Should Vaush make more videos like this? He’s looking to do more debate reactions! Let us know! Thanks for the Memes Dylan. Original Video: th-cam.com/video/h8-rtBYTKF8/w-d-xo.html ⏱Timestamps! 0:00 Intro 5:42 Henry Kissinger & More Content? 8:05 Taiwan Context 17:05 Conspiracy Theorist 20:08 Bad Faith Actor 25:03 I Would Love For Him to substantiate His Claims 27:29 He Was a SOFT BOI 34:36 Going to War With China? 41:48 Dhar Mann Bad Guy 46:40 Name Drop 49:26 Airspace 54:58 Support for Independence? 1:02:35 Hypotheticals 1:13:11 Cope Laughing & Other Tactics 1:22:00 How Guys Like This Argue 1:25:00 He Won’t Answer! Shameless! 1:29:15 More Hypotheticals 1:35:30 The French 1:39:30 DSA Patch 1:45:20 Question for Chat 1:51:14 Criticism For Dylan 1:57:09 Chess with a Pigeon 2:06:54 Wikipedia Fu 2:12:00 Psychic Vaush 2:20:39 JH Coping 2:44:38 Accepting a Fundie 2:51:54 LIVE Shoe On Head Exposes 2:59:23 Am I a Sellout?
My friend once told me that "it's basically like if the US president declared Cuba an American State called Jefferson, and they ordered that anyone who says the word 'Cuba' be executed."
So by this guys logic Iran, North Korea, Antigua and Barbuda, Dominica, Grenada, St. Kitts and Nevis, St. Lucia, St. Vincent and the Grenadines and Guinea-Bissau are all not nations because they don't have US embassies..
Shockingly the “anti-imperialist” that defines a nation states status as an “actual” country by looking at the 2 largest imperialist nations and whether or not they define it as a country and also believes that any country that can’t defend itself with its own military doesn’t deserve to exist…. And explicitly included NATIVES rolled over by IMPERIALIST Britain and the US as not deserving to have country status…. is totally consistent and not at all full of shit
Hands down one of the most painful "debates" I have seen in a while. It's difficult to believe Jackson is a leftist and not actually an undercover alt-righter or a fed.
@@asherif3893 No, undercover federal agents sow discord amongst their targets. Feds wouldn't be so blatant as to try and get people to support the USA, instead they just would (and have) sow chaos in our ranks. Jackson, whether or not he's a fed, is sowing discord and chaos amongst the left. It might not be much but he is.
The man-toddler constantly mad and screaming reminded me why I don’t want kids. Jackson made me actually uncomfortable and anxious from how cringe he is.
The "if you can't defend your country, you don't deserve to have it" logic is exactly the same as saying "if you can't defend your bodily autonomy, you don't deserve to have it." What a goblin.
Which is why it makes sense for countries that can't defend themselves to become a part of a larger country that's willing to defend it. Hence countries like Israel, Ukraine and Taiwan can becomes states of USA like Alaska and Hawaii, rather than remain independent
Dylan burns head is a cube: all sides have equal dimensions, the plane angles are right angles, each of the faces meet the other four faces, each of the vertices meet the three faces and three edges, and the edges opposite to each other are freaking parallel!!! 🧊
Wow this guy took like 3 minutes to just get super hostile and immediately interpret everything as an attack. It is super defensive behavior and I honestly think Dylan did a great job dealing with it. I'd just immediately antagonize and troll if I was dealing with a guy like that.
11:50 YES!! Someone needed to say this! tankies and nazis will always discard inconvenient information by calling it Jewish or State dept. Glad you pointed this out
What about the Bay of Pigs? Cuba was only able to defend against US backed invasion forces because of intelligence and military support of the USSR. Does that mean that Cuba didn't have a right to exist due to their reliance on Soviet support? That's not hypothetical; that shit happened.
Difference between defense and offense weapons is crucial. e.x. anti-ballistic weapons is most effective against missles. You could try to use them in attack, but without defense and radar whey will be easiest target for defendant. Although, they could be used to attack geound targets, but its like you will try to kill anyone with helmet or bulletproof vest, instead of firearms
Throughout the Taiwan part of the debate Hinkle says that the US is trying to "turn China against Taiwan" (always has been, the CCP and Kuomintang never ended their war, and the KMT set up in Taiwan so...), that Taiwan is trying to disassociate with China (they already are disassociated from the PRC), that Taiwan has to declare independence (it doesn't, Taiwan has never been under the PRC's jurisdiction) and states Taiwan calls themselves China as supporting evidence that they're not independent (two countries cannot share the same geographic names, guess Korea, Congo, and Sudan are all singular states, German Democratic Republic? Federal Republic of Germany? Same country! The Berlin Wall was a lie!). I don't think Hinkle knows anything about Chinese history, hell, it doesn't seem like he has a good grasp on where Taiwan is. Ironically, for being such an anti-imperialist and anti-American imperialist in particular, Hinkle has an incredibly myopic uninformed view of the world like a stereotypical Bad American.
So Jabson makes an appeal to authority/popularity fallacy about Taiwan’s legitimacy, and then turns around and says the popular majority opinion of Taiwan doesn’t matter. Epic grift.
It makes sense for countries like Israel, Ukraine and Taiwan to become American States (like New York, Kansas, Texas, Alaska and Hawaii) rather than remain independent countries as they heavily rely on American military support. Might as well declare all of them American.
"It does literally everything an embassy does but it's not an embassy because America technically says it's not to not piss off China," yeah ok, very rational argument there.
“You’re parroting state department lines” One hour later: “he’s the Secretary of State, you’re gonna have to elaborate on why you don’t agree with him”
I love how at one point Dylan is actually trying to agree with... shit I forget his name already... and he's not having it because he just wants to railroad.
An example of a defensive weapon would be anti-air batteries. Those don't have a very practical offensive use. Electronic Warfare vehicles is another. Also America didn't get it's independence without help from another country...
oh this is so perfect my brain ADORES having this much stimulation. I hope vaush plays more games with debates, I love when he debates snd games at the same time, it's so fun
"All I did was kill 22 people, that's not mass murder if I don't call it mass murder guys, guys, if it's not called the thing, then it's not the thing, that's how things work"
"So you are an expert" "no it says 'advisor'" "yeah, that's what an expert would do".... [5 minutes later] "no, Taiwan doesn't have an embassy" "it does everything an embassy would do"...
And yes. AbsoLUTELY he should have asked "Is Palestine a country, yes or no?" or "Ok, the US doesn't recognize Palestine, so should they not count either?"
