I go to the University of Washington to Prove it's a Scam
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It's easy to scam someone. It's hard to convince someone they have been scammed after the facts.
And Even Harder,to get them to admit to it after you convince them.
Someone famous said that quote, can't remember who.. Looked it up, Mark Twain said it first.
Especially when the college graduate makes 40% more than high school graduate on average.
-mark twain
Especially if they've been scammed. That's the very reason they were scammed in the first place, EGO. Their ego won't allow them to believe that they made a mistake.
The Asian dude was very engaged in the conversation respectfully good on him 👏👏 unlike the others in the past just go aggressive and rude..
Yes, seems like he has a brain and can actually think about what Charlie was saying, unlike most liberal young girls with lip piercing and blue hair.
This was "subduded", compared to most college engaugements Charlie has endoured. The brainwashed leftist talks about "hate speach" being a good reason to get physically violent, when they themselves are some of the most hatefull people around....Aka, blm and anti-feefee.
Agreed.
A man of culture
Honestly I think both of them were good, not just the Asian dude
I appreciate that young man wasn't interrupting the conversation. He was actually listening to Charlie and respectfully asking questions.
It’s amazing how civil discourse can lead to a productive exchange of ideas. Who would’ve thought that!?
He comes from an Asian culture which is how they mostly conduct themselves. It is admirable.
lol that is a pathetic low bar there
I agree, I was very impressed.
@@mmcquay73 about what? how pathetically low is the bar to be impressed? this should be very common baseline expectation.
The first kid is one of the best students I've heard speak to you. He has legit arguments, articulates them well and doesn't seem hell bent on an ideology!
He's Asian. There's a reason why college-educated Asians are one of the wealthiest and most successful segments of the US population -- they think critically, work their assess off, and maintain a culture of respect and personal responsibility. The Black segment of the US population, on the other hand ...
Yeah, he actually uses evidence.
If only he read the damn book first :p
Agree
As a UW alum, it's embarrassing that they require a DEI class.
Yup, general electives and DEI is a joke. Sad how far UW has fallen, especially when international students are dominating attendance over instate.
I literally petitioned to use my study abroad to satisfy the DEI credit. I refused to take those bullshit classes.
You are lucky. At Washington University (WUSTL) 15 of the 60 classes for a Physics and Mathematics degree involved studying Literature, a foreign Language, Psychology, some DEI sensitivity thing (I can’t remember exactly), etc. That means 1/4th of the classes you took were not even closely related to your major.
There are colleges that aren’t so bad as WUSTL, but most require anywhere between 9-12 classes out your major. One way around this is to dual major and then some colleges will let you structure your non-major electives to fit in your second major. So for example if your second major was computer science or economics you could fill your non-major electives with classes that lead to a more practical second major.
@@navinadv I did this at Eastern Washington University. Degrees in Political Science and INternational Relations. Completely focused my degree on the business and economic side of the system and avoided most of the DEI stuff as a result
What a joke. So happy I didn’t have that growing up
A diversity class is required… that’s a joke
I would take an F or least a D and tell the professor the next year how dumb it was
@@DarkwebHitman they’ll kick you out if you violate their ideology.
Yep! I took Women's Studies. Nothing but indoctrination into victimhood.
@@steve4462 Depends not all professors are bad and could hate having to teach it.
THAT"S whats wrong with these kids. You can tell when they debate, its their primary focus. Diversity. Diversity should be a 1 day class. Not a full course.
I’m so happy I made it out of that university with a sane brain.
Same here 😂
Are you using your degree?
@@danimalsoundI’m an example of someone that Charlie is talking about. I was a communications major and could probably have the sales job that I have now without a degree. I will say that it looked good on a piece of paper when I first graduated in 2016 but that’s about it.
@@Cf.8463 could probably? Maybe? Perhaps? Really?
@@etchalaco9971 I mean who really knows. The skills I learned in college did not apply to my job I’ll tell you that
Why pay for a scholarship when you can just show up to one of Charlie’s lectures and have him school you for free
Why would someone pay for a scholarship? I get your point, but i think you miss understand some words here....
Because Charlie doesn't teach aviation maintenance. College doesn't either.
Trade schools are the way to go.
Because Charlie only schools college kids
@@danimalsoundnot true. He’s debated lots of people on his show. People who’ve already graduated college and entered professional life.
definition of scholarship: academic study or achievement; learning of a high level
1st off, I love this conversation. Second, I live in WA, and I have to say I'm impressed with the fact that UW kids were actually listening attentively and having a reasonable exchange here! Great job Charlie, you're getting through. I seriously expected some wokeleptic seizures, but these guys actually were respectful.
Please keep coming here! Wa needs to open their eyes and see what this State is doing with our money and resources.
