Adepticon 2024 - 3D Printing is Taking over the Wargaming Scene!
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00:00 - Intro
The (tiny) *GW/WH Booth* must've felt like a Hobbit on The Field of The BATTLE Of FIVE ARMIES'* _did._ ( i.e. in need of an _"Armour-change"_ )
finish that mini then sell it for charity. love the idea of team work ^^
Who is the cosplayer from the thumbnail?
@@stormelemental13 probably ai
3d printing actually changed me from a wargamer to a figure painter. When i first bought my printer it was to print minis to use in dnd and maybe warhammer, but I've basically transitioned to printing and painting large figurines. I never considered this side of the hobby before and now i don't do anything else.
I desperately want a printer for this exact purpose, to have a load of cheap models to improve my painting skills on and try out different techniques. It's only having no adequet ventilation in my apartment that has held me back.
@@Faiythe Honestly, if you print your models big enough, you can make do with an fdm printer, like a bambu A1 mini, and you won't have to worry too much if you print in pla.
😂 same here
Thanks for showing off some of my Resin beast entries! (At 0:05 and 8:40 )
Thanks for painting them, I really liked both entries!
Say what you want about copyright infringement, 3D printing is doing things to keep GW’s LOTR game alive that GW refuses to do. That community is so starving for more terrain and models.
Amazing...... & the (tiny) GW/WH Booth must've felt like a Hobbit on The Field of The BATTLE Of FIVE ARMIES'* _did._ ( i.e. in need of an _"Armour-change"_ )
Dude, you know that MESBG Is a messy wargame because of the IP? GW need the aproval of many IP holders for them to release something.
@@miriamhexxer2732 Oh yeah I totally get it. Just in terms of business sense it makes 100x more sense to focus on IP they control and don’t have to pay royalties on. Thus my approval of STL creators providing the support MESBG can’t get elsewhere, helping keep the game alive.
3d printing is a scum bag way of getting your models. And you are not helping the game...you are killing it. Our entire gaming group has banned all proxy and 3d printed minis from our games.
@@nomore2226 How lovely for you. You know how you call that? Gatekeeping. It is the basic attitude that kept women from voting or poc from entering universities for long periods. The future is now, old man.
I find that 3D printing has really helped my modelling/painting side of things. Instead of being worried about ruining an expensive model which may be important to an army list, I find I am more willing to experiment and take risks since I know I can try again without breaking the bank.
Eyyyyy, It's me. 4:21. You can clearly see on my badge that I am in fact Vince Venturella.
I was dubbed "Primaris Vince" sometime on Thursday and that stuck.
Aww I wish I'd heard that before I recorded, that would have been a great line!
@@FauxHammer yeah, shout to roofuskit
LMAO Primaris Vince is so good!
Just a few things GW “borrowed” from in order to create their “IP” includes:
•Starship Troopers by Heinlein, 1959 (this is where Space Marines, power armor, jetpacks, deep strike, drop pods, Tyranids, and much more comes from)
•Tolkien (Orcs, [dark] elves, magic spells as we know them)
•Dungeons and Dragons (the entirety of Warhammer Fantasy and Space Hulk were a lift-and-shift from 80s DnD systems)
Pretty sure Dark Elves are R.A Salvatore but yes :)
The Political system of the Imperium and it’s Galaxy travelling ways are basically Dune. Sly Marbo is basically dyslexic Rambo. Necrons are Egyptian Terminators. Tyranids - Alien(s) Tyranids - Enders Game. Genestealers - Aliens (face huggers) Prevalence of Flamer weapons - Aliens. Adeptus Arbites - Robo Cop. Rogue Traders - Han Solos. The saddest thing for me is how little love Chaos gets from GW because to my knowledge they are Original IP.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but Chaos, including the 8 pointed arrow symbol, are ripped straight from Michael Moorcock. This was something that was an open secret in early editions, as the original GW team were massive fans and did not hide it. In Warhammer fantasy the Elves (both high and dark) take a lot from the Melniboneans from Moorcock. The were an isolated former empire (ulthuan) filled with amoral sadists (Naggarond) who regularly enslaved people and treated other races with scorn. In a few stories his heroes have to fight creatures warped by the chaos gods to have the heads and appendages of beasts.
