The economic case for open borders
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ย. 2024
- Around the world, politicians are clamoring to shut down their borders and tighten control in a wave immigration reform. But the tiny island of Singapore-a rich, thriving, financial hub-has opened its doors to migrants.
Quartz reporter Preeti Varathan traveled to Singapore to try to understand why more countries aren’t following Singapore’s lead when it comes to immigration policy. Turns out, there’s a catch.
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#openborders #immigration
I’m a Singaporean and we have the strictest immigration plc around the world. We do not discriminate where you come from but you better have good qualification and job experiences and guaranty to not burden our tiny country.
Anirudh Gopinath It’s funny because it’s much easier to immigrate to the US than to Singapore, there is no such thing as naturalisation here, whether you’re born in Singapore or whether we find out someone immigrated illegally, it shows bad credibility on that person who tried to exploit rules and systems, and he will be blacklisted forever. In the west that person gets a citizenship lmao
A G wrong, Singapore requires the highest amount for investment immigration and require high skill set for professional migration. The rest are only given temporary contract visa and forced to leave after their contract ends
A G false , Singapore rejects even greater numbers per capita.
@A G AG the difference is that the USA has family reunification-based immigration, which consist of like 90% of immigrants to the USA. This means the majority of immigrants entering the USA are based on family ties, not based on merit. Canada and Singapore use merit-based immigration, usually the requirement is English language fluency, post-secondary education attainment (university and/or college), and high wealth (in Canada, requires at least $15,000 in your bank account).
France has the hardest immigration laws in The World
"Singapore has open borde--JUST KIDDING."
immigrant:
yay! i'm the richest in my village
6 months later... oh, i'm poor again, i just bought a new hut which i can no longer maintain
Singapore would benefit from a borderless world. Real estate isn't cheap and folks might live in Malaysia and commute to Singapore for work.
Using Singapore as an example of an "open border" is questionable. I think "The economic case of importing low-skilled foreign workers and assigning them a legal lower-class in the society and not letting them stay" would make a more appropriate title for this video.
Yeah, right...no doubt a millennial.
Edit: I stand corrected...Singapore doesn't have "open" border.
Fudge, Lucky Plaza still standing?
That is not true dude, 30% of sing pop are foreign born, so are a large percentgae of Swiss. Get your racist ass out of here.
As a malaysian, i laughed at this. Full of deception
Meh at best.
Welcome to America! Currently, liberals and Democrats who want open borders are CONSTANTLY deceiving the public masses through illogical and irrational sociology and gender studies courses at college, to these stupid youtube videos, to popular news channels that many Americans watch such as CNN. It is a big problem right now that many smart people are trying to fix.
Ye lah
{{{deceived dummies}}}
@Heather Larson you are right dude.
I am too indian 😂😁😁😂😂😂
lemme just compare a 26 mile island to the United States
Songapore’s borders are not open! I repeat not OPENED! The government has tight restriction on migrant students, workers and guardians, that is why Singapore is so successful! The migrant construction. Workers are taken in very systematically, they have housing, food and other benefits already planned out for them and it’s free, and they have leaders there who can speak both English and the forgein language. They already have a schedule planned out for them, and when it’s time to hand over their worker pass, they will be sent back to their country. In order to become Singaporean citizens, you must make an investment or be a super skilled and talented person or you are a student here. Singapore only want the best of the best to become their citizens.
Yeah. We did.
Quartz ok, so what’s the point of using Singapore as an example?
I agree with your sentiments, but nothing is "free".
It may be free to them but someone had to pay for their housing and everything else.
I'm wondering if there is a shortage of locals there that could have done those jobs though.
Like is there no unemployment there or people om welfare they could have given those jobs to instead of bringing in foreigners?
Here in the States they give them everything free
@@Qznews What a load of crap
One of greatest joys of having different countries, with different ethno-racial groups, is differences of national identity.
@Simon Noel There's the matter of kinship, especially when it's the matter of country and fellow-country folk. Citizenship is a formality,… it's not biology. Isolated breeding populations created distinctive differences with different populations. And, btw, we humans purportedly share about 98.8% of the basically same DNA as Bonobos/Chimpanzees. It doesn't take much genetic difference to make very evident morphological differences.
@Simon when you go to other people countries you assimilate
@Simon Yes, you are a guest in a country other than what you are a citizen of. And, of course even within your own country in many cases, you're a guest in many situations.
Open international borders across the globe is just too theoretically utopian to be true and the hidden risks are just disastrously overlooked
You are 100% wrong!
