Issues aside, the industrial design of this thing is a joy to behold. I hope the team behind this product keeps working on improving it because this design alone deserves it. Great video as usual and have a nice week
This video is a perfect demonstration of why spring loaded tonearms are not used on better quality turntables; you usually find them combined with inexpensive ceramic cartridges with sapphire styli. Even if the tracking force on a spring balanced arm was right on the money at the correct height, the problem is that many records are not perfectly flat, and a radial warp would cause the tracking force to vary from too high to too low throughout the rotation of the record.
Yeah but it does mean you can play the record on an uneven surface, which is much more likely to be the case with a portable player. My Ion IPT-01 can play a record while fully vertical because of the sprung arm. These are not "better quality" turntables and are not intended to be
It seems like this company, Coturn, at least wants to continue to improve their product, and is taking proactive steps at continuing to squish any issues you may have had. Hell, the Sound Burger competition may speed up their efforts too.
Stopped being recommended your videos, and started getting spammed with suggestions of users I don't watch and aren't subscribed to. Glad I found my way back!
Kudos for them to keep the 18650 cells on sockets. That's great for repairability, given batteries WILL at one point degrade, and a standard size like that, not soldered even, is just the best option bar none. Sure... A separate door for that alone would be better but only marginally, considering it opens up with screws only and then you also access the belt, another thing easy to access and replace. And yes the headphone jack is very welcome as well.
I did hear the sound problems, but they were not at all annoying to me. Thank you for the review. I, too, would prefer the sound burger and work around the shortcomings.
As a child of the 1980s I really enjoy the content of your videos. You talk about the things that I lusted after in my youth and you show how they work, take them apart and repair them...all the stuff that makes my audio geek eyes light up. But you're also up-to-speed on modern technologies so you're able to straddle the worlds of the 1980s and 90s and the world of today, which is perfect for devices like the Coturn CT-01 and the Sound Burger. Keep up the fantastic work!
Even with slight imperfections in sound you still make some of the greatest content on TH-cam, I always look forward to a new video from you Matt and have done for years now.
That’s good of you to revise your video. I have nothing against Coturn and I’m sure 4g tracking force won’t chew up your records. With that in mind, a 450gbp turntable should track within the cartridge specs. Coturn needs to have a quality standard or they’ll never survive.
I watched the first upload and was typing a comment when the video was set to private. lol so this was what my original comment going to be. Also your content and dedication to being factual and honest is refreshing. Thank you for being you! My original comment was that I am a retired electrical engineer and when you commented about your sound quality problems, (I didn’t notice any but...) I was thinking that we had a lot of issues a few years ago with interference of LED lights with wireless equipment here in the US. It was just a thought. That may have just been our problem here in the states but I know it was a nightmare for us to figure out. It did not effect all wireless equipment but was a major issue on 30% or more wireless modules. I enjoy all your content and look forward to everything you publish. I wish you all the very best of health and happiness to you and your families!
I wondered what had happened to the original. I had watched it half way through before i had to leave for work this morning and when I got home the video was gone. Glad I can finish it now.
Good you revisited the part of the weight section Matt. I still think 4 grams is not an issue with this cartridge though. I wasn't aware, as yourself obviously that this device used a spring loaded arm. Great Video again.
What? Deliberately not watch a video from Techmoan? Parish the thought! Oh, and the sound issues were not that bad, I think you did a great job with editing. Thanks for posting!
Great vid - Little sound issues aren't that bad for me; the review and content is way more important and I really appreciate it! I have and use the new Sound Burger since two months now and I LOVE IT ! I can't tell if the speed changed over time as I don't have what you got for testing, but my ears are happy... :) Looking at the Coturn, it looks awesome too, but I'm a bit concerned about the arm over time. Like you demonstrated it, but also the push/release/push/closing mechanism that I'm a bit afraid over the usage and years to come... I might be totally wrong tho. I really like that there's a competitor tho! I'm wondering if AudioTechnica will improve the 2022 SB version (probably eh?). PS: Let the notifications on as I almost missed this video ;)
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Thank you for sharing your great video. These things are imposible to get in Argentina with 400% inflation so you help us to admire what is to live in a normal country. Cheers from Patagonia
With some research, it became obvious that the force generally needs to be measured at the exact height of record suface. I thought that your scale might be designed to mimic the thickness of a record, and you are supposed to use it right on the platter. But the platter of the CT-01 is quite small. It does look like the force still is too high based on your testing. Kudos on the quick edit and reupload. Hopefully COTURN will be back to comment.
