The boffins at Trinnov have innovated more in the past few years than all of the legacy audio companies combined. I love what they do, even though it is significantly outside my scope and budget!
I don't have one, but my friend had one installed in his studio. This is for anyone watching this video thinking what's the fuss. It really has to be heard to believed, it's night and day switching it on and off. It clears up some of the issues related to drivers and crossovers, each driver has different phase, and this seems to figure out the driver's cross over points and bands, correct for any issues, and aligns the stereo image with laser precision. It's actually wild, pin point precision details so you can actually judge, and not second guess mixing decisions. It's not cheap, but neither is acoustic treatment, or your speakers. It optimises the best of ingredients. It is the audio equivalent of MSG. Sorry for the rant. Before you judge, hearing is believing.
Just got a Nova installed in the studio and I must say i'm very impressed by what it has done for the audio and my mixes so far - very impressive tech! I tried to use Sonarworks once but I turned it off after a few days as it wasn't doing it for me at all. The Nova is a totally different beast! I hope they iron out the bugs soon (apparently there is an update coming) Also, the latency it adds of around 20-30ms could do with being reduceable when tracking synths both hardware and software....
Instead of letting you daisy chain NOVAs, they’ve added a Dante option to MC-Pro. So, you do have the option of running ATMOS with Dante, just with another box.
Very cool. Would’ve liked to hear more about La Remote. Also, don’t the Trinnovs also treat cancellations? I could’ve sworn I saw a video with a Trinnov applying phase inversions at a specific frequency when needed. Thanks
I can understand that they want to differentiate the Nova from their higher end devices. Maybe it's just time for a MC Pro and/or D-Mon Mk2 or one combined successor? Something with Dante, the new microphone and enough channels for up to 9.3.6 would be amazing. With more and more studios building Atmos rooms there would surely be a market for a device that can keep up.
Thank you! We have an ORIA review in our most recent video on the channel, check it out - it’s worth noting that the NOVA and ORIA are two completely different product genres and so comparing them would be a little bit of apples to oranges :) th-cam.com/video/YTvU9RxjPYA/w-d-xo.htmlsi=bdN2tajWUexFoNdu
We have lots of plans! Just previously haven’t had enough time to make this content :) lots planned for the future! We never intended for the live streams to fully replace the content though.
Along with the ‘expert’ mode, does the software have a ‘pillock’ mode that reverts the whole display to a game of Pacman... so that the rest of us could use it..? Would the old Phil Collins drum trick of leaving the door open work with a microwave oven, too..?
Quick Question, Is the AES out on the Nova Pre or Post calibration? would like to connect the AES out of the Nova to AES in of the TC Clarity for constant metering.
Great video. Thanks! I am used to running out of my DA to my ATC50s via a Dangerous ST. How would this integrate and would it cause latency that will mean I can only use while mixing?
It will cause latency while tracking, but some are more sensitive to that than others. Trinnov are soon to incorporate a hard bypass for those situations. And it will add another stage of conversion if using analogue in an out. But we can’t hear any degradation at all.
I have a question ! Is it possible to use Nova in a multli-channel Atmos setup with for example Audient Oria interface? Is it a way to use the "Stereo" speaker setup callibrated with Nova and the other speakers with Oria"s built it calibration ?
Hi guys, thanks for a great channel!! Quick Q: My Trinnov ST2 Pro makes a short audio mute (a few millisecs.) every time I push any button or make an adjustments. This is fairly annoying. Does the NOVA do that too?
Cheers! The ST2 and MC-Pro mute the audio for a few milliseconds when the system is bypassed, but not when it’s active. It’s a known thing on those two models - our MC-Pro does it too.
@@PresentDayProduction Hmmm mine does this constantly when active and mutes briefly every time I hit any button, adjust any value, push a mono-downmix button or anything. So my question was, does the NOVA do that too? 🙂
The nova does not do this at all, regardless of bypass state. With your Trinnov, I’d recommend getting in touch with your local dealer because that definitely doesn’t sound right.
