@@MysteriousRival I have tried Manjaro, MX linux, Mint and finally Debian. Debian 12 seems the one can hook up my printer, bluetooth, network without much configuration. Also it is fast and responsive. This is finally the Linux distro I feel comfortable and reliable. Since then I have learn to build my PXE / Nginx / Samba server which bring me so much convenience and value. I have long time do not boot up my Windows and I am confident Debian can finally replace Windows as my new home.
@@MysteriousRival Ubuntu is based on Debian isn't it? What this means is they should have similar experiences. Here are my considerations for if I like something. Is it easy to install, do I like the DE, can I do most everything via the GUI, do I have all the options I need to install the software I want, how many errors do I get. What this means is I can ask someone about a distro and their answer might sound good but my experience could be very different. From my different conversations with linux users, it's obvious that MY requirements for liking a distro excludes Arch completely. Arch tends to require a better knowledge of linux in general including the command line. I would suggest that YOU test out different distros and see what you like. If you aren't familiar with the different DEs, experiment with them first. What I noticed on THIS version of Debian is it comes with a few DEs and I personally like MATE, but ONLY when it has the original Gnome 2 interface which has a top and bottom bar and open apps show on the bottom bar. It's very fast and easy for me to bounce between many apps and instances of apps with that DE. From what I saw from the display capture is this version of MATE is exactly what I like. Debian 12 seems like a good place to start experimenting. If you're like many people the DE is the bigger factor on liking a distro. Give it a shot and play around. One last point. An OS comes with different tools for doing different things. For instance Ubuntu MATE comes with the Caja file explorer. I like Caja for some things but not others. Luckily it's very easy to install a different file explorer so I have both Caja and Thunar installed. If certain functionality or tools in the distro are things you don't like, do the research to see what exists. These are all simple searches. Thunar also comes with a bonus bulk rename tool. It's something I use from time to time so that was a big plus. And that's the great part about linux.
That's very clear, thank you. Just one suggestion: the Debian website is not designed to be easy to navigate, and it might be helpful to provide a guide to it--the sort of nice, calm, clear guidance you do so well.
Suggestion for a future video: I have heard multiple opinions about the "right" way to install Linux, specifically using different partitions. For example, one school of thought is to use separate partitions for the OS, swap space, home folder, etc. I'd love to hear your take on it!
I had a problem related to this specific thing when installing Ubuntu MATE 22.04 LTS. After installing MATE the system wouldn't even boot. I was able to see the disk structure when I went to reinstall, and there was a single partition. I then read about the different partitions that "should" exist after an Ubuntu install and of course there are a few and they have their specific purposes. After setting the partitions manually and reinstalling, the system would come up. One thing I noticed during his install is he simply selected the disk, and the installer was showing multiple partitions as a result of doing an install. There wasn't a way to change this unless you do manual. So the default that was showing on his system with an NVMe disk was 4 partitions (13:35) So one way or another you're probably setting up multiple partitions. I would say if you read about the distro and setting up partitions when doing the install, you're probably better off doing this manually because the defaults might not be ideal for your use cases. If I were to go back and redo that MATE install I'd probably make the partition for root larger because I install a lot of apps and because it's NVMe you never want any partition to be almost full. I think I prefer the user space on the disk being separate from root, so if given the options when setting up partitions I'll probably always do that.
Can't choose between Fedora, PopOs and Debian for a 10years old laptop (with Dual gpu) for productivity!!! We use it for Cloud db management, large text files and calendars. Send Help 😢
Sounds like you're seeking an OS for legitimate productivity, and that makes this an easy question to answer. Unless you can name a deal-breaking reason why you shouldn't, use Debian Bookworm (stable). It's sensational, if perhaps just the *tiniest* bit more fussy to set up and get going for *most* use cases. With PopOS and Fedora, you'll update (or be compelled to update) the system orders of magnitude more regularly (or at least you'll download orders of magnitude more "stuff" over time). In any case, you'll be sure to require a reboot or similar "interference" orders of magnitude more often with PopOS and Fedora. Note: I do not hate PopOS or Fedora, and I have a total of a few years' use with either of them as proper, daily driver systems (read: they're both superb). But if you want to get stuff done and aren't trying to chase the latest, shiniest, gamer-rig/graphics card nonsense, you want Debian stable, Debian stable, Debian stable, Debian stable (and Gnome is a very nice pairing, I might add...just this guy's opinion).
