Garmin Echomap Showdown!!! UHD series vs Ultra series!! What's the big black Friday deal?!?
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- 93 uhd vs 106 ultra?!?
There has been alot of buzz as of late about the difference between garmins UHD series and the Ultra series unit and its being driven by a black friday deal! Alot of people are curious if the x amount of dollars is worth it to jump to just a "Bigger screen" well im here to tell you its not just a bigger screen!
So today we are going to go over some of the main differences between a UHD unit and a Ultra unit and show you that its not just a larger screen you are paying for, but so so so much more!
Side imaging guys take note! if you are looking for the best side imaging in the echomap unit family look no further, the Echomap Ultras are the top of the line for imagine and my video will explain it all! - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
Excellent video! Love the technical detail on the different graphs!
Great video brother !!! I took advantage of the Ultra's sale at bass pro shop. I'm going to look at your setup video, to dial it in, once it's installed on my boat. Keep up the awesome job !!! We fishermen, whether novice to being a pro, all can learn from this type of content.
Thanks Tim!
Let me know if you have any questions or would like something covered!
That was some great information and clear and decisive information. This helps clear up a lot of questions I had when looking at other videos. Won a new subscriber. Thank you for stating the facts and honest side by side comparison
Thanks, so much I didn’t know. Just upgraded to the Ultra yesterday
What a great video!!! Thank you this answered my question about the ultra networking, I was definitely curious about the processor!!! Not long winded at all!!!
Between MG Marine Tech and Double T Fishing Texas TH-cam videos I think I know everything I need to master my UHD 93sv. Thanks guys!
I just bought the 93 uhd gt54 on sale at bass pro I'm happy with it .. moved up from striker 7sv which got me by for 3 years ..
Thank you for ALL your informative and educational videos!
Great information. I'm learning a lot more about my Garmin's.
Great job.just upgraded my 93s to 106s
Dam man, thanks for the technical breakdown 🤘🏼
Great stuff. The UHDs are great units, but getting the Ultra 106 for basically the same price as a regularly priced 93SV, and it's a complete no brainer. The Ultra 106 is a MUCH better unit. Taking nothing away from the 93sv, as it's a great unit too. But the sale price makes it an EASY decision. If someone still isn't convinced, just go to a Basspro and hit the map button at the same time on both units. There is a significant difference in load time.
Exactly
Thanks once again for the great information
I've got both the UHD and Ultra. The UHD processor is a little too slow in loading maps and resolution is fine but inferior to the Ultra. It is aggravating when i switch navigation zoom on the 93 UHD, big lag. I just picked up another 102SV Ultra on sale to replace one of my 93SV's UHD's and am very pleased with the Ultra's performance. Just one 93 UHD left to upgrade now and all three will be Ultra's. Well worth the wait to pick up an Ultra on sale rather than do it like I did and buy a UHD and then later upgrade to the Ultra, which is what I ended up doing.
Awesome man answered my questions
Great video! Now I know I made the right decision! Thanks
Probably the best explained video I have seen regarding these units! Thank you? What is your opinion on the Garmin ultra 126sv vs Lowrance HDS live? I haven’t found and videos
Comparing those two units
Thanks Gerry!
I don’t have any first hand experience with the 12” lowrance HDS lives I have used the 9” units and the side imaging was lack luster at best. Full disclosure I’m not well versed in them and I’m sure they could have possible been dialed in a little better with more time. But they did the job and put us on fish.
I found them harder to use and dial in, but I’m sure that just takes some time to learn like anything else.
If I had to pick I’d pick the garmin unit every time.
Great video bro !
Loved this information - watched it twice! I have a question though - if I have a 106sv w a gt54 and I buy Panoptix Livescope ice fishing kit will I be able to take the 106sv and just plug it into the kit or will I still need a cradle and/or a black box?
Hey mat,
So for the lvs32 livescope or the livescope everyone talks about you will still need the blackbox.
As far as the cradle, yes that is always needed to operate the unit.
thank you for this info's
Great video! Question: I'm interested in the 12 inch screen Ultra. After watching other live scope videos though, most say they LVS32 transducer is better than the 12. I understood you to say the 12 inch ultra screen could only support the LVS12 transducer not needing the black box? Is there a work around to use the 12 inch ultra, and the LVS32 live scope transducer? Thanks
Hey Randal, sorry I must have confused you.
All the units in this video as well as many other garmin units will support the lvs32 livescope that requires the black box and hooks up via the network ports.
