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Watching your videos has given me the urge to play Star Trek online again, if I do what should I name my first federation ship? Any recommendations Jen?
Since you’re into the music and sound effects for the show, may I recommend that you can find videos on TH-cam that are nothing but ambient noise from the various star ships on Star Trek. I sometimes use the ship rumble as an ambient noise generator to sleep to along with other noises to help combat my tennitus.
Hi Jen, pls consider doing the British version of Sherlock Holmes called “Sherlock”. Amazon Prime carries it in Alberta……this is just a brilliant, brilliant series with Benedict Cumberbatch and Martin Freeman. The music, writing, and acting is stunning! Loved today’s reaction!
In the beginning of the episode data said chief engineer la Forge was looking for me I think in the newer seasons you might have just said Jordy was looking for me
ooh measure of a man is one of my favorite TNG episodes, it really gets into data and what it means to be a sentient being, that's a major theme in TNG and also Picard ("Star Trek: Picard"). 🙂
Geordi's delivery at the beginning of "Elementary, Dear Data" is very _Reading Rainbow._ He seems about ready to say "But . . . you don't have to take _my_ word for it."
The biggest shock in Elementary Dear Data is that Daniel Davis who plays Moriarty is actually an American actor. His accent is so perfect that everyone in the UK though he was yet another British actor slumming it in the US for a paycheque, and it's still a bit of a shock when you hear him speak in his natural accent.
@@allanmanaged5285 Riiight. That's my favorite movie and I forget he plays the captain....of the USS Enterprise. Gates McFadden coincidentally also is in it as Jack Ryan's wife.
The woman in the transporter is played by terri hatcher, famous for being Lois lane on Lois and Clark the new adventures of superman, and desperate houswives.
7:05 Mark! If I recall his name correctly, actor Basil Rathbone is famous for playing "Sherlock Holmes" in a series of movies based on the novels that his look and his voice are the trope/stereotype used by others ever since, including Data! 😉 The movie version, though, unlike the novel version, got to fight WW2 Nazis! 😅
Some great episodes and I’ll never get tired of Star Trek Sunday. It’s still one of the greatest ideas Jen has ever come up with, it’s always must see.
“A pity What I have seen What I have learned Fascinates me … _I do not want to die_ “ His performance here is absolutely phenomenal. For some reason that line stuck with me whenever I think about this episode.
Yes! These lines perfectly express that Moriarty is part of a Novel, thought of by a Romantic Era mind, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle. These lines couldve easily been written by Poe or Christie or Wilhelm Müller or Heinrich Heine or Clara Schumann or Jean Sibelius... and so on.
It is very fitting for early TNG (in a good way) to suggest that if an AI Moriarty grew that intelligent, he would be intelligent enough to realise that evil is inherently limiting and he no longer wants to be a villain.
PS: Ahem. Oh yeah! I forgot! There's a PC "Star Trek" game that allows you to build your own starship, name it, and assign crew members to it. You have access to every named appropriate character from each series and the movies made up to that time. Teri Hatcher's character is included. Her character file is eerily similar to Lois Lane's! Now, if you have studied the phenomenon known as "The Terry Westphall Universe" then you should be aware that "The Star Trek Universe" and the "DC Multiverse" and a big group of "NBC" series and the "MCU" coexist! So Julia's "Elaine" from "Seinfeld" and her "MCU" character are doppelgangers! Teri's "Seinfeld" character and her "DC" characters are doppelgangers! "Doctor Who" is connected, by the way. I could go on, but there's a Website dedicated to keeping track of crossovers and shared universes. The guy calls himself "Poobala"! 😊
The Rogue is Billy Campbell. He's the Rocketeer. Appearing lately in a great police series set in Northern Ontario, where he plays a detective, Cardinal.
Johnny Dangerously is soo good!!! And Joe was definitely funny in that. Did they actually name him Joe Piscopo in the episode though? I thought he was actually playing a fictional comedian. Didn't someone call him Mr Joke or Mr Comedy or something in the episode? I forgot what the name was after Mr but I swear I heard that (it's been a couple hours since I watched the reaction).
To those of you who recommended the Jeremy Brett Holmes series, thanks for that. I watched an episode today and enjoyed it very much. The ep I saw adapted a short story I read recently, and it was done quite faithfully and well.
My dad has seen many versions of Sherlock Holmes over the years, the Jeremy Brett series came well after the ones he'd have childhood nostalgia for, and he maintains that the Brett version is still the best Holmes ever.
The Jeremy Brett series is the closest anyone has ever gotten to translating Holmes from page to screen. There are other versions that are good, don't get me wrong, but for pure accuracy to the source material, it's unparalleled.
