Dumfries Police Stations and Her Majesty's Prison Photographic Audit
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- A photographic audit of two police stations and a prison in Dumfries. The Gung-ho attitude of police in recent days seems to have been suppressed somewhat - methinks they've had a serious kicking from their hierarchy after some serious errors when dealing with the law-abiding public.
Seems that the 'moooooooove onnnnnnnnnnn' lady who couldn't handle not being taken seriously is Inspector Anne Marie Smith... with some history - www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/nine-senior-cops-probe-over-9582952
Fantastic video and thanks so much for it. What a dirty bitch eh? Cant wait to go up there on 19th, Its only for a plea but am taking my replacement camcorder and gopro. Gonna be filming like nothing's happened, see how I go.
wonder how many are masons
Focus Pocus there is a great site down in Bournemouth you should come and photograph
@@everlast2658 my next door neighbours are masons that is mr mason and mrs mason,like your comment xx
Focus Pocus love all videos
"...somebody hurt my feelings,"
"we'll be there in two minutes"
"...somebody broke into my house, assaulted me and stole everything",
"sorry, no one's available, we're too busy helping someone who's feelings got hurt"
So reassuring.
Omg this comment is so spot on
"Someones just murdered a girl on her way home..."
"Well the boys will be boys sir..."
"Someones just murdered a girl in a pub car park..."
"Really sir? That'll just be one of the lads i spect having a bit of a jape....."
This is absolutely bang on
Someone breaks into your house takes them days to respond and do nowt
You'd have to tell Plod that someone broke into your house and they had a camera.
Just gotta share how auditors are making our lives better. the other day I was waiting to meet someone in the high street of my local town, which apparently looked suspicious, the old Bill came and started asking searching questions, all I said was "hang on a minute I think I ought to film this interaction" and before I managed to get my phone out they said "never mind sir," and they beat a hasty retreat. Thanks for your hard work 👍
These personal security cameras are keeping citizens safer from the people who claim to protect us.
OH right hahahaa they run away from you because they were afraid of being filmed. You have NEVER been arrested, questioned or had that heavy door locked behind you. You don't know that world first hand. What a comical post
Nearly as funny as yours
@@mrsbee5056 Actually they don't like being filmed and they were trying to change the law to make it an offence, Scottish police deliberately dragged their feet on their bodycams because they don't help their case in court.(far to used to making things up and expecting it to fly in the lower courts
I never get tired of watching this video. It’s fascinating to watch people who are so used to being “ in charge “ of any given situation, trying to cope, when they discover that sometimes, citizens have every right to do what they are doing and defy all the “ request “ identify and desist.
You put that perfectly
Do you mean that they don't take well to being told off like the children they are for breaking the law. If they are going to break a law, I always think a person should be ready to accept the consequences and take it like a man. or woman...depending on your preference
he knows how to let them understand that he has the information that means he can be there
Totalitarianism is here in the UK.
Shame they don't respond to real crime as quick.
Oligarchy ,
don't talk bollocks man
Brexit will only make it worse. No European human rights. More power to the Police State.
When you are polite, as you are, it gives the police very little room to find a false charge against you. Well done.
Helps to be middle aged and white
@@cameronohare4000 Another sad case of victim mentality, Koleecbercs does this daily and from what I’ve seen has never been arrested. Don’t be so stupid.
@@cameronohare4000 uh, wtf dude. Racism, boring.
@@cameronohare4000 throw that card away. You’ll always be a victim till you do.
Absolutely the best auditor online, well read , current on events , educated, articulate, witty , spontaneous and assertive. Sharpest guy Ive ever heard doing FAA and Ive been bingeing these kinds of videos for a year. My hat is off to you mate, we are not worthy .
Yep, Punk music plays, then the almost crime free retirement community of Dumfries pans into view. Go to Shawlands, Partick, Killie, I don't know somewhere that CRIME happens like murder, rape, kidnapping, gun crime ...that sort of thing.
Some classic lines that caused them utter bemusement for several seconds: "Is there any where in Dumfries exempt from photography?" 6:18
"The circadian rythms of life in Dumfries" 11:16
One of the most skilled auditors who disarms, embarasses and educates with tact and diplomacy.
FP is a national treasure. We need more of his community supporting activity.
"The circadian rhythms of life around Dumfries" - excellent!