Another excellent presentation. I remember saying a year ago there must have been a fistfight in a conference room somewhere the day after the Techmoan review. Today I would pay the premium price for this one over the Soundburger if I were in the market for one of them. (I digitize my LPs on the first play. In analog days I would record them on reel-to-reel or a high-end cassette. machine.)
Sound Burger is coming back? That IS good news. I have a very neat Klipsch The Three that would pair of beautifully with the Sound Burger as a space saving and slick package...
Excellent episode. I want the Coturn but I will buy the Soundburger. The price difference is too obvious to ignore. And by the time I pay in Canadian funds and shipping, it will be a dear amount already. Great channel by the way
It's funny, because I prefer the design of the Soundburger. I'm tired of featureless black slabs with touch-sensitive "buttons" that just leave me mashing at random patches of glass.
Thank you for explanation of these devices ... Your keen honesty makes you a celeberty in my home ... I am amazed on how patient you are ...i was wondering if those devices have a built in speaker ? ... Any way thank you. ... Much love and respect ...
You all might already know this but the wow and flutter can often be made better by simply making sure your record is on the table 100% centered. My point is that the center peg might not be exact, or maybe a bit wobbly, the record center hole might be a bit off. So carefully put your needle on the record and watch it, if it go back and forth / side to side you will have more wow, so you have to tap the record on the edge gently until you have no more side to side swing.
Are you kidding? I have heard too many TH-cam videos where I could not understand the speaker, despite technical difficulties, I could hear you perfectly, Mat. And my hearing sucks. True Techmoan fans will watch anyway!
This has been a very welcome video as I'm considering adding a budget record player to my home office (I have a larger audio rig, but no space for it at my HO). The Coturn is definitely more stylish and sophisticated in design than the SB, but can't bring myself to plunk almost 500€ (plus import) for such a thing. As long as my records don't get destroyed anything is ok with me (I'm used to tracking forces of 2.5g or less)... I think I'd rather go find some used thing on eBay. xD
Thanks for the further investigation, which certainly removes much head scratching, wondering how such little overhang behind the pivot could possibly counterbalance all that mass in front of the pivot.
229 Euros for the Soundburger? Cripes, I should buy some and sell them online. They're selling for NTD$5800 in Taiwan, which is only 179 Euros. I bought my "portable" record player (Numark PT-01 Scratch) for it's compactness and use in a tiny apartment, not to carry around. Those two look good, but somehow don't look as sturdy.
What immediately kills this thing for me, disregarding the price, is that straight tonearm without any offset for the cartridge. It's sad to see that the fundamentals of turntable desing seem do get increasingly forgotten (for the looks?). Just look at the AT for comparison.
@@johni1842 That's what I had been asking myself, and for that reason I now had another look at the company's home page. It was there that it dawned on me: Not only *is* the cartridge dead-straight on the photos there, this is also an underhung tonearm (effective lenght of the arm shorter than pivot-spindle distance), as can clearly be seen in the video from 10:42. An underhung tonearm is a fundamentally flawed design in itself, and only good for 'turntablism'.
Another important difference between the Soundburger and Coturn is that while the first has adopted the normal overhang, the latter is underhung which makes me wonder how does it behave in terms of distortion...
You can hear it in the sound comparison. Illustrates how important that factor is, considering they use the same cartridge (even with tracking force differences)
Oh man, I can't wait to come back to this video during the Spring of 2023 and potentially comment on there being a headphone socket on the 2023 Sound Burger!
And also the weight calculation is for improving the sound quality, less concerned about damaging the record or the stylus. If weight is more the stylus won't be able to more freely so you have to compromise on the higher notes.. And if the weight is too less then the stylus will not be able to follow the Grove..all MM cartridges are limited to less weight 5grms or less..
This video didn't land in my sub box. Was it because the notification was turned off on your end? Oh well, glad I caught it. Not in the market for a turntable, but I like the Burger.