4:47 Mark! Data only mentioned the literature itself, right? Not the movies, television series, and games, too? 🤔 Oddly enough, Spock once made a comment about an ancestor on his mother's side, that people now still speculate if the ancestor was Doyle or "Holmes"! 😂
24:13 Mark! Aha! You just witnessed the start of a big fight between "Star Warriors" and "Star Trekkers"! "Industrial Light & Magic" does special effects for both, so they are neutral! Yet, that perspective is lost in the emotional intensity of the ongoing fighting! The point is that ships with mere LASERs shouldn't be able to harm a "Starfleet" vessel as long as the navigational deflectors are functioning. In the DR version of "The Doomsday Machine" asteroids shatter to pieces on the hulk that was the "USS Constellation"! No shields are needed! Such a scene doesn't exist in the original version! So those two clues are used as evidence that a "Starship" defeats a "Star Destroyer"! But it isn't accepted by diehards at all! It is another point about semantics! A "Turbo Laser" isn't a mere "LASER" for example. The debate is stuck in a rut! 😮
In my opinion, as soon as a creation _seems_ to be a living, self-aware entity, we should treat it as such -- for our sake as much as its own. Questions of whether or not it's "really" alive are irrelevant, and are likely unanswerable anyway.
The comic Data was trying to learn about comedy from is Joe Piscapo. His cameo on TNG was kind of a big deal back in the day. He is probably most famous for his time on Saturday Night Live in the early 80s, the Eddie Murphy years. He and Eddie were good friends, and they did a famous skit together portraying Frank Sinatra and Stevie Wonder doing a version of “Ebony and Ivory.” It’s on TH-cam.
17:34 Mark! Hmm. In the original "Star Trek" aeries, we have the episode with "Doctor Corby" and an episode with "Norman" and so many gynoids, and the sad one in which Kirk falls in love with a gynoid who doesn't know that she is one. 😢
Teri Hatcher is alas, my age now too, and her only daughter is now old enough to make her a grandmother! But I remember how she caused a stir among some by being in a magazine article and she and her daughter wore matching swimsuits! 😮 I thought they were cute together, but the daughter was seen as being "sexualized" just because her mother was sexy in her swimsuit. 😮 Now, she wouldn't cause such a fuss. Instead, it would be about how great it is that Teri, at 59, still looks good in a swimsuit that matches her daughter's swimsuit! 😅
25:47 Mark! "We know who you are!" Aha! Maybe the "Doctor Who" writers were inspired by this episode! They created a British PM who always flashes her identification and introduces herself! Even the Dale's and maybe the Cybermen, too, got annoyed as they said that line! 😅 Humans were saying it first, though!
18:07 Mark! He kept saying "Mister Computer"! 😂😅 But anyway, Georgie, by his words, would be the father, and "Computer" by her actions would be the mother! No one else has mentioned that! They always say "Sir Arthur Conan Doyle"! 😅
Elementary My Dear Data was my very first Star Trek episode. I came upon it while channel surfing and it piqued my curiosity because I loved scifi and I loved Sherlock Holmes. That was the start of my fandom 30 years ago.
the first episode i ever saw had the entire crew lose their memories. i was very intrigued. i had no clue who the imposter was, just thought he was another crew member. Data as the bartender made perfect sense. none of it was ironic or funny, unlike the second viewing where it was all hysterics.
Your commentary at the end of Elementary Dear Data is almost taken from a script of a later episode. So when you get to that episode you will know, and I would ask you to come back here and listen to your commentary. No spoilers, just when you get to that episode and you will know the episode. It is in this season, so you don't have to wait long. I would love to hear your comments if you read this comment and when you get to that episode and compare your questions here with what that episode is about. :)
3:38 Mark! The irony here is that they want to enjoy a work of fiction as intended. If it were a real mystery, they would want to solve it as fast as possible without making mistakes because lives, probably theirs, are at stake! 😉
To be honest, while I love the characters of Data and Picard themselves, I'm not a great fan of episodes like "Elementary, Dear Data" or other ones involving them that are set on the holodeck as Westerns, Film Noir or other literary or cinematic styles. When I watch ST, I want to see ST not ST reinterpreted in detail as another genre. It's not very original and rather derivative (inevitably). While I appreciate the concept of doing an occasional episode like that as a homage and I accept others will enjoy it, I can never rate those episodes too highly in the canon personally.
15:26 Mark! When this was new, my friends and I laughed because she didn't think that she was old, then, as we were all under 30! Now, at least, I know better! The others may not have matured. 😁
haha teri hatcher (lois + clark, desperate housewifes) as the transporter operator / love interest! xD it's so funny to spot actors you didn't know at the time
6:05 Mark! This episode clarifies for some why semantics are so important! Others just became more spiteful with their attitude of "Why should I say what I mean and mean what I say?!" 😮 I hoped that they would do an episode with Picard as "Dixon Hill" in a "Sherlock Holmes" mystery with Data in a "Dixon Hill" mystery, as a contest, or just for fun, episode but it never happened. 😒
Elementary Dear Data was the first episode I thought really stood out up to this point. Episode 9 was when I knew this was the show for me. Looking forward to your reaction on that one 😊
The entirety of London as seen on the holodeck in this episode was actually built inside the holodeck set. Very clever set design allowed them to fit the streets and buildings all within that space. The model of the H.M.S. Victory, Lord Nelson's flagship at the 1805 Battle of Trafalgar, was a Mantua kit. They were manufacturers of the highest quality wooden model ships and their model of the Victory was amongst the largest and most expensive that they offered at the time (even still today). Following this episode, the model was displayed in Gene Roddenberry's office in his home. I don't know what became of it after his wife Majel's (aka Nurse Chapel, Lwaxana Troi, and the voice of the computer) death.