@@djmcwill1010 thank you. Really appreciated your opinion. The thing is that I had compatibility issues with the Nvidia gpu and touchpad so I had been distro hopping for a while (terrible experience, man). I have no time for Gaming. I just need a solid distro for congresses, huge scientific meetings, conventions and work presentations. That's it.
@@NurseJoeI’m certainly not the one to speak about most discrete graphics woes, but your mention of such issues leads me to think maybe, just maybe, PopOS or Fedora may also be excellent choices as they give the gift of much more recent kernels and, thusly, potentially superior hardware support. But first, what’s the trackpad struggle? With modern Linux distros on older gear, I often see users confused with varying behaviors related to Wayland vs X11 (save when running X with touchegg +touche, which, on the Gnome side anyway, seems to make everyone smile; I believe touchegg is in default installs of many popular, Debian-based, desktop distros).
I just did a live install today (late October) and it was COMPLETELY different than what your video shows. I chose the Cinnamon live install (debian-live-12.2.0-amd64-cinnamon.iso), and it never asked me to enter a password like "live". It was just a very simplified version of the Calamares installer, just asked very few questions, mainly about language, location, and keyboard, and the rest was all automated. Maybe, they made it different, depending on the DE you choose? Your example was with Gnome; try it with Cinnamon and you will see what I mean. They really "dumbed down" the Cinnamon install; I don't think even LMDE would be any easier.
I installed debian 12 using kde live iso, i had a problem with some raspberry files while updating maybe some kind of problem in the iso, i reinstall the system (with some work) to fix the problem, and it's working alongside windows so great, and if i'm not using macos, i use debian
brother , currently my live iso kde is getting downloaded.. and yep everything is ready the usb stick new ssd ... any tips (its first time bare metal install)up until now all i have doe is virtual machine installs (about 40 of em with arch manjaro, ubuntu , kali , mint and yep i was a distro hopper )
Hi I installed Devuan on an old laptop, I did some tests to have a minimal system, I used many times the command --no-install-recommends to not install dbus and elogind. I use jwn and xfe file manager.
This video is very timely. I want to ditch windows and switch to Linux and would like to start with Debian. I'm looking to get a new laptop to install Debian 12.... Lenovo ThinkPad E14 Gen 5 AMD Ryzen 5 7530U. Can anyone tell me if this machine/processor should work (or if there's any way for me to find out before I purchase this machine)?