You are THE best auditor because you are calm, polite, respectful and non confrontational. You politely stand up for your rights and the police clearly know you are well educated in the laws of public photography. The only issue is: THEY DON'T LIKE IT. They have no control over you whatsoever. I 👏👏👏👏 Every one of your videos. Keep up with the good work.
I have to say that police Scotland are the worst when it comes to violating the rights of the public! Thanks for your vlog👍
We don't see it often, but N. Ireland is not a pretty site in regards to violation of rights. Shocking over here.
The sooner they go independent the better
only when you let them violate your rights
I raise you the City Of London police.
The most corrupt police force in the UK.
they are all the same no good
Simple question asked was 'is there anywhere in Dumfries exempt from photography' Police unable to answer or understand question, their powers of listening and basic understanding is staggeringly poor.
You have the best manner and approach to do what you're doing. I hope when the pressure is on that you recall the letter of the law for your own safety and well being. I applaud you, and thank you immensely for your commitment and candour when dealing with these psychophants.
It never ceases to amaze me how they always get roped in every time. Do they not watch youtube?
The world is a stage
Underrated channel, I'm just in the middle of binge watching the lot 😊
yes it is a bit of treasure in a sea of muck. excellent documentary!!
Me too😄3 years later
Out of all the audit dudes on TH-cam you're the best. You answer with intelligent responses and ask thoughtful questions all in a polite but firm tone. Even with a sense of humour which bedazzles the Police. Keep it up man.
I prefer when audit Britain refuses to answer their questions & it winds them up even more & makes better viewing... Just my opinion..... But with focus pocus, he is all friendly & he usually gets a "have a nice they, nice talking to you"... I like seeing the cops blood boil because of "non compliance" with their questioning..... LOL....
AB is good " but this guy is good as well and also DJ
I am wondering why he is wasting his time doing this instead of working for a bit of coin he likes getting a few quid from TH-cam. I would give him a real audit. A TAX audit to make sure that he's paid tax on any of the TH-cam profit. The only reason that you shouldn't really be photographing or filming these buildings is because of the security risk, like terrorist attack, prison breaks etc. Also its unfair to anyone getting arrested to have their face splattered all over TH-cam I don't like that. He seems to be vague about why he is doing this and strikes me as a bored person of lesser intelligence looking for attention and TH-cam bucks. Pretty boring film though, won't be tuning in to this "yawn" again.
@@mrsbee5056 Thanks for you opinion Constable, get back to work, which is abusing people's rights😂
Snout s I’m the trough can’t help themselves why they are so detested they’d hate it if questioned as a civilian doing nothing but think the jokers outfit gives them a right to dictate ure life .. fools …. Policing by feelings must stop and be bring into law I’m suspicious again that word needs banned as it’s abusing word of peoples rights ..
Second to none as the uk's best auditor. I direct all new auditors to this channel so they can watch how it's done. Would love to see more especially like wigan police station. Just awesome. You can only milk a cow for 3 years is the best line ive heard!
The police station is a sensitive building - it has feelings & doesnt like being filmed 😂😂😂
"A docu'mockya'rockyamentry. Classic 😂
:P
Took me quite a while to stop laughing at that !
and the most honest and audacious answer..
Documockurockumentary
His face dropped when you said you were going to the prison afterwards lmao
and he still couldn't fucking resist 'pigsplaining' !
What a twat he made himself look for the whole world to see.
Fully fledged 106 gram brain moran.
Well there is certainly a pattern developing on what is required to become a piggy. Lightweight brain (as filthy farm pigs have), and have no consideration or respect of the law (they feel they have the right to just make up charges on the spot (the easiet which is now going to backfire on them 'Breach of the Peace).
Wonder what the stats are with that charge in Dumfries with comparrision with D&D etc, etc
love to see the stats on that !
Nosey bastards are'nt they......lol
These were clear attempts to intimidate a photographer.
Think I'll take a trip to Dunfries soon....!
To be fair they have a job to do and they have to come out and ask and size up the situation. The guy outside the police station was not aggressive or intimidating and could be used by police in training how to talk to people. The Two outside the earlier police station especially the woman could be used as how not to approach people. Her initial approach was okay but when things were not going her way and she was not getting what she wanted she made personal remarks ...very unprofessional. she also tried to talk down to the photographer.
