Pantheon's Early Access: Will it Work?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- Lets talk about some of my hopes for Pantheon's Early Access
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If VR reads your comments after watching your videos, 100% what Redbeardflynn is saying. Y'all need to be subtle marketing and let us players bring people in through our love of the game. Keep that marketing money and put it towards speeding up development. Make it abundantly clear to even the most difficult people that this is a game still in development.
Great video Red!
The problem they have is they've squandered all their good will. A lot of people are probably gone for good or just not following any updates at all. To get them back you have to really impress. The game is 10 years in development and essentially starting from scratch at this point and it appears to be years from full release. The game was already targeting a fairly small niche audience and now they've gone and angered and driven off a portion of those. I'll be watching but that's quite an impossible position to be in.
You clearly have never been in their discord and looked at how many VIP backers they have ( btw VIP is people who have $750 min pledges) You may think they lost support but alas its actually accelerated not decreased).
This is not a family grudge. Even people that are/were angered will take a look if it is available. Whether they like it or not that is a different story. But people need to relax about "burnt bridges". It is how you finish that matters.
@@nervecentral well sort of. Sure players who already bought pledges have no reason not to check the game out. The problem is more people who followed the game but didn’t buy pledges.
If they had announced this back in 2018/19 like it was originally planned then there would have been a sudden influx of pledges and quite a lot of people looking to get in and more people to spread the good word if the game was good. Now I would suspect a lot of those people have moved on, aren’t following the game anymore at all, and the few that remain like me are likely very unwilling to give $50 for the hope they’ve actually got the game in track now.
The issue isn’t about holding a grudge, it’s that they are making a fairly niche game and they’ve gone and placed even more obstacles in their path to the games success. I play No Man’s Sky I’m all for a redemption story but they have a LOT of work to do.
I guarantee you they won't be capable to get the world to be persistent. Loading screens everywhere...
I am one of the original backers of the game and wonder what support there will be for the game....when many of us feel let down. I suspect the game has lost a considerable amount of the original support base....due to poor coms...lack of transparency...seemingly going backwards at times....refusal to issue refunds etc. This has in part split the community further....with those who dare to be critical demonised as 'haters' etc. It would be great to have an open adult conversation about these issues.
Get the hater!!!! Jk your points are all valid. I hope the game launches and is successful but as an initial backer too I’m also skeptical
Who would expect a refund when they are still working on the game? That might make sense if they packed it up in 2017 🤷♂️
I agree. Few defended the game like I did a long time ago. I’m a VIP and have backed 6 or 7 years ago (I think). The graphics change to this cartoon-y style is horrid. Not what I signed up for. There’s a reason I never played WoW. Anyways, I check in now and then so I can see how it’s going and then shake my head in disgust at the graphics.
There was a time where I was excited for Pantheon but once they shifted the graphics/art style, character models, character animations, and spell graphics, my excitement tanked. The game was looking better and better with each update we saw but I can't get into it anymore. Not with the route they've gone. I will continue to watch it though and may dip my toe into it in the future.
The new character models they're working on are looking pretty sweet imo. Massive improvement over the current models. I don't think they'll ever return to a full realism aesthetic though.
Not sure when they'll finally be implementing the new models. They said they were going to do it months ago but then they got delayed. No idea if they've got a new target date since I stopped paying quite as close attention due to real life getting in the way.
Breaking Benjamin shirt. This guy has good taste.
I knew I liked ya, Goblin!
ONLY THE STRONGEST WILL SURVIIVVEEEE!!!
I enjoyed the nostalgia but missing quality of life features like an in game map will be a major turn off for new customers.
A static map is planned but I dont think its planned at all for EA. But an in-game feedback function would help with that. People could send feedback like that, you know? I think that part is important. More direct game to dev feedback.
yawn, if not having a mini map native turns you off (mind you UI mods can put on in for you) then maybe this isn't the game for you.
I feel for people who will never get lost in area completely unknown to them in an MMORPG world. It's annoying, dangerous but exhilirating all at the same time. I still remember to this day the absolute fear of finding myself in Kithicor Forest in the dead of night. Or losing my way in the Tundra outside Halas and wandering face first into a goddamned Ice Giant! it's all part of the discovery process people can map the game as they go and add them with UI features but the first explorers are like pioneers paving the way as it should be.