Should? Yes How to test? Find some video's on live USB installers or some of the other options. You can boot off of one of these and get a feel for what will and wont work. If you want a better idea you can ... Dual Boot [not recommended] Multi Boot (second hdd/ssd with a full disk install and change boot order in BIOS) [recommended] install on a VM [easy, no extra cost if your computer can handle it, but worst representation of final performance]
@@jojobobbubble5688 Thank you so much for this. I really appreciate it. I decided to go ahead and buy the laptop. I also purchased a 256GB SSD for $25 from Amazon during the Prime Day sale today. My plan is to change the SSD over to the 256GB drive and install Debian. Then, if it works, I'll put the 1TB drive back in and reinstall. Once again, many thanks for your help. 🙌
@@jojobobbubble5688 Actually, what you're recommending is even better. The laptop I've ordered has two SSD slots (2 X M2 2280, 1 X M2 2242). If I buy another SSD of the M2 2242 variety I can then multiboot when the BIOS starts. Then I could have two totally different operating system, which will be awesome. Thank you very much. 🙏
and end of installation it ask what enviroment and what distro(theme). thats what linux need one installation media. it never win window unless windows ruin it with ads and monthjly fee or cloud
Every linux video I have seen, all show installation is successful but an installation can be called 'SUCCESSFUL' only then when all the device drivers are installed correctly and nobody shows that. The main problem which nobody shows is the problem with the graphics driver. Maximum linux distributions use the 'NOUVEAU' driver when it comes to Nvidia and it looks very good, absolutely normal. But when the user checks the graphics card utilisation, it shows idle. Without the proper driver installed, I don’t count it as 'SUCCESSFUL'. Yes, Jay @Learn Linux TV, this video is wonderful on how we can install Debian 12 and gave a like also and probably will subscribe after checking your channel, but I cannot call this installation 'SUCCESSFUL'. Please make a 'SUCCESSFUL' Debian 12 installation video in a machine with a Nvidia graphics card (older would be better, like GT730, GT710 etc.), if possible. Then we will consider it as a serious alternative to Windows and to leave Windows for good.
As curious I am for what you say about your longterm use of Debian stable, this trial is also kind of "boring", in the sense, that right now, Debian stable and all its packages are very new compared to any distro based on Ubuntu LTS. It would become more interesting at the end of a Debian versions end of life time. Also I would be even more curious about a longterm Debian Testing trial and a video about that, since it seems actually a really good option as a desktop OS. After all, you will never again have to deal with installing a new version, just like any rolling release distro, while still having the APT package manager and all the Debian base, and it is probably more stable as Arch while being as up to date as Fedora. But that is just what I can say about it... I would be curious what a Linux expert thinks about Debian Testing.
All distro decisions are compromises. Concerning the testing branch, an often overlooked consideration (one which could prove vital for a certain subset of users) is as follows (pulled directly from the Debian wiki): “Compared to stable and unstable, next-stable testing has the worst security update speed. Don't prefer testing if security is a concern.”
@@djmcwill1010 That is good to know. But it raises the question, why this is? Maybe it is also there in the Wiki. But another question is, maybe connected to the first one, how secure is Debian testing compared to, let's say, Fedora?
I Can't Understand Why Debian 12 uses resources when idle, where system temperature of Windows 10 LTSC (debloated) is lower than Debian 12 by 3~4 celcius degree when idle. Is there any information collecting or using my system in background?
34 GB of swap??? is this right? I have 16 GB of Ram and calamares creates 16 GB of swap....I don't understand why so much swap if we have a lot of Ram? Best wishes and thanks for the vdeo...
Uggghhhh. Installed it. Wiped it out 5 minutes later because I could already see this is command line for many things built into Ubuntu MATE, or a lot of time with me figuring out the GUI tools I need to add to it, and if I have to do that might as well keep Ubuntu MATE which MOSTLY comes ready for me to use and I only have to do about 15 things to it, not 30 things. Ubuntu MATE is almost completely GUI. I guess I didn't realize just how handy Ubuntu MATE is for a Windows user?
I have installed Debian 12 since your last video on net install version and is using now. It is supreme and is my only daily OS.
Same here
How are you liking it vs arch, Ubuntu, etc?
@@MysteriousRival I have tried Manjaro, MX linux, Mint and finally Debian. Debian 12 seems the one can hook up my printer, bluetooth, network without much configuration. Also it is fast and responsive. This is finally the Linux distro I feel comfortable and reliable.
Since then I have learn to build my PXE / Nginx / Samba server which bring me so much convenience and value.
I have long time do not boot up my Windows and I am confident Debian can finally replace Windows as my new home.
@@MysteriousRival Ubuntu is based on Debian isn't it? What this means is they should have similar experiences.
Here are my considerations for if I like something. Is it easy to install, do I like the DE, can I do most everything via the GUI, do I have all the options I need to install the software I want, how many errors do I get.
What this means is I can ask someone about a distro and their answer might sound good but my experience could be very different.
