30 seconds and achieves higher extraction percentages doing this.
im using ims comes with bianca , i switch to vst it's feel like downgrade idk why . ims much better
Was there any big difference in grind settings between baskets to hit the standard recipe window?
Nope, actually the only one that needed any adjustment to stay on track was a slight coarseness adjustment for the IMS as it was a bit slower.
Is there any 51mm precision basket for my delonghi dedica?
I’m not sure on that one, but I bet if you Googled it you may find something.
Do precision baskets really matter is you’re using paper filters?
Love the clear takeaways!
Thanks to your video, I just ordered my IMS Basket Baristapro Nanotech 18 gram - 58mm Precision Ridgeless Double Expresso Basket. Should have it tomorrow. I hope it makes a difference over my Bezzera BZ10 stock basket. Fingers crossed.
Yesssss
That new video feeling is reeeeaallllll!
@@Sprometheus turbo shot with precision basket. Pretty please 😁🤙
4days off roast? Isn't that a bit early? I usually let my beans rest for 6-7days.
In the cafe we even prefer our espresso to sit 14 days - 4 days seems super early to me too
@@mattswayne2849 spro-bro is a bit spro sometimes 😅 but OK let him have his 4days
Fascinating!
Little giatn 8 oz bag for 20 bucks? You're crazy. I guess I'm lucky enough to be able to get freshly roasted here. For that price, I could roast my own.
Do you think your results with the Pullman basket are benefiting from your use of the big step? In other words, do you think the results would be the same with another high end tamper like the Kafatek levtamp or BH tamper?
I thought about that after the fact. Honestly I’m not sure. But by looking at the bottomless extraction with the Pullman and the others it didn’t seem like it had any major difference, even allowing a slight donut around the edges before quickly filling in.
That said, I do think diameter of your tamper and your basket can play a part in the evenness of the extraction as not all the grinds provide the same amount of resistance.
Spro, whose cups are we seeing?
Those are some sick cups from my friend Sarah, she has a studio here’s the site…www.skayeceramics.com
I have pesado that not included to the comparison 😭
Might be time to switch! Haha. If you’re happy with it no use changing.
21-23 seconds is a rather fast shot time
I have both IMS and VST. Which is better depends on the type of coffee I use.
Thank you for making these reviews, they are well made w/very good details to consider. But I can only see one per day due to the speech tempo you chose make it sound robotic and unnatural. (respectfully, I think you must have a reason for choosing this but a more natural tone can really help)
Best of luck!
But the strada and the VST are the same basket. Which blows many of these conclusions out of the water. They don’t taste different, because they’re physically the same basket.
You’re wrong. But that’s cute. Most baskets are made by the same manufacturer, but Strada is not checked and confirmed by laser like the VST. The differences may be small, but differences none the less.
I like coffee
That makes two of us
That's what she said 🤣🤣🤣
It is actually matters for espresso machines other than la marzocco
blind test?
That's what she said 😎
I just couldn’t help myself. Haha
Unifilter all the way.
nice i'm first ;P
Thanks for watching!
On todays episode of: "Look everyone, I have a Linea Mini"
On today’s episode of: “Look, I’m going to make assumptions about someone’s financial status via one belonging.”
Aren't you a miserable prick, he provided a very informative video using the machine he's had for *checks notes* 4 years...
@@Sprometheus I didn't make any assumptions, it was just a light hearted joke because I see the machine often :) Love the videos, keep it up.
@@HassanEO thanks friend, these kinds of comments sometimes irk me because I get them frequently and often it’s not a joke haha.
@@Sprometheus That spotlight can mess with how you perceive interactions from strangers.