The in-game suggestions/feedback/bug reporting is so important.. there are so many instances that happen in game; whether it's a specific bug or just something you notice that could be improved, etc that you want to capture in that moment. Having to wait until your gaming session is over and then use a 3rd party tool isn't optimal, since people can forget details, etc. Plus you can capture details like location, etc depending on how those in-game tools are set up. I wish every game did this, and maybe rewarded people that give a lot of helpful feedback
i totally agree. we gotta build the core before it expands too much.
The models and graphics have to get way better than what I'm seeing in this video.
New player models and armor will be in soon but don't expect any radical changes. It's still and indie mmo
The biggest issue is the rise of Early Access and how VERY different games can be in where they are in the development process when they go into EA I realize its to get people to buy in but it also puts unreal expectations into many peopls heads. These games need to call it what it really is, Alpha/Beta access.
If you do that, you can't be on Steam afaik. Not for long anyway. I believe it has to be limited. Steam, as the largest games seller, dictates terminology. They're functionally the same thing. BG3 was in Alpha technically but they couldn't say Alpha on steam.
@@Redbeardflynn that makes sense though it leaves many people confused i feel.
@@chaotic_grump7496 Yeah it doesnt help that some companies off steam (WoW most recently) have started calling what used to be called a Headstart "Early Access"
Can you explain to me briefly exactly what happened with the graphics overhaul. I haven't followed this closely I just know that it looks dramatically different than it used to?
The short answer is: time and money. They switched their art style because they were using a bunch of Unity assets and art was taking way too long. For an Indie MMO you might say their previous style, while already dated within a few years, was too ambitious. Since shifting to the new art style they've been able to bump out new designs exponentially faster. I believe there was also a performance component as well with the painted art style performing better on more computers.
@@Redbeardflynn Thanks, I'm excited for EA trying to figure out which class I want to play right now.
@@thedangleengankle8613 Of course! What're you leaning toward? What kind of class role?
I wanted a redo of EQ so badly...but in 2024, the graphics and combat mechanics looking like the original...and with all the years to final get a beta out...I'm indifferent now. Glad they have a necro class, and IF it resembles how the necro was in EQ, then maybe. Wish them luck and appreciate them sticking to it.
Go look at the graphics from EQ. They look nothing like this 😂
@@JETLEEINFERNO making them 3d doesn't increase the low quality they are...hence, making them look like, not be exact replicas of, the original.
A lot of people here saying lots of negative things but haven't even tried the game? Also, not sure what you thought early 2000's games looked like, but they weren't like this 😂
Took them 10 years of taking people's money and then changing their minds about what the game will be. Monsters and Memories is where it's REALLY at.
Eh, that's game dev. Game is functionally the same but things change over development.
I would hope OG mmorpg players would join. I dread this game becomes like blizzard, CoD, or fortnite.
Do you think a 1rst person view only server could be a thing?
I mean..you can play in first person as much as you want, even excslusively. But a forced camera? I dont even know if thats possible when the games give you multiple options.
@@Redbeardflynn I understand. I could just imagine some potential conflict. (Ex.
I've lost all hope for this one. They got my money many years ago, because I believed in The Vision(tm). The bit that I've managed to force myself to play so far has been meh and my expectations have fallen to all-time lows. The only MMO I'm still holding out hope for at this point is Ashes of Creation. If that one falls flat, then I guess I'm done with the genre outside of unofficial servers and maybe an occasional EQ TLP or WoW Classic run.
the wipes is a big no no for me
Will the early access be free?
One time box price which included the game at launch.
I do not understand, why not make this with little better graphics? What is the reason it looks like mid 2000 game? Forget about mechanics. I don’t understand why would one think this is appealing in current age of UE5 like graphics?
If people are excited about a rework of New World then they will be excited about this....
I love the concept, but the combat .... I feel will be to unengaging to attract any real growth
It's tab target but it's pretty engaging so far. Lots of cooperative and reactive gameplay
@@Redbeardflynn Oh really? Then that is indeed promising
@@Warhammer_Actual definitely one of those games where if you have even slight interest I'd recommend trying for sure once it comes into EA later this year.
whatever happened to pantheon plus?