My dad graduated from UofW and he would turn over in his grave if he knew what a mess the place has become. It would break his heart.
I went to school for CS...I learned more from TH-cam and online classes than I ever learned from college.
Same. Learned programming from TH-cam.
True but still had to get a degree for a job such a scam 💀
@@somerandomdude5127You don’t, though. I am an IT Consultant and work for the State of California and I don’t have a degree. The pay isn’t great but I get great benefits.
are you going for a career in CS?
@@somerandomdude5127 yeah and then you're still in competition with software engineers from 5-6 yrs experience as well as finding a way in.
Tech sucks.
I grew up in a rough drug addicted household. Ultimately went down the same road at a young age and went to prison. Got out at 23, went to work for a concrete contractor. I then went on my own and started my own company, in 2 years on my own we now have 5 full time employees and are doing over a million a year.
thats insane dude
Grats, similar story. Got out started a garage, got a trade degree. Making about 30k gross a week. Keep it up bro!
@@RipliWitani Garage doing what?
Good job turning it around.
I put 4 out of 6 kids through the UW they got a great education I believe, but they didn’t really need it. I taught them they could do whatever they wanted and they would succeed. My wife graduated from UW so she wanted them to go. My story is different.
After spending most my childhood in juvenile detentions, I ran away at 15 to Seattle from Wisconsin. Never finished high school. Lied about my age and found odd manual labor jobs on the docks. Those led to commercial fishing jobs going to Alaska. Lots of good people helped me make my way up the ladder from greenhorn to Captain to Boat owner. I hold a merchant mariner credential that would allow me to work, or run a wheelhouse or engineroom on any vessel on any ocean in the world. It’s work ethic that makes the person. Not someone else’s idea of what education is. My true hope is that I live long enough to see Trump elected, then have his policies turn this country around so my grandchildren have a fighting chance to make something of themselves.
I live in western Washington and Seattle is Liberal central. These kids won't listen to both sides of issues because it's what they're taught in school and in the home.
I moved away from Seattle after living there for 30+ years. Most universities are nothing more than indoctrination warehouses that brainwash the naive youth while robbing them of their money. These kids graduating will spout liberal talking points until they hit their 40's and realize that they have been lied to the whole entire time. We are starting to see that right now with the disgruntled millennials many of whom are in denial and don't want to admit the truth as they are unemployed and saddled with massive student loan debts.
High 5
I live here too! They start early on heavily pushing college to all the middle and highschoilers. As though you will be nothing without it and only the smart have gone to college. It truly is a scam! I once took a college AIDS and HIV class for my dental assisting prerequisite and the teacher went on for the whole class claiming Christians are the reason for all things that are bad. Indoctrination is so real
I grew up on Mercer Island and I can't stand what SEA/PDX culture has become. So much of liberal culture has become exactly the opposite of what they claimed they used to be. They are anti free speech, for total government control, anti women's rights, anti parental rights, and openly racist. The indoctrination of Evergreen state has spread like a disease.
It’s so sad Seattle is lost.
Taxpayers should definitely not be funding colleges. 100% absolutely agree.
College kids should not be allowed to vote either. Most are not net positive taxpayers
Actually they should. Society benefits from an educated population.
@@BadMannerKoreadepends who is in charge, or else your education is that if a boy chops off his weeen he can be a girl, thats not education, or if youre born a certian skin color youre bad
@@BadMannerKorea not for this type of educational system. im from washington.. trust me, its shit.
@@jouravelco What does that even mean, this type of educational system? It’s a public research university.
A college education is not... wait for it... about getting an education. It's about teaching you to "conform", and surrender your free will, in order to get a place in their "selected" society.
That's literally the primary intention of citation use though. They'll only let your thesis slide if you use the citations from their fellows. Citing that conspiracy theorist with 5k subscriber and 1,200 views? Lol goodluck, even though that guy is shadowbanned and deliberately crushed by the algorithm.
My Daughter graduated from college with a "soft social" degree. She, NOW, has mental problems dealing in the field she was hired to help. Makes me thing the "crazy" people are smarter than her!!!
How?
Sometimes the only mistake you made as a parent was sending your child to public school
@ghhm2705 With all due respect, saying public schools are the problem is a bit of a stretch. They can offer great education and opportunities. Private schools, on the other hand, can have issues too, like fostering entitlement and lacking discipline. At the end of the day, both types of schools are businesses that care about money more than anything else. Just speaking from my own experience here.
@@Gordon_Chen The private schools had higher discipline than the public schools.
Except maybe in sports.
@@Gordon_Chen Look at the world league table for education and America has an abysmal position for the supposed best in the world country for everything Pah.
I'm a self made Machinist, had lots of help on the way to get here but zero schooling and I'm proud of that. I dodged the scam!
