Just FYI, the mission said it will change your rank to "Dutchy" because that's the highest you can go as a subject. It's been an issue for a while now, and I really wish they would update the tooltip to tell you. Also since Bulgaria is a formable nation, I think that mission is one of the easiest ways to get an early Empire Rank..
I played as Bulgaria too a week ago. I couldn't become independent until 1460. After defeating the Ottomans they then got dogpiled by their smaller neighbors, Venice and eventually the Mameluks so I couldn't get my hands on a lot of territory after the 1st war. Eventually I became the no.1 Great power, completed all the missions and got bored in the late 1600s (normal difficulty). It was definitely fun and more rewarding than starting as a large independent nation. Thanks for doing this video!
@@todortodorov5299 me wanting to form byzantium as Bulgaria. Which 100 years after doing so my ruling dynasty suddenly became greek even tho my primary culture is bulgarian (swapped back after formimg byzantium) It was curses. Greek was only left in athens due to its monument
@@Pykerivous that's fine. It's kinda accurate historically. Now I want to do it. Never considered that I can swap back after forming Byzantium. I've considered starting az Byzantium and changing primary culture to Bulgarian though.
For the "powerful starting ideas" thing I think you were thinking about generic anatolian ideas. Ramazan and Dulkadir both have them and start with 20% CCC and 5% discipline.
27:20 Totally agree on your points about a siege rework. For one, i would like to see some interactions with supply like naval blockades and complete encirclements. Might be hard to implement but cities like constantinople should almost be impossible to conquer without a proper assualt (and it should house a sizable army) while forts like Kerak (out of the top of my head) should not be assualted but sieged down.
@49:00 that's Albania saying "hey, this Bulgaria guy is getting a bit big and I am scared, better cozy up to someone equally big to keep them off of me" and France responding with "yeah I don't need another European superpower. Let's keep them in check by allying this nation to limit their options"
The one change to the warfare system I'd do is change manpower. It should be greatly expanded (atleast x2-x3) BUT the lower it is, the lower the quality of your troops, the more debuffs you should get (like more unrest, increased dev cost etc) and it should tick up much slower.
I'm with you, except for making it tick up slower. If you're playing a minor, you'll get one war per ruler because you never have troops. Plus that initial expansion of your army would ruin you and fighting the rebels because of it would then end you.
You should probably have kept the ottomans alive and used their perma claims from their mission tree to supplement your lack of tree. They would’ve taken their first mission when they took Byzantium so it should have been easy enough.
Didn't they Not Take the Mission because they didn't make constantinople their Capital? Maybe because they were instantly declared upon by the mamluks.
I wish Eu4 had a men-at-arms like CK3, customizing my army is very fun in that game. Plus many nations imply that multiple forms of infantry/Calvary were used simultaneously, it'd be fun to be able to use longbowmen and pikemen at once.
I think there should be supply lines that go through occupied provinces and supply armies that are over the base province supply limit, armiess that are cut off will not get any supply limit from tech, forts block supply lines instead of movement. So you can run past forts, but you'll take a lot of attrition unless it's a small army (below the base supply limit)
@28:00 you should have the ability to choose to offer them terms of their surrender. Happened all the time, attacking armies would make certain promises should they turn over the fort without a battle, like promising to not plunder, murder, etc. And I agree with the stance thing. Be able to pay like 1 military monarch point per month to add +1 to each siege roll for aggressive. Maybe some other modifiers that could change your armies moral, like promote raiding/plundering for +5% morale but will add to devastation and separatism/unrest afterwards. I think that would be neat.
19:55 It's fun but it's not really needed to recreate the border like of an old empire. Ottoman, Russian and Holy Roman Empire claim themself to be succesor of Roman empire but only Ottoman that hold many of the ancient Roman borders + Iraq, Hungarian, Romanaian and Crimean. The only thing important for Roman claimant is holding the city of Roma or Constantinople anyway
Imagine going for a second masters knowing you'll always be second to Redhawk? Jokes aside, both of your performances as casters on speed 5 was wonderful. You have great chemistry and both roll with it very well.