There are so many options it would be difficult to pinpoint one that works for everyone, but there is great advice on this on the SOS website: www.soundonsound.com/music-business/insurance-studios-producers-engineers-musicians
I think Trinnov went this way because of possible user 'confusion'. It seems to me, they want to make it clear that the Nova is for stereo calibration with extra IO for outboard gear. For someone like me, waiting on Atmos gear to work outs its issues AND pricing , it is a nice option to have one interface that will allow me to hook a preamp, maybe some outboard mastering gear or even a synth and I am good to go. Then, for Atmos, they will create a SuperNova *shrug*, that will be targeted at Atmos users. So it won't be confusing, Nova for Stereo, SuperNova for Atmos.
Hello chaps and thank you for another thorough and informative video :) I'm lucky enough to have a pair of Ex Machina Pulsar 2 monitors and was wondering if you can answer a specific question. The speakers have around 3ms of latency in tracking mode and 46ms with the full DSP operating. Do you happen to know if that can be taken into account when calibrating a system with the Trinnov? I realise I may need to ask Trinnov this but you seem to be pretty familiar with the details! Cheers, Dave
Great monitors... I have the Mk One's (with the mk2 dsp kit I've yet to install) so also will be interested if the guys reply. Fantastic music on your channel David, I have subscribed :-)
Hi Dave! Any system latency will be taken into account by the Trinnov. So you could do two calibrations, one in tracking mode and one with full DSP and save them as different presets - although the Nova processing latency is around 25ms, so you might want to bypass it for tracking. There is a full hardware bypass coming as a software update in 2024 too. I hope that answers your question! Cheers, Mark
I have a set of Pulsar MK2’s too. I was told by Ex Machina that it’s not recommended to calibrate the Pulsar’s in DSP mode with the Trinnov. They also claim their DSP for the Pulsar is tighter than the Trinnov. Therefore, I would recommend you calibrate the Pulsar with the DSP on and off and providing you can bypass the phase of the Trinnov, see which one you prefer best.
Looking at my monitors (which I really like), getting that unit, would be like getting a toilet seat made of pure gold. That said, nice review and who knows, maybe my setup changes drastically at some point.
I’ve heard a lot of your mixes now, Peter, and your monitors are clearly working for you! So don’t go changin’! Thank you for all your support again this year, and have a wonderful Christmas!
Would it be possible with a 6 Channel Nova to Form a Stereo 3-way active Crossover Network (when active crossovers are Release for Nova in 2024 as stated on Trinnov Website)? I only found statements for 2way Active Crossover Networks :(
@@PresentDayProduction Waitwaitwaitwaitwait, hold on, let’s, let’s just calm down and breathe for a minute….………no, actually, I take that back!!! don’t calm down! Do that, but make it a spiky, pointy hairgel version, like a manga sea witch with big, upwards pointing pointy clumps of white hair that somehow move in the wind even when you’re indoors. A bit like my dong…. yeah, ok, that makes no sense, I’ll see myself out *actually logs out of TH-cam account for the first time in 8 years*
It doesn't do Atmos... but... could you use two units with all outputs active, and calibrate each speaker separately in the Atmos setup... as it already does the timing, it might work??? Or would this be slightly off?
The main problem with this would be controlling the volume (and telling the second Trinnov what the other six speakers are, you'd probably have to turn the mic around and do it backwards!). We use La Remote and that will only control one unit. Let's hope they come up with a solution soon, because our MC Pro calibrates an Atmos system to absolute perfection in about 2-3 minutes! If the Nova can be upgraded to do that in the future it will be a game changer, and you won't need an interface, monitor controller, or consumer decoder any more.
@@PresentDayProductionI mentioned this in another comment, but it looks like they’re added a Dante option to MC-Pro. So, you can use that instead of NOVA. (Unless I’ve misunderstood something.)
selling a piece of hardware and hiding key features behind a paywall instantly disqualifies this. especially in a pro setup you want your hardware to work whether the company that built it is still going or not.
You have a two channel license by default when you purchase the unit. There’s no paywall for that. The extra channel licenses though, they must be purchased to expand upwards to bigger systems. They have always done this with their older products. It means that you can scale the system up to how big you need it and not pay for unnecessary channels. To clarify, it’s a one off purchase, and it works forever, it’s not a subscription
And it’s also a lot more expensive; and you need another interface in between your computer and the D-Mon. Nova directly into your computer using Dante Virtual Soundcard eliminates another box in the chain, so we’re hoping they up the channel count over Dante as reported when they announced it.