God bless ya
@@CallMeFil "God bless ya"
(Google adds a "translate to English")
Theres no scam
Imagine how successful you could have been if you had gotten an education!
My dad was a millwright. He taught me everything I know. I should atleast get my fancy dancy welding certificate just so my welds are "legal", and become an electrician so i dont have to call one when im working on something
I know a guy that is a high school drop out and got his GED a few years later. He is now the 'go to' guy where he works and the higher ups seek his opinion over his 4 year degree coworkers. I work in the same department he works in and most of the people that work with him say he is easily the most intelligent person in the entire department on the production floor.
I have a friend who is a hs drop out and he’s the GM of the company he works for. He has lots of university grads working for him and he could easily step in and do any one of their jobs. He is self taught and has read many books on management and leadership. He has proven Charlie’s point.
Mental attributes are no different than physical attributes, they are genetically inherited. If Charlie was honest, he would acknowledge his inherited gifts. Charlie has a photographic memory which he opportunistically leverages to beat down his opponents. It makes for great entertainment but anyone who realizes his advantages, also knows he isn't playing completely honestly debating those who don't have ChatGPT-Lite in their wet-wear.
Ask Elon Musk if he gives a shit about your college degree...can you actually think or just regurgitate like a loonyversity parrot ?
Street smarts and common sense, 💪💪
@@ricknash3055 He's very well read, very informed, & self taught he put in the time & effort, yet you say he's got some bag of tricks?? 😂
“After 5 years, nobody cares where you went to college.” Very true. With the choice between learning on the job for 5 years (and getting paid the whole time) and paying an institution to learn for 4, I think the choice is clear.
I had a girl tell me one of her college classes was ROCK CLIMBING. I told her why don't they just not teach that class, refund your money, & let you take off FIVE HOURS A WEEK so you can pursue that at your leisure at your own expense, because it had nothing to do with her degree.
Colleges offer fitness classes because they have gyms. It's just like paying a gym membership. That was definitely not required unless she was doing kinesiology or something.
@@olivergreer3690 When I went to community college, there were phys ed requirements. I think 2 or 4 credits worth - basically two separate classes over two semesters. You could choose from their offerings.
@@olivergreer3690 Charlie will try to taint mothers milk if given the platform. I'll let my best pal who graduated from UW with masters in accounting and went on to become the CIO of major US corporation. He's worth ten of you, Charles, and he isn't a d@@k!
My ex stady at santa monica college and she had dance classes, I am not from US and don't get it what dance classes have to do with " Biology degree ", 10 years later she still paying for that BS
@@olivergreer3690 a gym membership for $500 for three months? yikes
Seattle is the lions den. Well done.
Seattle is a toilet. No offense to actual toilets. Ive watched it degrade to what it is. Anyone who thinks its nice is either extremely nearsighted or never goes anywhere outside a small area. Or both
@@pitchforkpeasant6219 lol the chaz
Seattle was so great. But this is what decades of voting blue does to people and a city/state.
i live near seattle and go there to work. there are homeless drug addicts literally everywhere
Seattle used to be a nice city on the water. In the last 5 years along things have become significantly worse. The CHOP/CHAZ zone was insanity. Or should I say the "summer of love" lol. Homeless everywhere, needles on sidewalks in the downtown area, businesses leaving....
Not to mention this many people in western WA who wanted to force people to show a "vaccine passport" to enter businesses. One of the highest percentage of brainwashed people in the country. It's called the left coast for a reason.
"The government should not be subsidizing higher education" that is SO true.
Should it subsidize high school?
@@soonaheronot any more than whatever it's budgetted for now, especially when they're failing to teach fundamentals for k-12
@@simunator why fund public kindergarten?
The true use and meaning of a university has been lost for decades
After 4-5 years, someone who starts working early after 8 weeks of training will be more qualified than a new college graduate.
Yep. I've worked with a couple people that were fresh out of tech school for automotive repair, and half the stuff they said they learned ended up being useless, real world experience trumps studying on paper. Theories on paper don't always work in the real world / there are better ways to do & learn stuff.
@@Stickerz94 maybe cause thats a job that doesnt need a degree lol
They will be yes. They won't be making as much as the graduate though. I see payrolls and know you're flat wrong on the unspoken leap you're making.
Until the graduate also gets real world experience. Most of the time, you are more well rounded and better equipped for the real world when you get a formal AND hands on education as opposed to one vs the other. You skip college and there's a good chance your "teachers" (bosses, co-workers etc.) aren't great leaders or instructors. This argument of college is a scam can be true but to say you shouldn't go to college because it can be a scam is disingenuous or bad advice.