I played a game as Hejaz (? I think, whichever one is a Mamluk vassal) and I got Ming to support my independence then no one declared war on me because they were afraid of the Ming army
I think sieges should be like in CK3 where there is a base set amount to take a fort and then with siege stages giving you a chance to reduce that time so you dont have to be sieging a fort for like 600 days even with cannons. This would basicly reduce the rng of sieges but not erradicate it
Siege strategy would be fantastic, in defence I would add a sortie option which means there should be a better mechanic that adds regiments to defences.
Laith, i admire how you keep up with things, also i really enjoy your content. so i hope that you can keep your studies and YT carreer up at the same time!
So im Bulgarian myself so let me tell you some bulgarian history - Bulgaria was on three 3 seas in 900 with tsar Simeon we got whole today Romania , macedonia and parts of Greece , also we have the first ever independent church in EU in middle 800. We were one of the most progressed country in EU before Ottoman conqueror us in 1396.
27:30 - I agree, there is a lot that could be done to make war more interesting in EU4. For example, you mentioned sacking cities -- perfect idea! In return for sacking a city you could get a lump sum of cash and maybe a small morale of armies increase; but it would be balanced by increasing devastation, decreasing prestige (if of the same religion as the sacked city/province), and perhaps an increase in the cost of mercenaries (who now think they can charge higher prices to a rich potential employer). So if you don't sack a city then you get: faster absorption (less admin point), quicker rate of recovery from devastation, and less chance of rebellion...or maybe an increase in splendor or prestige. Being able to set your armies to different types of stances: aggressive, defensive, concentrate on flanks, concentrate on center, etc. Each stance giving a small buff in a particular bit of battle. Aggressive: extra shock dmg; defensive: resistance to shock dmg; concentrate on flanks: additional engagement length and flanking bonuses; concentrate center: extra morale dmg and/or fire dmg.
my playthru as texas england beat france in the maine war... ive never seen that happen before.. its like 1570 or something and they still own their original possessions plus a few more provinces.. i dunno how rare that is but its never happened in my 3000 hours of playing, france has always taken back all of france
Amazing game!! Still wainting for your Genoa game. Maybe a sketch for a Western Roman Empire run? A super commercial empire? Or maybe the Netherland of the Mediterranean sea, stretching all the way to India.
I have an idea for a" challenge" try to play as a loyal subject and make your overlord the greatest power. For example play as a loyal Sweden or something like that.
I think Laith's thing could be "mil tech 4". I realized earlier today that, even when I play the game, I hear Laith saying "mil tech 4" in my head when I get it and push with it lol
As Byzantium I Aragon conquered Albania, and in a war against them to take Albania and free Naples they had the Iberian wedding trigger super early. It wasn’t fun.
Bit of a hungarian lesson here on how to pronounce "magyar." The gy is a compound letter, and its somewhere inbetween a y like in yellow and a j like in journey. If you pronounce it like a j that also sorta works, though a hungarian will be able to tell the difference. Better than saying mag-yars :P The plural version is "magyarok"
Sad that PDX baited us in the QnA before the Emperor DLC when we asked for Bulgaria content, and they released whatever this was - three missions for claims and that is it.
Candar starts with +10% Morale of navies and −20% Core-creation cost Oirat with +20% Cavalry combat ability and −20% Core-creation cost Karaman with +0.5 Yearly army tradition and −20% Core-creation cost
Can confirm that almost no one plays Bulgaria. The only reason I have played with it is because I am a Bulgarian so, obviously I will have tried to play with my country
Bulgaria is one of my favorite countries in europe ’n I have played as them a few times in eu4 ’n even more in hoi4. Neat fact: Bulgaria was the first ’n the last country with a Tsar with the last one also serving as the Prime Minister of the country
Can he actually form the Roman Empire if he unstates everything except Moldavia and Wallachia, culture shifts to Romanian, Form Romania and then go on a crazy conquest spree to form the Roman Empire?
As a Bulgarian I am happy we actually have something unique in our mission tree (no one cares about us usually especially in a period we were Turkish 🤮🤮🤮)
I would like cavalry to actually be good in EU4. I also would like more diversity of army comps. Pull in some of the unit design from CK3 man at arms or imperator units. Right now, armies generally feel the same unless you are playing as a horde nation/poland.
I still think we should be able to roll for an guaranteed stat general. maybe make it so that they have less stats than doing random but will always have atleast 1 pip in the stat you are after. (maybe how many pips is based on your mil tech so by mil tech 30 you are guaranteed 6 pips in one stat.