Drones
To answer the question you posed, yes, they absolutely can't stand it when people won't do what they're told when they're told. I see this more and more as I watch more and more of these audits. Good job again.
New subscriber to your channel. I love to see people standing up for there rights. I am from the United States. I had no idea people in the UK did audits of the government facilities. It’s awesome to see u standing up for ur rights there in the UK just as we stand up for ours here in the USA. Keep up the great work. Love your videos. ❤️❤️❤️ Photography is not a crime.
How on earth can you be held accountable for the thought processes going on inside someone else's head? Totally illogical.
If you told them that the coppers caused you fear and alarm would they investigate themselves? I think not.
Question ! instead of having a camera , if you turned up with artist's equipment ' paints,canvas, aisle , chair & started painting ! would they still come out so quickly and ask what you are doing ???? someone should try this as an experiment
Thats a really good point... Thanx.
Great idea... would be an interesting experiment, but I doubt the artist would be treated the same...
That would be hilarious
Go on then. Thought is father to the deed.
genius
I love how they always pause and think before giving their name.
It's interesting to see the similarities and differences between your videos and the auditors in America. These were, compared to American police, very polite interactions. You handled yourself very well. Thanks for sharing.
Don't be fooled by polite interactions. Police Scotland are the type to call you "sir" and say "thank you" as they violate your rights and play Whack-A-Mole on your head with their nightsticks.
Any interaction from the police to citizen engaging in a lawful activity is harassment.
Very well handled, good confident responses to fishing questions, nice one, well done.
So glad I found this channel. I've seen many many many audit channels but you are fantastic. Many come across as being outright rude, you are as polite as they are, well read and funny. Great editing too
"CCTV in operation." Translation: We're watching YOU, but you can't watch US!
When I saw someone walk past, I wish you had said “well that person walking by is causing me to feel alarmed and distressed “ it would have been great to see if he would go and investigate
Immediate thumbs up for the “Pretty Vacant” intro 👍🏻
That train ride brings back memories, I've got two friends who live in Dumfries, one right next to the jail. Quality video. I'm on a binge of high quality focus pocus videos.
I would love it if people started swarming that area with cameras.
Give it time...
how about 1 person begins filming and when copper 1 arrives a second person starts filming and every time another copper turns up another camera person turns up?
An organised anarchist eh Dave.. ?
@@focuspocus3690 This video was so well done friend. You asked the right things of those cops at Dumfries Central stn. When you mentioned the gopro, I reckon the stn has had many chats about people filming and they had gopros and we arrested them unlawfully.
You did so well on asking about filiming in public. You could clearly tell the cop was extremely midful that he would be on youtube lol.
Yes, I would urge anyone that can travel to Dumfries on 19th March that would like to be take photos in public to do so. I'm going to be filming the police headqtrs and Dumfries central stn as did FP
@@sandwichman100 haha Brilliant 👍🏻
Focus Pocus thankyou for your videos, you Sir are excellent in your approach and how you carry yourself. I especially enjoy how you ask your questions, where there is only one truthful answer that can be given, well done to you from Australia....
Great stuff again. 👏 I am going through some of your earlier stuff like this 👍 thanks buddy stay safe .
Loving the music in all of your work.
❤️👍. I’m...I don’t know what to say. I’m so relieved for the obvious reason that you didn’t need your toothbrush😉. I’m very happy that your freedom to ‘do’ is respected Focus Pocus. I stand in awe at the way you carry yourself and your explanations to the questions. I have learnt so much from watching the interaction and especially the fact that a perfectly legal action has been respected by the police.
I’m glad I hadn’t fallen asleep so I noticed the banner pop up telling me that this was happening. There are many layers that revealed themselves to me in your action and I can not thank you enough for taking the time to share this. UK FA was doing the same and he was arrested. Your mirrored movements within Dumfries were a joy to watch and behold. A gentleman when asked questions and the clarity of your responses were spot on. To say I’m happy at your treatment is not the correct word it’s more than that and your whole demeanour was spot in.
Thank you so much Focus Pocus. I think you know what this interaction means to me. My deepest respect and thanks. ❤️👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍. A documockurockmentary...😂😂👍
My pleasure Davy, and though you've suffered at the hands of these pseudo law enforcement officers, it has bonded a lot of auditors on here and helped us focus on why we do this.