There are only a couple of units that can use the lvs12 livescope. It requires NO black box and has a dedicated lvs12 port on the back of the units cradle.
I hope that clears things up for you.
Hey bud,great video as I'm in the process now of replacing my sounder and you answered the question in my mind.
One other question was is the mapping on the ultra good as in detail and tight contour line or do you need to purchase extra.
Eg.silver,platinum and gold.
Cheers 🍻
The map cards definitely help with more detail. Check out the new vision+ cards
Thank you so much...This is tremendously helpful. Have you ever compared the ECHOMAP Ultra to the GPSMap 943?
You are welcome!
I have not yet. Hoping to get my hands on some gpsmap units ASAP!
Wow, huge difference between the two. I've struggled finding side imaging fish with my 93sv/GT56, I'd love to try an Ultra now.
If you haven’t already, give my settings video a watch. That might help you clear up your image.
I am struggling too with my 93sv and GT56 for side imaging. What is your setting video called MG?
@@ronnilsen4079 go to my page and go to my videos, it will be called “best gt56 settings for side view… “
You can also go into your menu and select only the bank or dock side you want to scan giving you more pixels and screen size . You can select right side, left side or both.
Great video
Great video and explanation. The ultra is the way to go.
One thing I struggle with, regardless of the brand, is the amperage draw especially when talking about the RMS wattage of the transducer. In this video you mentioned 350 watt rms for the transducer. For a 12 volt source this would equate out to 29 amperage draw- which it can’t be.
So this would mean internally they are taking 12 volts and stepping that voltage up to let’s say 350 volts and sending that to the transducer which would mean the amperage draw for the transducer portion is really 1 amp. Are we really seeing at least 350 volts sent out the transducer cable to the transducer? This seems incredible to me.
I wish I knew more on that exact subject because I have the same question.
I would think it would be very similar to stereo RMS ratings and sub woofers and speakers/amps etc??
@@MGMarineTech
Actually it is the same for power amplifiers and speakers and it’s not uncommon to have higher voltages hit your speakers. Just think the voltage from your wall outlet is 120 volts RMS at whatever amps your circuit breaker is rated for. This is why many home cooking devices are rated for 1,500 watts (12.5 amps) or less -to keep from tripping a typical 15 amp circuit.
I’m glad to see your just as inquisitive as I am. I’m surprised there isn’t more videos where people are taking a molded transducer apart -if it’s even possible -or at a minimum winding and making their own and doing tests. I have an electronic background myself, but I find these discussions among fishermen are "too much in the weeds" for them.
@@jimcrowley1709 yeah I would think there’s no taking them apart. They look to be potted. So your only option would be to cut it in half
Did you have a chance to test the power consumption of 2d and side/down imaging engaged both at the same time from an ultra unit?
Wild make sense to have two distinct transducers linked to two distinct ultra units to maximize results?
I did get a answer from a garmin engineer on this.
He stated the the power rating of the the unit say 600watts for a ultra is per channel so 600w for side 600 for down 600 for 2d so the unit can drive a transducer fully.
Power output is also dictated by depth/range and not gain.
Great comparison unfortunately not either one is available unless you pay full pop
I'm gonna go with the the 106sv for my kayak with the gt56 transducer and the new livescope, how big of battery do you think i need. Currently i have a helix 7 mega gn3 will the garmin be un upgrade in clarity fir side imaging and down imaging.?
I would recommend a 30ish amp hour miller tech.
And yes it should be a decent upgrade!
I'm a kayak angler & I am yet to add a fish finder to my rig. I'm currently saving & try to decide between 2 unit's. Looking at echomap ultra 10" with gt56 & LVS34 or the Solix 10GN3 with mega 360. What size battery would u recommend for ultra 106 with LVS34? I could use 1 larger or 2 separate smaller batteries. Idk what ice fishy guys do but I would basically do the same thing.
You’d be good with a 30-45 ah battery.
Take a look at my other videos on batteries, and check out Miller tech lithium
For your side imaging, are you using GT54 or GT56? Thanks. I wonder if the GT54 will clearly show the higher resolution of the Ultra. I know that the GT56 is more detailed and also extends further to the side - 100 ft vs 60 ft.
I use the gt56.
The 56 really isn’t “more detailed” maybe slightly, but the biggest advantage is the range.
But the gt54 can take advantage of the higher resolution as well. Just won’t be able to see as far
@@MGMarineTech thanks!