And GOD I wish Dylan just read this blurb verbatim: "The following _15 nations_ recognize Taiwan as a sovereign country: Guatemala, Honduras, Haiti, Paraguay, Nicaragua, Eswatini, Tuvalu, Nauru, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Marshall Isalnds, Palau, and Vatican City (United Nations non-member). *The United States maintained Taiwan's recognition for **_30 years_** after the Chinese civil war but switched in 1979.* Despite this, the U.S. has maintained a positive relationship with Taiwan, including offering the island military assistance, a move that has caused tension between the U.S. and China."
This guy's opinion is literally "If you cant defend yourself from a stronger military you don't have a right to exist" and he calls himself an anti imperialist, what a clown
@@nataliekhanyola5669 first of all, Taiwan is not trying to take back the mainland in anyway right now, because they would be obliterated. Second of all, if they relinquish that claim, China will see it as Taiwan declaring independence and will send its military to invade and “””””””retake””””””” it.
wow this goes off the rails INSTANTLY. "Name one thing an embassy does that the american institute in taiwan does not do? literally any one thing." "Uh, well BE AN EMBASSY." cool, dude. good talk.
@@tuntejaable he's right in the same way that it would be correct to say "A Chevy is not a Ford". Like yeah, sure, but they do the same things, and are practically the same in all but name.
It’s only a fact if you think what defines something is calling it that, and not how it functions, it’s the difference between a functional definition, and a purely subjective one.
@@tuntejaable It's just as hard to argue against that fact as it is to argue against the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea not being democratic, for the people or a republic. Literally the only argument for it not being an embassy is "well it's in the name".
"It doesn't have an embassy, it's not a country. It doesn't have an embassy, it's not a country. It doesn't have an embassy, it's not a country." When you accidentally keep talking to nurse Joy instead of leaving.
This guy: "I do not engage in hypotheticals" *spends almost 40 minutes arguing about a hypothetical 1948 situation where Israel does not get US support* This guy has less braincells than my girlfriend and i made her up just now
For a man who hates the "US government line"/"CIA speakingpoints" this man does value the US government's evaluation of what is and isn't a country a lot
Tbf him pointing out how US policy is openly hypocritical would normally be useful if he followed this point up intelligently. All he is doing is pointing out the US is a hypocrite that shapes its foreign policy for it's own interests. Something Dylan agrees with.
You're an expert. No. I don't call myself an expert. Well you function as an expert so you're an expert. Ok...well the Taiwanese embass- NOT AN EMBASSY! ...but it functions as an embassy so I'm gonna call it a- YOU CAN'T DO THAT!
That fucking thirty minutes hinkle spent on the foreign advisor/expert, and the “Taiwan isn’t a country” things kill me Gives me such Mike from P.A. Vibes 😆
@@Fuwutaba eep! I merely wondered if they consider themselves allies or rivals in the realms of clout & debate - at first. Now? Mental images of a StarshipUK Winder, featuring a Hinkle/Hankle 'smiler' & 'malevolence' Mike. Please do not mistake the above reference to Dr. Who as an invitation to talk about Dr. Who beyond this reference. The imagery of a Winder is what I think fits & I'm not aiming to wrench things off task.
When somebody acting as bad faith as Jackson has says “that’s an interesting point” it basically just means they think you’re just right but don’t want to say it.
By this guy's logic, if a nation can't defend itself without aid from another nation then pretty much every nation would be fucked. The world would be 3 countries, America Russia and China and that's it. America would end up conquering the north American and south American content, Russia would conquer pretty much all of europe and parts of the middle east and China would take all of Asia and the rest of the middle east. That's if we were to go down the rabbit hole he wants to go down.
Jabsons mom:"Hey son, stay out of the street because it's dangerous." Jabson:"How is it dangerous" Jabsons mom:"Well you could get hit by a car and-" Jabson:"STOP I WILL NOT ENGAGE WITH YOUR HYPOTHETICALS GIVE ME A REAL LIFE INSTANCE OF ME BEING HIT BY A CAR!"
Vaush gets criticized for calling his opponents mentally ill, but goddamn, I see it so hard, and I feel like any introspective or psychologically literate person should. It think Vaush is UNDERstating how incredibly insecure and narcissisistic this dude is.
He started off aggressive when he said he's changed his strategy to include debating nobodies, therefore he will now debate Dylan. He was disingenuous from the get-go.
The reason the alpha posturing actually works for Vaush is because in reality he is a feminist and and LGBTQ advocate etc. Doing alpha posturing while just being an open misogynist is just embarrassing
Deconstructing the label "alpha posturing", to me it just seems like Vaush has discarded ego from his debates. He is open to being corrected, and not afraid to say when he is ignorant about something. When you don't need to protect your ego, because ego is not part of intellectually honest discourse, it can seem like fearlessness. When someone pretends to have the same lack of fear in discourse, yet definitely have a fragile ego that is all tied up with a need to never be wrong, then it looks weak sauce.
@@eelvis1674 Okay. I'm very new to Vaush, so I'm just saying what I see from the limited content I've consumed so far. Having trouble differentiating ironic memeing from sincerity sometimes. But that's okay, all I care about is the points being made :)
@@smaakjeks he used to be a deal more hard-headed and aggressive (not to mention crass lol) I usually find his new attitude makes for more interesting conversations, but sometimes when he's talking to someone with really boring, tired opinions, I wish he would just rip into them a bit more.
You confuse Hinkle for a person with principles or consistency or enough braincells to think that far. Everyone needs to stop talking to him, at this point.
This guy is so out of his depth I don't think that the guy knows where Tiawan is, he even seemed confused when Dylan mentioned there being a sea between China and Tiawan
If you don't even know where the place is then that should instantly invalidate any opinions you have on what they can even do with their weapons. Sure, let me just casually sail these tanks out onto the Chinese mainland so I can use them offensively, lol. We'll just casually fire these AK's wildly in the air to precision snipe Chinese soldiers across the ocean. You don't understand, those Tiawan soldiers are nuts! They're going to be able to use these grenades offensively directly against China without even leaving the island! People in Hong Kong are just going to glance up and 30 grenades will just fall from the sky and cause mass destruction simultaneously, it's crazy!
This is absolutely why I subscribed in the first place - I didn't get to see you actually debate people until I was already deep into the Vaush content. Seeing you dissect other arguments and break it down is my favorite content you do - video games or not. Though Bloodborne in the background was always funny to watch.
