The overpowered Laplace technique for summing series.

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ธ.ค. 2024

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  • @lorenzovittori7853
    @lorenzovittori7853 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    Very cool but a and B cannot be the same

    • @GeoffryGifari
      @GeoffryGifari ปีที่แล้ว +7

      even if a and b are both positive? r/b-a will blow up but Xᵃ - Xᵇ will go to zero. hmmmm
      its not apparent that a=b is invalid from the series alone

    • @aliinci1874
      @aliinci1874 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      you can take a limit as b approaches a and notice it is the derivative of x^(a) with respect to a

    • @spoolster64
      @spoolster64 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@aliinci1874 can confirm. Evaluating for b approaches a at a=0 r=1 you find the solution to the basel problem

    • @lorenzovittori7853
      @lorenzovittori7853 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@GeoffryGifari of a=b u can't use partial fraction decomposition, not in the way Michael did

    • @jesusalej1
      @jesusalej1 ปีที่แล้ว

      a=b is a special case of decomposition.

  • @timothywaters8249
    @timothywaters8249 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Mind blown... We used Laplace transforms to solve diff eqs... a lot. Using it like this opens your mind. I love pure maths more and more every day!

  • @MarcoMate87
    @MarcoMate87 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    At 7:00, we must require both a and b to be > -1 to ensure absolute convergence for both integrals. In fact, take for example the first Laplace transform: multiplying e^(-nt) with e^(-at) under the integral sign, we have e^[-t(n+a)]. Remember that t > 0, so for the integral to converge for every natural n > 0 we need n+a > 0 for every natural n > 0. This is true if and only if a > -1. The same goes for b.

    • @Kycilak
      @Kycilak ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Well... He assumed a,b to be nonnegative integers right at the start, didn't he?

  • @whozz
    @whozz ปีที่แล้ว +34

    The formula only works for a != b. Can we use limits to extend it for the a = b case?

    • @damyankorena
      @damyankorena ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Computer scientist spotted!!!!!!!!!
      Also just take the original problem and consider the case a=b and you kind of just solve it from there

    • @DendrocnideMoroides
      @DendrocnideMoroides ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Say a == b, not a = b.

  • @panagiotissismanis7387
    @panagiotissismanis7387 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Congratulations!! A very interesting point of view linking infinite series to integrals!! Keep up the great job, Mike!!...

  • @mathematics_and_energetics
    @mathematics_and_energetics หลายเดือนก่อน

    simply WOW! 🌺Thank you, dear Michael! 🙏🥳😎

  • @Qoow8e1deDgikQ9m3ZG
    @Qoow8e1deDgikQ9m3ZG 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    the part let x=u^2 and x=u^3 and put together should be wrong, but the Laplace method is really genius

  • @lori2364
    @lori2364 ปีที่แล้ว

    A thing of beauty.

  • @qschroed
    @qschroed ปีที่แล้ว +1

    an interesting case analysis of the formula would be at r=1 a = 0 and b approaching 0 as a limit, the value of this should be the basel sum

  • @GrandMoffTarkinsTeaDispenser
    @GrandMoffTarkinsTeaDispenser ปีที่แล้ว

    Very satisfying method I agree.

  • @GrandMoffTarkinsTeaDispenser
    @GrandMoffTarkinsTeaDispenser ปีที่แล้ว +7

    A bit of a basic question, but at 13:35, when performing the u substitution, why is it okay to write sqrt(u^2)=u instead of |u|? The way Michael did it in the video, after writing dx=2udu you're left with u^2 on the numerator while I would have thought the result to be |u|*u
    Thank you.

    • @michaelguenther7105
      @michaelguenther7105 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Both x and u are positive on the interval (0, 1).

    • @IoT_
      @IoT_ ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The integration is within the interval which is more or equal to zero ,i.e. from 0 to 1

    • @GrandMoffTarkinsTeaDispenser
      @GrandMoffTarkinsTeaDispenser ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@michaelguenther7105 Of course! Thanks.

    • @GrandMoffTarkinsTeaDispenser
      @GrandMoffTarkinsTeaDispenser ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@IoT_ Thank you!

    • @khoozu7802
      @khoozu7802 ปีที่แล้ว

      Actually if u=-sqrtx, x=1,u=-1,u can be negative
      However, u=sqrtx and u=-sqrtx are the same integral
      Let x=u^2 and -sqrtx=u
      dx=2udu
      x=0,u=0
      x=1,u=-1
      ∫_(0,1) sqrtx/(x-1)dx
      =∫_(0,-1) -u/(u^2-1)*2udu
      =∫_(-1,0) 2u^2/(u^2-1)du
      =∫_(0,1) 2u^2/(u^2-1)du
      Because it is an even function

  • @franksaved3893
    @franksaved3893 ปีที่แล้ว

    At the end the case r=0 works and gives 0 not because ln(1)=0, but because the limit of all that stuff is 0 for r->0

  • @HerbertLandei
    @HerbertLandei ปีที่แล้ว +2

    [Edit: This is wrong, but just in case someone else has the same brainfart] 14:06 is clearly wrong, it should be Integral u/(u²-1)du and Integral u/(u³-1)du.

    • @leif_p
      @leif_p ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think you forgot to multiply the dx terms.

    • @megauser8512
      @megauser8512 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No, it is right because of the du term.