Rebranded to Static Group Live
Their channel name is "Static Group Live." They still cover Pantheon but also cover other games, other mmos, other rpgs, kind of like what they did before with the MMO 201 and 101 etc.
I miss Standing in Fire
They hired minus for a year or two and then kicked him to the curb. He bailed when they announced the lame ass timed adventures that made people stop following the game.
It doesn't matter what you say to people, they're going to buy it and neg it into non existence. You can say early access till you're blue in the face but they're going to review it regardless. Though I guess any publicity is good publicity eh.
I mean...it worked for several recent early access titles like bg3, satisfactory, valheim, nightingale, enshrouded, v rising, no?
@Redbeardflynn most of which now have extremely flattened in terms of player counts currently. Not really the way I'd like this game to go. A few of those were also created by very small teams who didn't really have another avenue to pursue. Honestly I'd rather give this game the best chances. But that may be the case as long as it doesn't list on stream or epic during its early access.
@Umadbro681 thats perfectly fine though. It's not launch. Early Access for bg3 peaked at 40k and had averages around 2-3k players. The goal isn't get launch day players its to make the game more readily available to those are are interested in testing and seeing it evolved. How they market goes a long way in that regard
@Redbeardflynn you may be right, but an mmo with a low player base doesn't survive long. Especially when review bombed in early access. It would've been better to stay a closed invite only until launch unless they can deliver. I hope for the best as I've been playing mmos since the beginning. This has lost a ton of steam and feels more like a cash grab than anything.
@@Umadbro681 there's much easier ways to make money than doing early access for an mmo 10 years in development. This is them opening up and being as transparent as possible with the game. People can make up their own minds on the game at likely a low price point. I see it as good personally for players and vr.
I hate to say this but giving the casuals the finger ( And lets face it no matter what they say they are) is going to cost them a metric shit ton of money....there isn't enough hard cores to make the game profitable....I truly wish it were otherwise....but by summer 2025 they are going to have to make a decision.....make the game more casual friendly and add a cash shop or shut the game down. Don't shoot the messenger....
I may or may not agree with you on that. Can you explain what you mean by giving casuals the finger? I wasnt sure if you were talking monetization or gameplay.
They are already catering to casual people. I'm just waiting for monsters and memories at this point. Felt more engaged in a 3 day stress test than I ever have in pantheon
@@synthetic27 It's fascinating to see in the same comment threat someone saying its not casual enough and then another saying its too casual 😅 As MMO players we don't change much, do we?
@@Redbeardflynn There just isnt enough interdependency on others in Pantheon to make it feel like an MMORPG. I played to 20 and it just didnt feel alive when in the world sadly. They split everything down the middle into solo mobs and group mobs so to cater to casual people. They are adding a cash shop so people can buy their gear looks without having to explore and earn them. I say just make the game a specific difficulty and let the players figure out how to play it. Some areas will naturally be easier while others harder depending on a host of factors. This was supposed to be an old school MMORPG. It turned into WoW 2.0. I dont blame them, they just want to recoup money at this point while giving up their original vision and values.
1995 graphics Will not work anymore
What does it do that WoW, ESO, BDO, GW2, and others don't do? WoW stole the Everquest, Altima Online, Shadowbane crowd in 2004. I was there for that being a teenager just finishing High School in 2004. WoW felt different, and since nothing has felt the same as WoW. The only way MMORPG's going to be successful in my opinion it's going to have to be better than majority of MMORPG's on current market. This genre is pretty much dead, its become more or less same group of people hanging around all these years later with few pockets of new generation joining MMORPG scene. I have son for example that's 17 and he games with his friends, also have 2 close friends with sons and none of these teenagers play MMORPGs. I have tried to get them to play WoW but they're not interested at all. The boomers so they like to call us are ones keeping games like WoW afloat and most of us are now stuck on whatever game we started on... so good luck drawing the boomers away from WoW.
WoW died after Lich King for me. Honestly I lost most of my hope for Pantheon but most likely Ill give it a try.
What the fuck is Altima Online?