Jackson: They have no embassy. Dylan: Yes they do... they have a de facto embassy. Jackson: That's not an embassy. Dylan: It functions as an embassy. Jackson: No it doesn't. Dyland: Name one thing an embassy does that a de facto embassy doesn't do. Jackson: REEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
Dylan is nice and friendly for 5 minutes straight from the start and still this guy seems to take every single word like an insult... what is going on...
He’s trying compensate the fact that he’s wrong with coming across as aggressive a dominant in the debate. Trying fake it until he makes it essentially. However 15 minutes into this video he’s effectively revealed himself as an idiot. The concept of if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, flies like a duck, it’s obviously a duck; is obviously beyond him.
“Prove that they won’t use the weapons offensively!” In this case, we can actually prove the negative. They won’t use the weapons offensively because they have a vested interest in continuing to exist.
@@turbojerko_ 1. We secure support in that area 2. We give them the ability to hold out in a potential conflict which increases our strategic options 3. We can make money of it which is always nice but is not the most important part.
@@seanmac1793 dude its not the point. If china unfairly wages attacks on its territory of taiwan then the world can decide on how to deal with china. Its so bs and just plainly obvious that the usa only does things for its own good. Stop messing with the world stol policing and start acting more diplomatic. Everyone sees through these games and it wont end up good for us.
@@turbojerko_oh so Taiwan shouldn't have a modern miltary? China should be able to conquer them before the rest of the world can react? Of course the US does things out of self interest it's called forgein policy. For better and for worse the US is the world police and that matters. We can't just not do anti piracy without losing a ton of diplomatic power. Do you want China to be the world police because there is always a world police before us it was the British and as sorrid as our record is I think we have done a better job than the British Empire
1:37:47 - "He was opening a window to let the hyperthetical out" This is it, guys. The epitome of humour. We peaked. JFC. I laughed so hard my eyes welled up.
"Go ahead! Say it! Say it!" He then proceeds to yell every single time Dylan says anything, to the point where Dylan has to ask for Jackson to stop interrupting
Fun historical fact: The political entity of the PRC has never held the island of Taiwan in the country's history. Taiwan was an imperial possession of the Qing Dynasty which ruled China, then Japan invaded and occupied it as an imperial possession, then it was given to the Republic of China after WW2.
Yet the PRC continues their unfounded claim. It seems pretty distasteful, too, as it echoes the logic of Israeli claims to Palestinian land based on cultural association rather than legal right. The ROC claim for the mainland feels similarly unfounded.
@@JosephKerr27 unfounded, but... in a real realpolitik sense, they can't leave an autonomous state allied with foreign interests to have such a geographical position. At best, I imagine Taiwan could come up with a Guantonamo Bay style compromise in the future.
@@JosephKerr27 I don't think that comparison holds 'cause Taiwan and Mainland have a history as a single country, but that country was technically a different one than the one that now inhabits Mainland. So on a legal level it seems reasonable to me too that the country called PRC has no claim over Taiwan (and vice versa). But since PRC and ROC are basically founded by the two factions contending for power over the single territory, it's predictable that each one claims the other.
@@waltergrace565 i mean, well... regardless of the 'justice' of the issue, its bad security policy. Similarly with Guantanomo Bay. Leaving aside the awful human rights stuff, most of that is a large naval base for US power projection, 'rented' off the Cubans quite some time ago in a compromise. We were afraid enough of Soviet warships 'in our backyard' and so the Cuban government did a security deal, of sorts. It meant that we stopped trying to overthrow the main island militarily, for the most part, as our security rationale was satisfied. Now its China, a growing economic power, and they have the same concerns about US naval and air bases inside a certain geography. Its rational behavior, like it or not. Again; i am in no way condoning or defending their actions, simply explaining what I believe to be part of their reasoning here.
Just to mildly correct (more like expand on the matter) a little bit, Taiwan was not exactly given to ROC after WW2. ROC was put in charge of occupation after Japanese surrendered, and then on their own declared it was a part of China (Japan doesn't care, but it's an important historical detail for the Taiwanese independence movement). It's pretty important to understand that Taiwanese independence movement has always been divergent from mainland politics, and that the period of Japanese colonial rule (and then the 28 Incident and subsequent KMT martial law) did set Taiwan and Taiwanese identity on a part apart from that of the mainland. Taiwan has been separate from China for over a hundred and twenty years now, the situation is such that the PRC's claims are really well beyond even some Sudetenland level of bullshit justifications (and the KMT's claims on the mainland all the more comical if anyone there still takes them seriously).
I feel your pain, I was so upset my hands were shaking. The Vaush reaction is so much better because you get brief pauses from Joofson Tinkle's insufferability
It's almost like he'll say what ever in the moment that supports his point of view even if it is completely contradictory to what he has all ready said.
I love how when Dylan mutes the guy and says "I'm muting you" 1:54:15 you can see that he's still talking. He's physically incapable of waiting and listening, it's like a reflex.
I watched the debate on Dylan's channel and this Jackson kid didn't engage with the subject...he was successful in taking advantage of Dylan's good faith engagement and derailing the conversation away from the subject completely. This kid is a Jersey Shore wannabe trying to grift his way to fame with badfaith debate bro meta.
Most of these types are that way. Left leaning folks have to realize you can not reason with them. Unless you have mad skills at debate better to get them into a rage and mock them.
Couldn't have said it better myself How pathetic and bad faith do you have to be to call other people imperialists while also justifying the might makes right argument and refusing to engage when people call you out on doing that. Absolutely sad.
For people who don't know: for a country to be "officially" recognised as one i.e. a member of the UN, they require the UN security council to vote to confirm them as a member by a majority as well as having all 5 of the permanent members of the security council (USA, France, UK, Russia and China) to vote in favour so regardless of whether America recognises Taiwan as a country in an "official" manner doesn't matter because China will never be in favour of it. So Jackson's triade on America offically recognising Taiwan is irrelevant because it doesn't matter what America does in this regard it matters what the security council as whole does together.
@@tuntejaable By that logic the nations of the world that do recognise Palestine as a country independant of Israel should just accept Palestine will never be a country because America is never going to accept it, or any other autnomious region which doesn't have the full support of the security council. Why should the world turn its back on states without "official recognition".
@@LeeHutchy26 It's sad maybe you should lobby the US government to accepting them. That doesn't change th fact that Taiwan is not a country. Never was and never will.
@@tuntejaable If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck its probably a duck you could try calling it something else but will still be a duck. You have to substantiate your point beyond simply saying it is not a country or never will be a country otherwise its just empty words.
@@LeeHutchy26 it actually doesn't sound or look anything like a duck. It's just a random bird and you are saying since it's a bird it basically is a duck.