D&D was also heavily inspired by Moorcock. The Law-Chaos axis from their alignment table is from Moorcock, as his stories were usually about those two cosmic forces colliding. The eye and hand of Vecna are a reference to the Corum books where the hero gets infused with the eye and the hand of destroyed elder gods. Moorcock gets a mention in the wonderful Appendix E of the 5th ed PHB, so credit to D&D for making that connection more explicit and encouraging people to read some of these influences, of which Moorcock is one of many.
Malus Darkblade, Drizzt, and Geralt of Rivia are homages (if we are being charitable) to Elric of Melnibone, Moorcock's most famous character. One of his other series 'Hawkmoon' has a decrepit emperor installed in a machine throne that keeps him alive. His heavily armored soldiers are all organized into legions themed around certain animals. He's not the same as the emperor of mankind but the influence is definitely there. Anyway Moorcock a great pulpy author worth reading, your favourite fantasy author almost certainly has read him already!
@@argbot10 My friend, you bow to no one! That’s not bad news at all. I hadn’t actually heard of Michael Moorcock so I appreciate the information. What’s he like to read?
@@cavemansam8400 He’s different from your post Tolkien writers, if that is what you are used to (Wheel of Time, Game of Thrones etc). That’s certainly what I was exposed to for most of my life anyway. His work is probably best filed under ‘Sword and Sorcery’ and so is closer to Conan, A Princess of Mars, Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser, etc. His prose is fairly lean and pacey. He doesn’t do big florid descriptions and he largely eschews what most people would call ‘world building’ today. He tells you what you need to know, but doesn’t trouble with any of the minutiae of the world his characters inhabit unless it serves the story, or tone in some more immediate way.
Moorcock’s heroes inhabit worlds that are thoroughly mythic and slightly unreal. His heroes are all epic and doomed to a man, each one striving to bring balance between order and chaos. While he went for a very different approach to Tolkien, Moorcock also had a good eye for the genre conventions of epic in Greek and Norse mythology, and peppered his own work with the tropes that make these ancient myths so vibrant. Magic is big, loud and in your face. Monsters and Gods are weird and unique. Demons are summoned and spells unleashed in combat at a moments notice. Lots of action sequences with heroes wielding enchanted weapons. It won't take long to notice the influence on fantasy games like Warhammer and D&D.
His books are pretty short (which is a virtue in my opinion) and for the most part come in at under 200 pages. He’s got a story to tell and he wastes no time in telling it. His most famous works were often written for fantasy magazines of the 60s and 70s so were cranked out pretty fast, but despite the odd moment here and there the books read very well today.
I would recommend ‘The Knight of Swords’ the first of the Corum books, which are divided into two separate trilogies. They are all about fighting chaos and some of the imagery is very evocative of Warhammer. There is also the first Elric book ‘Elric of Melnibone’ though it serves more as an introduction, and you get a better sense of the character (and the Warhammer influence) in later books where he is more enthralled to his demonic sword Stormbringer. So you could start it later with ‘Weird of the White Wolf’ if you wanted a more representative example of the effect it had on the genre. Elric is a great moody goth anti-hero and once you read it you will spot his shadow EVERYWHERE in fantasy stories that have come out since.
I always wanted to get into the Warhammer scene, but the models and ideas that I find online to print are much more my style and it combines more of my hobbies
Oooh, My next video after this one will be right up your alley!
Time to join One Page Rules
I own a resin printer now, and make my own 3D models (self taught BTW). I have been downloading amateur and free rules for games, and will make my own game pieces. I already have some Star Trek style ships on hex bases, and am making my own designed space battleships and cruisers and such for a ship combat game I will play soon.
It is the way forward.
Fdm is perfect for terrain i have done amazing stuff, i have had several resin printers and while nice the chemicals and such have caused health problems, ( and yes i had a very full set up with vents and such ) i think SLS printing will be the furture once the price drops to a level where everyone can afford it, no supports no chemicals and perfect printed models , win win really
I'd love to see more open contests where all models are allowed or even model making competition itself where everyone can compete.