Uni paid off for me, but I was a double major in electrical engineering and applied mathematics. That said, almost all of what I know today I learned on the job, but my formal education enabled me to understand a lot the "whys" of what I learned. I think the biggest problem today is that with so many attending uni, it's value has gotten very diluted.
Dropped out of UW and it was the best decision I've ever made.
My teachers in high school told me I could’ve gone to UW, WSU, Yale, Harvard, Stanford or somewhere else.
Then I got expelled.
Thanks for giving me no regret of my expulsion
@@SpaceBethC131would’ve, should’ve, could’ve
Should have been a Coug…
I graduated from UW and it's the best decision I ever made.
@@de362 Cool story.
Facts are a hard and bitter pill to swallow sometimes. Thank you Charlie.
None of these kids defending college will figure out they didnt need college until theyre out of college.
That's life for you. But at the same time, no one needs college to sustain themselves. We need college to delve into a niche, specialized field of study. Even Indiana Jones said that his "job" was 70% research, and learning how to do that alone, properly, takes longer than high school can provide.
Anyone should be able to find a job and support themselves. But a degree was designed to make you better equipped for a specialized field, and the return over the course of life should have made the initial investment worth it over becoming an HVAC tech... but it's no longer sustainable.
It's paid for by their rich parents that live in the area, thats facts, i live 30 mins south and they have the stigma, WSU is the party school on the eastern part of the state where the middle class folks can afford to go.
they'll hopefully realize when the 4 years are done
And when they eventually have kids on the cusp of high school graduation, they won't recommend college to them. Colleges are shooting themselves in the foot. No foresight.
That kid talking is 100% full-sail from his parents. It's clear from his first point about students not being able to afford it. He is silver spoon.
"take this 8-week course and earn $100k!" . Yeah Charlie... *THAT* is a scam.
I'll bet you are right.
As a software developer, he has that wrong. 8 weeks is not long enough to learn to code. Also, even the best of developers are struggling to get work right now. The market is DEAD for juniors. Too many tech layoffs. AI is also a part of that problem. I have 8 years experience and struggle to even get an interview. There are so many people even more senior than me taking junior-level jobs for lower pay just to have work and it shoves all newbies that don't have an inside connection out of the market entirely as well as other mid-level to senior devs. If I didn't have a friend with a successful startup that hired me recently, I wouldn't have a job in this market.
I went through a coding bootcamp, was given an internship with a high level company, and even if the question about my scholastic endeavors came up, they never mattered. What matters is your performance and ability to do the job. End of story.
@@sparkfx5874 Exactly. I don’t have any medical degree or education, but I’m now a self declared doctor. What matters is performance!!
I was accepted to their MBA program. Left before it started because they required students to sign and adhere to DEI policies that violated my values. They also held mandatory ‘indoctrination’ events where disagreement was not allowed.
Did the same thing last year at a job. worked just part time when they needed staff for events, I would not take the class took my work shirt off, had another shirt under it a t shirt, threw it on the floor and walked out
I love these kind of testimonies. I appreciate people like you that have a value system and stick to it. We are moving to Southern Idaho (technically we moved from Texas to live temporarily on my father in laws property in WA so we could move to Idaho…WA was never the destination) but so many of my wife’s family can’t understand why we would leave being close to them.
Uhhh cuz I have two young boys and I’m not raising them in a state as woke as WA. Plus the weather sucks ass.
@@Briathos1 When we lived near Tampa use to work the NFL football game doing security, when they started taking the knee I quit, got a job at the clearwater aquarium where Winter the Dolphine was making more money working just 1 night a week watching the cameras and walking around did volunteer work doing animal rescues and rehab
What didn't follow your values exactly?
@@melissalamfalusi8208 Being required to take a course on DEI is, ironically, inherently racist. It's the exact opposite of the 'I' it is supposed to represent. The issue is most from the left can't wrap their head around this concept. The group think is that strong.
At 10:43 Kirk mentioned about mispronouns and a student laughed, indicating that it’s true what garbage is being taught in colleges.
What a W girl
She’s one of his goons🤣
I love how all these kids Kirk asks “did you read it” and they always say no
Dude I ran to the comments to post something like this. Like why would you go up to him in front of all of those students ready to talk about the book and the first words he has when asked if he read the book was “no.” It really kinda makes you look ignorant and close minded
Because they don’t read their college books either
As a college student majoring in computer science and minoring in mathematics, this man is spitting FACTS.
I worked for a company, worked hard, earned many awards for excellence and never completed college. At an event at the CEO’s home, the COO asked me what my. College degree was. I told him Hard Knocks. He got it.
If you get a gym membership and you don’t go to the gym that’s on you, you get a bad degree that’s on you…
If you go to college with no real plan, thats on you. Not the college
Obviously what Charlie said went sailing over your head.