Wondering if you could do a video on setting up the directional distance tool off the bow of the boat for lining up on way points. TIA
I sure can! That’s on the list to do
@@MGMarineTech awesome. I recently made the switch from Humminbird and I’m slowly learning my way around. I went from Solix to Echomaps primarily for Livescope. I missed Mega 360 and the quality of the side imagining at first but upgrading to the GT56, not having to unscrew and carry 10lbs units and being able to network 4 graphs without having to buy an additional component made the switch totally worth it! Super happy with my Garmins now. It was your GT54/56 comparisons that led me to your vids. Subscribed and always have an eye out for whatever I can learn from you. Keep up the great work!
@@cgraz3383 awesome thank you for the great comment!
I will work on that video ASAP!
So now that the 93sv uhd2 models are now out how does it compare to the ultra 106 units. I was pretty committed to a lvs34 with the 93sv uhd2 with the gt56 transducer. Then cabelas told me that come black friday the ultra unit should be about 1k but he didn't know much about the uhd2 to compare. Thanks in advanced
Check out my latest video, I go over all that.
I’m also a garmin authorized dealer I’d be happy to help you out, and it’s a great way to support my channel.
Thanks
When placing 126sv on Boww/ GT54 and Console w/ GT56 will I need a network cable or can they communicate and share transducer and data, andwirelessly?
You will need a network cable
Went to the store at 430am Friday and they only had 6 106sv.. didn't get one so ordered online at 515am and they cancelled the order on Saturday at 6 pm...."out of stock". Sick of Cabela's limited inventory.
Mine had 28 in stock when they opened, and 2 at 8pm
I have trouble with my 93 going on when I put the cover on have any idea what's causing that good video thanks
I know there is a auto on setting that turns them on when you put them in the cradle
I would assume that the same principles of clarity in SI applies when looking at a 93SV UHD vs 106 Ultra for a standalone LVS32/black bow livescope setup?
That is a good question! And one I plan to show in action here soon.
For some reason the clarity doesn’t seem to translate as well to livescope
@@MGMarineTech thanks. I am looking at a 93sv and 106sv but may plan to run all garmins and network them in the future so I am thinking the 106sv will be well worth the extra $450 in the long run
@@Basshole51 yes the 106 is a awesome unit, and some say it’s better for livescope than the 93 some say the opposite
Great info. I guess this may be a stupid question but is the 126 much better than 93 uhd for livescope? Looking to upgrade from 93uhd and would the 126sv be my best choice for livescope?
That is a hot topic. Some say the 93 is more clear with livescope only and some prefer the bigger screen of the 126 even if it’s not as crisp for livescope.
Now with imaging the 126 wins every time.
@@MGMarineTech thank you. Is the 1243xsv a good choice for livescope as far as clarity and processing speed?
@@kenthayer6255 if you are looking for a livescope only unit and aren’t worried about it being networked to your existing 93, then I would highly look into a 1222 gps map. They are budget friendly but are very popular for livescope only units!
Hit my friends at hoemarine.com up and tell them I sent you they can get you all setup!
Would it be worth having a 93 up front with the livescope and the 106 at the helm or should I just save up more to have 2 106 units?
I run my best screens for side and down imaging
Just came across your video and tutorial torial on the benefits of owning an ultra. If you were me and just starting with wanting live scope 34 and GT56 would you even touch A93SV UHD for either purpose or would you upgrade to run things properly (power to transducer)and have better resolution (optimize the livescope 34)?
To optimize those things, I would go with the 106
Thank you for your response and time. How disappointing to figure out/confirm this after purchase. I have to begin with the 93sv uhd for now and look to upgrade/add/swap the 106 ultra in the future. Any suggestions or thoughts?
@@thomassimonson2847 if it’s your first unit just learn on it and then upgrade once there is a sale on the 106’s
Are you going to put the 93 at the bow or console or??
@@MGMarineTech
93sv bow/ulterra 2d connected and livesscope
A93SV at the console GT56 transom.
Looking at bree z box to network with potential of adding 106s or whatever at both later on my lowe fm 18. I do have a "spare" gt54...sell or use in an ice sHuttle ?? Just got 2 -23 ah Dakota lithiums to run boat electronics and the for 2 ice set ups.
@@thomassimonson2847 id get a dedicated ice transducer. You will be much happier.
Got 93SV with a GT 56 brand new and on the way is coming a Ultra 106 from the sale, which one would show better side view ? Trying to decide which one to keep. Thanks for informative video.
The best combination of all those components would be the 106 and the gt56.
But if I had to choose between the 93 and 56 and the 106 and 54,
I would pick the 106/54.