Does Data have a soul ? I don't think so personally. But then, I don't think _we_ do either :). He's certainly a conscious being though, which is surely what matters. (I used to live near where the actual HMS Victory is dry docked in the south of England and visited a few times - the ship's a museum nowadays and no longer seaworthy but _technically_ she's still commissioned in the Royal Navy, making her the oldest commissioned naval vessel in the world)
The best adaptations of the original Holmes stories are from the Grenada series in the 80s. Jeremy Brett’s portrayal IS Holmes from the stories and I highly recommend them.
Sorry for missing the premiere of these episodes, Jen, I was delayed in getting home, both of these episodes are really good ones, particularly, 'Elementary, My Dear Data". I look forward to seeing you react to 'The Measure of a Man' which is one of the best Data episodes.
I love that Geordi's first idea is basically to have "AI" create a "new" mystery. The reason it doesn't work is the same reason why AI "art" and "writing" don't work in our time now. It's only copying pre-existing, human made art and writing. It doesn't matter how it jumbles them up, it's not going to have anything original. Data can solve anything the computer comes up with because he knows all the same things as the computer. It isn't until Moriarty achieves sentience that Data can be challenged. TNG so accurately predicting the problem 36 years ahead of time.
🔔 JEN: Trivia #2 -> In S2E4 the woman transporting the ship's captain and then subsequently awaited him in her quarters was none other than Teri Hatcher, co-star of the great TV series 'LOIS & CLARK: THE NEW ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN' (which series please react to)! Unfortunately almost all of her scenes in this ST:NG episode wound up on the cutting room floor and when she found out she told them not to bother to put her name in the credits. (Ouch!)
4:51 Mark! The writers are consistently inconsistent about the standardized measurement system being "Imperial" or "Metric"! We're left guessing that a mixed-up system survived the wars or that it is a character's preference based on where they were born and/or educated. Thus missing the point about "standardized"! I venture that it is lazy writers using their preferences! 😮
The girl who beamed the "rogue" guy onto the ship is actress Teri Hatcher. She was a Bond girl in Tomorrow Never Dies. Pierce Brosnan was James Bond. Teri Hatcher is also well known for her role as Lois Lane in the early 90s TV show: Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman. It went 4 seasons, I think. Teri Hatcher is also known for her other TV show she did later called Desperate Housewives. Oh, and a movie with Sylvester Stallone and Kurt Russell called Tango and Cash. -OG
Fun fact: when they wrote Elementary Dear Data they believed the Sherlock Holmes novels were in public domain, this was not the case. This caused some friction with the family estate that owns the rights which led to a consequence which we will see further down the line in this shows history.
Great reaction, Jen. There is an episode this season that tackles some of your questions about Data. You may have seen it by now. IMO. one if the best in the series.
The problem with Polaski is, when Bones said those cruel things about Spock, his whole jovial demeanour made them funny. They pasted that dynamic on Polaski and Data without adjustment, but P just comes off as an ass, that is also incompatible with the other scraps of a character that she got.
He's not just accessing the computer, he's tied into the computer. Remember he is being generated BY the ship's computer, he's part of it. That's why he's able to summon up information that it would have.
Elementary Dear Data is the first truly epic episode of TNG. That's pretty much the reason I tend to just kind of want to forget the first season entirely. There was nothing close to this good in season 1. Once you've seen something like this, it's hard to go back. The best TNG episodes were all about timeless concepts. Like AI. Which is why it's still relevant. Back then, it might have seemed a little silly to be thinking about computers becoming self aware and being a credible threat. The computers most ordinary people interacted with were little more than fancy calculators. The idea of playing a movie on a computer was mindblowing back then. TNG was ahead of it's time but AI wasn't exactly a new concept in science fiction. It just hadn't been done very well very often.
Always look forward to Sundays because of these. So glad you are doing the Star Trek saga, also your enthusiasm and curiosity of the metaphysical questions it invokes really brings me back to being a kid talking about the latest episode or movie with my friends. Thanks Jen.
Jen, if you're interested in more Sherlock Holmes, I highly recommend The 1984 tv series starring Jeremy Brett or the series of films from the 1940s starring Basil Rathbone, both are excellent portrayals and are widely available on TH-cam.
Absolutely correct. They knock spots of the more recent reinterpretations of Sherlock, and anyone unfamiliar with the character should start with them to get a good grounding.
