Hi Mark, just wanted to say your work is insane - it makes me feel like I'll never get to your level. I've been reading your paper "Recent Work in Relevant Logic" for my essay and my skill level and background knowledge is so low that I can barely understand it. I have experience with papers in like epistemology and ethics but logic is a different beast altogether Hugely underrated channel btw
I remember feeling like that about my undergrad lecturers. It takes time, I did my phd in logic, so I got plenty of training! Thanks for the comment, it’s brightened my day.
Sir, Your channel is extremely high quality and stands out highly amongst the others I have seen recently. Your treatment of Wittgenstein is absolutely impressive. Your efforts are noticed. Kudo's my fellow student of life!
In 1:50 you show a picture from Wittgensteins School, there are two persons marked. Wittgenstein to the left and Adolf Hitler to the right. Just wanted to mention this. How or if they influenced each other is very controversal but its interesting to think about it.
Impressive, getting all that down to 21:05. I wouldn't necessarily characterise therapy as 'relaxing'. On the contrary, it can be highly difficult and force a lot of resistance from 'patients'. I imagine this sense of therapy probably fits more with Wittgenstein's 'Investigations' project of untangling the ways in which ordinary language can trap individuals in delusions of their own making. I think the Tractatus ends on a paradox/cliffhanger - the philosophical equivalent of Michael Caine on the bus, on the cliff edge, at the end of 'The Italian Job', saying: "Hang on a minute, lads. I've got a great idea." If it really was nonsense then the experience of reading it couldn't have helped much. It's probably more that logic makes sense, but not so much as a theory of meaning.
Thanks! Yes you're right about therapy; but still, I wouldn't recommend studying philosophy - at least not technical Phil language, logic, metaphysics - for anyone seeking therapy!
Great video man. Very rigorous and honest presentation on Wittgenstein. I can tell you truly understand the subject. Here are my two cents when it comes to Wittgenstein's believe that philosophy is a form of therapy that helps the mind. Through Dave Ramsey Wittgenstein met and wrestled more with William James' pragmatism. James talks about how it was philosophy that helped him get out of a pessimistic rut and philosophy can't answer the meaningful questions but it can help ask the right questions. If one is stuck they just need to look at the question and realize that as Wittgenstein writes "The solution of the problem of life is seen in the vanishing of the problem". It's when the problem is no longer a problem it will appear solved or no longer important.
Thank you for this wonderful video! Wittgenstein went to war. I suppose it might happen to me these days living in Ukraine. So, reading Wittgenstein's diaries is helpful. However, for me the favourite - Bertrund Russell is. The most. The best.
I didn't realise you're from Ukraine, I hope you're safe & things improve soon. I love Russell too! He is all-round a fantastic philosopher and human being.
Philosophy is like therapy for the soul, whether it makes you better is a different question. Would that mean, that the world we see is fictitious, and limited by our inner language in a Kantian way?
It's not that Wittgenstein is saying "the world is not as it appears" or "the world in and of itself is such-and-such". In fact, he thinks any attempt to say anything like that is meaningless. But there is a consistent theme, in both early and late Wittgenstein, that language delineates what we can express or think about the world, and perhaps how we experience it.
Some interpreters have claimed that Ludwigs philosophy is a soteriology (knowledge about salvation, like Schopenhauers nirvana or christian ethics). They say Wittgenstein in Tractatus wants us to give up metaphysics so we can finally understand that God is outside of our universe and yet he exists. However Wittgensteins god isnt personified - Ludwig doesnt say he is the creator of our world or anything like that. But he finds some mystical source of beauty and morality outside of this world, and calls it god. So in this sense its mystical in Tractatus. Wojciech Sady, a Polish philosopher added that even in his later work, Wittgenstein is a soteriologist. Sady wrote, that by bringing us back to ordinary, Wittgenstein wanted us to find some sort of mystical beauty in everyday life, and trivial situations, so we can appreciate life better. this is a complex subject tho, and many have disagreed about Wittgensteins mysticism, and I personally think that we basically cant find out now, because his writings are so unclear and hard to interpret coherently.