If you hadn't have mentioned the sound problems, I don't think I would have noticed them; as it is I had forgot about the sound issues until you mentioned them a the end.
I came to find this because I still had the original tab open. I really hate losing my history when things are taken down. I just wish everything could be archived forever. Guess I should finally watch this and close the tab now.
Thanks for reminding me of this thing. Cancelled my audioTechnica backorder that's been sitting for months now and bought this thing instead. I'd rather support their efforts in improving this design than continue to wait for who knows how long for AT to deliver something that doesn't have all the features people asked for and I especially don't want to pay someone 100% markup on ebay for one they preordered to sell.
Really they are both novelty players. As someone who has designed and built turntables and set up thousands over forty years, I can confidently say, re. performance differences between these two, don't worry about it.
the AT is far from a novelty player. It's well designed and constructed portable dependable player.. at least the original one is. You designed and built turntables? for what company? Or are you talking building plinth that you drop off the shelf components into... that's different than what I think you're trying to say. Maybe you can show your audience what you built (thousands) over all those years. I'm sincerely interested in what you're referring to. Let's see some examples.
@@SPINNINGMYWHEELS777 You start out with an opinion then proceed to tear the bloke apart, why ? and I think in the Turnable world they would be classed as a 'novelty' I mean "Sound Burger" WTF is that all about. So let's see your credentials then.
If I remember the soundburger had a line out, so technically you can buy a small portable headphone amp and used with headphones, not as elegant or sleek, but it works, and I bet it still costs less than the other player
I wonder what is causing the speed issues in the sound burger when playing 45s? I will probably buy a sound burger when they come back out in the spring as it's a lot cheaper and I assume you have to pay import duties on the Coturn. Great video, and I didn't have an issue with the sound. Thanks
12:18 The reason why we love your videos. Any device given for review (I know this one wasn't, you paid for it) is CLEARLY marked (unlike other people do) and is honest. And then we have this, actually explaining why a video has been re-uploaded. The openness of this channel is why I continue to watch, even if not interested in audio, you just have a habit/skill of making the videos interesting.
Techmoan is "technology Sir David Attenborough". With his calming, pleasant voice he takes me back in time to place where life was simpler, place when I was young and still amazed.
Great video as usual, despite the microphone clickety. Given the non-1982-ness we find ourselves in... what is the use case for these things? As a piece of design it is pretty awesome, and the specs seem surprisingly good. But I am trying to picture a person with this and some records under their arm on their way to... where? It's not just the tech that has changed, but our whole relationship with recorded music and each other.
it's nice this cheaper player has the ability to swap an AT cart - .. those spring loaded arm players are ancient tech..they work well in most cases but you'll never get the same tracking force from one to another.. it's a bit random due to the nature of the spring they used and the physical nature of it. The spring arms also have a tendency to fly off the record with high amplitude cut recordings - like a disco or hip hop 12". at least in my experience.. i always have to put a penny on the head.
Did anyone else notice during the audio test that the stereo panning doesn't quite line up between the two devices? It's as if the audio from the Coturn has been slightly re-balanced to the left (i.e. the right channel sounds quieter on the Coturn than on the Sound Burger)
Isn't the wow and flutter a function of the concentricity of the grooves to the spindle. Most vinyl grooves are not concentric to the center hole and you can see that by watching the tonearm sway back and forth. Would that show up on both those players as an incorrect measurement? Thanks so much for your videos. - John
Entirely likely you've already received hundreds of comments about this, but I'd be really interested to hear your thoughts about Victrola's entry into the portable battery operated turntable world, the revolution go. I was skeptical at first but it's actually got an AT3600 cartridge and tracks at like 3.5g. I've hardly seen anything about it online, seems like it kinda flew under the radar.
Still the sound burger seems a much better choice to me. Spring loaded tonearms as already mentioned in the comments is not a good design let alone for a turntable with a minimal platter like these, and also as you demonstrate a very slight difference in height makes a big difference in tracking force so wobbly records will have various pressure values throughout their surface so it is a no for me. Cheers from Greece.