@@VNn2023 He's literally 100% factually and objectively correct
@@adamnasir2 Prove it
People who support open borders should support open doors for their houses and let homeless people live in them
I’ve never seen a 100% disagreement in a comment section with a video . Congratulations!
Idealists present incomplete information that seems to be logical. Their assumption is always that humans are good and nothing bad will result. But we see in reality that drug cartels and foreign enemies readily take advantage of opportunities like an open border. How many US citizens have to die, how many have to be captured into human trafficking, how much taxation to pay for the flood of unprepared or vetted illegal immigration is sustainable, and what is the end game? Zero law, zero freedom, zero resistance to corrupt and armed government....in short the collapse of the US Constitution and the brilliant model of freedom it provided, in exchange for a single ruling elite that decides a what a person's life will be and what they will be allotted. The USSR on a global scale.
If you are rich, diversity means:
1) Cheaper labor
2) Higher profits
3) More food options, etc
If you are poor or working class, diversity means:
1) Crime
2) Lower wages
3) Lack of social cohesion
The working class and poor are the MAJORITY. Why is diversity promoted by the oligarchs?
I foresee a few problems:
1. Immediate decline in nominal wage rates
across the developed world.
2. Global exchange rate volatility
3. Omnitaxibility: any 'government' or quasi-
governmental body may choose to force
any part of the world to pay its taxes.
4. No mediating bodies to mitigate ethnic
tensions, especially in Malaysia, Zambia,
and/or the Levant.
5. Overextraction of resources in certain
regions, to the point of serious ecological
damage.
6. Faster and wider spread of diseases, like
Ebola.
This was a great counter argument I found in another comment section.
1. Thanks to corporate greed that is already happening...
2. If we leave commerce the way it is and just have it for human rights only open border option, it wouldn't effect it
3. If there is commerce involved and money involved probably, but if it is just people traveling freely probably not
4. 5. And 6. You can't be that naive thinking everyone will flcok to 1st world countries. Not everybody wants to leave their country.
1. Thanks to corporate greed that is already happening...
2. If we leave commerce the way it is and just have it for human rights only open border option, it wouldn't effect it
3. If there is commerce involved and money involved probably, but if it is just people traveling freely probably not
4. 5. And 6. You can't be that naive thinking everyone will flcok to 1st world countries. Not everybody wants to leave their country.
Miami doesn't get richer by hiring a migrant if theres already people willing to do the job. Miami especially doesn't get richer if the migrant sends all their earnings over seas. Open borders would be a catastrophe and huge drain on the US economy
Great case for a regulated guest worker program. Not open borders.
@Accelerationist Yeah that's certainly a problem. It appears in Singapore they are strict about enforcing it, but would I trust the US government to enforce the law? HECK NO. Even with a supposedly fascist, anti immigrant President we still have nearly 20 million illegals. So I would not support such a program in the US, unless there were some concessions like abolishing birthright citizenship and more funding for deporting people who overstay visas.
Where to go if there is no border? Everything is the same and the only climate will be the distinctive feature. No countries, no currencies, no cultures. No, I don’t want to live in such a world.
The amount of people commenting after having watched only the first 30 seconds of the video is staggering.
You're telling us. >>sigh
'Why isn't everyone doing it?' Because everyone is not you.
This is some capitalist swill
Diversity is overrated
surely only those rich enough to move will be able to benefit from open borders. where as those that are to poor to move will suffer the most from increased competition and lower wages.
Sure, rich and poor is a kind of inhibitor. Also thinking in terms of skilled and unskilled. Educated and not educated. In regards to the individual and the argument for open borders - opportunity seems to outweigh the setbacks.
@@Qznews This video screams first world priviledge, even if you are tryring to be all left wing, progressive etc. you guys are massively failing. Do you think migrants like leaving their countries, families, cultures? All people want to see their own countries prosper and develop, and it is each countries right to prosper. Your argument is basically saying that countries like Haiti should live off the money haitian immigrants send to their families and never develop, because diversity for rich countries is more important than letting poor countries develop, grow industry and stable economies.
Thanks for your reply, I think that there are certainly many benefits for the immigrants and the host countries.
I think the way in which Singapore has implimented their immigration policy is a good balance as it protects the native population while giving the opportunities to those in need.
In terms of skilled and unskilled, I think that is another factor you could explore further in your videos, Since immigration can lead to brain drain from developing countries.
Simeon Coath The roots of brain drain lies more in hearts of corruption and politics, denying them the opportunity to make a change.
For Example is india's filling of institutions through caste quota. Resulting in stagnant working environment and denying the deserving ones.Also there is to blame the mafia and general public that are short sighted and chooses subsidies over economic development.