Great vid, as always. I got into this hobby (mini painting) when I got an Anycubic resin printer. 3 upgrades later, I'm on the Saturn 3 Ultra (with a PFA FEP instead of the ACF thanks to you) with both a HDD of shame, and a pile of printed shame in various stages of being painted. Some naked, others in various stages of being painted. One correction, Loot Studios is now using a points based reward system instead of the 3-6-12 month system.
I was there, got to meet you. Got to sit down with you, learn about the dry brushes and talk 3D printing. Had a great time. Btw ended up buying a P1S when I got home lol.
my mainpoint in printing is not the price but the supply of minitures that GW for example will never make.
be nice,but i see problems with 3d printing an can be very toxic and work on control heat.
Dnd scene it's amazing. I wanted a squad of 6 minis for every generics random dnd encounters (zombies, rats, goblins, etc...)... found someone selling stls that are print in place, didn't even need to support them. A few days later I've got 50 new minis that are perfect for what I need.
Loot Studios, MMF, Thangs, I get in so much trouble. This was a welcome show video.
I like the idea of a lot of the models 3D printing can give me however I don’t see how it is available to the vast majority of people setting up ventilation and stuff if you live in a apartment is not really possible I am not looking to poison myself or my neighbors.
Didn't get into 3D printing for "printing GW models on the cheap!" and I'm so glad that the market has really exploded with all kinds of creatives to pull us all away from that tired banner.
In the meantime, GW seems bent on continuing to shoot itself, and bystanders (poor Cavill), in the foot so, aside from yet another reason to shake my head at them, happy to have outgrown them.
it was great to meet you on that Thursday. I really appreciated the drybrush demo, and can't wait to try out that resin.
I agree with you. There is a huge caviat though for home users. The toxicity of the resin. If you want it to really take off we as a industry nees to do something a uur the VOCs and the toxic nature of the stuff. That still is a big part in holding people back.
Does worry me the amount of this resin sold to home users without any controls over its disposal.
@@balemoran3168this will be a major story in a few years time and will then force a knee jerk reaction restricting resin sales.
true and the fact it is so damn brittle too
after curing properly, Resin is non-toxic. But you are right with the byproducts, doesn't matter if its water-washable, the stuff you clean it with is also considered hazardous waste in most countries around the world and may not enter the drain. With alcohol, you can at least let it evaporate when it is saturated as a cleaning agent, and then just have a bit of goo to bring to the hazmat recycling place, much cheaper volume-wise (we pay by weight).
Good ventilation and a controlled temperature is a must for reproducable prints. But for both we have enclosures now that work really well (with filters). Still wouldn't print stuff in a living room, but in the attic? No problem.
Actually, printing ABS on a FDM printer gives off nastier fumes :D
@@lassemelson5668 Depends on the Resin. There have been new formulas on the market which, after curing, retain some flexibility. Explicitely made for thin prints on figures like antennae or thin gun barrels / robot legs etc... I think Siraya Tech has some in its range, other manufacturers too. Costs a bit more, but we are talking about 20-25% markup. Works fine on any printer, I have one of the first generation Photons here, and a newer 4K one.
its creaping up for sure. but until the toxicity issues of both the resin and the vapours are anything short of solved it will always be easier to just buy them from someone.
Ventilate your space like any other shop that works with, wood, metal, or plastic.
I want to get into 3D printing miniatures but man I think I'm allergic to resin or something. I have tried it a few times but even with a respirator and ventilation I still get headaches. I love FDM printing, I have two Prusa printers and a Bambu, but I just can't stand resin. Its also really messy. I keep waiting for resin that is made for people sensitive to it but no luck yet.
You know you’ve achieved legend status when people start cosplaying as you at cons 😂
Love Vince’s channel, the man is genuinely one of the best sources of painting knowledge on TH-cam.
Great video as always dude, keep up the good work. 😁❤️👍🏻
3d prining both worries me and makes me laugh. Worries me in that I fear it might make modelers lazy. But I like thinking Games workshop not being able to sell their over priced stuff anymore.
I had a 3d printer, but I sold it after a year and a half because the minis at that time looked amazing in the renders, but after printinted them, the details were very weak, too small and the whole process of reain printer is a hassle that i dislike. Maybe in the future, with bigger and better printers (like the gk two), for now I'm really happy buying physical minis. I forgot that it was really expensive to buy stl and nearly 80-90% of them never get printed. The subscription model is that way for a reason, to make you think " wow, so many models, it's a bargain " when in the end, just wanted to print 1 or 2 of the 10+ some companies give you.
