I visited and worshipped with the Shakers of the Sabbath Day Lake community a few years ago. I'm guessing it was around the time this video was made. I met and spoke in-person with Sister Frances. I was even able to sing one of their songs word for word during worship, as I had previously acquired a CD recording of some of their songs, and I had memorized one of their songs from the CD because I liked that particular song. Well, it just so happened that they sang that very song on the day that I joined them for worship, and I was able to stand with them and sing right along, word for word, note for note. Last but not least, prior to my visit I had heard or read about a prophecy -- a prophecy uttered by their spiritual mother many decades ago -- that when the number of Shakers remaining could be counted on one hand by a child, there would at that time be a spiritual revival of Shakerism in the world -- not just in their style of furniture and in their goods, nor just in their music, but a revival of their whole philosophy, beliefs, community, and way of life. It seems entirely possible to me that such a prophecy could, in fact, come true, and I hope it does, because the Shakers are a people of God. But I also hope that whatever revival in Shakerism that may some day come to pass would include the belief in the need for both marriage and reproduction in such Shaker-based communities of faith.
I had the great privilege of making a video documentary about the Shakers in the early 1970's. I knew Sister Mildred Barker and the other Shakers who have since passed on. I am very happy to see Sister Frances Carr speaking so well on this video, and singing. How I wish I could see her again! Among the comments to this video comes one from someone (Jim T by name) who questioned Shaker celibacy. As the Shakers explained to me those many years ago, celibacy was deemed necessary in order to build a community of brothers and sisters. Without it, people would naturally be more bonded to their own families. But the vision was of a larger family, working in community and serving each other and serving the world with a belief, put into daily practice, of equality and peace.
Not sure if you will read this (I am purely speaking from curiosity here, plus I'm six years after your comment), but I wonder... celibacy can mean two different things I would guess, namely on side no procreation, and on the other side no intimacy. And with intimacy, there seems to be this gradual progression from friendly intimacy, to something people would call 'more than friendly', i.e. sexual. Often, the aim of intimacy is not procreation but some form of bonding... I would be curious about understanding how the Shakers look at these matters.
As the REAL Adam Sandman, i would appreciate if you kept your ratchety ass off my lawn , mommy. GoShakers! And Goo see call me by your name, in selective (nond-iverse) theaters now
Umm... They made themselves disappear with their stupid celibacy rules. They weren't even as smart of the Catholics who have celibate clergy but preached reproduction to the laity.
Hate to fact check, but Old Salem in NC was founded in 1753 as a Moravian community. Otherwise I'm here because of my love for the simplicity of Shaker furniture.
YOU CAN'T HELP BUT LOVE THESE GUYS!!! TOO BAD THERE ON THE VERGE OF EXTINCTION, BECAUSE THEY Forgot One Other Thing God Said,......... Namely....... BE FRUITFUL AND MULTIPLY....... HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!
Probably “A Spiritual View” which is the first of the songs listed in the credits at the end of the video, along with more information about each song.
You can perhaps draw inspiration from them rather than just try to 'live with them'? I think they have some very valuable insights, but they are insights that anyone anywhere in the world can imitate and include in their life; that to me it seems doesn't require moving to the existing Shaker community. Not sure either if they are actually soliciting for new members... anyway, I hope you will, at least, find the right inspiration!
All these small groups who have to re-invent the wheel all the time. Ora et labora, pray and work, can at least be traced back to St Benedict of Ursia (480-550 AD). A little a head of the Mother of the shakers.
I think that the equality part has escaped your attention. Also, the shaker's credo is more like, "labora et ora" which makes for quite an important nuance.
Listen to that beautiful plainsong. Look at the quality of the things that they had made. The Utopian communities failed because they left out faith in God.
I visited and worshipped with the Shakers of the Sabbath Day Lake community a few years ago. I'm guessing it was around the time this video was made. I met and spoke in-person with Sister Frances. I was even able to sing one of their songs word for word during worship, as I had previously acquired a CD recording of some of their songs, and I had memorized one of their songs from the CD because I liked that particular song. Well, it just so happened that they sang that very song on the day that I joined them for worship, and I was able to stand with them and sing right along, word for word, note for note. Last but not least, prior to my visit I had heard or read about a prophecy -- a prophecy uttered by their spiritual mother many decades ago -- that when the number of Shakers remaining could be counted on one hand by a child, there would at that time be a spiritual revival of Shakerism in the world -- not just in their style of furniture and in their goods, nor just in their music, but a revival of their whole philosophy, beliefs, community, and way of life. It seems entirely possible to me that such a prophecy could, in fact, come true, and I hope it does, because the Shakers are a people of God. But I also hope that whatever revival in Shakerism that may some day come to pass would include the belief in the need for both marriage and reproduction in such Shaker-based communities of faith.
People stay healthier longer I think when they’re involved and working. I really like the Shakers, I find them inspiring. Thank you.