From my different conversations with linux users, it's obvious that MY requirements for liking a distro excludes Arch completely. Arch tends to require a better knowledge of linux in general including the command line.
I would suggest that YOU test out different distros and see what you like. If you aren't familiar with the different DEs, experiment with them first. What I noticed on THIS version of Debian is it comes with a few DEs and I personally like MATE, but ONLY when it has the original Gnome 2 interface which has a top and bottom bar and open apps show on the bottom bar. It's very fast and easy for me to bounce between many apps and instances of apps with that DE. From what I saw from the display capture is this version of MATE is exactly what I like.
Debian 12 seems like a good place to start experimenting. If you're like many people the DE is the bigger factor on liking a distro. Give it a shot and play around.
One last point. An OS comes with different tools for doing different things. For instance Ubuntu MATE comes with the Caja file explorer. I like Caja for some things but not others. Luckily it's very easy to install a different file explorer so I have both Caja and Thunar installed. If certain functionality or tools in the distro are things you don't like, do the research to see what exists. These are all simple searches. Thunar also comes with a bonus bulk rename tool. It's something I use from time to time so that was a big plus. And that's the great part about linux.
That's very clear, thank you. Just one suggestion: the Debian website is not designed to be easy to navigate, and it might be helpful to provide a guide to it--the sort of nice, calm, clear guidance you do so well.
so well said..
I've enjoyed watching and learning from your content. Thank you for your work.
You are a genious in keeping things simple and secure. Great and easy to follow instructions.
Wow! You made this video on my birthday!
Suggestion for a future video: I have heard multiple opinions about the "right" way to install Linux, specifically using different partitions. For example, one school of thought is to use separate partitions for the OS, swap space, home folder, etc. I'd love to hear your take on it!
I had a problem related to this specific thing when installing Ubuntu MATE 22.04 LTS. After installing MATE the system wouldn't even boot. I was able to see the disk structure when I went to reinstall, and there was a single partition. I then read about the different partitions that "should" exist after an Ubuntu install and of course there are a few and they have their specific purposes. After setting the partitions manually and reinstalling, the system would come up.
One thing I noticed during his install is he simply selected the disk, and the installer was showing multiple partitions as a result of doing an install. There wasn't a way to change this unless you do manual. So the default that was showing on his system with an NVMe disk was 4 partitions (13:35)
So one way or another you're probably setting up multiple partitions. I would say if you read about the distro and setting up partitions when doing the install, you're probably better off doing this manually because the defaults might not be ideal for your use cases. If I were to go back and redo that MATE install I'd probably make the partition for root larger because I install a lot of apps and because it's NVMe you never want any partition to be almost full.
I think I prefer the user space on the disk being separate from root, so if given the options when setting up partitions I'll probably always do that.
Can't choose between Fedora, PopOs and Debian for a 10years old laptop (with Dual gpu) for productivity!!! We use it for Cloud db management, large text files and calendars. Send Help 😢
Sounds like you're seeking an OS for legitimate productivity, and that makes this an easy question to answer. Unless you can name a deal-breaking reason why you shouldn't, use Debian Bookworm (stable). It's sensational, if perhaps just the *tiniest* bit more fussy to set up and get going for *most* use cases. With PopOS and Fedora, you'll update (or be compelled to update) the system orders of magnitude more regularly (or at least you'll download orders of magnitude more "stuff" over time). In any case, you'll be sure to require a reboot or similar "interference" orders of magnitude more often with PopOS and Fedora. Note: I do not hate PopOS or Fedora, and I have a total of a few years' use with either of them as proper, daily driver systems (read: they're both superb). But if you want to get stuff done and aren't trying to chase the latest, shiniest, gamer-rig/graphics card nonsense, you want Debian stable, Debian stable, Debian stable, Debian stable (and Gnome is a very nice pairing, I might add...just this guy's opinion).