I'm loving watching Jen go through the Star Trek episodes I grew up watching with my dad. Fun bit of trivia: keep an eye on the console behind Worf in the wide shots. You'll see pieces of black paper taped to the console to prevent the stage lights from reflecting towards the cameras. It's one of those things you can't unsee once you've noticed it.
i love that no matter how far-fetched or fucking weird the situation becomes that the crew finds themselves in, picard is always like 'yo thats literally nuts but lets all team up and dominate that fucking thing'. i love how they all have each others back and its like autobots lets roll out
The theme tune was shortened because two names were removed the the title sequence: Denise Crosby and Gates McFadden. Note that Diana Muldaur gets a "guest star" credit in the 1st act, leaving the doctor's credit absent from the intro.
The "rogue" guy charming women on the Enterprise is the same guy who played Rocketeer in the Disney movie The Rocketeer. Co-starring Timothy Daltan (Bond actor) and Jennifer Connelly. -OG
Start date 2303.3 It was elementary my dear number one, that you would enjoy the first episode of your weekly instalment. Once again, much enjoyable, watching your reactions to Star Trek next gen. Keep up the good work will be waiting for your next instalment next weekend . 🖖😊🇨🇦
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Watching your videos has given me the urge to play Star Trek online again, if I do what should I name my first federation ship? Any recommendations Jen?
Since you’re into the music and sound effects for the show, may I recommend that you can find videos on TH-cam that are nothing but ambient noise from the various star ships on Star Trek. I sometimes use the ship rumble as an ambient noise generator to sleep to along with other noises to help combat my tennitus.
Hi Jen, pls consider doing the British version of Sherlock Holmes called “Sherlock”. Amazon Prime carries it in Alberta……this is just a brilliant, brilliant series with Benedict Cumberbatch and Martin Freeman. The music, writing, and acting is stunning!
Loved today’s reaction!
In the beginning of the episode data said chief engineer la Forge was looking for me I think in the newer seasons you might have just said Jordy was looking for me
ooh measure of a man is one of my favorite TNG episodes, it really gets into data and what it means to be a sentient being, that's a major theme in TNG and also Picard ("Star Trek: Picard"). 🙂
Geordi's delivery at the beginning of "Elementary, Dear Data" is very _Reading Rainbow._ He seems about ready to say "But . . . you don't have to take _my_ word for it."
Geordi and Data’s friendship is one of the best elements in TNG.
💯
The biggest shock in Elementary Dear Data is that Daniel Davis who plays Moriarty is actually an American actor. His accent is so perfect that everyone in the UK though he was yet another British actor slumming it in the US for a paycheque, and it's still a bit of a shock when you hear him speak in his natural accent.
To say nothing of his legendary role as Niles on The Nanny.
The actor playing Moriarty is actually from Arkansas.
Oh I never knew that
He is also in 'The Hunt for Red October' on the US aircraft carrier.
@@allanmanaged5285 Riiight. That's my favorite movie and I forget he plays the captain....of the USS Enterprise. Gates McFadden coincidentally also is in it as Jack Ryan's wife.
The woman in the transporter is played by terri hatcher, famous for being Lois lane on Lois and Clark the new adventures of superman, and desperate houswives.
Haven't seen either!
@@jenmurrayxoHow about the movie _'Tango & Cash'_? She had a good role in that film.
You beat me to say the actress that played Lt, roninsion the transporter operator was Teri Hatcher.
She was in the second Brosnan Bond movie, too, no?
@@rexmundi2986 That is correct. _'Tomorrow Never Dies.'_
"Take my Worf, please!" That one silly little line has been with me for decades...
7:05 Mark! If I recall his name correctly, actor Basil Rathbone is famous for playing "Sherlock Holmes" in a series of movies based on the novels that his look and his voice are the trope/stereotype used by others ever since, including Data! 😉 The movie version, though, unlike the novel version, got to fight WW2 Nazis! 😅
"Commercial break!" makes me grin every time
They're real... And they're spectacular...
Good Seinfeld reference!
Unfortunately her later topless scenes definitively proved they are in fact not spectacular.
and thanks to the internet, we know she wasn't telling the truth about the 2nd half of that statement.
@@earlbrown ouch!
Some great episodes and I’ll never get tired of Star Trek Sunday. It’s still one of the greatest ideas Jen has ever come up with, it’s always must see.
Moriarty is played by the same actor who played the butler on the nanny.
Also the Captain of Enterprise in The Hunt for Red October.
Mr Niles Moriarty :D
Jen's questions about Data are exactly what makes "The Measure of a Man" a top 10 TNG episode!
She almost quoted it spot on.
Just wait until she starts watching TNG feature films! (NO spoilers!)
“A pity
What I have seen
What I have learned
Fascinates me
… _I do not want to die_ “
His performance here is absolutely phenomenal. For some reason that line stuck with me whenever I think about this episode.
Reminds very much of the death scene of Rutger Hauer in Bladerunner.
"And I do not want to kill you."
You're right. Great scene.
Yes! These lines perfectly express that Moriarty is part of a Novel, thought of by a Romantic Era mind, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle. These lines couldve easily been written by Poe or Christie or Wilhelm Müller or Heinrich Heine or Clara Schumann or Jean Sibelius... and so on.