As a result they move to places where their work is given a value
That is a very good point Promod Gogoi, I still think with a deeply rooted cultural problem such as that the change must come from the brightest of the younger generation but I know that is not that simple.
One word
Dont get decieved by this
Why is it people always bring up food as a reason to have open borders? Super stupid.
2:37 But what if the Haitian worker inspires the other workers to adopt his way of working? What if he is less productive, less reliable and less efficient? Is that still better for America?
Nationalism is pride, Nationalism is civility, Nationalism is right. Language customs and borders should be the battlecry of conservatives everywhere.
@Zederok But what if a person don't like nationalism?
@@haydencase7886 Tough shit.
for a country that has one of the tightest border control and immigration control
Poor countries wouldn't have chance to develop. Most young people will stay in the rich country. Poor and elder still remain in their country. The benfit will remain in rich country and small people who worked oversea.
Yes and these young people will send back money to the people that couldn't move so everyone wins.
Thanks Jewish man.
The EU is a very bad example of open borders.
Also, the U.K. has open borders.
Full on bulls'it
WHY ISNT EVERYONE DOING IT?????? ITS CALLED BEING A PROUD NATIONIST!!!!!! IMPORT THE 3RD WORLD BECOME THE 3RD WORLD.
Literal makes no sense at all
People forget that almost the entire world had open borders as recently as 100 years ago. Why should borders be open only for businesses and capital? Why not people? Do we value people less?
If “freedom” is touted as important and worth dying for, why are some so afraid of it in practice?
The nation state and ethnic identity will die with open borders
F’s in the chat
who pays for the welfare? who gets to vote? how do you document people? how do you stop criminals from entering? none of that matters.
The Haitian worker will also have higher living expenses in Miami so using the word Richer is pure ignorance. Maybe he will now be able to eat better and clothe himself but it will be a culture shock of how much more it cost to live in Miami than Haiti.
Singapore does not have open borders at all. If EU was so successful, then why do so many Europeans want their country to leave eu and be in charge of their own borders
America,new Zealand and Australia..where did their original inhabitants gone???
An immigrant is not a guest worker. Just a reminder.
I also agree to many of the comments here being Singapore has a very tough immigration policy. I witnessed many time where people are refuse of entry if their visit does not benefits the country.
Badly reseached propoganda. Student level of understanding. Constantly using the phrase 'economist's make the case for open borders is absolute nonsense. Usually economist's with qn agenda. Many totally agree. Particularly now data is in from mass migration into Europe. For example, data suggests that migration into Sweden has been spectacularly unsiccessful with under 5% of migrants being expected to find work within 10 years. That is the optimistic interpretation.
I'd go to Japan. They need young people to move in and help out. I'm an engineer and technician, but affording to move from America just isn't something I can do on my own. Anyone want a worker?
There are 500 million Indians who'll gladly move to the USA, what will the gov do if they open the border?
it creates even worse false sense of financial security.
Americans don't like the kinds of social controls that Singapore applies, like using policy to racially integrate public housing.
The assimilation of large numbers of immigrants would take a long time just as it did in 19th and 20th century America. The Italians, the Germans, Polish, Irish, were all unwelcome but they enriched the US. We have been moving products around the globe in an effort to eradicate poverty. If people were allowed to move, poverty would disappear much faster but policies and programs would need to be amended quickly.
Why is Ireland not included in the eu diagrams?
Ireland is in the EU
I have to agree with a lot of comments here! To me the whole point of open borders is the fact that people would be allowed to move to any country to live, work or get an education. This also means that immigrants would have an opportunity to go back to their country. Thus reducing the tensions in developed countries and benefiting developing countries.
This video misses this point completely.
We have open borders. That’s what legal immigration and passports enable. “Open borders” as described in a communist country (Singapore) means either you have NO RIGHTS OR MASS VIOLENT CRIME or they just kill you. Hmmm
What kind of propaganda is this?!😂
Open borders to Israel
Singapore makes money by being a tax haven and spends it paying people to clean their homes and the street. There isn't very much upward mobility for a housekeeper.
At 1:42 you have Ireland not being in the EU but the last time I checked they have been
why only in Whit3 countries?
To sum up ,Religion and cultural factors are the main reasons which makes the case against open borders^^.
The video has little to do with reality. Singapore doesn't operate an open borders policy today and never has.
When more people come, more restaurants are needed, more teachers, more construction workers, more entertainment and more of everything. It means more jobs needed. Jobs happen only when there is a need
Ummm not exactly right. As stated above several times, many open border migrants live off the dole of the country. They are non-productive freeloaders supported by taxation of the those who do work. that means the only money they have to spend is better off in the hands of the people who actually earned it. Its a noble thought but clearly, not everyone who comes from a foreign land is industrious and hard working. Those who are and can demonstrate it, often get visas to immigrate by using the current immigration laws already in place.