@@JeremiahChisumgosse no I understood it but thank you
@@JeremiahChisumgosse
No, it didn’t go over anyone’s heads. His arguments are just bad. “Most people don’t finish” + “most people work jobs that don’t utilize their degree” does not = scam.
Bull$hit. My second degree, I went back when I was 27. This was 24 years ago. And useless expensive classes were requirements for my degree in "education". That's right, a teaching degree. 24 years ago, and liberal insanity was already brainwashing and blatantly liying about everything they could think of.
My son is 24 now but he used to tell me universities are a scam.😳
And he's right!
My sister attended a 4 year college. One of her instructors told her " a degree is just a piece of paper with your name on it, telling your future employer that you were dedicated for four years."
Yes and it also means that you had the staying power and temerity to see something through for four years.
@@larushka1 At one time, probably so. These days most employers know you can spend 4 years drinking & partying, & still get a degree.
@@darkgalaxy5548 Then why is the drop out rate still so high if graduating was that easy?
@@qwposwpo9249 Too hung over to attend classes.
@@larushka1 Super wrong, you can just sit there and do the minimum and walk away with the same paper.
I dropped out of UW and didn't have a college degree but worked as an engineer at the biggest tech company in the world making more money then most people with college degrees. This man is correct with what he says.
I didn't even go to college so I didn't drop out of college and I make more money than college drop out.
I wish we have in my country (France) more people like him not afraid to debate and ready to tell the truth.
No child left behind failed us zoomers. I dropped out of art school at 18 and worked retail until I found a skilled trade at 21. I've been a professional tree climber for five years, it's way cooler than any of these losers jobs, and I make more money.
That started in the 90s. It failed the last two generations.
@@EyeofValor It was signed into law in early 2002 by George W the younger, boomer
Open borders equals no job and low wages. 😤 🙏🇺🇸
👏👏👏 I'm with ya!!!
your country exists because once it had open borders
@@pteeradukteel Having closed national borders is not wrong. It is a neutral situation. People making the choice, for whatever reason they have, to illegally cross into another nation, is wrong.
@@pteeradukteelWe never have undocumented immigrants even when we were still colonies🤣You’re so F’d in your history.
And it lowers inflation. Also why do conservatives care? Just don't take up those jobs, get an education lmfao
They should know already it's a scam . I lived there for 50 years and they are aware
Do you still live in Seattle? Its a toilet. No offense intended toward actual toilets. Some people there must be blind. Crime is a nightmare
@@pitchforkpeasant6219That made me laugh. Very true though.
I dropped out of high school and started my own business. Now I own a home and lots of toys. Spend most of my time doing what ever I want😂
I do environmental, health, and safety out in California, i have no degree and make well into 6 figures while peers are 6 figures in debt and work for me. These people are so blind and biased toward their education.
Forcing all students to take Sociology type classes is a way to try and indoctrinate as many kids as possible
And generate a lot of revenue to support the massive college bureaucracy. College is just another bloated government apparatus.
if by indoctinate you mean to learn how to treat everyone with respect not based on if they are white like you then that's fine with most people in this world. As in- To live in a society where everyone gets along. Im down with that.
@@doesitmatter8866 racist
@doesitmatter8866 That's not what happens. They teach Theory which doesn't teach you to treat others with respect. They teach you that the western heterosexual male is the enemy. Been there, done that.
My husband is the only guy in his company location with no college degree. He is an electrical engineer basically making more than the guys with degrees because he worked his butt off to get there. 5 years ago he was digging holes in -15 degree weather as a new construction electrician. He worked his way through all the different kinds of electrical and used his experience to get where he is.
Doesn't mean college is a scam, just that people get worthless degrees. Liberal Arts still have loads of money in em
High school dropout here. Been a computer programmer 40 years now earning over $100k. College absolutely never mattered and still doesn’t. If you can do the thing, you’ll get hired.
Did your job require a degree? Curious
@@trahadbad no, never. I’ve been working for big corps this whole time. Some of the best I.T. Guys I’ve known weren’t college guys. And some, like me, were HS dropouts.
40 years computer programmer over 100k? Usually takes 2 years to get that for CS graduate
market is completely different now from when you dropped out of high school dude…
programming has a very low threshold. only the very tip top work would actually require academic background. everything below, college will teach u very little and the internet will be a better teacher. u r also lucky to have been born in the early stage of the internet. that ship has sailed. the infrastructure has been built and things are getting outsourced and automated. even those with big tech experience cant find jobs.
Thats why Community College is the way to go, Universities nowadays are for profit, not your success.
This was great to watch, everyone was well mannered, making their point respectfully, no interrupting, being disrespectful or having a bad attitude, this is how debate should be!