So adjusting needlepressure is not possible i presume... was thinking of buying one to take with me to elderly people who sold their hifi but not their records just wanted to make them enjoy their own records once again with bluetooth headphones.... so i really would like to spend the E400.... but not wanting to ruin their records with 4.5 gram needle pressure makes me hesitate. Thanks for the review👍
Do we know that the sound burger that hits retail shelves will be exactly the same as the limited edition? They very well might throw a headphone jack onto it before going into production
Since the tone arm is spring loaded, is it possible to access the spring and increase the tension on it, possibly by moving the loop up a bit? that could make it so you can adjust the tracking force yourself. I've seen people do something similar on other spring loaded tone arms
The speed issue with the Sound Burger may have been due to temperature, the cheaper adjustable pots are sensitive to temperature differences and can move due to changes such as storage in a colder environment or warmer environment.
Any mention on the quality of the pre-amps on these things? Is there a phono out? or just line? Im asking beause id like to plug these into my mixer and bypass the preamps which are probably not great quality... but just wondering if any of you had any comments on the ones built in.
While I appreciate the thought in not wanting to spam people, I do wish you would have left the notification on for subscribers! I've been busy lately so the original video was in my watch later, marked as "private video", and I only realized what it was by searching for the video ID and happening upon a cached page somewhere with the title. Then I had to go to the channel and find it there. Had that cached page not existed I never would have realized I missed a techmoan video!
I didn't hear any sound issues. The Coturn is much nicer looking in my opinion and seems slightly better quality but I'm not sure I'd pay almost double.
i just bought the sound burger. i wish they had just added a way to adjust volume for the line out and bluetooth directly on the product, but i am gonna get it in this saturday. that being said the coturn is very sleek and more portable than the soundburger, but the price is too premium for me, sick design if it was a better price point i would definetly consider cause both of these are perfect for when you are out and about and digging.
A Techmoan video, more anticipated than the Superbowl commercials!
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Issues aside, the industrial design of this thing is a joy to behold. I hope the team behind this product keeps working on improving it because this design alone deserves it. Great video as usual and have a nice week
This video is a perfect demonstration of why spring loaded tonearms are not used on better quality turntables; you usually find them combined with inexpensive ceramic cartridges with sapphire styli. Even if the tracking force on a spring balanced arm was right on the money at the correct height, the problem is that many records are not perfectly flat, and a radial warp would cause the tracking force to vary from too high to too low throughout the rotation of the record.
Those were my thoughts as well. Also, I'd expect this to be even worse with record changers! The old BSR ones usually had spring-loaded tonearms.
@@BG101UK Ooh, good point. That completely slipped my mind.
Constant force springs are a thing.
Yeah but it does mean you can play the record on an uneven surface, which is much more likely to be the case with a portable player. My Ion IPT-01 can play a record while fully vertical because of the sprung arm. These are not "better quality" turntables and are not intended to be
@@DeathMayBeYourSantaClausz Maybe, but you're not getting the correct stylus pressure.
It seems like this company, Coturn, at least wants to continue to improve their product, and is taking proactive steps at continuing to squish any issues you may have had. Hell, the Sound Burger competition may speed up their efforts too.
Stopped being recommended your videos, and started getting spammed with suggestions of users I don't watch and aren't subscribed to.
Glad I found my way back!
Kudos for them to keep the 18650 cells on sockets. That's great for repairability, given batteries WILL at one point degrade, and a standard size like that, not soldered even, is just the best option bar none. Sure... A separate door for that alone would be better but only marginally, considering it opens up with screws only and then you also access the belt, another thing easy to access and replace.
And yes the headphone jack is very welcome as well.
I did hear the sound problems, but they were not at all annoying to me.
Thank you for the review. I, too, would prefer the sound burger and work around the shortcomings.
As a child of the 1980s I really enjoy the content of your videos. You talk about the things that I lusted after in my youth and you show how they work, take them apart and repair them...all the stuff that makes my audio geek eyes light up. But you're also up-to-speed on modern technologies so you're able to straddle the worlds of the 1980s and 90s and the world of today, which is perfect for devices like the Coturn CT-01 and the Sound Burger.
Keep up the fantastic work!
Even with slight imperfections in sound you still make some of the greatest content on TH-cam, I always look forward to a new video from you Matt and have done for years now.