It isn't exactly open. Singapore only takes in the most qualified and productive. Meritocracy.
Why not? Racism and Culturalism fear? What we lose is our idea of ourselves, which paralyzes our actions. So good, but so much fear🤔
There are SOOOOOO many things wrong with this video. Let's start with the fact that this video makes assumptions as if humans are a homogenous being. We have different religions, beliefs, customs, cultures that often clash and throughout history has been the cause of multiple wars. On the economic aspect, we have limited resources. Open borders would cause nothing but certain places to be overpopulated and overwhelmed to the point that the prosperity in such areas would be diminished. Other places would be drained of people and will be left into desert cities, or this case entire regions/countries. Furthermore, open borders would disservice people in developing, low-income countries from making it better. Why work to fix the problems in a city/country when you can just move somewhere where those problems are not a thing?
Quartz, wtf is this?
At the fundamental biological/genetic level, humans are not equal, and this applies to both the individuals and populational/racial/ethnic levels. Allowing indiscriminate migration will only lead to the extinguishing of the few bright sparks of humanity.
Hell on earth
When you give them money- dont take it from others first- that would be stealing. Theft is bad- yes it must be said.
isn't this the same thing happening in UAE/Dubai ???
We're a sovereign nation.
Would you remove all doors and windows from your house? What kind of attention does a house with no doors or windows attract?? People who want to live in peace renting your attic? Or people who are looking to make money/hide from something.
It will attract people looking to escape their government or cartel. Which are two warring factions in Mexico and what makes you think that fighting won't cross over into America? Where they aren't subject to their governments laws.
And for the good people that want a better life, how will we document them? They might as well just start the process of becoming a citizen. We do still do that. But it's a lot of work. There is no way for us to protect non-citizens who are taken advantage of and aren't being paid by their employer. Or are being exploited. And what about crime that is committed against them? Their government sure as hell isn't going to help them, and we shouldn't either. We have so many citizens who that police power need to be allocated to. How many homeless people do you pass by? Any roof that isn't a hotel roof or one of their family members roofs should be sheltering homeless people. If you want open borders why not open a bed and breakfast where you get paid nothing to house 10 illegal immigrants that you feed and help find them jobs. Because anyone who wants that must care so much about people they would sooner endanger their fellow countrymen than to take care of one.
Because unlike in Europe immigrants there work
Please don’t come to my country. Stay where you are and make ur country great!
SO SO SO MUCH IGNORANCE. WORST VIDEO I HAVE WATCHED EVER.
Ireland is in the eu
This video is super bias.
SOME ISSUES ARE ABOUT COMMON SENSE...SINGAPORE IS A VERY SMALL COUNTRY (CITY STATE) THAT IS ALREADY OVERCROWDED.....IMAGINE IF THEY GAVE CITIZENSHIP TO PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD THAT HAVE COME TO WORK THERE...SINGAPORE WOULD BE FACING A CRISIS MOST DEFINITELY INCLUDING LACK OF HOUSING FOR EVERYONE
This video didn't say that Singapore has open borders, do any of you actually watch before you comment? It isn't even advocating for a position. It does show that if people were able to put down their tribalism, the possibilities are endless.
SO if open borders were to somehow be adopted by the entire world as a policy, what would stop the majority of the world from coalescing in the largest economic and urban zones and overcrowding every major developed and urban country?
The same thing that is stopping everyone in the USA to move to New York or LA,Pricing.
What about culture? Ethno-racial considerations?
I notice they kept saying "workers" who immigrate in. Not all countries are bombarded by "workers," but by people who want to collect welfare off the social system of the host country. Open borders works iff the host country does not give social benefits to new arrivals.
Do realize that by "immigrant", Singapore means people they can temporarily import to get work done. They don't let these people live there forever.
Showing best and not showing the worst.
The mistake of this video is that it does n't explain that these immigrants cone there legally to work and they don't become citizens unless they marry a Singaporean. Singapore's success lies in the fact that they have an open free market place while having very very strict laws against crime. Having a diverse population doesn't mean that Singapore has open borders, they allow a lot of migrants specifically to work and contribute to Singapore society and economy, they do not allow drug dealers, rapist and murderers in...
If there really was open borders.. All I would do is travel. And come back to my country to keep working to keep travelling more. But this is obviously bigger than that right 🤷♂️🤷♂️
Singapore is pro migration? No Singapore is letting guest workers come in on a temporary basis to provide cheap labor. If they need the cheap
Labor but pay better than the workers home country it’s a win win. As long as this practice isn’t shutting out the lowest income citizens it looks like Singapore is putting the interest of its citizens first as any government should do.