With the 106/54 you will loose some range but you will have a much more crisp picture.
You can always add the 56 down the road to increase your range.
Where'd you get the 93sv w/ GT56? I got the bundle from BPS and it came w/ the GT54...
@@lmychajluk Just bought it from Tackle Warehouse, 20 percent off. sale is over.
@@MGMarineTech Thanks will keep 106, appreciate reply and honesty,
@@lmychajluk But will be sending it back as I got killer deal on 106 with gt54, and thats what I decided to keep.
What did use to mount your uhd system too. The scren and black box
What mounts are you referring to?
Are there any changes to the 106sv this year? They seem to be about $600 more this year.
The ones that were on sale came with the older gt54 transducer. The new models come with the gt56 transducer. Other than that, there’s no changes that I’m aware of.
Where are we getting the 106sv w/ transducer for 1k? the deal on 93sv's with the GT54 are all over the place, are the 106's gone?
The 106 deals are drying up and a lot harder to find. I think there are a few more floating around if you look but I’m not sure as to where
But what about Livescope? Can you see your shad/jig on both easily?
That brings up a very good question that I can not answer without having the 106 to test.
In my experience as well as others, the 93 seems to have a much more crisp and vibrant picture over the 126
Now I can’t say if that’s true with the 106 V’s the 93.
if i get the 93sv uhd can i data share with my 93sv plus though the blue and brown wires?
No, that is NMEA 0183 and doesn’t share the data there.
You can however network them together with e garmin network cable. Aka Ethernet cable.
I have a networking video that walks you through all of that.
Can you apply these display settings for Livescope only display and break down the numbers? Do the Ultras display Livescope better than the EchoMap series? Is the Livescope display resolution preset by the GLS10 and therefor the same display no matter what head unit display you are using?
Yes this is something that I would like to do and answer these questions!
@@MGMarineTech Thanks, I know alot of Livescope users are looking for an answer to the question if the Livescope display (sharpenss/resolution) improves with the better screens?
@@joef2504 yeah it’s something I’ll dig into! Maybe I can arrange a side by side comparison
@@joef2504 I know the quick and dirty answer is yes. (According to sources that have used both) but I have yet to see it personally.
I’ve also seen (personally and from others) that livescope is better on my 93 plus than it is on my 126 ultra. My theory is just what you said and I’m curious if the black box has a set output resolution
What’s your opinion on 106 vs 1022? For mainly livescope use.
Well if you want to use it for anything other than livescope you will have to go with the ultra. The 1022 is a screen only and you can’t hook a transducer directly to it.
Many guys use them as dedicated livescope screens and love them. Especially for ice fishing as they are button operated and you don’t have to take gloves off.
If it’s livescope only I’d choose the 1022 all day
Would the image quality be any better on a Echomap Ultra 10” than a 12” since it’s the same pixel count but on a smaller display?
In theory yes. The 10 has a higher pixel per inch than the 12.
To the eye it might be extremely hard to tell? I’ve not had one side by side to see.
I think the added benefit of the larger screen outweighs the pixel density in the 10 vs 12 debate.
I’d pick the 12 over the 10 every day. UNLESS you could put 2 10’s side by side. :)
@@MGMarineTech I wasn’t sure if the pixel count was in total screen resolution or ppi.
Thank you
@@tobytester2674 in the video I break it down all the way to PPi
Being the 10/12 have the same overall resolution and the same over all pixel count,
The 10” has a higher PPI
@@MGMarineTech makes perfect sense. I apologize. I should've finished watching the video before I asked my question. Thank you for making these very informative videos. I feel sure that they have helped a whole lot of people. I know they have certainly helped me.
Hey Mate, a little bit off subject, Ive got a 105 with a gt56 transducer, Just wondering what KHZ would be best set for my transducer to fish in 50 metres of water? Thanks in advance
Hi Michael, what type of sonar are you wanting to use.
@@MGMarineTech unsure, 2d or clear view
@@smhenare in clear view you could probably get away with 800. If it gets too dark, switch over to 455
@@MGMarineTech ok thanks
Can I run the 106sv ultra on the same power wire and fuse as the 93sv uhd?
You can run it on the same power wire. The fuses are different though. I would suggest wrapping the fuses.
Getting ready to buy a garmin which one should I buy I'm looking at the Echo maps Ultra 126 I'd like to have some feedback I know this video is a year old but I'm just getting ready to buy one help help please
Which models are you between
I’m a authorized garmin dealer too by the way. MGMARINETECH.Com
I am looking at Echo Maps Ultra 126..is that a good choice? Will Live Scope LVS34 work with the EchoMaps Ultra 126.