(After listening to five minutes of Tech Support James) and this is the easy solution? 👴🏽 Edit after watching the whole video: Trinnos is like the audio version of Panasonic. For years they completely ignored the massive, screaming wall of amateur and professional photographers and videographers telling them to finally get with the times and equip their cameras with phase detect autofocus, and when they finally, begrudgingly did with the LUMIX S5 II, they where completely overrun and shocked by the sales numbers. And why is it such a success? Because Panasonic was already the best or tied for best on (maybe?) all other measures, but unusable autofocus is an obvious deal-breaker for most people. How can big-brained hardware companies that cater to creative people be so tone-deaf?
Your comment makes no sense. Panasonic is massively bigger company than Trinnov. And the consumer camera market itself is huge compared to the professional recording market. (NOVA is not a consumer product--and is even a niche product within the pro recording world)
I HATE licenses in hardware. I bought the damn thing, let me use it for that price of GTFO.... Oh well... this is for corporate customers, not for consumers. Horribly expensive.
It's a one-off purchase, not a subscription. So you'd rather pay £13,800 for a 16-channel Trinnov with no option to only buy two channels? This solution they run is fantastic because you can pay for the channels you need, once, and don't pay for what you don't need. And if you expand your setup, rather than having to buy a new unit, you just unlock more channels, again as a one time payment. It's like buying a new interface but without buying a new interface. I really don't see the issue.
@@PresentDayProductionthey must be making a profit for each unit, regardless of the license level someone buys, ight? So why have the licenses at all? Just sell one version of the unit, with full capability, and it doesn't have to costs 13k, clearly... or are they making a loss on those cheaper units? I feel that if I buy a piece of hardware, I buy a piece of hardware in full. Having licenses means that they are just taking larger margin from those who need more capabilities, but are making a profit on each unit regardless. You can go ahead and read what happened when Yamaha closed down license servers for their DM1000 consoles and one can't get the upgraded effects for the console anymore, no matter how much they want to pay. So all DM1000 consoles are forced to be in that configuration they were before servers were closed even if the hardware itself is still very capable and usable... So it's also an environmental issue. Let's say Trinnov goes under tomorrow and can't provide upgrade licenses anymore... the hardware units are locked into the configuration they were in when they were bought, forever. So they're more readily thrown away when the next thing comes along because they're low spec. So it's an environmental issue as well.
The boffins at Trinnov have innovated more in the past few years than all of the legacy audio companies combined. I love what they do, even though it is significantly outside my scope and budget!
Nice to see a non-livestream vid, gents. Good information, here!
Instructions unclear, stuffed my microwave with rockwool
🤣
Got it, LOVE it! It's an amazing product! Worth the money! Long time Sonarworks user but the NOVA is WAY above it in all aspects
I don't have one, but my friend had one installed in his studio. This is for anyone watching this video thinking what's the fuss. It really has to be heard to believed, it's night and day switching it on and off. It clears up some of the issues related to drivers and crossovers, each driver has different phase, and this seems to figure out the driver's cross over points and bands, correct for any issues, and aligns the stereo image with laser precision.
It's actually wild, pin point precision details so you can actually judge, and not second guess mixing decisions. It's not cheap, but neither is acoustic treatment, or your speakers. It optimises the best of ingredients. It is the audio equivalent of MSG. Sorry for the rant. Before you judge, hearing is believing.
Just got a Nova installed in the studio and I must say i'm very impressed by what it has done for the audio and my mixes so far - very impressive tech! I tried to use Sonarworks once but I turned it off after a few days as it wasn't doing it for me at all. The Nova is a totally different beast! I hope they iron out the bugs soon (apparently there is an update coming) Also, the latency it adds of around 20-30ms could do with being reduceable when tracking synths both hardware and software....
A bit above my budget, but very cool tech! Cool to see a non-livestream video from PDP again!
Instead of letting you daisy chain NOVAs, they’ve added a Dante option to MC-Pro. So, you do have the option of running ATMOS with Dante, just with another box.
Thank you for mentioning this product
I'm glad it's not Atmos. Makes it more affordable for those of us only doing surround mixing currently.
But the capability would be nice - and you only pay for the channel count you need
Very interesting! Been waiting for this!