@@djmcwill1010 thank you. Really appreciated your opinion. The thing is that I had compatibility issues with the Nvidia gpu and touchpad so I had been distro hopping for a while (terrible experience, man). I have no time for Gaming. I just need a solid distro for congresses, huge scientific meetings, conventions and work presentations. That's it.
@@NurseJoeI’m certainly not the one to speak about most discrete graphics woes, but your mention of such issues leads me to think maybe, just maybe, PopOS or Fedora may also be excellent choices as they give the gift of much more recent kernels and, thusly, potentially superior hardware support. But first, what’s the trackpad struggle? With modern Linux distros on older gear, I often see users confused with varying behaviors related to Wayland vs X11 (save when running X with touchegg +touche, which, on the Gnome side anyway, seems to make everyone smile; I believe touchegg is in default installs of many popular, Debian-based, desktop distros).
Great information thanks. Maybe next time..in Debian video. I would love to see howto live install with /home at a different partition or hard drive.
Cool guide. Thank you!
Please update us with your experiment (Snap free Ubuntu 22.04) project.
Thank you so very much for explaining so simply.
I just did a live install today (late October) and it was COMPLETELY different than what your video shows. I chose the Cinnamon live install (debian-live-12.2.0-amd64-cinnamon.iso), and it never asked me to enter a password like "live". It was just a very simplified version of the Calamares installer, just asked very few questions, mainly about language, location, and keyboard, and the rest was all automated.
Maybe, they made it different, depending on the DE you choose? Your example was with Gnome; try it with Cinnamon and you will see what I mean. They really "dumbed down" the Cinnamon install; I don't think even LMDE would be any easier.
I've always wanted to know what that "replace a partitions" option does.
When will we get nala, the latest front-end for apt?
I installed debian 12 using kde live iso, i had a problem with some raspberry files while updating maybe some kind of problem in the iso, i reinstall the system (with some work) to fix the problem, and it's working alongside windows so great, and if i'm not using macos, i use debian
There was a bug in the original iso. Its been fixed since then
@@LearnLinuxTV yes, it was, well it's works great, debian kde do gives me what i need
brother , currently my live iso kde is getting downloaded.. and yep everything is ready the usb stick new ssd ... any tips (its first time bare metal install)up until now all i have doe is virtual machine installs (about 40 of em with arch manjaro, ubuntu , kali , mint and yep i was a distro hopper )
Thank you man now I can install debian😅
trying to install CubicSDR on Debian 12, do you have a video for that ?
Thank you for your video
What is the Standard iso? I see that on the page.
Sir Do you have CentOS Guide or it is similar to Bebian so I can use same guide
thanks ❤
how make minimal/base installation like ubuntu in debian?
How can I add desktop icons to Desktop
Does trim work without any setup ?
Hi I installed Devuan on an old laptop, I did some tests to have a minimal system, I used many times the command --no-install-recommends to not install dbus and elogind. I use jwn and xfe file manager.
This video is very timely. I want to ditch windows and switch to Linux and would like to start with Debian. I'm looking to get a new laptop to install Debian 12.... Lenovo ThinkPad E14 Gen 5 AMD Ryzen 5 7530U. Can anyone tell me if this machine/processor should work (or if there's any way for me to find out before I purchase this machine)?
Thank you. Subscribed. 👍
Should? Yes
How to test? Find some video's on live USB installers or some of the other options. You can boot off of one of these and get a feel for what will and wont work. If you want a better idea you can ...