27:28 I think battles should be like the Total Wars game, or at least give the opportunity to go "in the field" and be yourself the general. You did a video with Vanice and I remember the editor pointing out that in real life battles would be about ambush and knowing when to flank, whilst in the game was just numbers going down.
There should be options to sack city, with the following modifier: Sack city: receive gold, temporarily discipline for duration of war and worsen relationship with every enemy in the war, but improve relations with enemies' enemy/rivals Not sack: loose morale for duration of war, increase professionalism , decrease relations with enemies' enemy/rivals
I mean you would be traumatized but probaly happy immedatly after that once the hero would come, unforgetable experience So yeah, probs still indeed Saving the day
I'd argue at its peaks Bulgaria wasn't overshadowed but it's simply ignored due to the more western point of view on the region, where Byzantium is kinda seen as always having been the most important. But infact the Bulgarians did take the Balkan Hegemony from the Byzantines for awhile and only thing stopping them was a navy, not overshadowed during that time period I'd say.
Hey, if any of Laith's lecturers are watching this video: Laith sets fire to bins and gets in fights.
And presses the “Scorch Earth” button whenever possible
And watches the world cup during work
Pretty Sure Tom was the one who burned the bins.
He's getting TWO masters, he's more educated than most of us here
the master fears the Ph.D chad
@@Podzhagitel the Ph.D chad cowers from the "has an actual job before 35" thad
This is getting out of hand, now there are two of them
@@duskpede5146 I have a PhD and found directly a job afterward, and I'm not even 30
@@68aurel68 PhDeez nuts
Just FYI, the mission said it will change your rank to "Dutchy" because that's the highest you can go as a subject. It's been an issue for a while now, and I really wish they would update the tooltip to tell you.
Also since Bulgaria is a formable nation, I think that mission is one of the easiest ways to get an early Empire Rank..
Doesn't it become a tsardom?
Glad this was her because I would've keyboard warriored it myself otherwise lol
@@sasi5841 tsardom is a government reserved only for east slavic tags vanilla eu4 doesn't really have any form of bulgarian tsardom
@@sasi5841 The word Tsardom is essentially the Slavic equivalent of Empire.
@@Bullshlaha I know, but in eu4 there's a special government reform called tsardom
Honestly, being genuine with your audience is a really great touch to your videos!
Viewers come for the content, but they stay for the person.
thats true, these wouldnt be half as good if laith was ludi lmao
as a bulgarian, i rate this video 11/10
I az
i az taka brat this is the best video ever lmao
I played as Bulgaria too a week ago. I couldn't become independent until 1460. After defeating the Ottomans they then got dogpiled by their smaller neighbors, Venice and eventually the Mameluks so I couldn't get my hands on a lot of territory after the 1st war. Eventually I became the no.1 Great power, completed all the missions and got bored in the late 1600s (normal difficulty). It was definitely fun and more rewarding than starting as a large independent nation.
Thanks for doing this video!
*silently sweating as I've played bulgaria 3 times total, once culture swapping to greek to become byzantium*
What is this cursed thing?!
@@todortodorov5299 me wanting to form byzantium as Bulgaria. Which 100 years after doing so my ruling dynasty suddenly became greek even tho my primary culture is bulgarian (swapped back after formimg byzantium)
It was curses. Greek was only left in athens due to its monument
@@Pykerivous that's fine. It's kinda accurate historically. Now I want to do it. Never considered that I can swap back after forming Byzantium. I've considered starting az Byzantium and changing primary culture to Bulgarian though.
I actually built the Suez canal as Bulgaria once
@@hotsteam5800 peak bulgaria
*Me, being tunisian/bulgarian, watching a tunisian play Bulgaria, all the meanwhile slapping around a muslim empire : 👁👄👁*
The mother of all coincidences
Left behind by Ottos?
☺
The first video about Bulgaria in EU4 and it's great, thank you! Check out Bulgaria in Ante bellum mode, you'll like it :D
For the "powerful starting ideas" thing I think you were thinking about generic anatolian ideas. Ramazan and Dulkadir both have them and start with 20% CCC and 5% discipline.
Anatolian probably has one of the best starting ideas in the game at 1444 with 20% CCR and 5% discipline.