Should Vaush make more videos like this? He’s looking to do more debate reactions! Let us know! Thanks for the Memes Dylan.
Original Video: th-cam.com/video/h8-rtBYTKF8/w-d-xo.html
⏱Timestamps!
0:00 Intro
5:42 Henry Kissinger & More Content?
8:05 Taiwan Context
17:05 Conspiracy Theorist
20:08 Bad Faith Actor
25:03 I Would Love For Him to substantiate His Claims
27:29 He Was a SOFT BOI
34:36 Going to War With China?
41:48 Dhar Mann Bad Guy
46:40 Name Drop
49:26 Airspace
54:58 Support for Independence?
1:02:35 Hypotheticals
1:13:11 Cope Laughing & Other Tactics
1:22:00 How Guys Like This Argue
1:25:00 He Won’t Answer! Shameless!
1:29:15 More Hypotheticals
1:35:30 The French
1:39:30 DSA Patch
1:45:20 Question for Chat
1:51:14 Criticism For Dylan
1:57:09 Chess with a Pigeon
2:06:54 Wikipedia Fu
2:12:00 Psychic Vaush
2:20:39 JH Coping
2:44:38 Accepting a Fundie
2:51:54 LIVE Shoe On Head Exposes
2:59:23 Am I a Sellout?
fun fact: you read this in your head
Yes he should
yes pls
Yes I would like to see Vaushs perspective on everybody else in the online left.
I think it would be useful, even if this dude is insufferable.
Btw, why was the first upload of this taken down?
It's so surreal being a Taiwanese, listening to foreigners arguing whether our country exists.
Now you know why the Danish are nervous.
We have a god complex over here. Pretty cringe
It does exist.
My friend once told me that "it's basically like if the US president declared Cuba an American State called Jefferson, and they ordered that anyone who says the word 'Cuba' be executed."
@@poiu477 china aint socialist breh
"Jackson didn't leave to get water, he went to open the window to let the hypothetical out"
This took me out 🤚🏽😭💀
Who is Jackson? Michael Jackson??
@@kraio-sfu jackson twinkle
So by this guys logic Iran, North Korea, Antigua and Barbuda, Dominica, Grenada, St. Kitts and Nevis, St. Lucia, St. Vincent and the Grenadines and Guinea-Bissau are all not nations because they don't have US embassies..
This guy doesn't use logic.
Shockingly the “anti-imperialist” that defines a nation states status as an “actual” country by looking at the 2 largest imperialist nations and whether or not they define it as a country and also believes that any country that can’t defend itself with its own military doesn’t deserve to exist…. And explicitly included NATIVES rolled over by IMPERIALIST Britain and the US as not deserving to have country status…. is totally consistent and not at all full of shit
He'd probably say NK doesnt need a US Embassy to be sovereign because it has a Chinese Embassy or something stupid.
somebody's been hittin the seterra!
Well, see, Jackson is an anti-imperialist. And anti-imperialism is when the USA decides everything. Lol
I want a edit of redacted from redacted screaming "WHATS A TIFF" and Jackson yelling "ITS NOT A COUNTRY"
"JUST ANNEX CHINA!!!"
Like a screaming match between the two of them?
I'd watch it. lol
Hands down one of the most painful "debates" I have seen in a while. It's difficult to believe Jackson is a leftist and not actually an undercover alt-righter or a fed.
He will make his jimmy dore right wing turn, give it time
A fed would support USA empire no.
@@asherif3893 No, undercover federal agents sow discord amongst their targets. Feds wouldn't be so blatant as to try and get people to support the USA, instead they just would (and have) sow chaos in our ranks. Jackson, whether or not he's a fed, is sowing discord and chaos amongst the left. It might not be much but he is.
He’s right wing for China, Russia and Syria
He is not a leftist.
The man-toddler constantly mad and screaming reminded me why I don’t want kids. Jackson made me actually uncomfortable and anxious from how cringe he is.
Hey that's offensive!
How dare you think that toddlers are as disgusting as this guy??
/s
@@7PlayingWithFire7 Unironically, I think toddlers are better than Jackson
This guy has alt-right written all over him. The levels of bad faith and posturing is beyond cringe.
He literally doesn’t think Taiwan is an independent country so I don’t know how he could possibly be on the left 🤷♀️
The "if you can't defend your country, you don't deserve to have it" logic is exactly the same as saying "if you can't defend your bodily autonomy, you don't deserve to have it."
What a goblin.
Which is why it makes sense for countries that can't defend themselves to become a part of a larger country that's willing to defend it.
Hence countries like Israel, Ukraine and Taiwan can becomes states of USA like Alaska and Hawaii, rather than remain independent
@@vl8584 Those three countries have no such desires. They want to be sovereign and govern themselves exclusively.
Dylan burns head is a cube: all sides have equal dimensions, the plane angles are right angles, each of the faces meet the other four faces, each of the vertices meet the three faces and three edges, and the edges opposite to each other are freaking parallel!!! 🧊
☠️☠️☠️
Dylan is a beautiful thwomp
Mfs told Dylan be straight or be square and look at him now
I'm not good at math so idk wtf
Omg im dying
Lmao what a rude little boy.
Wow this guy took like 3 minutes to just get super hostile and immediately interpret everything as an attack. It is super defensive behavior and I honestly think Dylan did a great job dealing with it. I'd just immediately antagonize and troll if I was dealing with a guy like that.
11:50 YES!! Someone needed to say this!
tankies and nazis will always discard inconvenient information by calling it Jewish or State dept. Glad you pointed this out
Are you new here?
Wow Jensen Ackles really fell off after supernatural
You know it's going to be entertaining when someone begins to implode before the debate even started.
What about the Bay of Pigs? Cuba was only able to defend against US backed invasion forces because of intelligence and military support of the USSR. Does that mean that Cuba didn't have a right to exist due to their reliance on Soviet support? That's not hypothetical; that shit happened.
Stinkle makes mike from pa seem like a normal well adjusted individual.
Difference between defense and offense weapons is crucial. e.x. anti-ballistic weapons is most effective against missles. You could try to use them in attack, but without defense and radar whey will be easiest target for defendant. Although, they could be used to attack geound targets, but its like you will try to kill anyone with helmet or bulletproof vest, instead of firearms
I was dying laughing during this, just absolutely amazing.
How do people not understand that getting super pissed off in a debate is an indication of one losing an argument.