@@andrueanderson8637 Ultima? autocorrect? Relax edge lord.
@@Chris-Rife whatever you say bud
Compared to some videos I saw like 5 years ago, this looks terrible…
It's worth jumping in to play it and see for yourself tbh.
this game looks ugly af
Ok 🙂
Nah game is as dead as Ember's Adrift.
Well damn. I missed the memo and that would be really sad
@@Redbeardflynn Just took too long and messed up with too many people's money. Lot of backlash on this game as a whole.
@ryanglacier30 honestly I think if more people actually played the game they'd feel differently. Hopefully more people will actually try it.
I think the game rocks. The environment is dangerous and very immersion. Combat is more complex than wow.
I really do miss the old eq beta days, I still have my beta cd disk somewhere
Great take. These 2 videos really helped me chill a bit about this. The game is genuinely fun and i think most people are pretty welcoming. It's not a game for everyone and it's definitely not the next wow (sorry for my rant on that elsewhere), but there is a need and desire for this game and with a little luck it'll be the next EQ.
I clicked like for the Breaking Benjamin tshirt but yeah I love pantheon
i wanted to hate this game for the turn it took... i wrote this game off.. i left it in the dust.. then noticed i had early access and said why the f not.. and... its good, its fun, and what mmos need to be...
The EQ "ding" sound for the censor beep gets me every time.
It makes me happy everytime I add it in the edit.
Guilds were a great 1st step (long overdue) to building the core community.
Sadly, knowing VR after all these years, I’m 99% sure the monetization they come out with will be bad. Not cash shop bad but.. they have a tendency of pushing bad ideas then only back tracking after community outrage.
Only a few months out and still no word/hints on this topic from Joppa (as far as I know)
Oh, Pantheon is launching Early Access in December 2024? Fantastic! Nothing screams "we’ve got this under control" like missing key features like the Gnome race, masteries, and housing. But don’t worry, they’ll arrive in the mythical land of “later updates,” right alongside flying pigs and world peace.
Server wipes? Sure, nothing builds confidence in your player base like wiping away their progress. But, hey, it’s not a soft launch, it’s just testing. Because, who wouldn’t want to invest in a game that promises to delete everything at any given moment?
But here’s the best part-this game needs a huge injection of cash to survive. But don’t fret, they’ll rely on the “slow burn” of subscribers trickling in. I mean, what’s the rush? It’s not like they’re up against games with actual funding and complete features or anything. We all know that a steady trickle of players, instead of a flood, is exactly what a project teetering on the brink needs to thrive. Maybe, if we’re lucky, they’ll sell enough perception system improvements to keep the lights on.
At this rate, the only thing rising might be the need for a company bailout.
I followed progress for the game for sooooo many years hoping for another EverQuest of old. After all…that was the goal when it all began. Fans are now in their 50’s and 60’s at the high end and after games like WoW, ESO, New World, Guildwars 2, FFXIV, and others…our quest for the old EQ feel has never been realized. Frustration of the failure to relive those glory days is high and none are up to the task. Chrono killed EQ and EQ2 along with P2W. All games that followed were not much better with all the games goodies locked behind loot boxes or a cash shop and not as in game rewards. I wish I could go back in time and experience EQ for the first time again…and no other game has made me feel that way since.
Wow, stylized graphics or not, the animations and gameplay look terrible. Such a shame as I had tremendous hope in the game. My VIP pledge be damned!
If you had hope for it before, I recommend at least trying it out in EA. It's been a lot of fun.
@@Redbeardflynn the graphics unfortunately are a non-starter. I’m sure I’ll check it out closer to release but I don’t see me investing the kind of time I wanted to.
@urgatorb8 maybe check back on the 28th. Should see new armor and character models. If it's trending in the wrong direction for ya still then yeah unfortunately it just might not mesh which sucks. I'm in a similar spot with evercraft. Love the thoughts behind it but just not for me
This game a is a scam and you comparing it to giaents in the area. Stop this you lost all cred
Been lowkey following this game/project for years and i really really hope it does well. Want to believe in the ideas behind it so bad. Theres a lot to dislike about modern MMO's but one of the worst things, at least to me, has been the communities themselves. Your average gamer just kinda sucks to deal with, or maybe just the more vocal ones. Hopefully this attracts the right type of people who just want to enjoy a good game/world.