Around 2am here in UK, been waiting for you to upload Laith. Was thinking how come a SocialStreamers video notification was not popping up.
27:20 Totally agree on your points about a siege rework. For one, i would like to see some interactions with supply like naval blockades and complete encirclements. Might be hard to implement but cities like constantinople should almost be impossible to conquer without a proper assualt (and it should house a sizable army) while forts like Kerak (out of the top of my head) should not be assualted but sieged down.
There could also be an option to destroy forts in peacedeals.
@@omayaki5264 how have i never come up with that thats such a good idea
@@omayaki5264 in the mod peace deal expanded there is exactly what you mentioned. It is sad that it is not iron man compatible.
@49:00 that's Albania saying "hey, this Bulgaria guy is getting a bit big and I am scared, better cozy up to someone equally big to keep them off of me" and France responding with "yeah I don't need another European superpower. Let's keep them in check by allying this nation to limit their options"
laith catchfrase is "im gonna delete those forts"
The one change to the warfare system I'd do is change manpower. It should be greatly expanded (atleast x2-x3) BUT the lower it is, the lower the quality of your troops, the more debuffs you should get (like more unrest, increased dev cost etc) and it should tick up much slower.
I'm with you, except for making it tick up slower. If you're playing a minor, you'll get one war per ruler because you never have troops. Plus that initial expansion of your army would ruin you and fighting the rebels because of it would then end you.
Hah! Bulgaria was the first (and so far only) country in EU4 with which I completed an entire campaign ^^ It's a lot of fun to play Bulgaria.
Try out ante bellum bulgaria
You should probably have kept the ottomans alive and used their perma claims from their mission tree to supplement your lack of tree. They would’ve taken their first mission when they took Byzantium so it should have been easy enough.
Didn't they Not Take the Mission because they didn't make constantinople their Capital? Maybe because they were instantly declared upon by the mamluks.
I wish Eu4 had a men-at-arms like CK3, customizing my army is very fun in that game. Plus many nations imply that multiple forms of infantry/Calvary were used simultaneously, it'd be fun to be able to use longbowmen and pikemen at once.
Not CK3, but I:R, they have an even better one
@@AHappyCub Silence! Do not utter the name of this failed project.
@@azarshadakumuktir4551 *gasp* How DARE you insult my boy Imperator: Rome like that
I've played Bulgaria a few times, but only with the Missions Expanded mod
It's nice to see laith come up with weird ideas and I'm willing to wait an extra 3 hours if this is what we get
I think there should be supply lines that go through occupied provinces and supply armies that are over the base province supply limit, armiess that are cut off will not get any supply limit from tech, forts block supply lines instead of movement. So you can run past forts, but you'll take a lot of attrition unless it's a small army (below the base supply limit)
I have played as bulgaria in every paradox game (i am bulgarian)
Finally, revenge for 1453!
I thought Bulgaria was Bulgarian ???
Wasn't byzantium greek
@@maddogbasil destroying the ottomans
Agree
I object! i have played Bulgaria!
Also, good luck with your masters!
@28:00 you should have the ability to choose to offer them terms of their surrender. Happened all the time, attacking armies would make certain promises should they turn over the fort without a battle, like promising to not plunder, murder, etc.
And I agree with the stance thing. Be able to pay like 1 military monarch point per month to add +1 to each siege roll for aggressive. Maybe some other modifiers that could change your armies moral, like promote raiding/plundering for +5% morale but will add to devastation and separatism/unrest afterwards. I think that would be neat.
I've released Bulgaria COUNTLESS times in 3k hours and NEVER have I thought to play as them tbh
Mad respect for being able to balance youtube content that takes this many hours on top of education.
4:15 that akward 30 second silent stare is absolutely terrifying
19:55 It's fun but it's not really needed to recreate the border like of an old empire. Ottoman, Russian and Holy Roman Empire claim themself to be succesor of Roman empire but only Ottoman that hold many of the ancient Roman borders + Iraq, Hungarian, Romanaian and Crimean.
The only thing important for Roman claimant is holding the city of Roma or Constantinople anyway
Imagine going for a second masters knowing you'll always be second to Redhawk?
Jokes aside, both of your performances as casters on speed 5 was wonderful. You have great chemistry and both roll with it very well.