Fantastic as always, thank you for your videos, I look forward to them every week!
That’s good of you to revise your video. I have nothing against Coturn and I’m sure 4g tracking force won’t chew up your records. With that in mind, a 450gbp turntable should track within the cartridge specs. Coturn needs to have a quality standard or they’ll never survive.
I appreciate your efforts to get out the best information you can ,thank you.
Very nice video! I appreciate your attention to detail and your desire to dig deep into the technical issues and comparisons! Very, very well done!
I watched the first upload and was typing a comment when the video was set to private. lol so this was what my original comment going to be. Also your content and dedication to being factual and honest is refreshing. Thank you for being you! My original comment was that I am a retired electrical engineer and when you commented about your sound quality problems, (I didn’t notice any but...) I was thinking that we had a lot of issues a few years ago with interference of LED lights with wireless equipment here in the US. It was just a thought. That may have just been our problem here in the states but I know it was a nightmare for us to figure out. It did not effect all wireless equipment but was a major issue on 30% or more wireless modules. I enjoy all your content and look forward to everything you publish. I wish you all the very best of health and happiness to you and your families!
That’s proper dedication that you were made aware of a potential issue, so you took it down and reshot the segment to get a more accurate reading.
I admire your dedication to the art of tracking force measurement. I'm not watching the whole video twice but I did find the "corrected" bit.
i must say the sound quality on either device is surprisingly good. Warm rich sounds from such small devices. Nice video, dispite the mic issues!
thanks for the extra work you took to reupload this. I know it took all day! Cheers
My man literally re-uploaded the video itself with the fixed error, what a lad.
I was halfway through when you took it down. Glad it's back so I can finish.
I wondered what had happened to the original. I had watched it half way through before i had to leave for work this morning and when I got home the video was gone. Glad I can finish it now.
Always enjoy watching your vids Mat (Even thou it was a REVISED RE-UPLOAD) the sound (even thou I did notice it a bit) was not a problem!!! 🙂🚂🚂🚂
Another steady and good video from you as usual techmoan
What is happening with youtube? I literally can't find this video in my subscription box...and what a gem it is!
Great video, Matt. Love your reviews.
Good you revisited the part of the weight section Matt.
I still think 4 grams is not an issue with this cartridge though.
I wasn't aware, as yourself obviously that this device used a spring loaded arm.
Great Video again.
Tip top review. Thanks again for the wonderful video Matt!!!
Another fantastic product,featured on your channel !!
Will look forward to more of the same,in the future !!
What? Deliberately not watch a video from Techmoan? Parish the thought! Oh, and the sound issues were not that bad, I think you did a great job with editing. Thanks for posting!
Great vid - Little sound issues aren't that bad for me; the review and content is way more important and I really appreciate it!
I have and use the new Sound Burger since two months now and I LOVE IT ! I can't tell if the speed changed over time as I don't have what you got for testing, but my ears are happy... :)
Looking at the Coturn, it looks awesome too, but I'm a bit concerned about the arm over time. Like you demonstrated it, but also the push/release/push/closing mechanism that I'm a bit afraid over the usage and years to come... I might be totally wrong tho. I really like that there's a competitor tho! I'm wondering if AudioTechnica will improve the 2022 SB version (probably eh?).
PS: Let the notifications on as I almost missed this video ;)
Thank you for sharing your great video. These things are imposible to get in Argentina with 400% inflation so you help us to admire what is to live in a normal country. Cheers from Patagonia
Third time’s the charm, excited to finally see this video!
With some research, it became obvious that the force generally needs to be measured at the exact height of record suface. I thought that your scale might be designed to mimic the thickness of a record, and you are supposed to use it right on the platter. But the platter of the CT-01 is quite small. It does look like the force still is too high based on your testing. Kudos on the quick edit and reupload. Hopefully COTURN will be back to comment.
I missed the memo on the sound burger. Thanks for the update!
Very pleasant to hear Mat. With All The Best Wishes for you and your family-
hajimurad from dagestan.
Another excellent presentation. I remember saying a year ago there must have been a fistfight in a conference room somewhere the day after the Techmoan review. Today I would pay the premium price for this one over the Soundburger if I were in the market for one of them. (I digitize my LPs on the first play. In analog days I would record them on reel-to-reel or a high-end cassette. machine.)