@@focuspocus3690 still my deepest thanks. Rarely in my life have I had direct help from people, it's always been the other way round. I'm humbled and feeling something that I've never really felt before. People caring and helping me. Thank you. :-)
The police have to respect the law and cannot turn a lawful activity into a crime! Therefore before interacting with clueless lawless cops know your rights and the law around photography because if and when you do meet with police I guarantee you will be the only one that does know the law!
@@karenbevis8179 unfortunately i think the police often get away with turning a lawful activity into a crime Karen and the courts allow it. The justice system is frequently unjust.
The lineup for police at Google must be a mile long, if it takes this many for a single photographer! It is amazing that cops turn up in numbers for a cameraman, but you have to wait if you are burgled.
Calm, polite, friendly you sir are getting a subscribe!
Police "is it just the police station or are you going to be taking pictures anywhere else?"
"No, no, I'm off to the prison in a minute" 🤣🤣🤣
Bloody good work, well done again. Fighting for our freedoms from these mini tyrants who think they can make their own laws up.
To be fair you can understand why they don’t want people photographing their lovely buildings, they are so beautiful that if word gets out there will be hundreds, or even thousands, of people from England wanting to take a photographs of them. The public footpaths will be full of people wanting to capture the stunning architecture and the impressive features like CCTV cameras and aerial masts. The way the prison had that adornment of barbed wire is fabulous. I’m off to book a rail ticket to go up and capture these photogenic buildings. I might even be lucky enough to chat to their welcoming police who do such a brilliant job of making people feel so welcome. 😊
The little Bolchevic in training just glared.
You're the absolute king of auditors my fried you really are out on your own you've the best character you're so watchable
You my friend have to get some new content on here! Brilliant take down's on those ignorant bullies in uniform.
Liar liar pants on fire. A lawful activity can not be made into a crime, doesn't matter who feels alarmed or distress, that's their issues
The problem with s50 ASBA is that almost ANY action can be used to say you’ve caused alarm, harassment and distress.
You don't know Scottish cops and our court system. If two cops say they saw you riding a unicorn down the High street, chasing Nessie, brandishing Excalibur with an army of Haggis in tow, you would have to prove it wasn't true. Scottish Courts call it 'corroboration'. The rest of the world calls it collaboration.
must say that was a great video thanks for coming up and showing support
All your uploads are so good, I literally click 'like' on the video 0.0003s after loading it now, without thinking about it. Some sort of pavlovian response I'm sure.
So basically if a car drives past me and makes me jump (causing Me fear and alarm) they'll arrest the driver WHAT A CROCK OF SHIT!!!
Great video as usual beautifully handled keep up the good work
He never said arrest he said he was Duty bound to investigate which is a fair comment but any reasonable police officer would have arrived realise the all you're doing is taking photos and leave unfortunately this is rarely the case
@@bbomber2299 He said more than that he said "If you are taking photographs of secure areas we would have to respond to that" This suggests the notion that taking photographs of secure areas from a public place is illegal. If the "response" is that they will just do the same i.e. come and ask what you are doing and will you identify yourself and your answer is "I am taking pictures for personal social business or news reasons and I am not going to identify unless you are arresting me for a crime which you inform me of in advance of arresting me " then that's not a problem.
@@peteramberley9952 I've had that from police. An ex colleague who I whistle blew because she is corrupt in care industry with others, (charity which I raised before all this big stuff kicked off over charities) She claimed I was harassing her by turning left not right out of shopping complex or having my breakfast in a certain high street chain.
Police actually went with it rather than tell her no crime.
Also they didn't take into account her going past THREE times.
Complaint in to police but bet nothing comes of it.
@@vincitveritas3872 bet if you'd reported her they'd have arrested you for wasting police time and being a Man
The circadian rhythms of life in Dumfries.....absolutely brilliant!!
These jocko police liars never learn, that while they enforce the law they are not the law nor do they have the authority to make up the law.
As a Jock, i beg to differ, they make the rules up as they go along and the courts back them.
@Scotland It will always be Jocko to me.
Jocko? You’ll be one of those Norman feckers s aye, you piebald twat.
@@staxalot8587 No, a true pre-Roman Brit with the DNA to prove it.