3D printing will save 40k from GW we have the lore already we have the art we do not need GW anymore
Don’t forget AI to help make new stories and artwork. Even audiobooks
3D Printing is also a hobby, you're golden👍
That helmet with reflection is just freaking beyond!
Damn this event looks so fun, and the idea with different people adding a bit of paint to a single model is great, I think you should go on with it!
Also, love what you did with Marco there :D
That reflection in the marine's eyepiece is awesome!
My printer is one of the best buys I've done as a modeller, a wargamer and specially as a collector of historical and fantasy minis.
The learning curve and the extra work (cleaning mostly) is very worth it in my opinion.
Without question 3d printing is our future of the hobby; the issue is we don't have anything other than one page rules as a major miniature agnostic game. I mean they've tried, we've had a few games from Vince, Titan Forge made an "ehhh" skirmish game, loot studios has their game coming out...but no major corporation seems to want to create or promote a miniature agnostic game other than maybe Frostgrave? I have millions literal millions of STL files that I find amazing but can't really find a reason for them other than OPR or proxy models for board games.
What you really mean is there are too many gatekeeper types that won't accept playing with proxies. There is no need for a rules system to be explicitly mini agnostic, the only thing that matters in most rulebooks is that the base size and shape is correct so the rules work properly.
I would live to try going to adepticon at some point but ive been hesitant about stepping back into hobby spaces at stores and likewise ever since i ended up transitioning since I dont know what the typical reaction to that would be in these spaces. Id like to think the best but there are plenty of unfriendly places out there for me right now
Honestly I would hope that you are made to feel very welcome. I have met and spoke with numerous trans people at Adepticon, all in good spirits.
I would hope that you will find the people here care more about little plastic people than anything else.
One thing I’d love to see for 3D printing?
A primer to give out so people can learn the difference between copyright, trademark, and intellectual property.
It just seems that too many people confuse the terms and don’t know the actual legality of any of them, or that they vary based on country of residence.
I’m beyond exhausted having to explain that GW doesn’t “own” the concept of space man miniature warriors.
I’m tired of people defending the “IP” when it’s just a blatant ripoff of 80s D&D and Starship Troopers (the book, not the movie).
@@ninjamikeusmany things are a ripoff from something. If its not a straight copy you will own it and its your ”IP.” Especially if you protect it.
I want the stl sellers to step up their quality of life things.
Magnet holes in arms and torsos? Why not?
Pictures of the parts? And better naming conventions of said parts. So you know what the hell they are.
Easier scaling of things. Like selling shoulders is fine. Selling shoulders that work for power armour and scales (well and with a known %) to terminator. That is so much better.
Also some bigger models might be better off having a frame or core. And then details around it. So you can print the core faster or even in plastic. Then spend the time on the details that will show.
Would also like stls that are easier to split apart, or even having the parts separate. I mean. They have done them, and most likely have them seperate already.
I mean like a sword on a model. It looks so good. But when I buy the model then I maybe want to use that sword for something else again. And since resin isn't the easiest to work with. It would be so great if I could just print the sword. Instead of the hand holding the sword.
Oh well. Dreams from a beginner.
I don't think you can really expect the stl seller to do that, that would for me have to be part of the fairly basic kitbash and modification skills of the purchaser. As its basically impossible to actually know all the elements that go into those decisions.
I can put a hole for a magnet in, but it doesn't do you any good if the magnet required isn't easy to obtain for you - and as there are many sizes, shapes and compositions of magnet even if you get one that fits nicely it doesn't mean it will actually be strong enough. And the STL maker can't even know it will be strong enough if they sell the magnets too, as there are many formulations of resin and some are much denser or slipperier than others so won't hold the position. And scaling gets even worse in general as there are just too many potential places you may wish to put my design (though perhaps 40K's giant shoulder pads are consistent enough across every model that it is that easy).
Learning to 3D model is also free with software like blender and tutorials on youtube. The barrier to entry is very low.
There are millions of 3D models on the internet you can download as a base and then just modify them in blender until they match what you envisioned.