Would the advantage of open borders be to make the currently ‘non-western’ countries, the ‘non-anglo’(non-south korean), and the ‘non-singaporean’, ‘non-japanese’, ‘non-chinese’ founded countries more enjoyable, habitable to live in?
Or, in other words, what are the overarching truly ‘end sum’ positive advantages of open borders, given the countries who have much more ‘lawlessness’ as demonstrated by the behavior of a higher percentage of their habitants/citizens compared to the other national-groups listed above?
The open borders crowd are universalist moralists. The morality of Jesus, but taken to the logical conclusion.
Miami is poorer. The pay suddenly drops to half of what is was prior to the Haitian migration. Miami becomes like Haiti.
Open border with legal immigrant is not the same with open border with illegal immigrant.
The relevant part is the legal and illegal.
Good "open border" is the one that the legality of who can come to the country is determined by the government of a country by the decision that comes from the people of that country.
The bad and ugly "open border" is the one that the decision who can come to the country decided not by the people of the country; the one who will bare the consequences of the incomming migrant.
Me thinks what George Soros, the pupet master, the one who pays the economic "expert" in this video, and probably also pays the creator of this video, is promoting the bad and ugly "open border".
Btw we already have the ideal open border... The Internet.
Did you get that Georgi?
Gin,
1:47 Ireland is a Part of the EU and neither the UK or Ireland is part of schengen area
The former leader of Singapore said that you can live with everyone peacefully except muslims.
So many assumptions in this video.
This is about MONEY and cheap Labor.
Great video ..loved it! but seriously i dont think its that easy!
instead of open borders why not advocate for countries to do more to better the lives of their citizens?
It's not mutually exclusive.
Open boarders for US and Canada must also be great! /s
not every country is Singapore
this is crazy. She has no idea about Singapore...just pure propaganda...
Are they given passports/citizenship rights and aloud to stay? Or are they just exploited guest workers?
Couldn’t even watch all of it ... so wrong. The worker has the same productivity, just gets paid differently makes more money because all expenses are larger in Miami, sends money back home , usa becomes poorer. EU is open boarders as is the USA, but you have to be legal and very few people leave there country to go to another one in Europe.
Open boarders as you refer to it means all will leave the poor countries and go to the rich ones and those countries will never be built up again it only helps oligarchs.
Imagine there are 100 works to do in a place and there are 100 people to do it, and each person is paid 1 unit of reward for it. Now, bring In 100 more people to do the same amount of works. Now they all get paid half a unit of reward each, unless any one of two things happen: 100% inflation or 100 more works are created. So, in a world with open borders, it most likely won't make a meaningful difference whether you go to Norway or Somalia. 8th grade stuff.
You guys know Ireland is in the EU right? Also, UK isn't part of Schengen I believe?
It’s possible to make a compelling argument for an open border policy, but not on economic grounds. That is, unless you’re a shitty right-leaning libertarian, and don’t mind if social welfare programs and public health care collapses. Additionally, in a modern social democracy with decreasing need for unskilled labour, open borders is a recipe for big economic disparities and social unrest. Plain and simple. The capital owners are the only people in those societies who would benefit economically from open borders. Economists generally agree on this. I have no idea where you found this guy, who apparently claims otherwise. I found your description of Singapore’s policies to be quite misleading as well. Rather than spreading falsehoods, you should make the case for open borders on humanitarian grounds. At least that would be a somewhat stronger argument.
Here in the Netherlands we let Marokkan and Turkish workers in in very large numbers a couple of decades ago. We actually have many nationalities living together here and even though the Dutchmen still very much exists, I wouldn't consider anyone any less part of our nation. And the Netherlands prosper very well. Today we see foreign workers being housed here without any sense of belonging and that's fine, but keeping peoples truly separate can easily lead to frictions. I think it worked much better before when people truly moved here and began finding their place. Different isn't better or worse, it's just different. Cultures mix all the time if we let them interact. Almost none of the things we think traditional have their roots in their current cultures. Opening trade has already been proven to be the most beneficial thing countries ever began to do. Opening borders to people as well will be the next big step. Let's stop seeing only part of this planet as our home and let's start seeing all of it as our responsibility and become caretakers of all the planet. Spread equality, raise wealth anywhere and the average standard of living will rise along with it.
thanks for saying this. If we dig into the past more we can see most of these populations that don't want immigration came from different areas. Some of our current culture is already a product of mixing more of the same is just that.
You left out Croatia on map at 1:39