If it's a spring-loaded arm, it's probably possible to adjust the force without adding a weight to it.
I got a notification for it despite watching it this morning.
Doesn't bother me, I'm actually glad to get the additional information.
Sound Burger is coming back? That IS good news. I have a very neat Klipsch The Three that would pair of beautifully with the Sound Burger as a space saving and slick package...
Excellent episode. I want the Coturn but I will buy the Soundburger. The price difference is too obvious to ignore. And by the time I pay in Canadian funds and shipping, it will be a dear amount already. Great channel by the way
Interesting about the tracking force, thanks for the update.
I think it's design is super cool! It really shows what the soundburger could have been if it was made today!
The Soundburger is being made today.
Also, *its. Though I do agree, it's a better designed product.
@@ianrobertson2634 I know that, but this design was made in the current age, the new one is very similar to the 80s one.
@@carlhartwell7978 It it nice and sleek!
It's funny, because I prefer the design of the Soundburger. I'm tired of featureless black slabs with touch-sensitive "buttons" that just leave me mashing at random patches of glass.
Thank you for explanation of these devices ... Your keen honesty makes you a celeberty in my home ... I am amazed on how patient you are ...i was wondering if those devices have a built in speaker ? ... Any way thank you. ... Much love and respect ...
Mister Taylor, you have shown your quality, sir - the very highest.
You all might already know this but the wow and flutter can often be made better by simply making sure your record is on the table 100% centered. My point is that the center peg might not be exact, or maybe a bit wobbly, the record center hole might be a bit off.
So carefully put your needle on the record and watch it, if it go back and forth / side to side you will have more wow, so you have to tap the record on the edge gently until you have no more side to side swing.
Very enjoyable video! Even a bit of drama with crashing the stylus around! ;^)
Are you kidding? I have heard too many TH-cam videos where I could not understand the speaker, despite technical difficulties, I could hear you perfectly, Mat. And my hearing sucks.
True Techmoan fans will watch anyway!
This has been a very welcome video as I'm considering adding a budget record player to my home office (I have a larger audio rig, but no space for it at my HO). The Coturn is definitely more stylish and sophisticated in design than the SB, but can't bring myself to plunk almost 500€ (plus import) for such a thing. As long as my records don't get destroyed anything is ok with me (I'm used to tracking forces of 2.5g or less)... I think I'd rather go find some used thing on eBay. xD
Nice to see the Fidelio X2HR headphones in this. I’ve Been using them every day for about two years and adore them.
Thanks for the further investigation, which certainly removes much head scratching, wondering how such little overhang behind the pivot could possibly counterbalance all that mass in front of the pivot.
I love the appearing disappearing reappearing feature, highly underrated 😂
Oh hey! I was watching this last night and wondered why I couldn't find it earlier today.
229 Euros for the Soundburger? Cripes, I should buy some and sell them online. They're selling for NTD$5800 in Taiwan, which is only 179 Euros. I bought my "portable" record player (Numark PT-01 Scratch) for it's compactness and use in a tiny apartment, not to carry around. Those two look good, but somehow don't look as sturdy.
What immediately kills this thing for me, disregarding the price, is that straight tonearm without any offset for the cartridge. It's sad to see that the fundamentals of turntable desing seem do get increasingly forgotten (for the looks?). Just look at the AT for comparison.
If you look closely, the cartridge is mounted on a slight angle to the tonearm. So there was some thought and design considered here...
@@johni1842 That's what I had been asking myself, and for that reason I now had another look at the company's home page. It was there that it dawned on me: Not only *is* the cartridge dead-straight on the photos there, this is also an underhung tonearm (effective lenght of the arm shorter than pivot-spindle distance), as can clearly be seen in the video from 10:42. An underhung tonearm is a fundamentally flawed design in itself, and only good for 'turntablism'.
That’s the video I was waiting for
i hope the coturn gets things sorted out as its very slick looking , reminds me of bang and olifson from the 70s
Another important difference between the Soundburger and Coturn is that while the first has adopted the normal overhang, the latter is underhung which makes me wonder how does it behave in terms of distortion...