You are not wrong. An in game /bug report or /feedback system is something that should have been added a long time ago. I also think they drastically need a "Need Before Greed" loot system in the game before EA. The ability to /block or /ignore other players (preferably account wide), a social tab for your guild, and fixes for many of the smaller long lasting bugs like crates not being closed properly are needed. VisionaryRealms has a lot of work to do before their version of "Early Access" starts in December.
They actually used to have an in-game bug report feature years and years ago. It stopped working at some point and they took it out. Then it never got added back in.
Truth be told I think the devs just prefer using the discord for tracking bugs.
Dude I cant stand the cartoony art-style from the original everquest 2 style they originally had
Check back when they update the armor/character models on the 28th with Necromancer, if you still don't like the direction, yeah it's probably not gonna mesh with ya even with the standard "This isn't final" because lighting changes, shader passes...etc. make big differences as it gets closer to 1.0 but the style itself wont change.
I'm not going to pay to QA their game for them. They would have to pay me.
Totally fair! Wait for 1.0.
I’d love to dig into this game but I can’t get past the UI, graphics and clunkiness of the combat. I hope those who do play really enjoy it though!
The way Pantheon is designed, I don't expect a new world situation. The type of player Pantheon is aiming for will stick with it, just look at how many people get excited for new EQ p99/tlp/pservers. I also know several classic wow players who are interested in older school mmos like EQ but are afraid of how far behind they are in knowledge/progression. Pantheon will allow these types of a player a pre-wow mmo experience without being intimidated.
This game has been in the works for 12 years, it should be leauges beyond its current state, as gamers we hope a game will be great but you can't blindly throw money at something that has done that for 12years. I want to play but the graphics have me stumped this is not the game we were promised. It is a final gasp for money for an unfinished game. I wish this wasn't so but it is.
I will say that the move to the new graphics style put me off at first but it is starting to grow on me. And I can't help but appreciate this will be easier to add content with this style. It is also, more "timeless". Realistic graphics in MMOs look dated by today's standards (with Unreal 5 and whatnot). You have to admit if they stuck with realism, there would be a loud minority talking about how it looks 10-20 years old before it even launches....
As someone who actively plays on EQ TLP, P99, and retail WoW… pantheon just seems like another wow clone. I don’t see how or why people compare it to old school EQ 😹 you have to group for most serious content? Sounds like classic WoW or Rift to me. Like the play style seems very WoW sequel to me where the spell you get at level 1 is the same spell you use at max level, the very cartoon models and animations. I hope I’m wrong though.
Pantheon is doomed, that is all there is to it. They are stuck in development hell and have made practically 0 progress. The gaming community forgot about Pantheon 10 years ago, and that is only a slight exaggeration. Trying to compare this to BG3 is laughable. Larian actually knows how to make progress.
😅 I don't think my comparison landed. Specifically comparing it saying pantheon should aim for the most successful early access in recent memory is aspirational not "these are the same."
@@Redbeardflynn I mean they should aim to actually make meaningful progress in a reasonable amount of time. That is what BG3 did. We all know the devs behind Pantheon though, we have a long history to look back at and know exactly how much progress they make. Pantheon releasing into early access is more akin to one of the hundreds of Steam games that have released into early access in a barebone state promising to continually update the game. They update the game a handful of times, then go radio silent and die.
Games are difficult to make. They require skilled developers, a continuous stream of money to support development, a strong vision on what the game needs, and a reasonable scope. Pantheon has none of those.
It sucks, cause everyone wants a new modern EQ style MMO that we all can play for thousands of hours, but Pantheon is not that.
Zero progress?
@truedps8 honestly I disagree after playing the game. It does feel like a game I can enjoy already for hundreds of hours, already put in a significant amount. If it can expand out into thousands of hours in the next few years that's great. The content being promised for ea is significant. It's still gonna be an indie mmo but it's very solid or I wouldn't cover it as much as I do
@@Redbeardflynn I can tell just watching people play it has the old EQ magic well intact! I'm disappointed about the clear downgrade in graphics, but the current style is meh good enough and functional, if I had never seen the better look that I obviously prefer first, I probably would have been more accepting of the current look right from the beginning. But the gameplay is clearly there and clearly solid from everything I've seen and that is the most important thing.