Great. How does the picture compare to mega?
That’s a hot topic and Bird guys say theirs is better and garmin guys say theirs is just a good a birds.
From what I have seen, a ultra or higher garmin with a gt56 are now very comparable to the birds mega.
The mega may have the leading edge in some scenarios, but I’ve found the birds clunky and cumbersome to use (I’m sure that’s not the case if you use them day in and day out.)
All in all they are both have very good side imaging.
Can I run gt54 transducer & livescope lvs32 on my single 106 ultra?
You sure can, and at the same time!
Even a 93 uhd will do that
I have seen numerous comparisons of the 93sv uhd and ultra units. As I understand, the ultra uses a GT54 transducer and the plus uses a gt52. Will the Plus unit work ok with a GT54 transducer? Or, is the processor in the plus not up to the task? Would the plus gain any advantage using a GT54?
So the plus is a older unit that’s no longer produced or supported with updates. It will still network with a uhd or ultra.
But to answer your question,
The uhd and ultra units are both “uhd” units and can use any of the “uhd” ( ultra high definition) transducers such as the gt54 or gt56. The ultras are basically a bigger and better uhd unit.
The plus units used the gt52 typically, and can’t take advantage of the gt54 or any Uhd transducers. Unless a gvc20 box is used with a gt34 or gt36
@@MGMarineTech thank you for the information. I have seen several new GT54 transducers for sale on FB marketplace at around $125-$150 so I was hoping to purchase one as a possible upgrade. But, I hadn't been able to verify their compatibility. Merry Christmas
@@ronniewetherington509 yes with a plus unit they would basically be the same as the gt52.
There won’t be any benefits to them over the 52
@@MGMarineTech thank you very much for saving me the expenses of trying to find out!
With GT54, you’ll get the same 2D, BETTER DV and SV (455kHz) due to thinner beams. You can’t use UHD SV, but you get UHD DV.
Wonder how the 106SV compares to the new UHD-2 9 inch ?
Funny you should ask because that’s a topic of a upcoming video!
@@MGMarineTech can’t wait to see it ! 👍
I'm tempted, but I dont really need it. If I could get the unit without a transducer I'd do it.
It’s cheaper with the transducer. And then you can sell it and make it even cheaper
@@MGMarineTech I missed out. Had one in my cart, thought for a moment, & they were sold out when I decided to do it. That's okay.
😅 👍🏻👍🏻
Where is the best place and price to buy the 126 Ultra? HOE doesn’t appear to have in stock. I am seeing $2549.00 everywhere I look w/o transducer (I have a GT56 already on my boat). Thanks for any insight you can provide!
Talk to brig Hennessy at Hennessy outdoor electronics, and tell him I sent you. I would think they would be able to order you one in very quickly but I can’t say that for sure.
As far pricing, garmin has a MAP Pricing meaning no one can advertise a lower price than what garmin states.
Doesn't the U in UHD stand for Ultra? I'm confused. So this is more like UHD vs UHD Max? lol
Yes the u stands for ultra high definition.
BUT there is a “echomap uhd” unit and a “ultra” both are “echomap”
They run on the same software but are vastly different units inside and out.
@@MGMarineTech I’m trying to sell mine and get a humming bird lol.
@@LetsCrappieFish why is that?
Podrían hacer un video en español
Which ice shuttle is that?
It’s my design. I plan to get a batch of them made to be sold soon.
@@MGMarineTech I'm interested. I've run a summit shuttle for 3 years but I recently went to a 106sv and I'd like a shuttle that is slightly shorter. My 20ah battery would fit underneath in a shorter space which may accommodate the 10" unit in the clam bag while allowing it to zip shut. I may end up modifying or designing my own also
@@matthewhansen1427 as it is currently it doesn’t fit in a clam bag. I just carry it as is.
BUT
I am in the process of designing another shuttle that will fit a clam
@@MGMarineTech right on. Keep me posted. I probably won't start messing with it all until about November. Thanks for the videos good luck fishing!
Already sold out 😢
sold out in 30 min
Call around to local stores. My store had 2 remaining at 7 pm. And I’ve heard word of some stores selling rain checks
You didn't compare uhd to ultra you compared plus to ultra so that's not much help
Uhd and plus are the same exact units both physically and spec wise OTHER than the ability to run a Uhd transducers. All of which I cover in the video…
For purposes of this video it makes 0 difference.