@@nonenone-vt8cg calm doon cheddar man
"You've been dealt with before" talking to you like you are some kind of naughty child.
I love how you stood your ground. These tyrants need to be put in place.
Prison dorks must've got a right bollocking from the top brass prior to you visit.
I love the way you let the cop talk his way out of stop and search under Section 43.
Prisoners in dumfries prison currently scrutinising this video to see if there are any tips or hints on how to break out. Papillon.
Great Soundtrack.Thank you for all your work, I am in a much better position knowing my rights because of your videos.Cheers
You have a pair of balls my friend for sure. Well done.
the best and my favourite auditor on youtube. please publish more work.
Those cops were causing me alarm and distress, shouldn't they be arrested?
They should certainly be questioned. Those yellow vests are alarming. A quick call to 999 should sort that out.
Excellent audit. Superb as always.
DOCUROKUMENTARY love that and the filming the Circadian Rythym of life in Dumfries! Classic lines mate.
Just found u on you tube ....love way u shoot your vids and still shots......big hello from Texas!!!!!
Great interaction. Love the way you respond to these tyrants. I am still new to auditing and have still to learn the calmness that others like you display. However, I am the way I am and I think I am likely to continue responding to them the same way lol
Haha! Great comment, I fancy doing this but also know I would struggle to stay calm. Just watching the jumped up rozzers gets my heart rate up. I like your work too btw. 👍
Sometimes it is impossible to remain calm around such incompetent stupidity from people you are paying a professional salary to. Honestly I feel like if I sent my 10 year old out to speak with a photographer he would be back with all the information he needed in a hot minute. A man engaged in a lawful activity with no ill will toward anybody.
Love it!! We definitely softened them up.. I'm just waiting for them to download but there definitely on their best behaviour 🤣🤣
DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER, AND THE THOUGHT POLICE! 1984 IS HERE!
It was here in 1984. We are way past that.
@@randyralls9658 ha ha 😅
This man and these activities will stop us all going back to 1984. Thank you.
Focus pocus, you & your brothers in arms are heroes fighting the good fight...
Thumbs up as always mate...keep up the civil work
so THEY get to ask questions, but if YOU show up to film & document it's suspicious?
Please start doing more mate. You are great auditor wish we had a more regular upload.
So if someone says the body cams of the police are causing alarm and distress, would they have to stop filming ?
If someone said the cctv cameras around town were causing them alarm and distress, would the cameras be taken down ?
They only use that law when it suits them, otherwise they’d have to arrest themselves on a weekly basis.
No because those cameras are magic and arent like the exact same type of camera owned by a member of the public, dont you know a member of the public could use a camera or go pro as a weapon, ask the cops 😂😂😂😂
BBC and Sky cameras are all ok though, the police love them, especially the BBC.
Who knows what type of people are monitoring those CCTV cameras - they could be pedophiles, rapists or any other type of pervert. It causes me alarm and distress not to be able to see who is watching my children covertly and what happens to their images!
So true.
Great video btw, loved it.
S38 is a typical case of legislative creep where a law introduced to plug a loophole in domestic violence incidents is now one of the most common charges. Not much case law on it, that I could find, and because it's a 'reasonable person' requirement an actual person doesn't need to suffer fear and alarm. Due to mens rea the 'intention' of your behaviour is critical (I think the accused needs to prove this). Seems fairly straightforward to argue that photographing the cop shop is reasonable especially as Police have an 'abnormal sensitivity' (one potential defence) especially because they crap on about 'current climate' so much.
Good Job dude i really like this attitude is amazing, keep doing this!!
Awesome track to start the video with.
That takes me back 30 odd years to
The Dragon pub Nottingham.
Thank you..
thank you for the filming, it is educational, cheers.
they have every right to ASK,you have every right to tell them NO THANKS and walk away....
Unfortunately the Public Order Act (in England at least) does give the police rights when someone is distressed or whatever nonsense it is. What you can cobble into an illegal act via the POA is pretty shocking tbh
6/9/19
Greetings from Fort Worth, Texas, I'm an American citizen & I've been watching numerous audits from the UK for the last 3 days. One thing I've noticed is that police still act brainwashed with the bogus terrorist mentality like 9/11 happened yesterday. I have to say that I'm impressed with your intelligence agencies & their psychological operations, seriously, they've gotten into the police & security heads so deep they're trying to stop their own shadows because their acting suspicious. It's not only the police, most of the public are the same. No one is able to think for themselves rationally anymore. Taking video/photos out in public will draw 2 or 3 police quicker than flies if you shit a turd.