And you don't have to worry about topology, rigging, animation, all the complicated stuff that game devs and VFX artists have to worry about. As soon as you're done sculpting and it looks nice it's done.
I still like the model kits mainly for the nostalgia but I enjoy 3D printing so much more. I love the freedom I have with the hobby. I dont have to worry about using green stuff and being a master chad sculptor to have a cool model or scenery or whatever.
Great uplifting video but why would 3D printing take over the TT indudustry when 2D printing didn't books? Also if GW can't get 3D printed models to print to their factiry level how can a home printer? And even if FDM printing becomes GW factory good how can it be cheaper and easier then factiry?
resin printers dude, they are at the same level of detail, i own some at insane 8k and 12k resolution and no one can say the difference...
@@Manlio.Cipullothey are still relatively difficult to use, have a learning curve to climb to get good results and many people do not have the space/ventilation in their home to do resin printing safely.
@@rrwholloway i was on the same boat before i started... But now we have so many improvements that Is very Easy to get on board.
I think your wrong, 3D printing is its own niche hobby. GW's primary customer bases are not interested in it. 1) Adults buying for their children will never consider the toxic chemicals and hassles involved. 2) Oldhammer dudes have disposable income and the convenience and quality of the original will always trump a copy/proxy. 3) Students largely dont have the space and facilities to set up a resin printer.
Apart from the demographic that considers it a cool hobby in itself, the 3D printer demographic seems to be cheapskates and "f**k GW" edgelords, hardly a demographic that GW needs to worry about. Also you need to consider the costs of the printer, materials, failed attempts, learning, etc. So you have to want a huge army before any cost savings are made, so that also rules out the casual player from considering 3D printing.
1. Sounds like these adults never made anything in their life, so what can they possibly teach their children?
2. Yup those guys can just pay a 3d pri ting farm and painters to make better products.
3. Then they don't have room for a real 40k army
4. I'm not a cheepcake, but I would gladly sell miniatures just to show the incompetence of logistics and management at GWS to not be able to out compete me in Pricing
I recently acquired a resin 3D printer, and I'm thrilled about the creative possibilities it offers. Instead of being constrained by the offerings of major gaming outlets like GW miniatures, I'm excited to explore our own designs and bring them to life. I believe that as technology evolves, companies in the industry will need to adapt their business models, perhaps by releasing STL files, to remain relevant and competitive in this modern era.
I guess, we'll see. I suppose it;s exciting to see such a change in technology
I bought anycubic 6ks and 5kg of resin, 2kg resin was enough to print around 4k points of high elves for TOW
At GW prices I wouldnt get anywhere close to that
Plus the £300 for the printer and cleaning station. And PPE. And I say that as someone who 3d prints🤷♂️
but 4k+ points of an army is pointless for most people, so they will never make any cost savings.
Went there this year and struggled to not buy models. I did go home and buy a 3d printer and began my long fall down the rabbit hole. Can't wait to see what they have next year!
As someone who does minis on cults, my mini factory etc it is the best time to be a consumer and probably the worst to be a creator. The STL market is a race to the bottom in a pricing war that got out of control. But yeah 3d printing is still amazing because even if you are a small creator like myself you are still able to put out your creations out there something that was impossible to imagine just three or four years ago
Are you saying that Napster for STls and PWYW options are inevitable?
@christopherd.winnan8701 they are available on Etsy already. Gigabytes of files for a couple dollars, I don't buy them because this kills organic support for the 3d printing space.
It was great meeting you at AdeptiCon!!
Was super fun to say hi to you! I was also thinking on the quantity of 3d printing things at the convention.
That vincy v cosplay was absolutely spot on!!!
I have always thought that there are so many miniatures that looks so go they deserve to be larger statue models that can be painted as display statues. There are so many new cool looking models out there I would love as display statue style models that I want to paint which I would be happy to pay for since I do not have a 3d printer
I've been printing since the beginning of the Pandemic and I can honestly say that the sculpts and resolution of 3d printing now is far far beyond what many companies offer.
What we're going to see is a shift from product focus to lore, IP, and system focus. You're already seeing this with the rise again of the old Specialist Games and 100% print and play games like Full Spectrum Dominance.
This is the future. It's good. It's putting fun back in your hands and not in that of the... ahem, shareholders.