Can't believe Vaush never pronounces Jimmson Honkle's name right
I know! So rude to mispronounce Jebson Tinkle
Throughout the Taiwan part of the debate Hinkle says that the US is trying to "turn China against Taiwan" (always has been, the CCP and Kuomintang never ended their war, and the KMT set up in Taiwan so...), that Taiwan is trying to disassociate with China (they already are disassociated from the PRC), that Taiwan has to declare independence (it doesn't, Taiwan has never been under the PRC's jurisdiction) and states Taiwan calls themselves China as supporting evidence that they're not independent (two countries cannot share the same geographic names, guess Korea, Congo, and Sudan are all singular states, German Democratic Republic? Federal Republic of Germany? Same country! The Berlin Wall was a lie!).
I don't think Hinkle knows anything about Chinese history, hell, it doesn't seem like he has a good grasp on where Taiwan is. Ironically, for being such an anti-imperialist and anti-American imperialist in particular, Hinkle has an incredibly myopic uninformed view of the world like a stereotypical Bad American.
my empathy response is making me so stressed for Dylan and the only thing keeping me going is the sounds of Mario and vaush's reactions
So Jabson makes an appeal to authority/popularity fallacy about Taiwan’s legitimacy, and then turns around and says the popular majority opinion of Taiwan doesn’t matter. Epic grift.
It makes sense for countries like Israel, Ukraine and Taiwan to become American States (like New York, Kansas, Texas, Alaska and Hawaii) rather than remain independent countries as they heavily rely on American military support. Might as well declare all of them American.
It’s a Hardee’s not a Carl’s Jr.!
The fucks a hardees? Here in California we call it Carls jr.
Im just taken the piss bud.
The only way to destroy villains like this guy... Is to ignore them
"It does literally everything an embassy does but it's not an embassy because America technically says it's not to not piss off China," yeah ok, very rational argument there.
I love that he went immediately homophobic when he heard him say "babe" to him. "WHAT DID YOU CALL ME?"
“You’re parroting state department lines”
One hour later: “he’s the Secretary of State, you’re gonna have to elaborate on why you don’t agree with him”
I love how at one point Dylan is actually trying to agree with... shit I forget his name already... and he's not having it because he just wants to railroad.
An example of a defensive weapon would be anti-air batteries. Those don't have a very practical offensive use. Electronic Warfare vehicles is another. Also America didn't get it's independence without help from another country...
Vaush playing Super Mario Sunshine and watching a debate is beyond the ultimate fix I can't even explain.
I guess I'm an autist.
@@tally.kleckoWelcome to being a Vaush fan
oh this is so perfect my brain ADORES having this much stimulation. I hope vaush plays more games with debates, I love when he debates snd games at the same time, it's so fun
The way these people just outright lie and gaslight and deflect must make any conversation with them abysmally terrible
My husband is a Taiwanese American and his mother is in her 70's and has always considered her homeland as a country. She'd never say she's Chinese.
"Spiritually balding" is one of the funniest things I've heard in a long time
The man has a banana brain
feel like this guy watched a bunch of Infrared videos and decided to try on the alpha male gimmick but unironically lmao
Imagine thinking Capitalism predates Imperialism....
Dylan F****D UP that no-name.
28:10 : I'm dying. That clip is so perfect.
Jabson Ankles is insufferable. Why should anyone care what this toddler says?
Why isn’t the US brought up when talking about “countries needing support to be their own country”, France helped us tremendously against the British.
I feel like at least half of this debate is Dylan trying to make his points and Jackson interrupting to complain about how Dylan won't let him talk.
I would pay to see Jackson and Mike from PA argue with one another.
Everyone's eardrums would burst.
Father i hunger for my content
"All I did was kill 22 people, that's not mass murder if I don't call it mass murder guys, guys, if it's not called the thing, then it's not the thing, that's how things work"
"So you are an expert" "no it says 'advisor'" "yeah, that's what an expert would do".... [5 minutes later] "no, Taiwan doesn't have an embassy" "it does everything an embassy would do"...
And yes. AbsoLUTELY he should have asked "Is Palestine a country, yes or no?" or "Ok, the US doesn't recognize Palestine, so should they not count either?"
And GOD I wish Dylan just read this blurb verbatim:
"The following _15 nations_ recognize Taiwan as a sovereign country: Guatemala, Honduras, Haiti, Paraguay, Nicaragua, Eswatini, Tuvalu, Nauru, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Marshall Isalnds, Palau, and Vatican City (United Nations non-member). *The United States maintained Taiwan's recognition for **_30 years_** after the Chinese civil war but switched in 1979.* Despite this, the U.S. has maintained a positive relationship with Taiwan, including offering the island military assistance, a move that has caused tension between the U.S. and China."
Dylan was not only the winner of this debate, he was also the moderator
That's what we call "an unfair advantage".
@@GigasGMX no I mean he acted as the unofficial, defacto moderator of this debate
@@GigasGMX knowing how to control a conversation isn’t an unfair advantage
@@GigasGMX we do?
Double trouble.
This guy's opinion is literally "If you cant defend yourself from a stronger military you don't have a right to exist" and he calls himself an anti imperialist, what a clown
Literally Nazi philosophy. "Survival of the fittest" - interpreted as physical strength
Taiwan claims main land China as being part if their territory and if they don't want China to anex them they should stop trying to do the same.
That was actually an argument from Destiny about socialists governments being overthrown.
@@nataliekhanyola5669 first of all, Taiwan is not trying to take back the mainland in anyway right now, because they would be obliterated. Second of all, if they relinquish that claim, China will see it as Taiwan declaring independence and will send its military to invade and “””””””retake””””””” it.
This is unironically destiny's same take in his debate he had with vaush and rem in the canadian indigenous pipeline debate.
wow this goes off the rails INSTANTLY.
"Name one thing an embassy does that the american institute in taiwan does not do? literally any one thing."
"Uh, well BE AN EMBASSY."
cool, dude. good talk.
Well he was right. It's not an embassy. Hard to argue against that fact.
@@tuntejaable he's right in the same way that it would be correct to say "A Chevy is not a Ford". Like yeah, sure, but they do the same things, and are practically the same in all but name.
It’s only a fact if you think what defines something is calling it that, and not how it functions, it’s the difference between a functional definition, and a purely subjective one.
@@tuntejaable It's just as hard to argue against that fact as it is to argue against the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea not being democratic, for the people or a republic. Literally the only argument for it not being an embassy is "well it's in the name".
@@tuntejaable correct. They have different labels, but function EXACTLY the same. Good talk.