I played a game as Hejaz (? I think, whichever one is a Mamluk vassal) and I got Ming to support my independence then no one declared war on me because they were afraid of the Ming army
I think sieges should be like in CK3 where there is a base set amount to take a fort and then with siege stages giving you a chance to reduce that time so you dont have to be sieging a fort for like 600 days even with cannons. This would basicly reduce the rng of sieges but not erradicate it
I waited so long for play with Bulgaria thanks to you the Empire of Bulgaria is here again and it's bigger and stronger.
Siege strategy would be fantastic, in defence I would add a sortie option which means there should be a better mechanic that adds regiments to defences.
Laith, i admire how you keep up with things, also i really enjoy your content. so i hope that you can keep your studies and YT carreer up at the same time!
Bulgaria is the only nation that I did a one faith run. Supper fun.
So im Bulgarian myself so let me tell you some bulgarian history - Bulgaria was on three 3 seas in 900 with tsar Simeon we got whole today Romania , macedonia and parts of Greece , also we have the first ever independent church in EU in middle 800. We were one of the most progressed country in EU before Ottoman conqueror us in 1396.
27:30 - I agree, there is a lot that could be done to make war more interesting in EU4. For example, you mentioned sacking cities -- perfect idea! In return for sacking a city you could get a lump sum of cash and maybe a small morale of armies increase; but it would be balanced by increasing devastation, decreasing prestige (if of the same religion as the sacked city/province), and perhaps an increase in the cost of mercenaries (who now think they can charge higher prices to a rich potential employer).
So if you don't sack a city then you get: faster absorption (less admin point), quicker rate of recovery from devastation, and less chance of rebellion...or maybe an increase in splendor or prestige.
Being able to set your armies to different types of stances: aggressive, defensive, concentrate on flanks, concentrate on center, etc. Each stance giving a small buff in a particular bit of battle. Aggressive: extra shock dmg; defensive: resistance to shock dmg; concentrate on flanks: additional engagement length and flanking bonuses; concentrate center: extra morale dmg and/or fire dmg.
I went to Durham a long while back - graduated in 2007 and moved to the US six days later
my playthru as texas england beat france in the maine war... ive never seen that happen before.. its like 1570 or something and they still own their original possessions plus a few more provinces.. i dunno how rare that is but its never happened in my 3000 hours of playing, france has always taken back all of france
Saruhan just existing at the end is a travesty
Amazing game!! Still wainting for your Genoa game. Maybe a sketch for a Western Roman Empire run? A super commercial empire? Or maybe the Netherland of the Mediterranean sea, stretching all the way to India.
That looks on his face when all of a sudden purple appeared on the map.
Glory to Bulgaria!
I have an idea for a" challenge" try to play as a loyal subject and make your overlord the greatest power. For example play as a loyal Sweden or something like that.
You will be surprised how many Bulgarians are playing 4x games religiously! Cheers, great video as usual!
Debt restructuring? Did you mean, Florrynomics?
i am from bulgaria and i wanted you to play it so much
day 7 of asking for eu4 no generals
thats just one of the enhanced interrogation techniques
I would love to see another part of that cursed game!
I wish Bulgaria gave you a more extensive mission tree for all the trouble of playing them. Maybe one that lets you become a Tsardom.
hi mr Laith - TheSocialStreamers, please play ainu with missions expanded its kinda cool
The video took a few seconds to load for me. Felt like laith was staring into my soul
Day one of asking for a colonial Novgorod game
Why? Are they good as that?
@@huginmunin8253 no
@@burgerking2783 then why?
@@huginmunin8253 im not sure
@@burgerking2783 ah ok. Thought i missed something with Novgorod.
Please more of this 🙏🙏🙏
I think Laith's thing could be "mil tech 4". I realized earlier today that, even when I play the game, I hear Laith saying "mil tech 4" in my head when I get it and push with it lol
Imagine going to university with laith socialstreamers
I think if they could add fleet training that be great
Nice gaming. Cursed timeline. We are waitin for part 2
Dang man, and here I wanted you to take over the world as Galicia Volhynia
As Byzantium I Aragon conquered Albania, and in a war against them to take Albania and free Naples they had the Iberian wedding trigger super early. It wasn’t fun.
Bit of a hungarian lesson here on how to pronounce "magyar."