My wife paints. I appreciate figures too much to torture them with my poor abilities. But it's good to see someone recognizing how many options you get from 3d printing. It wasn't until I got a resin printer - which my wife surprised me with at Christmas 16 months ago so I could print board game figures for her to paint - that I realized JUST how great the models can be. It's very difficult to print a good figure on FDM, even on my best printer. I mean, before I had resin, even that idea was amazing. I could download a free STL. Cut it and move it around in a simple cad program like Tinkercad, and print out what I wanted. But resin starts to look like injection molded stuff. And you can't personalize injecting molding. My oldest daughter and her friends play D&D regularly and I had already figured out how to scan in their heads (second life for Kinect scanner) and put them on D&D figures. But the models are SO much better with resin than I could do before. I continue to be surprised at the level of detail I get. Thanks for promoting the 3D hobby/avocation to more people.
Our flats here are too small to have 3d printers safely. But on the flip side there is A LOT 3d print/recast farms ones with 10-20 machines running non stop. Tgey produce parts and models for the western customer, so the price is still high for the regular buyer here. The models do look great.
This was an awesome video, as an artist who has not been illustrating for years, 3D printing is triggering my curiosity as a new hobby
I want to have a heygears like printer that has the cost of a gktwo and that can use third party resin. Thats the dream !
well... the poorhammer guys got me into buying the bold titanium white which indead has me wanting for the whole range (besides the metalic, but luckily thats a whole extra box on it's own)
Hate to tell you but I bought their metallics a while ago and they're absolutely fantastic! Well worth it if you wanted to try some new ones
@@TomPaintsMinis that's great for you, but i hate TMM's in general. especially when i have hit the highlight placement on the rest just prefect and than comes TMM in its whole glitteryness and just sparkles and shines from zhe wrong angles... naw, don't like it.
@@Driz7ziahs Ah fairs fair. I tried NMM and didn't like the process. Do need to go back to it at some point but for now I'll stick to putting TMM on and knocking them back in places with washes
Are there any shows similar to this in the UK? I'm used to going to wargaming shows like Partizan, but this looks to be next level as far as painting figures is concerned.
Since The Old World was announced I've been printing my entire Orc and Goblin Army from Avatars of War and couldn't be happier where the money is going. Prints are coming out beautiful, look fresh and unique compared to the old scupts from GW. Plus this frees up funds for GW sculpts that have no good pre-supported proxy stls for... like the entire AOS line which is difficult to proxy effectively because of how gorgeous the actual GW sculpts are.
the two games that got me most hyped were:
-ARSENAL (titanfall-adjacent wargame)
-HOBGOBLIN (rank and flank game)
and both of them? Miniatures agnostic.
I do feel like overall it's not a question of if GW officially embraces 3D printing but when even if it takes a decade or two. I would love them to release an online 3d model in a similar vein to Hero Forge or Eldritch foundry with their IP and I do feel a lot of players would find creating their own custom models and downloading the STL find to be addicting.
Warhammer is great for box set of 10 or 20 models. They're reasonable priced. But their big and special figures are like 150 or 200 bucks. That's ridiculous. I'll for sure get into 3D printed stuff when I'm trying to build up my collection of large beasts and special characters
Anyone got a source for the barbarian couple model at 6:30?
Or that demon crouching over a victim, unpainted, at the beginning!
Don't know the file but art style reminds me of frank frezzeta.
3d printing is about to go boom due to a number of people going “I don’t want to give Games Workshop my money.”
No, its really not. If you think so, you don't know who GW mainly sells to.
@@nick1635 I’m not counting how many people are staying. I’m counting how many people are leaving.
Yea!
Figure prices have gotten ridiculous.
The choice one has in buying an stl is huge now, however what I do not want to see is when an stl publisher gets greedy and start trying to push special or fomo stl models. I actually avoid buying from companies that sell their models exclusively through a subscription - I'd prefer to pick the model I want instead of being lumbered with bundled models I have no interest in.
I support the 3d printing and resin printing of figures. Im more into painting them up than playing.
Running over a series of conventions is a superb idea!
I love the idea of 3D overtaking the market and no is to blame but Game workshop and other overcharging company for literal plastic.
I disagree that Games Workshop are to "blame" , though I understand the pricing argument. but Wargaming has been around far longer than GW....