"TELL ME, DYLAN" he screams repeatedly, not giving him 5 seconds to answer the question
never seen a man so alergic to shuting the fuck up
"TELL ME, DYLAN!!!", Dumbeldore said gently
"It doesn't have an embassy, it's not a country. It doesn't have an embassy, it's not a country. It doesn't have an embassy, it's not a country."
When you accidentally keep talking to nurse Joy instead of leaving.
I fucking cackled
I get this reference.
China lost the Copium Wars in this debate
God I'm gonna steal this this is so good
best comment lmao
"LET ME TALK OVER YOU OR YOU'RE A BETA"
"Okay, I'm a beta"
Chad move
Absolute sigma move
Time stamp?
1:49:13
I have trancended your pack animal mindset.
This guy: "I do not engage in hypotheticals" *spends almost 40 minutes arguing about a hypothetical 1948 situation where Israel does not get US support* This guy has less braincells than my girlfriend and i made her up just now
This is a funny comment
The ending killed me
Is your girlfriends name Alden by any chance
@@JBlazingit Aldens Lover.
That's what's really telling to me. "my ideology is so flimsy that it falls apart under any cross examination"
This dude must be jacked from carrying those goalposts back and forth all day.
Lol
Dylan: “Why are you so angry you were nice to Vaush?”
Jason: “Well you haven’t called me a Nazi yet.”
Does Jason want to be called a Nazi?
Yes.
It's his kink.
He has a humiliation fetish, so when vaush insulted him it made him have to focus on not calling vaush "sir" so he wasn't able to get mad.
"Call me a nazi again, daddy."
by the way jason hickle and jackson hinkle arent the same person loll
For a man who hates the "US government line"/"CIA speakingpoints" this man does value the US government's evaluation of what is and isn't a country a lot
I know this is off topic but, Oh my god I love your pfp 😍😍
You mean “The US Empire” right?
Tbf him pointing out how US policy is openly hypocritical would normally be useful if he followed this point up intelligently. All he is doing is pointing out the US is a hypocrite that shapes its foreign policy for it's own interests. Something Dylan agrees with.
If this dude is a man then im a tortoise.
@@randombloke165 "Modern US American Empire"
i like how its immediately him going "so youre saying youre an expert" "no" "but i think youre an expert so" i should sleep
You're an expert.
No. I don't call myself an expert.
Well you function as an expert so you're an expert.
Ok...well the Taiwanese embass-
NOT AN EMBASSY!
...but it functions as an embassy so I'm gonna call it a-
YOU CAN'T DO THAT!
"Y R U GAE?"
"Who says I'm gay?"
"U R GEY!"
@@toptextbottomtext3062 Uruguay.
It was such a baffling exchange lmao he basically complimented dylan, the man is so genuinely lost
@The 4th Reich Low tier bait, are you even trying?
That fucking thirty minutes hinkle spent on the foreign advisor/expert, and the “Taiwan isn’t a country” things kill me
Gives me such Mike from P.A. Vibes 😆
Hankle* gotta spell it right
what's a tiff⁉️
Have the two of them conversed on camera before? Hankle* & Mike?
@@kneau good question, because if not, there’s no proof they aren’t the same person-
@@Fuwutaba eep! I merely wondered if they consider themselves allies or rivals in the realms of clout & debate - at first. Now? Mental images of a StarshipUK Winder, featuring a Hinkle/Hankle 'smiler' & 'malevolence' Mike.
Please do not mistake the above reference to Dr. Who as an invitation to talk about Dr. Who beyond this reference. The imagery of a Winder is what I think fits & I'm not aiming to wrench things off task.
When somebody acting as bad faith as Jackson has says “that’s an interesting point” it basically just means they think you’re just right but don’t want to say it.
@@rainbowkrampus No I mean Junk Hunderfund
@Ua Ruaidrí Thanks for the engagement
@@rainbowkrampus Jingle Hinglebingle.
@Ua Ruaidrí You realize that comments and even downvotes boost a channel in the youtube algorithm right?
@The 4th Reich Thank you for engaging
So I guess Luxembourg, Costa Rica, Samoa, faroe Island, Butan etc are no longer nations as they can't defend themselves 🤔
Luxembourg is my favourite french province
By this guy's logic, if a nation can't defend itself without aid from another nation then pretty much every nation would be fucked. The world would be 3 countries, America Russia and China and that's it. America would end up conquering the north American and south American content, Russia would conquer pretty much all of europe and parts of the middle east and China would take all of Asia and the rest of the middle east. That's if we were to go down the rabbit hole he wants to go down.
Faroe islands is a territory of Denmark
Japan doesn't even have a standing army in technical terms, so is Japan just the 51st state?
Also germany too. Our military is weak as fuck we couldnt defend against anyone without nato
Jabsons mom:"Hey son, stay out of the street because it's dangerous."
Jabson:"How is it dangerous"
Jabsons mom:"Well you could get hit by a car and-"
Jabson:"STOP I WILL NOT ENGAGE WITH YOUR HYPOTHETICALS GIVE ME A REAL LIFE INSTANCE OF ME BEING HIT BY A CAR!"
Please!
OK son, you go stand in the road and I will happily go start the car and meet you outside.
Well then step out to the driveway. I'll be there as soon as I find my keys!
Goddamn, this tankie guy is insufferable. I'm 5 minutes in and he's just been needlessly aggressive the entire time...
Right?
Vaush gets criticized for calling his opponents mentally ill, but goddamn, I see it so hard, and I feel like any introspective or psychologically literate person should. It think Vaush is UNDERstating how incredibly insecure and narcissisistic this dude is.
Yep. Agression is often a display of insecurity.
@@resir9807 I think I recognize this guy just by his yelling alone...
He started off aggressive when he said he's changed his strategy to include debating nobodies, therefore he will now debate Dylan. He was disingenuous from the get-go.
There's no way this guy isn't being propped up by RT
Just wait until the end of the debate. Dylan goes hard on his connections to Russian funding.
He's an anti imperialist except when he is simping for Russia and China.
He's propped up by dimmy jore
RoosterTeeth has gone too far this time!
@@Cancellator5000 I don't know, he apparently simps for the USA too. You aren't a country unless the USA says so
The reason the alpha posturing actually works for Vaush is because in reality he is a feminist and and LGBTQ advocate etc.
Doing alpha posturing while just being an open misogynist is just embarrassing
Deconstructing the label "alpha posturing", to me it just seems like Vaush has discarded ego from his debates. He is open to being corrected, and not afraid to say when he is ignorant about something. When you don't need to protect your ego, because ego is not part of intellectually honest discourse, it can seem like fearlessness.