He says: "There is indeed the inexpressible. This shows itself; it is the mystical" (TLP 6.522). He's talking about ethics, religion, language, logic, and philosophy - anything not dealing in contingent empirical facts.
13:25 This is something I don’t really understand. I would say that a picture can be used as a map to represent a fact or it could be used as a blueprint for the construction of a fact. If the picture is a blueprint, then it is a value. Values are then not another fact in the external world outside the mind but instead a typ of picture which shows how someone would want the world to be like.
@@AtticPhilosophy But can values not also represent possible empirical facts? My value is that people should wear sunglasses, and that people wear sunglasses is also a possible empirical fact. The only difference between pictures that are values and pictures which are not would be my emotional attitudes towards them.
I’d say *people wearing sunglasses* is the picture (the representation), to which different attitudes can be taken: should or shouldn’t be like that, or whatever.
@@AtticPhilosophy Agreed. Aforementioned comment was likely a bot. (whether human or otherwise.) I've heard many complain that Wittgenstein is ilegible, difficult to grasp and (insert typical complaint here) but I think he was fairly plain-stated. Although I have sometimes wondered if he didn't have what would be called Asperger's today. Or some other variety of high functioning autism. This is my first view of your channel. I cut my teeth on the Wittgenstein videos. Again, you do well friend. Have you ever read, pondered and/or composed any thoughts on Phillip Mainlanders Philosophy of Redemption?
Hi Mark, just wanted to say your work is insane - it makes me feel like I'll never get to your level. I've been reading your paper "Recent Work in Relevant Logic" for my essay and my skill level and background knowledge is so low that I can barely understand it. I have experience with papers in like epistemology and ethics but logic is a different beast altogether
Hugely underrated channel btw
I remember feeling like that about my undergrad lecturers. It takes time, I did my phd in logic, so I got plenty of training! Thanks for the comment, it’s brightened my day.
Excellent video, thanks !
Thank you for making a more in-depth video.
Sir,
Your channel is extremely high quality and stands out highly amongst the others I have seen recently. Your treatment of Wittgenstein is absolutely impressive. Your efforts are noticed. Kudo's my fellow student of life!
Thanks, that’s very kind!
In 1:50 you show a picture from Wittgensteins School, there are two persons marked. Wittgenstein to the left and Adolf Hitler to the right.
Just wanted to mention this. How or if they influenced each other is very controversal but its interesting to think about it.
Impressive, getting all that down to 21:05.
I wouldn't necessarily characterise therapy as 'relaxing'. On the contrary, it can be highly difficult and force a lot of resistance from 'patients'. I imagine this sense of therapy probably fits more with Wittgenstein's 'Investigations' project of untangling the ways in which ordinary language can trap individuals in delusions of their own making.
I think the Tractatus ends on a paradox/cliffhanger - the philosophical equivalent of Michael Caine on the bus, on the cliff edge, at the end of 'The Italian Job', saying: "Hang on a minute, lads. I've got a great idea." If it really was nonsense then the experience of reading it couldn't have helped much. It's probably more that logic makes sense, but not so much as a theory of meaning.
Thanks! Yes you're right about therapy; but still, I wouldn't recommend studying philosophy - at least not technical Phil language, logic, metaphysics - for anyone seeking therapy!
Great video man. Very rigorous and honest presentation on Wittgenstein. I can tell you truly understand the subject.
Here are my two cents when it comes to Wittgenstein's believe that philosophy is a form of therapy that helps the mind. Through Dave Ramsey Wittgenstein met and wrestled more with William James' pragmatism. James talks about how it was philosophy that helped him get out of a pessimistic rut and philosophy can't answer the meaningful questions but it can help ask the right questions. If one is stuck they just need to look at the question and realize that as Wittgenstein writes "The solution of the problem of life is seen in the vanishing of the problem". It's when the problem is no longer a problem it will appear solved or no longer important.
Thanks!
Thank you for this wonderful video! Wittgenstein went to war. I suppose it might happen to me these days living in Ukraine. So, reading Wittgenstein's diaries is helpful.