I wish I had known this before I had gone to college 😅. I got 2 degrees, worked in that field for 3 years, and had to stop working to take care of my 100% disabled veteran husband. I still owe over $60k. 😢
Appreciate your husband’s Service. Stay strong!
such a respectful debate glad to see it
Competition ended when they started doing, "everybody gets a trophy" in the early 2000's. Anything funded by the government ends competition and inspiration.
Maybe in the US. But in some parts of Europe, government funded institutions tend to do better.
Everything the government touches turns to excrement.
My 21 year old taught himself how to code at 14. He is highly motivated and makes over $200,000 a year. His 27 year old brother went to UW for accounting, still owes student loans, and makes under $100,000. The 21 year old is laughing all the way to the bank. Charlie is 100% correct!
Some kids get breaks without a degree if they have the talent, and the LUCK OF THE IRISH. You, charles, are an example of someone who uses hate and deception to make invalid points with minimal data. "I hid out at a school once" doesn't cut it!
@@wingman416 Charlie's points are mainly half-truths. Success is highly individual, as seen by the OPs 2 kids...you can't teach resilience, grit, motivation or even leadedship skills...sometimes the are innate, while for others it is how you were raised.
You can't teach success in 4 little yrs of college, but it can make it easier by providing the tools needed for success.
@@jamiu22 Well put! Thanks for the explanation. God bless!
@@wingman416 Imagine dismissing the effort that 14 year old put into learning how to code on their own. Then, projecting their success is due to some kind of lucky break. Charlie is spot on.
it's almost funny that with so many highly educated people with expensive pieces of paper showing how smart they are, yet so many easily solved problems plague our CULTure.
IF YOU ARE NOT going to college for a specialized career, then its a waste of time
Well obviously you wouldn’t want to go and just get a random degree. That’s just common sense
@@jacklaker1939 tell that to the hundreds of thousands of kids indebting themselves with psychology, art, music, social sciences, and practically anything liberal. Theres plenty of them out there and theres plenty of of people not using their degree for anything but wall art.
@@jacklaker1939 Tell that to the kid going for CS, which is a non-specific general degree.
So college isn't a scam? If it's a scam it applies to all degrees. You can't claim it's a scam but not a scam....
@@BadMannerKorea A dentistry or engineering degree is not a scam, a degree in basket weaving or an mfa in puppetry is not going to take you very far outside
UW student here. Thought it would be helpful to clarify that our diversity requirement isn’t for one specific class on diversity. For example, I’m pre-pharmacy and I took a “History of the AIDS Epidemic” class to satisfy my diversity credit.
By age 40 you recoup the cost.. Does that include having a house and a family?
Well, no.
Nope, it's all leftist losers in studio apartments with cats
@@robertewalt7789 Actually kinda, yes. That's why it takes so damned long. People cannot pay extra forward on their 100k+ debt.
It means you paid off your student debt, as per longitudinal data from the 90's probably.
Half of the comments are “I didn’t go to college/I dropped out and I make a lot of money, therefore all college educations and degrees are useless.” Don’t assume that your experience holds true for everyone.
The teachers at UW want you to fail. The tests have nothing to do with what they teach. Especially to get into the Business program.
It is so good to see these students willing to listen and evaluate the merits of the argument politely. This is the way productive discord happens.
C and Ds get degrees. I saw so many kids coast their way during my university years.
Software engineer for major tech company here:
Charlie is 100% correct.
I don't have a degree. I got out of the military, went through a coding boot camp with zero software related skills, graduated, networked on linked in and landed a job at a major tech company. I was able to bypass 4 years of wasting my time and money by not going to college. Doing the 8-week coding boot camp won't teach you everything, but it will get you off the ground and the rest is up to your self discipline (which you will need in the real world anyways)
Maybe ten years lol. Not today
@@kevinryoo I am sure most everyone is stuck at entry level unless they are special anyway the layoffs are huge.
@@kevinryoo well you assumed very wrong 🤣
uhh yeah.. listen to this advice guys. (Less competition for me)
I don't agree with college, it's a ponzi scheme, but like all ponzi schemes of life if you want to win the game you have to play the game. For medical and STEM fields this advice is simply not true. Just say you're from pre-2023 era where bootcamp codemonkeys were a viable hire and move on. In the era of AI spring, codemonkeys are obsolete. The real challenge is and has always been problem solving paradigms that cannot be taught in a non-theory heavy bootcamps. Systems design, data structures and algorithms, none of these are 'coding' related. You can even implement them in natural language pseudocode. Coding is and was never the challenge of SWE. Good luck finding a job after 2023 with a bootcamp certificate. It's simply disingenuous.
@@kevinryoo I work for quite the opposite of a small tech company
The only thing I didn't agree with what charlie said is that you can get a 6 figure job with ONLY an 8 week coding boot camp. That is laughable. It takes an 8 week coding boot camp and about 6+ months of very hard work.