The graphics rework killed the game. Now it's a cell phone game without being on a cell phone. What was he thinking ..
Everquest players have always been welcoming IMO and we all know who the target demographic for Pantheon is so should be no worries there.
Playing 2 years and being the same as a two week old player seems absolute garbage to me
I've been in game dev for years working as an environment artist. I found Pantheon during its original Kickstarter that failed to meet the goal. I was really excited for Brads vision of the game. And looking back at that vision, I don't see that game here, as much as Joppa has tried to memory hole the past by removing all old pantheon videos from TH-cam, I have every video they ever posted downloaded and archived. Joppa is quite possibly the worst game dev I have ever seen. I never felt like I could trust a word he said as I could tell he was using industry jargon and technical terms to sound smart and has the side effect of tricking people who don't understand what he's saying into thinking he knows more than he does. He speaks lots of words but says almost nothing. Then I saw things like him talking about switching textures to the HDR pipeline in Unity. There were multiple nearly hour long videos of him and others talking about this but notice they never showed how they were making the change. Thats because the process is largely automated in Unity and takes almost no time at all to do, it's a click of a button and a buffer time. The HDR switch should have taken a single artist about a month at most to do not over a year. I know this because I was responsible for doing exactly that on a game right around the time pantheon was doing so. Then they changed art styles multiple times over the years, dumped mountains of money into a tech demo that will never see the light of day in the game and paid programmers to make custom software for them when programs that do what they needed already existed. And now were stuck with this trash that looks like something a game art student at the art institute would put together. The game looked better 5 years ago. I could literally write pages of text here explaining everything wrong Joppa and the team have done over the years, because there are mountains of lies here. But that full break down will have to wait for the full release of the game so I can release my documentary on the development of the game on my main TH-cam channel.
There will be no growth for this game, it is a joke, and if it does come out as a full release its going to get absolutely dumped on by the mmo gaming community. And that is what it deserves. I still want an new mmo made in the old school style. Pantheon is not that game anymore, no amount of cope and sunk cost will change that.
Ok 😅
It will not.
This game looks like shit.
so recently, after shouting for groups for hours in EQ2 new TLP, I am sick of grouping games. WoW and FF14 has ruined me. I can solo. I can progress without a group.
I am sad, now that Pantheon is here, it bores me to tears. Even after pledging $300 back when Brad was alive, I don't think I am even going to play it.
I keep trying and before I get lev 7, I'd rather stab myself than keep going..... I wanted this game so bad, but now, I couldn't care less about Pantheon .. .. .
@@mgaming7 the new graphics killed it for me and my VIP pledge. Life goes on.
You've been playing MMOG's that forgot the RP...... at least to the point it should be implemented. I like solo too , even love it depending on the class and it should always be made possible in MMORPG's IMO but grouping should always be an important and encouraged mechanic. The social aspect is practically completely lost when MMO's are allowed to become solocentric rather than groupcentric. The basic premise shouldn't be "We'd like you to make friends if you feel like it", it should be "Sometimes you're gonna HAVE to make friends and work together to accomplish hard tasks." Just like the real world. It adds a strong element of realism that needs to be there to have a believable online world to exist in. You should be able to do plenty as a solo player but that much more as a group.
I would agree a slow burn for early access is a good thing. I hope they don't get too caught up on the numbers because early access isn't about the numbers its about making a working game. I would rather see 3,000 to 5,000 dedicated testers then 100k that show up for a week call it crap and they never look at it again. Then they go out and piss all over the game poisoning the future of the game. There are already plenty of people out there hoping this game crashes and burns we don't need more.
My only concern of this game is I am not sure there is the audience for a slow burn MMO any more. Only have to look to Embers Adrift to see why I am worried, yes yes they made a few mistakes, but so has this company. ANY who, lets hope this early access works out great and they hit the milestones at a reasonable pace and do not force the game out before it is really ready.
if you can max level in 2 weeks, i doubt ill play it.