Dual Boot [not recommended]
Multi Boot (second hdd/ssd with a full disk install and change boot order in BIOS) [recommended]
install on a VM [easy, no extra cost if your computer can handle it, but worst representation of final performance]
@@jojobobbubble5688 Thank you so much for this. I really appreciate it. I decided to go ahead and buy the laptop. I also purchased a 256GB SSD for $25 from Amazon during the Prime Day sale today. My plan is to change the SSD over to the 256GB drive and install Debian. Then, if it works, I'll put the 1TB drive back in and reinstall. Once again, many thanks for your help. 🙌
@@jojobobbubble5688 Actually, what you're recommending is even better. The laptop I've ordered has two SSD slots (2 X M2 2280, 1 X M2 2242). If I buy another SSD of the M2 2242 variety I can then multiboot when the BIOS starts. Then I could have two totally different operating system, which will be awesome. Thank you very much. 🙏
You could have downloaded it using the torrent option. It helps saving bandwidth to debian servers, plus it's very fast.
How do you TRY Debian and NOT install?
virtual machine like vmware or virtualbox, or just boot from an external SSD I guess
Unfortunately this won’t work for 32 bit. Bummer!
and end of installation it ask what enviroment and what distro(theme). thats what linux need one installation media.
it never win window unless windows ruin it with ads and monthjly fee or cloud
To LVM or not to LVM.
That is the question.
Every linux video I have seen, all show installation is successful but an installation can be called 'SUCCESSFUL' only then when all the device drivers are installed correctly and nobody shows that. The main problem which nobody shows is the problem with the graphics driver. Maximum linux distributions use the 'NOUVEAU' driver when it comes to Nvidia and it looks very good, absolutely normal. But when the user checks the graphics card utilisation, it shows idle. Without the proper driver installed, I don’t count it as 'SUCCESSFUL'. Yes, Jay @Learn Linux TV, this video is wonderful on how we can install Debian 12 and gave a like also and probably will subscribe after checking your channel, but I cannot call this installation 'SUCCESSFUL'. Please make a 'SUCCESSFUL' Debian 12 installation video in a machine with a Nvidia graphics card (older would be better, like GT730, GT710 etc.), if possible. Then we will consider it as a serious alternative to Windows and to leave Windows for good.
As curious I am for what you say about your longterm use of Debian stable, this trial is also kind of "boring", in the sense, that right now, Debian stable and all its packages are very new compared to any distro based on Ubuntu LTS. It would become more interesting at the end of a Debian versions end of life time.
Also I would be even more curious about a longterm Debian Testing trial and a video about that, since it seems actually a really good option as a desktop OS. After all, you will never again have to deal with installing a new version, just like any rolling release distro, while still having the APT package manager and all the Debian base, and it is probably more stable as Arch while being as up to date as Fedora. But that is just what I can say about it... I would be curious what a Linux expert thinks about Debian Testing.
All distro decisions are compromises. Concerning the testing branch, an often overlooked consideration (one which could prove vital for a certain subset of users) is as follows (pulled directly from the Debian wiki):
“Compared to stable and unstable, next-stable testing has the worst security update speed. Don't prefer testing if security is a concern.”
@@djmcwill1010 That is good to know. But it raises the question, why this is? Maybe it is also there in the Wiki. But another question is, maybe connected to the first one, how secure is Debian testing compared to, let's say, Fedora?
I Can't Understand Why Debian 12 uses resources when idle, where system temperature of Windows 10 LTSC (debloated) is lower than Debian 12 by 3~4 celcius degree when idle. Is there any information collecting or using my system in background?
34 GB of swap??? is this right? I have 16 GB of Ram and calamares creates 16 GB of swap....I don't understand why so much swap if we have a lot of Ram? Best wishes and thanks for the vdeo...
wish youu were talking about persistent storage with debian live USB...
How about taking yourself out of zone of comfort and review NixOs?))
👍👍!
Uggghhhh.
Installed it. Wiped it out 5 minutes later because I could already see this is command line for many things built into Ubuntu MATE, or a lot of time with me figuring out the GUI tools I need to add to it, and if I have to do that might as well keep Ubuntu MATE which MOSTLY comes ready for me to use and I only have to do about 15 things to it, not 30 things. Ubuntu MATE is almost completely GUI.
I guess I didn't realize just how handy Ubuntu MATE is for a Windows user?
i like video
Easy peasy
Thank you for your video