It is very fitting for early TNG (in a good way) to suggest that if an AI Moriarty grew that intelligent, he would be intelligent enough to realise that evil is inherently limiting and he no longer wants to be a villain.
He was great in this, and I had no idea his accent was fake.
Is that the Rocketeer in the second episode?! It kind of looks just like him! 🤓
God I can't wait for Captain Jen to watch Measure of a Man.
In a chat she said she really liked that one.
PS: Ahem. Oh yeah! I forgot! There's a PC "Star Trek" game that allows you to build your own starship, name it, and assign crew members to it. You have access to every named appropriate character from each series and the movies made up to that time.
Teri Hatcher's character is included. Her character file is eerily similar to Lois Lane's!
Now, if you have studied the phenomenon known as "The Terry Westphall Universe" then you should be aware that "The Star Trek Universe" and the "DC Multiverse" and a big group of "NBC" series and the "MCU" coexist!
So Julia's "Elaine" from "Seinfeld" and her "MCU" character are doppelgangers!
Teri's "Seinfeld" character and her "DC" characters are doppelgangers!
"Doctor Who" is connected, by the way.
I could go on, but there's a Website dedicated to keeping track of crossovers and shared universes. The guy calls himself "Poobala"! 😊
I'm pretty sure that's the first time I've heard a reactor use the word "anthropomorphize" before! 😁
The Rogue is Billy Campbell. He's the Rocketeer. Appearing lately in a great police series set in Northern Ontario, where he plays a detective, Cardinal.
🔔 JEN: Trivia -> The Captain of the ship they encountered at the beginning of S2E4 was a runner up to Frakes to play Riker!
Billy Campbell,(the outrageous Okona), played “The Rocketeer”.A movie you just reacted to just a few days ago.
I didnt realize that was him!
The Rocka-Who?
Probably the biggest (unintentional?) joke in the second episode was depicting Joe Piscopo as one of the most important comedians in Earth's history.
Hey, I remember laughing a lot at that guy in the 80's. ... I was 12 at the end of the 80's so that says _all_ you need to know.
Did they say he was _important_ , though, or just typical of the era?
I have a problem with the implication that Piscopo is even remotely _funny._
@@bozzutoman He was petty good in Johnny Dangerously.
After leaving SNL right before the timeframe when they decided to stop being funny.
Johnny Dangerously is soo good!!! And Joe was definitely funny in that.
Did they actually name him Joe Piscopo in the episode though? I thought he was actually playing a fictional comedian. Didn't someone call him Mr Joke or Mr Comedy or something in the episode? I forgot what the name was after Mr but I swear I heard that (it's been a couple hours since I watched the reaction).
To those of you who recommended the Jeremy Brett Holmes series, thanks for that. I watched an episode today and enjoyed it very much. The ep I saw adapted a short story I read recently, and it was done quite faithfully and well.
My dad has seen many versions of Sherlock Holmes over the years, the Jeremy Brett series came well after the ones he'd have childhood nostalgia for, and he maintains that the Brett version is still the best Holmes ever.
The Jeremy Brett series is the closest anyone has ever gotten to translating Holmes from page to screen. There are other versions that are good, don't get me wrong, but for pure accuracy to the source material, it's unparalleled.
4:47 Mark! Data only mentioned the literature itself, right? Not the movies, television series, and games, too? 🤔 Oddly enough, Spock once made a comment about an ancestor on his mother's side, that people now still speculate if the ancestor was Doyle or "Holmes"! 😂
24:13 Mark! Aha! You just witnessed the start of a big fight between "Star Warriors" and "Star Trekkers"! "Industrial Light & Magic" does special effects for both, so they are neutral! Yet, that perspective is lost in the emotional intensity of the ongoing fighting!
The point is that ships with mere LASERs shouldn't be able to harm a "Starfleet" vessel as long as the navigational deflectors are functioning. In the DR version of "The Doomsday Machine" asteroids shatter to pieces on the hulk that was the "USS Constellation"! No shields are needed! Such a scene doesn't exist in the original version!
So those two clues are used as evidence that a "Starship" defeats a "Star Destroyer"! But it isn't accepted by diehards at all!
It is another point about semantics! A "Turbo Laser" isn't a mere "LASER" for example. The debate is stuck in a rut! 😮
Nice job on the Poppies, Jen! See ya at noon!
Data as Sherlock is pure awesomeness. I cant wait for you to discover more
Almost all of the Holodeck episodes are wonderful; but "Elementary" is at the top of the list.
In my opinion, as soon as a creation _seems_ to be a living, self-aware entity, we should treat it as such -- for our sake as much as its own. Questions of whether or not it's "really" alive are irrelevant, and are likely unanswerable anyway.
The comic Data was trying to learn about comedy from is Joe Piscapo. His cameo on TNG was kind of a big deal back in the day. He is probably most famous for his time on Saturday Night Live in the early 80s, the Eddie Murphy years. He and Eddie were good friends, and they did a famous skit together portraying Frank Sinatra and Stevie Wonder doing a version of “Ebony and Ivory.” It’s on TH-cam.