    • @HerbertLandei
      @HerbertLandei ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@megauser8512 Sorry, you are right.

  • @koendos3
    @koendos3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sums are my favorites

  • @thatdude_93
    @thatdude_93 ปีที่แล้ว

    you can't really use dominated convergence here, but monotone convergence will do since we're summing positive terms

  • @GeoffryGifari
    @GeoffryGifari ปีที่แล้ว +10

    hmmm can the resulting integral be solved with contour integration?

  • @goodplacetostop2973
    @goodplacetostop2973 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    18:45

  • @Lakedaimōn-h8j
    @Lakedaimōn-h8j ปีที่แล้ว +3

    7:21
    Why are the sigma and integral interchangeable?

    • @GrandMoffTarkinsTeaDispenser
      @GrandMoffTarkinsTeaDispenser ปีที่แล้ว

      There is a theorem about this which has to do with different types of convergence, I think when you have "absolute" convergence then it is okay to make the switch. Maybe someone can expand on my answer.

    • @xizar0rg
      @xizar0rg ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The "Dominated Convergence Theorem". Basically says as long as your series is 'nicely behaved', you can swap the order. (*very* oversimplified explanation of 'nice' in this case is absolutely bounded and converges at every value of the summation index. don't use this explanation in your homework.)

    • @divisix024
      @divisix024 ปีที่แล้ว

      Iirc the condition for dominanted convergence is that (or at least in one of the versions) there is a nonnegative function such that at each point within the integration bounds, the expression doesn’t exceed the function regardless of n, and that the function is integrable

  • @jbtechcon7434
    @jbtechcon7434 ปีที่แล้ว

    0:54 Yeah, that's the problem with most of what you learn in school. It only works in school.

  • @Patapom3
    @Patapom3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing!

  • @cd-zw2tt
    @cd-zw2tt ปีที่แล้ว

    region of convergence

  • @khoozu7802
    @khoozu7802 ปีที่แล้ว

    The calculation in first example was wrong. U should integrate them separately because when x=u^2, u=sqrtx, x=1-, u=sqrt(1-), when x=u^3, u=cbrtx, x=1-, u=cbrt(1-)
    If u assumed x=1, u=sqrt1=1 and u=cbrt1=1, u will get wrong in final answer.

  • @minwithoutintroduction
    @minwithoutintroduction ปีที่แล้ว

    19:21

  • @khoozu7802
    @khoozu7802 ปีที่แล้ว

    13.36
    He said dx=2udu but he wrote du=2udu

  • @AmitBentabou
    @AmitBentabou ปีที่แล้ว

    I dont feel comfortable in that change of variables.
    It feels like because of the limit nature of integrals, youre doing there two different infinite limits with the same variable taken at the same time, something that is not entirely rigorous. Can you explain why you are allowed to do that?

    • @randomlife7935
      @randomlife7935 ปีที่แล้ว

      Since the original series is absolutely convergent, then any change of variables or order is valid.

    • @Kycilak
      @Kycilak ปีที่แล้ว

      Well, you can tear the former integral into two, do the change of variable for each of them as Michael has done. The variables used in the change should probably differ as they result from different changes, but we can rename the variable we integrate over as we please. Then we would be left with the addition of the two integrals over the same integral, which can be joined again.
      Schematically:
      int_0^1 [ f(x) + g(x) ] dx = int_0^1 f(x) dx + int_0^1 g(x) dx = int_0^1 h(u) du + int_0^1 k(v) dv = int_0^1 h(u) du + int_0^1 k(u) du = int_0^1 [ h(u) + k(u) ] du
      The thing is we are able to do this because both of the changes of variables give the same interval (0, 1) "by coincidence".

  • @natanfreire8692
    @natanfreire8692 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is interesting

  • @hhlavacs
    @hhlavacs ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent video as always

  • @CTJ2619
    @CTJ2619 ปีที่แล้ว

    Check it out !

  • @CM63_France
    @CM63_France ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hi,
    I used this technic, when I was about 20, to study this functional series : f(x)=1/(x+1)-1/(x+2)+1/(x+3)-... , and show that it had some thing to do with (pi x) / (sin pi x).
    Knowing, now, that that is equal to gamma(1-x) gamma(1+x), may be I could retrieve my function out of the gamma function. 🤔

    • @joansgf7515
      @joansgf7515 ปีที่แล้ว

      By the same method on the video I reduced -sum_{n=1}^{infty} (-1)^n/(n+x) to int_0^infty e^-(1+x)t/(1+e^(-t)) dt. I'm not sure if I did it right and if it is how it is related to gamma(1-x)gamma(1+x).

    • @joansgf7515
      @joansgf7515 ปีที่แล้ว

      When plotted on Desmos the integral is a really got approximation for gamma(1-x)gamma(1+x) in the interval (-1,-1/2]

  • @erfanmohagheghian707
    @erfanmohagheghian707 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is not really overpowered when you can turn the summand into an integral as already shown by yourself.

  • @naseramiri8332
    @naseramiri8332 ปีที่แล้ว

    handsome

  • @CTJ2619
    @CTJ2619 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is a pet peeve of mine that I have written about before. When you say (a lot) “something like” it assumes you are putting an approximation to the answer rather than saying “the answer is or will be”