Very cool. Would’ve liked to hear more about La Remote. Also, don’t the Trinnovs also treat cancellations? I could’ve sworn I saw a video with a Trinnov applying phase inversions at a specific frequency when needed. Thanks
Here's a LaRemote video for ya!
th-cam.com/video/hYCR2Ri5aXY/w-d-xo.html
I can understand that they want to differentiate the Nova from their higher end devices. Maybe it's just time for a MC Pro and/or D-Mon Mk2 or one combined successor? Something with Dante, the new microphone and enough channels for up to 9.3.6 would be amazing. With more and more studios building Atmos rooms there would surely be a market for a device that can keep up.
Very good review. A Oria comparison would be great.
Thank you! We have an ORIA review in our most recent video on the channel, check it out - it’s worth noting that the NOVA and ORIA are two completely different product genres and so comparing them would be a little bit of apples to oranges :)
th-cam.com/video/YTvU9RxjPYA/w-d-xo.htmlsi=bdN2tajWUexFoNdu
Thanks, superb overview
Agree with everyone about the non-livestream content
We have lots of plans! Just previously haven’t had enough time to make this content :) lots planned for the future! We never intended for the live streams to fully replace the content though.
Along with the ‘expert’ mode, does the software have a ‘pillock’ mode that reverts the whole display to a game of Pacman... so that the rest of us could use it..? Would the old Phil Collins drum trick of leaving the door open work with a microwave oven, too..?
Is there in your opinion any audible difference between the e.g. ST2 Pro and the NOVA regarding the basic room correction functions??
Quick Question, Is the AES out on the Nova Pre or Post calibration? would like to connect the AES out of the Nova to AES in of the TC Clarity for constant metering.
Great video. Thanks! I am used to running out of my DA to my ATC50s via a Dangerous ST. How would this integrate and would it cause latency that will mean I can only use while mixing?
It will cause latency while tracking, but some are more sensitive to that than others. Trinnov are soon to incorporate a hard bypass for those situations. And it will add another stage of conversion if using analogue in an out. But we can’t hear any degradation at all.
I have a question ! Is it possible to use Nova in a multli-channel Atmos setup with for example Audient Oria interface? Is it a way to use the "Stereo" speaker setup callibrated with Nova and the other speakers with Oria"s built it calibration ?
What is the story behind the aggressive pricing for additional output channel activation while it's only a software update??
Hi guys, thanks for a great channel!!
Quick Q: My Trinnov ST2 Pro makes a short audio mute (a few millisecs.) every time I push any button or make an adjustments. This is fairly annoying. Does the NOVA do that too?
Cheers!
The ST2 and MC-Pro mute the audio for a few milliseconds when the system is bypassed, but not when it’s active. It’s a known thing on those two models - our MC-Pro does it too.
@@PresentDayProduction Hmmm mine does this constantly when active and mutes briefly every time I hit any button, adjust any value, push a mono-downmix button or anything. So my question was, does the NOVA do that too? 🙂
The nova does not do this at all, regardless of bypass state.
With your Trinnov, I’d recommend getting in touch with your local dealer because that definitely doesn’t sound right.
@@PresentDayProduction I am already talking to Trinnovs support team. Hope to get this sorted if it is a system/unit error. THANKS guys!!
Thanks for the vid, Random Q: where do studios get their insurance from?
There are so many options it would be difficult to pinpoint one that works for everyone, but there is great advice on this on the SOS website:
www.soundonsound.com/music-business/insurance-studios-producers-engineers-musicians
I think Trinnov went this way because of possible user 'confusion'. It seems to me, they want to make it clear that the Nova is for stereo calibration with extra IO for outboard gear. For someone like me, waiting on Atmos gear to work outs its issues AND pricing , it is a nice option to have one interface that will allow me to hook a preamp, maybe some outboard mastering gear or even a synth and I am good to go. Then, for Atmos, they will create a SuperNova *shrug*, that will be targeted at Atmos users. So it won't be confusing, Nova for Stereo, SuperNova for Atmos.
Always leave the middle of the plate empty when nuking food in the microwave. It can't leave the middle cold when there's nothing there.