It's definitely a slower paced leveling experience than most current games.
The Pantheon launcher sucks. A friend of mine gave me a buddy key and every time I try to launch the game I get "Login failure, login not permitted at this time" and then the screen crashes and I cant close out the launcher. 10 years of development and they can't even create a decent launcher? M&Ms launcher works perfectly fine. Also, what is the point in giving out buddy keys if you can't even play the game?
That's not the launcher. You don't have access currently. The Buddy keys are actually for a retail version of the game but they were given early. You can play tomorrow with the supporter tier. Buddy Keys were thought not to go out until launch but they were sent out early to let people in earlier.
@@Redbeardflynn My friend bought a $500 pledge level back in 2015. You'd think I'd get a similar key to play when he plays. Thank god for Luclin launching on Teek soon. Vanguard picked a horrible time for early access or whatever with PoE 2 doing the same in November.
yeah I dont see any corporation picking up small mmos. They are huge projects and if your making them for a very niche audience then how much profit is really left over after paying your employees that would go to the corporation. Even monsters and memories I fear is doomed to fail, unfortunately.
Depends on what you mean by "fail" I think. If you're looking for these indie MMOs to get millions of players? Yeah I don't think that's remotely a possibility. But I 100% see both of these MMOs being able to have sustainable playerbases largely because they're targeting a gap in the market that those big corporations don't care about.
@@Redbeardflynn "Depends on the studio expenses. As PoE dev said in a interview: The game can easily be profitable with 10,000 players as long as you don't plan $50 million expansion". It was said in a interview with Josh Strife Hayes.
Being picked up by a corporation is a death sentence to an mmorpg. Their business model corrupts the concept. It's sad that this is now how people think a game can only survive by selling out. This is a reflection of the dire state of the gaming industry. Someone has to find a way to create a developer down model that serves the customer, not investors. We won't see the mmorpg genre evolve past money sinks, as it is now.
@@Redbeardflynn No one is even assuming millions of players but your still assuming atleast 10k concurrent players. But it will likely be around 1k after any launch hype. At 10$ a month is still only 120k a year revenue to pay every ones salaries
@danield-h1j honestly it'd be very sad if that works out to be the case. I hope it won't be.
I quite like a small game where there's not much to do, but content gets added. Reason for this: you really get to squeeze the most out of each area. At the moment I'm obsessed with "No Rest for the Wicked", which has done just this and probably only has about 20% or maybe less than what the whole game will contain. Even though it's not perfect yet, I've been really enjoying it however and am super excited for the next content drop. I even enjoy helping the devs through bug reporting. I will probably do the same thing with Pantheon, and really look forward to the day I can enjoy it without spending a small fortune.
I know I’m swimming against the current here, but just because they say Early Access will drop in December doesn’t mean we should be expecting it. I backed this in 2017, and honestly, it’s felt more like an EverQuest corpse run-full of twists, setbacks, and endless wandering. Every time they change direction, it feels like getting stuck in Kithicor Forest at night. So yeah, until I see the game materialize, it's just another illusion, another mirage in Ro or like that rare spawn that never shows up when you need it.
Not a chance it will work
Game looks very bad I don't see how it can succed in 2024 or beyond, nothing about the game looks exciting, the artsyle sucks, the combat is worse than vanilla wow 2004.
Meh it's fun to me. Been playing it for a year. It's worth giving a try to see if you like it.
@@Redbeardflynn I will
I get it. If you're just judging it from how it looks on a stream or in videos, then it doesn't look very exciting. But it's a game that is far more interesting to play than to watch. It's much more engaging when you're making the decisions on which skill to use at which time, instead of passively watching someone else do that. And the combat doesn't seem very exciting visually because it's not an action-combat style game or a shooter. And I didn't love the revamped graphical style when that news broke. But I can honestly say streams and videos don't do it justice. It looks better in-game.
Actually, actually think the art style is pretty good. Or at least decent but the environments are fantastic. Massive sense of scale and also verticality that you don’t see in many games these days
I feel same way looking a footage. The missing unique spell effects/sounds/animations play a huge part.
Hopefully some of those things will make it into the necro season