Pleasure to meet you mate!
Loot subscription is an absolute no brainer for anyone into 3d printing, painting and just the models. Great video as always )O(
omg, so great ! Where does the incredible couple miniatures at 12.24 come from ??? The diorama is astonishing ! And the one at 12.40 ?? omg ^^
OK, at 12.24, it is called Suzerain of Desire, from Cast'n Play
I like that the 3d printing space is moving away from "Rabble Rabble, F' GW, gonna print everything for cheap". Still common enough that its hard to find compatible conversion parts due to the word jumbles people use to avoid IP searches. Its definitely a boon for people who just want to paint cool stuff, since it makes finding interesting models or busts far more accessible.
I've never really been a fan of exact copies, or slavishly close legally distinct proxies of GW models. I'm not really a super-fan of GW, either, though. Their models are okay. They're iconic, they're well sculpted, they look good on the table, but, regardless of their quality, just as a function of their ubiquity, GW's models are "mid". They are the standard, the average. Worse exist in the market, but also you can do far far better. My savage orc warboss was a CMON mini, back when I was playing Fantasy, because I thought it looked way cooler than anything GW made. These days, there is so much variety out there in the 3D printing space that printing out some bog standard space marines just shows a lack of imagination. If you have a 3D printer, you *literally* have a machine that can make anything imagined by anyone with sufficient skill to model it.
I know GW sanctioned events aren't on board with printing, and fair enough, they make their money from the minis they keep you buying every time they refresh the line, but also, GW don't *own* the wargaming world.
It will take a new and unique approach to the business model for selling wargames for 3d printing to be a major player. At least in the US where playing space is generally funded through retail sales.
Maybe a licensing agreement between retailers and SSTL/rules producers (game companies) where a retail outlet does the printing.
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If i ever do get back into minis, everything will be 3D printed... Im never going to painstakingly file down metal minis or have to use pins ever again. Plastic and magnets 100%
If you are in this hobby and are not going anywhere there is absolutely no reason NOT to have a 3d printer. Also IMO the only argument against it in general is "i cant be bothered". You can print entire army in 10mm in one evening, you can have beautiful proxies of outdated or out of print models, you can customise your armies, get into games or genres you would never get into if you would have to buy into them - the possibilities are endless
I'm planning on buying my own 3D printer to print my own mini models for Warhammer 40k.
Especially because of what GW did to the Adeptus Custodes.
Please follow @ThePaintingPhase channel next week. We will be discussing this exact topic.
I swear I can smell it through the internet. LOL
Somebody please come up with a miniature war game in a distant distopic future that is open source and entirely 3d printed, with maybe even smart constracts for governance, I am too lazy and stupid
Fun video. Well, it appears that there will be more space next year and I will have no excuse to not be there as Adepticon is moving to Milwaukee, WI (my hometown) next year.
Good day. Do you know which company makes the figure that appears at 03:13? Thank you for your time and attention.
As an automotive now mini builder/painter I am in love with where the hobbies are going. 3D printing is making th building of anything now possible. I am glad to be around for such a time.
I wonder how big Historicon is compared with this convention, as it has a big focus on figure gaming - mainly historical. The site says 2334 attendee for 2023. I have heard claims of up to 5,000 back in the 1990's.
I think 3d printing will be the main product for toys in 3more years and probably for bikes/scooters etc in 5years and some form of transport in less than 10yrs.🤷🏻♂️
The problem is that 40k miniatures are about 500% too expensive
Yep, I can se ethe expense being an issue
100% it is.
That Mk10 Sons of Horus helmet done up with dry brushing looks outstanding. I would actually like to try some Artist Opus style dry brushing after watching this. Is that helmet file available for purchase?
who made the gargoyle chocking out the human? I want that stl.
First, action the model for charity. than preorganize the idea so its already going before you set foot in the building.
What id like to see is 3d painted models doing something just like golden demon with any model allowed as along as it was 3d printed. also have a competition where you just have the best printed. no paint. with the name of the resin and the printer used. lets actually show off the model before we go in and hide the mistakes.
after that, its just me running around getting pictures with those TH-camrs I like and follow. Id also like to see Leif from devs and dice. we need to get that man in here for some mordheim.