Hello chaps and thank you for another thorough and informative video :) I'm lucky enough to have a pair of Ex Machina Pulsar 2 monitors and was wondering if you can answer a specific question. The speakers have around 3ms of latency in tracking mode and 46ms with the full DSP operating. Do you happen to know if that can be taken into account when calibrating a system with the Trinnov? I realise I may need to ask Trinnov this but you seem to be pretty familiar with the details! Cheers, Dave
Great monitors... I have the Mk One's (with the mk2 dsp kit I've yet to install) so also will be interested if the guys reply. Fantastic music on your channel David, I have subscribed :-)
Hi Dave! Any system latency will be taken into account by the Trinnov. So you could do two calibrations, one in tracking mode and one with full DSP and save them as different presets - although the Nova processing latency is around 25ms, so you might want to bypass it for tracking. There is a full hardware bypass coming as a software update in 2024 too. I hope that answers your question! Cheers, Mark
@@molem348 Yes they are a joy to work with aren't they? Really glad you like the music - thank you very much indeed for the channel sub! 😁
@@PresentDayProduction Thank you very much Mark! That has indeed answered my question perfectly 👍🏼
I have a set of Pulsar MK2’s too. I was told by Ex Machina that it’s not recommended to calibrate the Pulsar’s in DSP mode with the Trinnov. They also claim their DSP for the Pulsar is tighter than the Trinnov. Therefore, I would recommend you calibrate the Pulsar with the DSP on and off and providing you can bypass the phase of the Trinnov, see which one you prefer best.
Man I really want one of these... I'm using Sonarworks with my ATCs right now and it definitely feels lacking. Plus, frankly its buggy as hell.
The Trinnov will be leagues above!
finily , thanks for that .
Looking at my monitors (which I really like), getting that unit, would be like getting a toilet seat made of pure gold.
That said, nice review and who knows, maybe my setup changes drastically at some point.
I’ve heard a lot of your mixes now, Peter, and your monitors are clearly working for you! So don’t go changin’! Thank you for all your support again this year, and have a wonderful Christmas!
@@PresentDayProduction Thank you ever so much.
Merry Christmas to Mark, Sam and you as well.
😂😂😂 Excellent! I share those exact same feelings 101% r.e. my monitors. Uh, and my 4000+ € toilet seat. And the bog roll is wired backwards! 😉
You can’t have out of phase loo roll, that would be catastrophic! 😱
Would it be possible with a 6 Channel Nova to Form a Stereo 3-way active Crossover Network (when active crossovers are Release for Nova in 2024 as stated on Trinnov Website)? I only found statements for 2way Active Crossover Networks :(
Yes, you should be able to form a three way active stereo pair in principle. But let’s see how Trinnov respond!
Can you bypass the unit while tracking?
They’re working on an update that provides a hard bypass, yes
Uh, your hair looks a million times better at that lenght and consequently so do you!?
Awww thanks! I might grow it, White Sea style 😝
@@PresentDayProduction Waitwaitwaitwaitwait, hold on, let’s, let’s just calm down and breathe for a minute….………no, actually, I take that back!!! don’t calm down! Do that, but make it a spiky, pointy hairgel version, like a manga sea witch with big, upwards pointing pointy clumps of white hair that somehow move in the wind even when you’re indoors. A bit like my dong….
yeah, ok, that makes no sense, I’ll see myself out
*actually logs out of TH-cam account for the first time in 8 years*
can you not create an an aggregate audio device with 2 units on a mac?
It doesn't do Atmos... but... could you use two units with all outputs active, and calibrate each speaker separately in the Atmos setup... as it already does the timing, it might work???
Or would this be slightly off?
Maybe as two 5.1 setups
or rather 5.1 and a 6
The main problem with this would be controlling the volume (and telling the second Trinnov what the other six speakers are, you'd probably have to turn the mic around and do it backwards!). We use La Remote and that will only control one unit. Let's hope they come up with a solution soon, because our MC Pro calibrates an Atmos system to absolute perfection in about 2-3 minutes! If the Nova can be upgraded to do that in the future it will be a game changer, and you won't need an interface, monitor controller, or consumer decoder any more.
@@PresentDayProductionI mentioned this in another comment, but it looks like they’re added a Dante option to MC-Pro. So, you can use that instead of NOVA. (Unless I’ve misunderstood something.)