I had the great privilege of making a video documentary about the Shakers in the early 1970's. I knew Sister Mildred Barker and the other Shakers who have since passed on. I am very happy to see Sister Frances Carr speaking so well on this video, and singing. How I wish I could see her again! Among the comments to this video comes one from someone (Jim T by name) who questioned Shaker celibacy. As the Shakers explained to me those many years ago, celibacy was deemed necessary in order to build a community of brothers and sisters. Without it, people would naturally be more bonded to their own families. But the vision was of a larger family, working in community and serving each other and serving the world with a belief, put into daily practice, of equality and peace.
would you be able to post this video online?
Not sure if you will read this (I am purely speaking from curiosity here, plus I'm six years after your comment), but I wonder... celibacy can mean two different things I would guess, namely on side no procreation, and on the other side no intimacy. And with intimacy, there seems to be this gradual progression from friendly intimacy, to something people would call 'more than friendly', i.e. sexual. Often, the aim of intimacy is not procreation but some form of bonding...
I would be curious about understanding how the Shakers look at these matters.
@@bhilbert11 Not sure it's the one this poster was a part of, but they were interviewed for a PBS Ken Burns documentary on the Shakers.
Fascinating. I love the ambience of that religious community.
I love the Shakers - beautiful music!
i think the person reading this is beautiful :) - adam sandler yes is me :)
As the REAL Adam Sandman, i would appreciate if you kept your ratchety ass off my lawn , mommy. GoShakers! And Goo see call me by your name, in selective (nond-iverse) theaters now
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This is a great spirituality-
Marvelous... thank you for sharing this ......
Thank you
Please don't let shakers disappear.
Umm... They made themselves disappear with their stupid celibacy rules. They weren't even as smart of the Catholics who have celibate clergy but preached reproduction to the laity.
They have literally done it to themselves by being against marriage because “Christ never got married.”
They're against marriage and they're also against procreation so they're naturally dying off themselves unfortunately
Become one yourself then.
In an age where we buy for cheapness from China, paint is still on the wall after 200 years and looks as fresh as it was painted.
There has always been a market for cheap things. The only difference is, we used to make them ourselves here in our own factories.
Hate to fact check, but Old Salem in NC was founded in 1753 as a Moravian community.
Otherwise I'm here because of my love for the simplicity of Shaker furniture.
They mean the oldest religious community that is still an active religious community. Old Salem ceased being a religious community in the mid 1800s.
I believe that there a few Quaker Meeting Houses in the USA, built in the late 1600's, still standing and still in use for Meetings for Worship.
YOU CAN'T HELP BUT LOVE THESE GUYS!!! TOO BAD THERE ON THE VERGE OF EXTINCTION, BECAUSE THEY Forgot One Other Thing God Said,......... Namely....... BE FRUITFUL AND MULTIPLY....... HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!
@Ellie5621 EXACTLY !!!....
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Interesting
" the shakers are very practical people"
anyone know the name of/ have the link to the tune being played in the background at the beginning?
Probably “A Spiritual View” which is the first of the songs listed in the credits at the end of the video, along with more information about each song.
@@kathleenpang7138 thanks, I had had that same question.
Does anyone have info on Medad Curtis? He was suppose to have saved Mother Lee. I think he was originally from Connecticut
I would go to live with the shakers, could be that posssible?
I would write to the Sabbath day lake community if you are interested.
@@bhilbert11 Their website has guidelines on how to join.
Their website has guidelines on how to join.
You know, there are a lot of Catholic monasteries that are like this. There's a couple of them all over America. I'm pretty sure they allow visitors.
You can perhaps draw inspiration from them rather than just try to 'live with them'? I think they have some very valuable insights, but they are insights that anyone anywhere in the world can imitate and include in their life; that to me it seems doesn't require moving to the existing Shaker community. Not sure either if they are actually soliciting for new members... anyway, I hope you will, at least, find the right inspiration!
What religion is this?
Shakers are Christians, in that they believe in Lord Jesus the Christ
Apart from the actual subject-the Sabath day is specific to Lutheran church and protestants.
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It’s sad to think that we have not gained an inch spiritually from this good people. They are a sort of point of contact with Buddhism.
Thank you for your insightful comment! :)
Monasticism!=Buddhism. There's almost nothing in common between this denomination and Buddhism.
How are they a point of contact with Buddhism? I'm not clear on what you mean to say.
@@anahata2009 very ascetic.
What the fuck does any of that mean?
All these small groups who have to re-invent the wheel all the time. Ora et labora, pray and work, can at least be traced back to St Benedict of Ursia (480-550 AD). A little a head of the Mother of the shakers.
I think that the equality part has escaped your attention. Also, the shaker's credo is more like, "labora et ora" which makes for quite an important nuance.
I thought they got called shakers due to their crazy leader that shook out evil spirits
I think you may be referring to the indian shakers of Washington State?
How can they claim older then the Amish Community in Lancaster PA? 1720s????
Listen to that beautiful plainsong. Look at the quality of the things that they had made. The Utopian communities failed because they left out faith in God.
It failed because they refused to reproduce. All long lasting religions depend on the children of members to sustain.
how come you dont have childern
Shakers practice celibacy
With artificial insemination, it wouldn’t be hard to be celibate and increase the numbers
who else thought sister Frances was a man, no offense!