Yes, I noticed the apparent lack of overhang and cartridge offset angle which means the tracking error is going to be very high on the Coturn.
You can hear it in the sound comparison. Illustrates how important that factor is, considering they use the same cartridge (even with tracking force differences)
Listening to these videos with headphones is more enjoyable.
Thanks Again Matt.
Great Video.
Mike M.
Oh man, I can't wait to come back to this video during the Spring of 2023 and potentially comment on there being a headphone socket on the 2023 Sound Burger!
And also the weight calculation is for improving the sound quality, less concerned about damaging the record or the stylus. If weight is more the stylus won't be able to more freely so you have to compromise on the higher notes.. And if the weight is too less then the stylus will not be able to follow the Grove..all MM cartridges are limited to less weight 5grms or less..
Sound being bad, just reminds us how good it is in all you other videos!! Thanks you for making great stuff!! Also the sound was not that bad.
This video didn't land in my sub box. Was it because the notification was turned off on your end? Oh well, glad I caught it. Not in the market for a turntable, but I like the Burger.
That's exactly it. I was still expecting it in my sub box though.
If you hadn't have mentioned the sound problems, I don't think I would have noticed them; as it is I had forgot about the sound issues until you mentioned them a the end.
I came to find this because I still had the original tab open. I really hate losing my history when things are taken down. I just wish everything could be archived forever. Guess I should finally watch this and close the tab now.
This thing looks so tempting...
Thanks for reminding me of this thing. Cancelled my audioTechnica backorder that's been sitting for months now and bought this thing instead. I'd rather support their efforts in improving this design than continue to wait for who knows how long for AT to deliver something that doesn't have all the features people asked for and I especially don't want to pay someone 100% markup on ebay for one they preordered to sell.
liked it, thanks a lot, Mat! :D
A useful gadget when traveling to places where there is no player for vinyl records. Thanks.
Really they are both novelty players. As someone who has designed and built turntables and set up thousands over forty years, I can confidently say, re. performance differences between these two, don't worry about it.
the AT is far from a novelty player. It's well designed and constructed portable dependable player.. at least the original one is. You designed and built turntables? for what company? Or are you talking building plinth that you drop off the shelf components into... that's different than what I think you're trying to say. Maybe you can show your audience what you built (thousands) over all those years. I'm sincerely interested in what you're referring to. Let's see some examples.
Sounds like good common sense to me. Thanks.
@@SPINNINGMYWHEELS777 You start out with an opinion then proceed to tear the bloke apart, why ? and I think in the Turnable world they would be classed as a 'novelty' I mean "Sound Burger" WTF is that all about. So let's see your credentials then.
If I remember the soundburger had a line out, so technically you can buy a small portable headphone amp and used with headphones, not as elegant or sleek, but it works, and I bet it still costs less than the other player
I wonder what is causing the speed issues in the sound burger when playing 45s? I will probably buy a sound burger when they come back out in the spring as it's a lot cheaper and I assume you have to pay import duties on the Coturn. Great video, and I didn't have an issue with the sound. Thanks
Probably a faulty pot. All things that are easily adjusted with small analog screw pots depend heavily on the quality of that pot
That flywheel wobble though!! 17:53
3.5 for mine (was 5 when I first measured). I wonder if we can overstretch the spring a little to compensate
12:18 The reason why we love your videos. Any device given for review (I know this one wasn't, you paid for it) is CLEARLY marked (unlike other people do) and is honest. And then we have this, actually explaining why a video has been re-uploaded. The openness of this channel is why I continue to watch, even if not interested in audio, you just have a habit/skill of making the videos interesting.
Love it! I want one!
Techmoan is "technology Sir David Attenborough". With his calming, pleasant voice he takes me back in time to place where life was simpler, place when I was young and still amazed.
The specs with my spare ATN3600L show the tracking force as 3.0 to 4.0 g (3.5 g standard)
“The Event”? Nice That Mitchell and Webb Look reference. Remain indoors!
Great video as usual, despite the microphone clickety. Given the non-1982-ness we find ourselves in... what is the use case for these things? As a piece of design it is pretty awesome, and the specs seem surprisingly good. But I am trying to picture a person with this and some records under their arm on their way to... where? It's not just the tech that has changed, but our whole relationship with recorded music and each other.