However, for me the favourite - Bertrund Russell is. The most. The best.
I didn't realise you're from Ukraine, I hope you're safe & things improve soon. I love Russell too! He is all-round a fantastic philosopher and human being.
@@AtticPhilosophy 😌🙏💙💛
Very nice to know more about the life of Wittgenstein. Context gives meaning.
Thanks!
Great video!! hope you continue making a video of this sort
Thanks!
Thank you, philosophy-David Tennant!
brain melted! thanks! now i must go relearn my first 67 years of life🤔😵💫
This is a wonderful video, thanks for this.
Thank you!
Thank you so much ❤
Great video Mark!
Thanks!
Weak video
Philosophy is like therapy for the soul, whether it makes you better is a different question. Would that mean, that the world we see is fictitious, and limited by our inner language in a Kantian way?
It's not that Wittgenstein is saying "the world is not as it appears" or "the world in and of itself is such-and-such". In fact, he thinks any attempt to say anything like that is meaningless. But there is a consistent theme, in both early and late Wittgenstein, that language delineates what we can express or think about the world, and perhaps how we experience it.
@@AtticPhilosophy I appreciate the clarification.
Awesome, thank you so much
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I don’t quite understand the mystical element of his philosophy. What in his philosophy is mystical?
Some interpreters have claimed that Ludwigs philosophy is a soteriology (knowledge about salvation, like Schopenhauers nirvana or christian ethics).
They say Wittgenstein in Tractatus wants us to give up metaphysics so we can finally understand that God is outside of our universe and yet he exists.
However Wittgensteins god isnt personified - Ludwig doesnt say he is the creator of our world or anything like that. But he finds some mystical source of beauty and morality outside of this world, and calls it god. So in this sense its mystical in Tractatus. Wojciech Sady, a Polish philosopher added that even in his later work, Wittgenstein is a soteriologist. Sady wrote, that by bringing us back to ordinary, Wittgenstein wanted us to find some sort of mystical beauty in everyday life, and trivial situations, so we can appreciate life better.
this is a complex subject tho, and many have disagreed about Wittgensteins mysticism, and I personally think that we basically cant find out now, because his writings are so unclear and hard to interpret coherently.
He says: "There is indeed the inexpressible. This shows itself; it is the mystical" (TLP 6.522). He's talking about ethics, religion, language, logic, and philosophy - anything not dealing in contingent empirical facts.
Wonderful videos!! I’ll go check out your page to see how I can help!
Thanks and thanks!
13:25
This is something I don’t really understand.
I would say that a picture can be used as a map to represent a fact or it could be used as a blueprint for the construction of a fact. If the picture is a blueprint, then it is a value.
Values are then not another fact in the external world outside the mind but instead a typ of picture which shows how someone would want the world to be like.
For Wittgenstein in the Tractatus, “picture” is used in the sense of a representation of a possible empirical fact. They’re factual, not values.
@@AtticPhilosophy
But can values not also represent possible empirical facts? My value is that people should wear sunglasses, and that people wear sunglasses is also a possible empirical fact.
The only difference between pictures that are values and pictures which are not would be my emotional attitudes towards them.
I’d say *people wearing sunglasses* is the picture (the representation), to which different attitudes can be taken: should or shouldn’t be like that, or whatever.
You don't understand Wittgenstein.
Care to elaborate? There are as many interpretations as interpreters of Wittgenstein.
@@AtticPhilosophy Agreed.
Aforementioned
comment was likely a bot. (whether human or otherwise.)
I've heard many complain that Wittgenstein is ilegible, difficult to grasp and (insert typical complaint here) but I think he was fairly plain-stated.
Although I have sometimes wondered if he didn't have what would be called Asperger's today. Or some other variety of high functioning autism.
This is my first view of your channel.
I cut my teeth on the Wittgenstein videos. Again, you do well friend.
Have you ever read, pondered and/or composed any thoughts on Phillip Mainlanders Philosophy of Redemption?
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Great video!! hope you continue making a video of this sort
Thanks! That’s the aim.