The gy is a compound letter, and its somewhere inbetween a y like in yellow and a j like in journey. If you pronounce it like a j that also sorta works, though a hungarian will be able to tell the difference. Better than saying mag-yars :P The plural version is "magyarok"
Look how the turns tabled.
Stellaris has that bombardment doctrine thing, might be cool for EU4 aswell :)
It's kinda amusing that the only time laith doesn't delete forts is when he's got 4 in serbia for no particular reason
Good luck on your studies
Sad that PDX baited us in the QnA before the Emperor DLC when we asked for Bulgaria content, and they released whatever this was - three missions for claims and that is it.
Candar starts with +10% Morale of navies and
−20% Core-creation cost
Oirat with +20% Cavalry combat ability and
−20% Core-creation cost
Karaman with +0.5 Yearly army tradition and
−20% Core-creation cost
FINALLY
32:37 that is a satisfying Balkan borders
The khanate of Kazan is also Bulgarian which you probably didn't know
Can confirm that almost no one plays Bulgaria. The only reason I have played with it is because I am a Bulgarian so, obviously I will have tried to play with my country
dayum... last time i played bulgaria, i was going for the all greek to me achievement - release bulgaria, flip to greek, form greece, profit
Bulgaria is one of my favorite countries in europe ’n I have played as them a few times in eu4 ’n even more in hoi4. Neat fact: Bulgaria was the first ’n the last country with a Tsar with the last one also serving as the Prime Minister of the country
Can he actually form the Roman Empire if he unstates everything except Moldavia and Wallachia, culture shifts to Romanian, Form Romania and then go on a crazy conquest spree to form the Roman Empire?
As a Bulgarian I am happy we actually have something unique in our mission tree (no one cares about us usually especially in a period we were Turkish 🤮🤮🤮)
I would like cavalry to actually be good in EU4. I also would like more diversity of army comps. Pull in some of the unit design from CK3 man at arms or imperator units. Right now, armies generally feel the same unless you are playing as a horde nation/poland.
Hey! I'm half Bulgarian, I appreciate it man!
the devs aid the game does not focus the player but it totally does
day idk of asking for Ainu into Rome
First time Lathe not clickbating us
Since you're doing long campains, Great Horde into Mongol Empire?
I wanna see a very hard byzantium run for the pain
Hey man, honestly, if you ever find yourself down in Plymouth I’ll totally buy you a beer! You deserve it :)
"Had its moment in the sun, but it got overshadowed"
And to this day Bulgars will not shut about it.
Laith, your "catch phrase" is -> Lets just nip in...
Now you only need a Bulgarian Vic 3 campaign to achieve the balkan prussian status
I still think we should be able to roll for an guaranteed stat general. maybe make it so that they have less stats than doing random but will always have atleast 1 pip in the stat you are after. (maybe how many pips is based on your mil tech so by mil tech 30 you are guaranteed 6 pips in one stat.
27:28 I think battles should be like the Total Wars game, or at least give the opportunity to go "in the field" and be yourself the general.
You did a video with Vanice and I remember the editor pointing out that in real life battles would be about ambush and knowing when to flank, whilst in the game was just numbers going down.
There should be options to sack city, with the following modifier:
Sack city: receive gold, temporarily discipline for duration of war and worsen relationship with every enemy in the war, but improve relations with enemies' enemy/rivals
Not sack: loose morale for duration of war, increase professionalism , decrease relations with enemies' enemy/rivals
well when you just stand on a province you can loot it monthly (5 ducats per month max)
I did i didnt knew why
I mean you would be traumatized but probaly happy immedatly after that once the hero would come, unforgetable experience
So yeah, probs still indeed Saving the day
I played as Bulgaria. Back in the 1.23 third rome dlc
I'd argue at its peaks Bulgaria wasn't overshadowed but it's simply ignored due to the more western point of view on the region, where Byzantium is kinda seen as always having been the most important.
But infact the Bulgarians did take the Balkan Hegemony from the Byzantines for awhile and only thing stopping them was a navy, not overshadowed during that time period I'd say.
classic bulgar moment
You just ended the video with the same amount of territory as if you started as the ottomans and played for 20 years, crazy ride
"Idk why there are kids watching"
me with 1700 hours at age 15
...
ye
Please clip his rant on heroes.
Lore of Eu4 Bulgaria momentum 100