Bottom line is all the colleges care about. The education - if you can call it that - doesn't match the money you pay.
As someone who considers himself "over-educated," (significant degrees of various significance), I cannot agree with Charlie more. Truly brilliant work!!
Don’t get scammed people. Vote Republican, and demand term limits
Both of those things won't stop this kind of scam.
Ah yes, give power to a neo-nazi!
Apply at the USPS
God bless you, Charlie!!!
They are also being taught by people that haven’t been in the private sector for centuries in some cases
What the second kid said points to the scam. The job field for computer science is oversaturated. So 50k people went and spent $100k on their degree just to compete for the 20k job openings in the field. Or even better, the job they get in their field pays them 20 bucks an hour. You are sold that the job is high paying and it's just not. You spent 25k a year just so you can make 40.
I think what you do is amazing. I wish you could go to the University of Oklahoma and debate my son. He's been totally brainwashed.
BUMP!
I wouldn't have landed my six figure position without a college degree, period.
That doesn’t mean you need the degree to do the job. What do you do for work?
Congratulations for being the exception to the rule…
@@xBRVTALx I work in Sales and marketing. I would not have gotten to the interview stage without a college degree on my resume.
@@Clark-ti2hr I'd argue that's not really enriching society. Also, did it matter what degree you got or just that you had one in the general 'business' field?
More important question is, what was your degree subject & did it have any relevance with the job?
How many go to college and when they graduate the type of work is gone. FOR INSTANCE. Data processing then windows came out. SO MANY MORE phone companies. TV. now Ai will be the future.
that is why you get intangible skills.
Unless you're going to be a lawyer, doctor, or an engineer you dont need a college degree.
As someone who went to college and got into sales, the stat on getting a job without a degree is so true. Half of the people I work with dont have degrees, doctor & lawyers yeah I get it, but a vast majority of people I went to college with even got out and got jobs that have nothing to do with their major lol. College is 4 years to figure out how to live by yourself and also party. thats my thought at least.
Charlie has really opened our eyes about college. It helped us to look at colleges from a different perspective when choosing some for our daughter. She was homeschooled, and one of her teachers at the co-op she attended was retired from the college she will be starting in Fall and we got a lot of insight into the school. It's a Christian college and we got insight into their beliefs because several of their students interned with our daughter's church youth group. Thanks to Charlie, we knew what to look for in a college! Trade school was an option too after listening to Charlie!
So wise. If ya send your kids to Caesar….don’t be surprised if they come out like Caesar haha.
Christian College? Just sounds like a pre-school
@@melissalamfalusi8208 you can believe that. My research and in-person research of this particular university has shown the university produces successful, productive members of society who also have retained and grown in their faith. I wouldn’t let my daughter attend it if I thought it was pre-school.
"I didn't read the book, but please explain to me everything in the book because I am lazy"
- The first guy
I mean reading the book would have been better for the first guy in a debate and knowledge standpoint, but not reading a book doesn't necessarily make you "lazy", for all we know this guy might have just shown up to simply state his opinion on the matter. But I do agree reading the book would have been better for him
@@aviationfan-yv6pu We both know from how he talked he is your typical brainwashed person. He had no intention of reading anything, and wanted to try and prove Charlie wrong.
UW HUSKY alum here. College is totally a scam. But, it was extremely fun nonetheless. Go Dawgs!!!
Yep, college is a scam /s. I'm now a doctor without an education. Wanna be my first patient?
@BadMannerKorea yeah I heard washington state was giving out licenses to illegal immigrants
True it's fun, if only I don't get bad professor standing class and hard exam for non sense
I know 2 people that have degrees in the fields of anthropology and psychology. They both went through the Harvard course and got jobs in the IT industry shortly after completing it. They both came in pretty prepared for the job and in the areas they weren’t, quickly picked it up. Both are now SME’s that work with Fortune 500 companies and governments.
Does Charlie really think you can learn to code in 8 weeks and get a 100k job? 🤦
The first guy was knowledgeable and respectful, good one
The second one was silly I hope he is gifted in his field other wise by his own words he is doomed I say doomed to be in the mediocre in his words part of the business for many are called but few are chosen.
Hey Charlie
Killing it again!! Love it!! 😂
oh no I've been scammed after getting my mechanical engineering degree from UW which set me up with a job post grad making $105,000 a year and an internship junior year, and I only owe $15,000 in student loans :( i should have been a brick layer and done a real mans job :( god dammit that 3 credit diversity class I took freshman quarter that met once a week ruined me and wasted 4 years of my life :(
Why would we blame the college for your freaking decision that you need to make for your own life? God these kids are like a little children babies.