Just my opinion & observations, stay safe.
Spot on
just like the USA the land of the free
Here in the UK we have summary & indictable offences just like in the USA the have misdemeanor & felony offences. So when the police say you are "Suspicious" you can ask "IS that a Summary offence OR a indictable offence ?
Granted it's not exactly the same but it should be close enough !
‘The circadian rhythms of life’ lol. Brilliant. 😀
Polite cop said it was beyond him the first time he heard it, but remembered it exactly right when rehearsing his story for his sargent ;-)
Laughed my ass off at that. Try selling melatonin!
@@eddievandriver2273 seargent
@@mejesticmermaid7043 Sergeant
Brilliant, your answers are exemplary and hilarious too. Same old give me your details and waffle about security and current climate whilst they havnt a clue about rights,keep it up its very entertaining
'circadian rythm's of dumfries'! that line should go down in history as one of the best lines ever used against a policeman! it hit him like a hurricane! his brain was destroyed in an instant my double choca mocha was spat all over my dog when u said it! brilliant absolutley brilliant!
What a joy to watch...these idiots do show themselves up for what they really are..Take care my friend
"Making a documockurockumentary" Priceless.
I plan on visiting Dumfries and Scottish borders this summer from America.
Maybe I'll do my own auditing there 😃
Ricochet Dumfries is a shitehole full of junkies and high unemployment. I wouldn’t bother.
@Hocus Pocus nicely done and a great show of support as well. I can't really say that was a pass, but it was more than a pass than the other two occasions when the most recent unlawful arrests took place. Keep up the great work.
More of the Feelings Police.
Top job mate...thanks for taking the time to go
They forgot to say: "In this day and age"
Great vids, cheers from Canada !
And "under the current climate"
Back here after UK Freedom Audit's recent highlight of the video. Well done for getting nearly 150,000 views!
Great video ... disarming the police with politeness and they hate it
'Circadian rhythms' really stumped him there.
I still love this production FP..... Missing your vids
At around 12:40 'ish you could have reported in advance to those officers that you'd like to report that there's a strong possibility that someone working on behalf of the prison or even visiting the prison that your visiting later may at some point try to prevent you from legally filming from a public place.
Explaining how they may even attempt to make a false claim of alarm or distress in an attempt to violate your lawful rights to film or have you moved along. You could have also made it clear how that sort of behaviour always causes you allot of alarm and distress. 😂
By his logic anything thats reported to them has to be taken seriously and investigated in the exact same manner that they investigate you every single time someone calls about you.
Love your videos man. keep em coming!!
As for the two male cops in the caps - your job is to UPHOLD the law. Photography is a lawful activity and it is your job to UPHOLD the law around that lawful activity not try to impede anyone enjoying their lawful activity because someone does not like it; particularly when they are surrounded by cameras the minute they step out of their door. Do the police run a recruitment drive at the local metal health facility to try and get the most ill informed, paranoid people possible to make into cops?
Excellent show of support Focus, well done. Outstanding video as usual. Also shows that if you use a few long words which the police are too thick to understand then they refrain from abusing your rights ! And I guarantee your long camera lens had something to do with you not getting arrested like Davy and UK freedon audit and NNS, they suspected you were a mainstream journalist I recon. Now this shows selective abusing.
@No Commentz - Are you really that thick that you don't realise that getting police to answer questions at the first encounter can work against them at the second encounter, or at the prison? Do you have to be spoon-fed (with someone saying 'open wide') the fact that dialogue will help the other auditors if I expose differences in their understanding of policy, or can show that there is disparity in the way they have dealt with different auditors.
@@focuspocus3690 Well said Focus, Feed this idiot with a BIG spoon of subliminal Pocus ! @No Commentz... listen very carefully to the verbal manipulation in this very well made audit rather than looking but not seeing.
@No Commentz You're a bell end pal.
@@focuspocus3690 FP, you are very much a professional with tact, patience and determination. I wish I had the patience :) ( I have the determination though)
@Tommy M LOL. Agreed.