When someone pretends to have the same lack of fear in discourse, yet definitely have a fragile ego that is all tied up with a need to never be wrong, then it looks weak sauce.
@@smaakjeks yeah it's definitely less core to his brand than it used to be but he still puts his masculinity pretty front and centre
@@eelvis1674 Okay. I'm very new to Vaush, so I'm just saying what I see from the limited content I've consumed so far. Having trouble differentiating ironic memeing from sincerity sometimes. But that's okay, all I care about is the points being made :)
@@smaakjeks he used to be a deal more hard-headed and aggressive (not to mention crass lol) I usually find his new attitude makes for more interesting conversations, but sometimes when he's talking to someone with really boring, tired opinions, I wish he would just rip into them a bit more.
@@eelvis1674 Ah okay. I'll keep that in mind, thanks!
If Asad can't protect 1/3 of his country, he doesn't deserve to have it. Right Jackson?
You confuse Hinkle for a person with principles or consistency or enough braincells to think that far. Everyone needs to stop talking to him, at this point.
@@zacheryeckard3051, you're right, I gave him too much credit.
I mean... Assad doesn't really deserve any of Syria so...
This guy is so out of his depth I don't think that the guy knows where Tiawan is, he even seemed confused when Dylan mentioned there being a sea between China and Tiawan
Taiwan is an island close to China.
Maybe he thinks Taiwan is Hong Kong?
Americans generally aren’t too good at geography
@@singhatar0912 "over in countries like Suchas and the Iraq, South Africa..."
If you don't even know where the place is then that should instantly invalidate any opinions you have on what they can even do with their weapons. Sure, let me just casually sail these tanks out onto the Chinese mainland so I can use them offensively, lol. We'll just casually fire these AK's wildly in the air to precision snipe Chinese soldiers across the ocean. You don't understand, those Tiawan soldiers are nuts! They're going to be able to use these grenades offensively directly against China without even leaving the island! People in Hong Kong are just going to glance up and 30 grenades will just fall from the sky and cause mass destruction simultaneously, it's crazy!
I read Dylan Burns vs Jenson Ackles debate and I was like how the fuck did that happen?
😂
Dylan is a pro-Destiel shipper and that made Jensen mad.
I'd have to side with Jensen no matter what. I'm not gay but Jensen Ackles *is* Jensen Ackles
Wean Dimchester: Bizarro Dean, is coward, doesn't like pie.
This is absolutely why I subscribed in the first place - I didn't get to see you actually debate people until I was already deep into the Vaush content. Seeing you dissect other arguments and break it down is my favorite content you do - video games or not. Though Bloodborne in the background was always funny to watch.
Big same, analysis like this is my favorite Vaush content
@The 4th Reich I’m on gargalonpilled
@Coconut Head Oh that's what I did at the beginning. While I'm delivering at work usually.
@The 4th Reich well you are a angry Lil guy aren't you?
He’s the first and only person to beat bloodborne btw
Jackson: They have no embassy.
Dylan: Yes they do... they have a de facto embassy.
Jackson: That's not an embassy.
Dylan: It functions as an embassy.
Jackson: No it doesn't.
Dyland: Name one thing an embassy does that a de facto embassy doesn't do.
Jackson: REEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
an embassy has an ambassador first and foremost
@@wtfhah As does the Taiwanese embassy... Sandra Oudkirk.
@Suave Karl Marx Hinkle won
@@canadagoose8543 She's not an ambassador
@Suave Karl Marx Yes, Jackson won
"STATE DEPARTMENT LINE!! STATE DEPARTMENT LINE!!! D:
>"It can't function as an embassy because it's not an embassy"
>"You're being illogical"
I don't think he knows what logic is.
Damn how does Vaush split his attention between the debate, the game and chat so well?
I'm the same way. I watch stuff while playing video games. Probably related to ADHD.
Practice.
He's been drinking Aldin Juice.
Adderall is a hell of a med lol
Fuckin' Adderall man. Theres a reason its considered a performance enhancing drug in E Sports
Dylan is nice and friendly for 5 minutes straight from the start and still this guy seems to take every single word like an insult... what is going on...
He’s trying compensate the fact that he’s wrong with coming across as aggressive a dominant in the debate. Trying fake it until he makes it essentially. However 15 minutes into this video he’s effectively revealed himself as an idiot. The concept of if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, flies like a duck, it’s obviously a duck; is obviously beyond him.
He’s so insecure that he anticipates antagonism and so he preempts it, probably hoping that this will make him appear confident
@@TeiwazTheGoat But the bigger ducks won't say it's a duck, so there! Concede!
How the hell can a person even formulate political opinions/arguments without engaging in hypotheticals? This guy is a complete nut.
He probably failed math because it wasn't real actual examples.
This proved remarkably prescient given the recent NonCompete "debate" lol
Professor flowers and Mel do the same thing, all pseudo-intellectuals
Vaush tricked us into watching gameplay footage in this debate
Dylan got wrecked
That’s what you get for calling him babe 😤
“Prove that they won’t use the weapons offensively!”
In this case, we can actually prove the negative. They won’t use the weapons offensively because they have a vested interest in continuing to exist.
Especially sense to use these weapons offensively they need naval transport capacity we aren't selling them
Then why sell it weapons? It's never good to amp up conflict and sell countries weapons. So nope you r wrong
@@turbojerko_
1. We secure support in that area
2. We give them the ability to hold out in a potential conflict which increases our strategic options
3. We can make money of it which is always nice but is not the most important part.
@@seanmac1793 dude its not the point. If china unfairly wages attacks on its territory of taiwan then the world can decide on how to deal with china. Its so bs and just plainly obvious that the usa only does things for its own good. Stop messing with the world stol policing and start acting more diplomatic. Everyone sees through these games and it wont end up good for us.
@@turbojerko_oh so Taiwan shouldn't have a modern miltary? China should be able to conquer them before the rest of the world can react? Of course the US does things out of self interest it's called forgein policy. For better and for worse the US is the world police and that matters. We can't just not do anti piracy without losing a ton of diplomatic power. Do you want China to be the world police because there is always a world police before us it was the British and as sorrid as our record is I think we have done a better job than the British Empire
"will you marry me"
we're not married
"i-i know, but would you like to be"
i'm not engaging with your hypothetical
1:37:47 - "He was opening a window to let the hyperthetical out"
This is it, guys. The epitome of humour. We peaked.
JFC. I laughed so hard my eyes welled up.
Wait til this guy finds out that Taiwan using these weapons offensively hasn't happened yet and is thus a hypothetical.