I remember him most for Sidekicks I think.
I know Piscopo from Dead Heat only
I know Piscopo from Dead Heat only
1:22 Mark! Jen the Gem, have you ever noticed the people in the Ready Room during that sequence? 🤔 To me, it looks like Data is moving about.
Yay, _"Elementary"_ - the ep when _TNG_ began to find it's feet.
first episode that can seamlessly fit in with the best of tng
Arguably the first good TNG episode :P
And then Okona comes along and knocks it back on its butt.
@@jamesgoss1860 I liked the Okana episode though!
17:34 Mark! Hmm. In the original "Star Trek" aeries, we have the episode with "Doctor Corby" and an episode with "Norman" and so many gynoids, and the sad one in which Kirk falls in love with a gynoid who doesn't know that she is one. 😢
Elementary Dear Data, one of my favorites from season 2, and we get to see the Rocketeer as Okona. 👍💯
If you like exploration into the nature of Data, you're going to love ep 9. (everyone loves ep 9).
Teri Hatcher is alas, my age now too, and her only daughter is now old enough to make her a grandmother! But I remember how she caused a stir among some by being in a magazine article and she and her daughter wore matching swimsuits! 😮 I thought they were cute together, but the daughter was seen as being "sexualized" just because her mother was sexy in her swimsuit. 😮 Now, she wouldn't cause such a fuss. Instead, it would be about how great it is that Teri, at 59, still looks good in a swimsuit that matches her daughter's swimsuit! 😅
25:47 Mark! "We know who you are!" Aha! Maybe the "Doctor Who" writers were inspired by this episode! They created a British PM who always flashes her identification and introduces herself! Even the Dale's and maybe the Cybermen, too, got annoyed as they said that line! 😅 Humans were saying it first, though!
18:07 Mark! He kept saying "Mister Computer"! 😂😅
But anyway, Georgie, by his words, would be the father, and "Computer" by her actions would be the mother! No one else has mentioned that! They always say "Sir Arthur Conan Doyle"! 😅
Jen pondering the implications of a machine being alive is perfect considering an episode dealing with just that is coming up
1. this is where the show truly begins being great
2. they have 10 hour loop videos of the ship ambience
Fun fact the actor playing okana auditiond for the role of commander Riker and came down to him and Jonathan Frakes who of course got the part.
Elementary My Dear Data was my very first Star Trek episode. I came upon it while channel surfing and it piqued my curiosity because I loved scifi and I loved Sherlock Holmes. That was the start of my fandom 30 years ago.
the first episode i ever saw had the entire crew lose their memories. i was very intrigued. i had no clue who the imposter was, just thought he was another crew member. Data as the bartender made perfect sense. none of it was ironic or funny, unlike the second viewing where it was all hysterics.
2:52 Mark! A bubble blowing pipe! 😅
Your commentary at the end of Elementary Dear Data is almost taken from a script of a later episode. So when you get to that episode you will know, and I would ask you to come back here and listen to your commentary. No spoilers, just when you get to that episode and you will know the episode. It is in this season, so you don't have to wait long. I would love to hear your comments if you read this comment and when you get to that episode and compare your questions here with what that episode is about. :)
3:38 Mark! The irony here is that they want to enjoy a work of fiction as intended. If it were a real mystery, they would want to solve it as fast as possible without making mistakes because lives, probably theirs, are at stake! 😉
The actor who played Okona was one of several actors considered for the part of Riker.
"Elementary" is easily the best episode so far. Everyone remembers Moriarty.
To be honest, while I love the characters of Data and Picard themselves, I'm not a great fan of episodes like "Elementary, Dear Data" or other ones involving them that are set on the holodeck as Westerns, Film Noir or other literary or cinematic styles. When I watch ST, I want to see ST not ST reinterpreted in detail as another genre. It's not very original and rather derivative (inevitably). While I appreciate the concept of doing an occasional episode like that as a homage and I accept others will enjoy it, I can never rate those episodes too highly in the canon personally.
Mad About You was such a great series. People love to react to FRIENDS, maybe some reactors could check out Mad About You as well.
15:26 Mark! When this was new, my friends and I laughed because she didn't think that she was old, then, as we were all under 30! Now, at least, I know better! The others may not have matured. 😁
haha teri hatcher (lois + clark, desperate housewifes) as the transporter operator / love interest! xD it's so funny to spot actors you didn't know at the time
She also played recurring characters in "The Love Boat" and "MacGyver," and a key character in one first-season episode of "Quantum Leap."
6:05 Mark! This episode clarifies for some why semantics are so important! Others just became more spiteful with their attitude of "Why should I say what I mean and mean what I say?!" 😮
I hoped that they would do an episode with Picard as "Dixon Hill" in a "Sherlock Holmes" mystery with Data in a "Dixon Hill" mystery, as a contest, or just for fun, episode but it never happened. 😒
PPS: Ergo Teri's character in this episode is a doppelganger of her "DC" and "Seinfeld" characters! 😮Whew! 😂
Questions about Data's personhood... a continuing plot, especially in this season.