@@PresentDayProduction Defiantly would be a wise move and then they could move over to units using only their own chips
Can it correct the delay of the subwoofer if Its a separate unit ?
Yes it can
@@PresentDayProductionThanks James
Licenses on top of purchase costs... sad 😥
It includes two channels. Otherwise, yes, you have to buy channels in pairs. The same as with every other Trinnov product so far
Does this mean users like myself who run everything at 96k have to now change to 48k just to use the Nova?
No. Only the calibration has to be done at 48k, but that’s all internal using its own mic. Then it’ll switch back to 96k when the calibration is done.
Nooice!
James, why Salami ?
Did you borrow all that extra hair from James?
Indirectly, his hairdresser kindly donated the sweepings 🧹
selling a piece of hardware and hiding key features behind a paywall instantly disqualifies this.
especially in a pro setup you want your hardware to work whether the company that built it is still going or not.
You have a two channel license by default when you purchase the unit. There’s no paywall for that.
The extra channel licenses though, they must be purchased to expand upwards to bigger systems. They have always done this with their older products. It means that you can scale the system up to how big you need it and not pay for unnecessary channels.
To clarify, it’s a one off purchase, and it works forever, it’s not a subscription
You have turned a great feature into a problem ... negative mindset.
hmmmm…..add a trinnov or sell speakers and get the top end mum8’s…..???? 😬🙈😂🤣
The DMON is easy to interface with Atmos, so I don't understand the whining. AES in and out. Done.
And it’s also a lot more expensive; and you need another interface in between your computer and the D-Mon. Nova directly into your computer using Dante Virtual Soundcard eliminates another box in the chain, so we’re hoping they up the channel count over Dante as reported when they announced it.
@@PresentDayProductionDVS is a nightmare. The price of this has already gone down compared to the ST2. It's just greedy to complain
(After listening to five minutes of Tech Support James) and this is the easy solution? 👴🏽
Edit after watching the whole video: Trinnos is like the audio version of Panasonic.
For years they completely ignored the massive, screaming wall of amateur and professional photographers and videographers telling them to finally get with the times and equip their cameras with phase detect autofocus, and when they finally, begrudgingly did with the LUMIX S5 II, they where completely overrun and shocked by the sales numbers. And why is it such a success? Because Panasonic was already the best or tied for best on (maybe?) all other measures, but unusable autofocus is an obvious deal-breaker for most people.
How can big-brained hardware companies that cater to creative people be so tone-deaf?
Your comment makes no sense. Panasonic is massively bigger company than Trinnov. And the consumer camera market itself is huge compared to the professional recording market. (NOVA is not a consumer product--and is even a niche product within the pro recording world)
I HATE licenses in hardware. I bought the damn thing, let me use it for that price of GTFO....
Oh well... this is for corporate customers, not for consumers. Horribly expensive.
It's a one-off purchase, not a subscription. So you'd rather pay £13,800 for a 16-channel Trinnov with no option to only buy two channels? This solution they run is fantastic because you can pay for the channels you need, once, and don't pay for what you don't need. And if you expand your setup, rather than having to buy a new unit, you just unlock more channels, again as a one time payment. It's like buying a new interface but without buying a new interface. I really don't see the issue.
@@PresentDayProductionthey must be making a profit for each unit, regardless of the license level someone buys, ight? So why have the licenses at all? Just sell one version of the unit, with full capability, and it doesn't have to costs 13k, clearly... or are they making a loss on those cheaper units?
I feel that if I buy a piece of hardware, I buy a piece of hardware in full. Having licenses means that they are just taking larger margin from those who need more capabilities, but are making a profit on each unit regardless.
You can go ahead and read what happened when Yamaha closed down license servers for their DM1000 consoles and one can't get the upgraded effects for the console anymore, no matter how much they want to pay.
So all DM1000 consoles are forced to be in that configuration they were before servers were closed even if the hardware itself is still very capable and usable...
So it's also an environmental issue. Let's say Trinnov goes under tomorrow and can't provide upgrade licenses anymore... the hardware units are locked into the configuration they were in when they were bought, forever.
So they're more readily thrown away when the next thing comes along because they're low spec.
So it's an environmental issue as well.
False. You will never sell this unit, decades, so it's a bargain. And the license element is a GREAT FEATURE THAT SAVES MONEY. If you need it.
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