Dude has one mode, head empty angry.
"Go ahead! Say it! Say it!"
He then proceeds to yell every single time Dylan says anything, to the point where Dylan has to ask for Jackson to stop interrupting
The consistent effort to misspell Jacob's name every time is perfect
Joseph Hinkleberg
@@elS23243 Hacksle Jinkleson
You guys are mean to Jarvis c'mon
You mean Jeremy Crinkles?
Jimmy Hinkletron
Fun historical fact: The political entity of the PRC has never held the island of Taiwan in the country's history. Taiwan was an imperial possession of the Qing Dynasty which ruled China, then Japan invaded and occupied it as an imperial possession, then it was given to the Republic of China after WW2.
Yet the PRC continues their unfounded claim. It seems pretty distasteful, too, as it echoes the logic of Israeli claims to Palestinian land based on cultural association rather than legal right. The ROC claim for the mainland feels similarly unfounded.
@@JosephKerr27 unfounded, but... in a real realpolitik sense, they can't leave an autonomous state allied with foreign interests to have such a geographical position. At best, I imagine Taiwan could come up with a Guantonamo Bay style compromise in the future.
@@JosephKerr27 I don't think that comparison holds 'cause Taiwan and Mainland have a history as a single country, but that country was technically a different one than the one that now inhabits Mainland. So on a legal level it seems reasonable to me too that the country called PRC has no claim over Taiwan (and vice versa). But since PRC and ROC are basically founded by the two factions contending for power over the single territory, it's predictable that each one claims the other.
@@waltergrace565 i mean, well... regardless of the 'justice' of the issue, its bad security policy.
Similarly with Guantanomo Bay. Leaving aside the awful human rights stuff, most of that is a large naval base for US power projection, 'rented' off the Cubans quite some time ago in a compromise. We were afraid enough of Soviet warships 'in our backyard' and so the Cuban government did a security deal, of sorts. It meant that we stopped trying to overthrow the main island militarily, for the most part, as our security rationale was satisfied.
Now its China, a growing economic power, and they have the same concerns about US naval and air bases inside a certain geography. Its rational behavior, like it or not.
Again; i am in no way condoning or defending their actions, simply explaining what I believe to be part of their reasoning here.
Just to mildly correct (more like expand on the matter) a little bit, Taiwan was not exactly given to ROC after WW2. ROC was put in charge of occupation after Japanese surrendered, and then on their own declared it was a part of China (Japan doesn't care, but it's an important historical detail for the Taiwanese independence movement). It's pretty important to understand that Taiwanese independence movement has always been divergent from mainland politics, and that the period of Japanese colonial rule (and then the 28 Incident and subsequent KMT martial law) did set Taiwan and Taiwanese identity on a part apart from that of the mainland. Taiwan has been separate from China for over a hundred and twenty years now, the situation is such that the PRC's claims are really well beyond even some Sudetenland level of bullshit justifications (and the KMT's claims on the mainland all the more comical if anyone there still takes them seriously).
i had to stop watching this halfway through on Dylan's channel because i couldn't stand listening to the screaming toddler
I feel your pain, I was so upset my hands were shaking. The Vaush reaction is so much better because you get brief pauses from Joofson Tinkle's insufferability
I literally can't finish this video because Ankles is Tokyo drifting around every point they're discussing.
*gas gas gas, I'm gonna step on the gas tonight*
ankles lol
@@Alex_Vir gas lmao
He has such an amazing ability to not hear any questions he doesn't want to answer
Didn't he say "you're towing the state department line by saying taiwan is another country" and then said "The US doesn't call taiwan a country"
It's almost like he'll say what ever in the moment that supports his point of view even if it is completely contradictory to what he has all ready said.
I love how when Dylan mutes the guy and says "I'm muting you" 1:54:15 you can see that he's still talking. He's physically incapable of waiting and listening, it's like a reflex.
2:15 Dude just puts his clout chasing strategy in the open.
And the crybullying right off the bat is pathetic.
I watched the debate on Dylan's channel and this Jackson kid didn't engage with the subject...he was successful in taking advantage of Dylan's good faith engagement and derailing the conversation away from the subject completely. This kid is a Jersey Shore wannabe trying to grift his way to fame with badfaith debate bro meta.
Most of these types are that way. Left leaning folks have to realize you can not reason with them. Unless you have mad skills at debate better to get them into a rage and mock them.
Couldn't have said it better myself
How pathetic and bad faith do you have to be to call other people imperialists while also justifying the might makes right argument and refusing to engage when people call you out on doing that.
Absolutely sad.
But even for fringe group ideologues he is DENSE.
"Are you willing to concede that you're an expert" literally 5 minutes in and this debate is whack
I grew up in Haiti and drove by the Taiwan embassy every day on my way to school...
Haiti is a puppet state of the US
@@wtfhah
Your moms a puppet state 😩🤌
@@wtfhah damn I guess that means the us considers Taiwan a country and has an embassy with it
@@EkkieEkk US does not consider Taiwan a country and does not have an embassy there
@@wtfhah so haiti isn't a puppet state then?
That thumbnail is even funnier because Dylan Burns has a jawline hand sculpted by the gods lmao
His jawline will save humanity
Tree of Logic nickname comes to mind...
Minecraft Steve chin
For people who don't know: for a country to be "officially" recognised as one i.e. a member of the UN, they require the UN security council to vote to confirm them as a member by a majority as well as having all 5 of the permanent members of the security council (USA, France, UK, Russia and China) to vote in favour so regardless of whether America recognises Taiwan as a country in an "official" manner doesn't matter because China will never be in favour of it. So Jackson's triade on America offically recognising Taiwan is irrelevant because it doesn't matter what America does in this regard it matters what the security council as whole does together.
Exactly so it will never be a country. It will always be part of China. Maybe US should just accept it.
@@tuntejaable By that logic the nations of the world that do recognise Palestine as a country independant of Israel should just accept Palestine will never be a country because America is never going to accept it, or any other autnomious region which doesn't have the full support of the security council. Why should the world turn its back on states without "official recognition".
@@LeeHutchy26 It's sad maybe you should lobby the US government to accepting them. That doesn't change th fact that Taiwan is not a country. Never was and never will.
@@tuntejaable If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck its probably a duck you could try calling it something else but will still be a duck. You have to substantiate your point beyond simply saying it is not a country or never will be a country otherwise its just empty words.
@@LeeHutchy26 it actually doesn't sound or look anything like a duck. It's just a random bird and you are saying since it's a bird it basically is a duck.