If you want to reduce the tracking force a little you could trim off plastic from the stylus mount and remove the stylus guard.
it's nice this cheaper player has the ability to swap an AT cart - .. those spring loaded arm players are ancient tech..they work well in most cases but you'll never get the same tracking force from one to another.. it's a bit random due to the nature of the spring they used and the physical nature of it. The spring arms also have a tendency to fly off the record with high amplitude cut recordings - like a disco or hip hop 12". at least in my experience.. i always have to put a penny on the head.
Did anyone else notice during the audio test that the stereo panning doesn't quite line up between the two devices? It's as if the audio from the Coturn has been slightly re-balanced to the left (i.e. the right channel sounds quieter on the Coturn than on the Sound Burger)
Isn't the wow and flutter a function of the concentricity of the grooves to the spindle. Most vinyl grooves are not concentric to the center hole and you can see that by watching the tonearm sway back and forth. Would that show up on both those players as an incorrect measurement? Thanks so much for your videos. - John
Entirely likely you've already received hundreds of comments about this, but I'd be really interested to hear your thoughts about Victrola's entry into the portable battery operated turntable world, the revolution go. I was skeptical at first but it's actually got an AT3600 cartridge and tracks at like 3.5g. I've hardly seen anything about it online, seems like it kinda flew under the radar.
Victrola used to "make" (read: get their logo printed on) Crosley clones, have they got something decent out now?
Great vid
Still the sound burger seems a much better choice to me. Spring loaded tonearms as already mentioned in the comments is not a good design let alone for a turntable with a minimal platter like these, and also as you demonstrate a very slight difference in height makes a big difference in tracking force so wobbly records will have various pressure values throughout their surface so it is a no for me. Cheers from Greece.
So adjusting needlepressure is not possible i presume... was thinking of buying one to take with me to elderly people who sold their hifi but not their records just wanted to make them enjoy their own records once again with bluetooth headphones.... so i really would like to spend the E400.... but not wanting to ruin their records with 4.5 gram needle pressure makes me hesitate. Thanks for the review👍
What is the name and model of the new mic that you were testing out? please, TIA. Stay safe and healthy.
Do we know that the sound burger that hits retail shelves will be exactly the same as the limited edition? They very well might throw a headphone jack onto it before going into production
Improved frequency response on the burger. Especially noticeably on the bass end. Could be the difference in the tracking force and tracking angle.
Since the tone arm is spring loaded, is it possible to access the spring and increase the tension on it, possibly by moving the loop up a bit? that could make it so you can adjust the tracking force yourself. I've seen people do something similar on other spring loaded tone arms
Some spring loaded tone arms have a tracking adjustment screw that changes the tension on the tone arm spring.
The speed issue with the Sound Burger may have been due to temperature, the cheaper adjustable pots are sensitive to temperature differences and can move due to changes such as storage in a colder environment or warmer environment.
So if it's a spring loading issue, doesn't that allow for an easier fix?
I wonder if you can change the tracking force by altering the spring. Or changing it out?
Any mention on the quality of the pre-amps on these things? Is there a phono out? or just line? Im asking beause id like to plug these into my mixer and bypass the preamps which are probably not great quality... but just wondering if any of you had any comments on the ones built in.
While I appreciate the thought in not wanting to spam people, I do wish you would have left the notification on for subscribers! I've been busy lately so the original video was in my watch later, marked as "private video", and I only realized what it was by searching for the video ID and happening upon a cached page somewhere with the title. Then I had to go to the channel and find it there. Had that cached page not existed I never would have realized I missed a techmoan video!
Your mic sound was fine to my ears.
I didn't hear any sound issues. The Coturn is much nicer looking in my opinion and seems slightly better quality but I'm not sure I'd pay almost double.
i just bought the sound burger. i wish they had just added a way to adjust volume for the line out and bluetooth directly on the product, but i am gonna get it in this saturday. that being said the coturn is very sleek and more portable than the soundburger, but the price is too premium for me, sick design if it was a better price point i would definetly consider cause both of these are perfect for when you are out and about and digging.