I skipped through the video to find that model for you but not sure which you mean. What time is it shown
ive started finally printing mini's (sticking with pre-supported files for now!), and im just blown away by them, i absolutely think the next few years are going to be both A)REALLY exciting growth of 3d printed wargaming, and B) GW doing every it can to stifle anything that comes close to "infringing"
3d printing is the scum bag way. You are killing the game. Not helping it.
3d printing will continue to grow BUT due to the various complexities with the process it wont overtake retail sales. Love your videos !
I would say generally you are correct, however the more people who can 3d print among a group of friends, the more they may print for their group. I print minis for friends all the time. So there is that to consider.
It's basically the same as casual console gamers Vs PC gaming tech enthusiasts.
The people who buy all the latest £10k tech every year for their gaming rig are a tiny minority. Even though I'm a PC gamer I'm still using an Nvidia 980ti, a 10 year old graphics card.
The vast majority of gamers are on mobile or consoles because it's cheap and easy. The casual gaming market is bigger and it's never going away.
@chickenmadness1732 No it's basically the same thing as some people pay for games and some people pirate them. The more pirates there are, the more the games will cost for honest people.
The process continues to become much more streamlined. I barely ever have to mess with my Elegoo and I’ve printed nearly three full army lines.
@@carysage this is, quite simply, industry propaganda. Also you do realize GW price markup is like 500%, right? It’s nothing but greed fueling their prices. They’re printing plastic moulds, for goodness sake.
Just like video stores, miniature makers will fade into obscurity once the digital solutions come available to the average gamer.
Would love to start 3d printing. Haven't touched 40k in years because of how insanely expensive it is. I have no idea where to even begin with 3d printing.
Start with a printer with a 6 inch display, the smaller the printer the easier the cleanup and less waste, 4k and 8k printers will give you model quality prints, don't really on basic resins for 40k minitures, get a ABS like resin or flexible resin.
I hope GW never goes away. But my hope is for them to evolve. Maybe they can go full STL subscription model like Loot Studios, they can just sell books and cards maybe? I want the IP to get bigger and greater, pumping movies, series, books, graphic novel, comics, and audio books, (and more boardgames maybe?) - I don't get all the hate they get. It is like hating your dad for teaching you the art of cooking, just because instant meals exists.
GW is a Miniatures company.
The books, the rules, everything else is just to promote and sell the miniatures.
As to the hate, most of it is over bad rules (unbalanced, poorly written) and prices for the miniatures.
GW in the 90s made fairly balanced rules and their prices were very competitive in the market.
Future GW: it all depends on what the stockholders want and how the stockholders can get the best return on their investment (stocks).
I tried painting a 5 inch Minion once with disastrous results so it blows me away someone can paint with such detail shown here.
Ha! I’ve been wondering where that clip of me in my Bad Moon armor was going to turn up. 😂
Thanks so much for doing that for me!
Can you tell us which one is the best resin 3d printer, Uniformation vs Heygears?
3d printing is not just about "cheap minis" for GW games though that's a big plus.. its about getting off the GW hamster wheel, moving away from its boring flavor of the month pay to win meta, its anti consumer corperate policy, its political agenda..There are numerous reasons why I no longer buy much from them..
I watch Sam Lenz, Ninjon, Vince, Scott, Goober…list goes on. I watch all their Adepticon Content. And now yours lol.
I don't think it's the start of MP3s... It's the start of Electronic Music.
Who painted the mini in the thumbnail?
You are missing the Loots Cap and Socks!! Awesome video, congrats!
I have the hat, socks and t-shirt - that's for a future video...
He’s just going to only wear the hat & socks, in that video. So be careful what you wish for - Geoff The Painting Phase
@@GeoffSavory I'm honestly looking for somewhere that makes custom pants so I can do this joke.
Ok, so where do I get the STL for that oversized Marine helmet? I have a mighty need to print some-
I haven't spoken to anyone that says "meh" about 3d printed armies and proxies. Maybe we aren't thinking about the same sculpts because, maybe you don't notice them in the first place?
The attitude is not towards the sculpts. I just meant that instead of a devices community with people arguing for and against 3D printing. Nobody cares (mostly) so do what you choose to do.
0:06 Isn't just that future, but the future in general starting right now?