Rocketeer and Outrageous Okana within a week.
Elementary Dear Data was the first episode I thought really stood out up to this point. Episode 9 was when I knew this was the show for me. Looking forward to your reaction on that one 😊
The actor playing Captain Okana is the lead of the film "The Rocketeer" on continues to play Okana in the lower decks episode.
He was also in the running for the role of Riker before Jonathan Frakes was chosen.
The Okona character was also in Prodigy.
Yeah but we shouldn't talk about TLD.
He was also one of Lucy's suitors in "Bram Stokers Dracula".
The holodeck was such a genious invention. It allows them to tell any story and it's still always nominally sci-fi taking place on a starship.
Its also the ultimate bottle episode premise. They get to save money and use wardrobe and sets from other shows.
It replaced the TOS trope of “alien planet that is somehow also historical Earth analog” perfectly
The idea of artificial life actually goes back to antiquity. And the concept also appeared in much older films such as Metropolis (1927).🤖
going threw these old episodes that ive seen with my family as a kid has been surprisingly enjoying thanks Jen
Jen Murray: "Data is funny when he doesn't mean to be."
Me: "Yes that's why we long time fans love him!" 😂
The entirety of London as seen on the holodeck in this episode was actually built inside the holodeck set. Very clever set design allowed them to fit the streets and buildings all within that space.
The model of the H.M.S. Victory, Lord Nelson's flagship at the 1805 Battle of Trafalgar, was a Mantua kit. They were manufacturers of the highest quality wooden model ships and their model of the Victory was amongst the largest and most expensive that they offered at the time (even still today). Following this episode, the model was displayed in Gene Roddenberry's office in his home. I don't know what became of it after his wife Majel's (aka Nurse Chapel, Lwaxana Troi, and the voice of the computer) death.
Does Data have a soul ? I don't think so personally. But then, I don't think _we_ do either :). He's certainly a conscious being though, which is surely what matters.
(I used to live near where the actual HMS Victory is dry docked in the south of England and visited a few times - the ship's a museum nowadays and no longer seaworthy but _technically_ she's still commissioned in the Royal Navy, making her the oldest commissioned naval vessel in the world)
A double shot of two of my favorite episodes back to back. As a kid who loved sci fi and Sherlock Holmes, I was in heaven.
Can't wait for The Measure of a Man.
The best adaptations of the original Holmes stories are from the Grenada series in the 80s. Jeremy Brett’s portrayal IS Holmes from the stories and I highly recommend them.
Absolutely.
Sorry for missing the premiere of these episodes, Jen, I was delayed in getting home, both of these episodes are really good ones, particularly, 'Elementary, My Dear Data". I look forward to seeing you react to 'The Measure of a Man' which is one of the best Data episodes.
Agreed, Adam, Measure of a Man is excellent.
I love that Geordi's first idea is basically to have "AI" create a "new" mystery. The reason it doesn't work is the same reason why AI "art" and "writing" don't work in our time now. It's only copying pre-existing, human made art and writing. It doesn't matter how it jumbles them up, it's not going to have anything original. Data can solve anything the computer comes up with because he knows all the same things as the computer. It isn't until Moriarty achieves sentience that Data can be challenged. TNG so accurately predicting the problem 36 years ahead of time.
🔔 JEN: Trivia #2 -> In S2E4 the woman transporting the ship's captain and then subsequently awaited him in her quarters was none other than Teri Hatcher, co-star of the great TV series 'LOIS & CLARK: THE NEW ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN' (which series please react to)! Unfortunately almost all of her scenes in this ST:NG episode wound up on the cutting room floor and when she found out she told them not to bother to put her name in the credits. (Ouch!)
Also was a Bond Girl (Tomorrow Never Dies)
@@RangerChris61 Not to mention "Desperate Housewives"!
Yeah Lois and Clark is hardly her best known role
No spoilers for future episodes, but your questions will be questioned again in latter times. And a great episode
4:51 Mark! The writers are consistently inconsistent about the standardized measurement system being "Imperial" or "Metric"! We're left guessing that a mixed-up system survived the wars or that it is a character's preference based on where they were born and/or educated. Thus missing the point about "standardized"! I venture that it is lazy writers using their preferences! 😮
You should definitely react to the BBC Sherlock series.
The girl who beamed the "rogue" guy onto the ship is actress Teri Hatcher. She was a Bond girl in Tomorrow Never Dies. Pierce Brosnan was James Bond.
Teri Hatcher is also well known for her role as Lois Lane in the early 90s TV show: Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman. It went 4 seasons, I think.
Teri Hatcher is also known for her other TV show she did later called Desperate Housewives. Oh, and a movie with Sylvester Stallone and Kurt Russell called Tango and Cash. -OG
Tango and Cash is the most eighties action movie ever made, I love it. Unreservedly. I hope Jen reacts to it.
"Well, it's just that the unexpected is our normal routine."