God bless that young man conversating with Charlie 🇺🇸 Freedom of Speech respectful way !! Much respect young man 🇺🇸😎
You can’t learn to code in 8 weeks lol 😂 bootcamps are scams too
University is like going to a store to buy new jeans, but they force you to also buy a rainbow colored fedora with a feather inside of it, and you MUST always wear the two together OR ELSE they take away both and you don't get your money back.
I went to college for three years to get a degree in construction management. I'm making bombs now. 20 plus an hour. More than I was making as a project manager and an project engineer for a large company. And still paying my student loan back. College is a waste of time and money.
Was making 40 an hour doing remodeling. Having to deal with a bunch of rich libs was a downside. And I mean RICH
If colleges were so convinced their degrees were meaningful, then THEY would provide the financing and student loans to students.
UW grad here. UW absolutely force students to take meaningless classes such as gender studies, diversity class, or POC history lessons that are 100% irrelevant to their degrees.
I have been saying this for years. Nice to meet you.
My ex husband is the VP of IT for a global billion dollar company. He doesn’t have a degree.
That does not mean that everyone is capable of doing the same !
@@indrajitghosh4415 I think this person was talking about their own success that they've had without having a degree. Marry a rich dude, divorce him, and get alimony. Key words: "ex husband". I'm just joking BTW.
@@cokikillide5855 lol
@@indrajitghosh4415Exactly! These people are delusional
@@indrajitghosh4415I agree not everyone is capable. Motivation really calls on the core of your being.
I found it odd that the CS student especially was fighting so hard to make Charlie see his degree wasn't worthless. Fine. If you feel you're spending your money wisely on compulsory DEI classes, more powerful to you.
what? I study computer science, and more than half of the courses I took in the first year (currently first year) that I study feel like a scam to me. Currently, out of 5 courses that I am required to take, only one course feels important to me, and all the other 4 courses feel really unnecessary to me. I took a total of 10 courses this year, and probably only 2 might have been essential, a maximum of 4
Because 41% of kids can't graduate doesn't mean college is a scam 🤦♂ Because you dropped out from High school doesn't mean High school is a scam 🤦♂
It starts with the admission committee emphasizing Diversity over ability. Many colleges hide behind a holistic admission policy that shows impressive admission statistics for public consumption and yet ignore the matriculation rate of the students now carrying student debt.
@@99Michael Not to mention college is so much more expensive than it used to be and needs to be. Back in the 70s a college kid could have worked the summer in a ford factory and would have been able to pay off an entire semester of college.
@@99Michael Does the fact that some colleges do NOT emphasize diversity still make all of them a scam? There are still plenty of colleges out there that do not mandate nor emphasize diversity and put out good graduates. Plus these still have a path to a full engineering degree for half the cost of what many of these 'advanced basket weaving' graduates pay.
The first young man was good. He showed respect and engaged in a productive conversation. He will go far.
100% the burrito bowl comment resonated with these kids! Love it!
I do not think university is a scam; however, I think it is way overpriced.
Yeah, this host has a very extreme take and a bad attitude. These labor jobs will likely top out in income opportunity far before the C.S. jobs will. General electives and mandatory classes aside. The issue is more nuanced than he is selling.
I know so many people then when they had finished the college that never worked on the area that they graduated.
A college never guarantees that
I spent 7 years in college to get a bachelor’s and master’s degree in education. Taught for 4 years and left. Got into surgical dental sales. Did that for 25 years. Corporate BS finally wore me out. Now I drive a tractor trailer.
@@jumpinjojo and how much money do you make per year?
@@joaopedrobaggio4475 Currently, about $80,000. When I was in dental sales, much more. Closer to $120,000.
Shouldn't that mean that employment is a scam? They're the ones who have these entry level requirements.
I'm gonna go ahead and assume you didn't make it through college.
@@hxhdfjifzirstc894 postgrad actually. And yes, the difference in positions is based on level of education. You cannot reduce one without doing it across the board.
One can argue that a degree in economics is a scam, depending on the area of emphasis. The predictive ability of economics is notoriously poor. Microeconomics is based on theory that makes absurd assumptions: perfect knowledge, no large firms, rationality, utility maximization. As a university professor, I actually agree with Kirk on many points. There is a self-serving goal of undergraduate education professor. I am a medical scientist-infectious diseases. It is a different world in the academic medical center compared to liberal arts undergraduate education. A totally different world. I’d be terribly upset if my daughter wanted to major in a useless degree at a costly private university.
I have a high-school diploma but didn't go to college. I started working in Amazon in 2019 as a seasonal delivery driver. I just got my second promotion last October and now I'm a level 4 working in Cyber Security. I'm very grateful to not be in debt at 28 years old and having built myself a pretty decent resume so far.