@ 23:00 the holodeck screen says Ronald Moore's name. 😉
Also can't wait until you react to Star Trek Generations movie ! 👍
Fun fact: when they wrote Elementary Dear Data they believed the Sherlock Holmes novels were in public domain, this was not the case. This caused some friction with the family estate that owns the rights which led to a consequence which we will see further down the line in this shows history.
It's public domain now. Free (and legal) ebooks are available.
@@kevinlewallen4778 The copyright only fully expired in 2023 though
@@alexbruce9499 Interesting, I didn't know that.
Yes, in 2023 it entered in public domain, this was not the case in 1988.
Settling those legal issues is the reason why it will be 4 years before Moriarty returns.
Forgive me if I repeat myself, but no reactor makes Star Trek fun the way Jen does. Thanks for this Jen!
23:00 The name 'Ronald B. Moore' on the panel is an Okudagram in-joke referencing screenwriter and producer Ronald D. Moore.
That was the guy from the rocketeer and that was teri hatcher , supermsn and lois. Desperate housewifes and she eas in bond . ( tomorrow never dies)
Great reaction, Jen. There is an episode this season that tackles some of your questions about Data. You may have seen it by now. IMO. one if the best in the series.
ex machina is a great AI film jen
The problem with Polaski is, when Bones said those cruel things about Spock, his whole jovial demeanour made them funny. They pasted that dynamic on Polaski and Data without adjustment, but P just comes off as an ass, that is also incompatible with the other scraps of a character that she got.
He's not just accessing the computer, he's tied into the computer. Remember he is being generated BY the ship's computer, he's part of it. That's why he's able to summon up information that it would have.
Elementary Dear Data is the first truly epic episode of TNG. That's pretty much the reason I tend to just kind of want to forget the first season entirely. There was nothing close to this good in season 1. Once you've seen something like this, it's hard to go back. The best TNG episodes were all about timeless concepts. Like AI. Which is why it's still relevant.
Back then, it might have seemed a little silly to be thinking about computers becoming self aware and being a credible threat. The computers most ordinary people interacted with were little more than fancy calculators. The idea of playing a movie on a computer was mindblowing back then.
TNG was ahead of it's time but AI wasn't exactly a new concept in science fiction. It just hadn't been done very well very often.
The GRASS is always greener, on the other side of the fence.
Always look forward to Sundays because of these. So glad you are doing the Star Trek saga, also your enthusiasm and curiosity of the metaphysical questions it invokes really brings me back to being a kid talking about the latest episode or movie with my friends. Thanks Jen.
Jen, if you're interested in more Sherlock Holmes, I highly recommend The 1984 tv series starring Jeremy Brett or the series of films from the 1940s starring Basil Rathbone, both are excellent portrayals and are widely available on TH-cam.
Absolutely correct. They knock spots of the more recent reinterpretations of Sherlock, and anyone unfamiliar with the character should start with them to get a good grounding.
Fully agree, but would also suggest Basil Rathbone
I did. 🙂
This is what you get when not fully reading the post, so add Peter Cushing as well
Nothing like The Rocketeer hooking up with Lois Lane
I'm loving watching Jen go through the Star Trek episodes I grew up watching with my dad. Fun bit of trivia: keep an eye on the console behind Worf in the wide shots. You'll see pieces of black paper taped to the console to prevent the stage lights from reflecting towards the cameras. It's one of those things you can't unsee once you've noticed it.
Good timing with captain Okana right after seeing him in the Rocketeer 😁
Love that actor, damn near became became commander Riker
Terri Hatcher
i love that no matter how far-fetched or fucking weird the situation becomes that the crew finds themselves in, picard is always like 'yo thats literally nuts but lets all team up and dominate that fucking thing'. i love how they all have each others back and its like autobots lets roll out
AWESOME REACTION OF MY FAVORITE EPISODE OF STAR TREK THE NEXT GENERATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
🖖 The Trek may be long and perilous, but we must keep Trekking on! Go Next-Jen! 🖖
2:18 "Inspector who?" No, Geordi, you're getting your sci-fi shows mixed up - that's Doctor Who! 🤣
The theme tune was shortened because two names were removed the the title sequence: Denise Crosby and Gates McFadden. Note that Diana Muldaur gets a "guest star" credit in the 1st act, leaving the doctor's credit absent from the intro.
The "rogue" guy charming women on the Enterprise is the same guy who played Rocketeer in the Disney movie The Rocketeer. Co-starring Timothy Daltan (Bond actor) and Jennifer Connelly. -OG
Welp, I was today years old when I caught onto the fact that The Rocketeer hooked up with Lois Lane on TNG.
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It was elementary my dear number one, that you would enjoy the first episode of your weekly instalment.
Once again, much enjoyable, watching your reactions to Star Trek next gen.
Keep up the good work will be waiting for your next instalment next weekend .
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" I will still fill you with Crumpets Ma'am" Love that side of Moriarty
I still find it cute an android plays games and keeps a pet.
Great Data episode 😄