Thank you for this. This has strengthened my resolve to keep preaching the gospel and to earnestly contend for the faith. So many Christians want to water it down and push back against those of us that raise Biblical concerns. I'm sick of hearing "just be loving" as an attempt to water down the truth.
"For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek." Romans 1:16. It's only the gospel of Jesus Christ that saves.
I interpreted much of the ‘he gets us’ commercials over the past few months as pro illegal immigration / BLM liberal propaganda. Interesting it’s backed by one of the Hobby Lobby heirs, I was wondering where they got their money. Thanks for making the points you did.
@@JamesRiddle_Christ_is_KingWell … but a whole lot of the country is still talking about Jesus because of these commercials. Hopefully, people open their Bible (or get one) and find out more about Jesus. Let’s pray that they come face-to-face with the Gospel, believe it, and learn what you so boldly proclaim in your user name: that Christ is King. 😁 Thanks for the great witness to our Lord and Savior.
I've had conversations with others about how Jesus doesn't "get us." He has never said something stupid or hateful and been filled with regret, He has never struggled with indwelling sin, He has never enjoyed the approval of others when compromising God's standard. And it is because of the ways Jesus doesn't get us that He is relevant and valid as Savior and Redeemer. Another issue I have with this campaign and with The Chosen is professing Christians yoking with non-believers in a purported Gospel endeavor. 2 Corinthians 6:14-18 comes to mind.
"Our Master was slaughtered doing God's will. Our Master was slaughtered being the only righteous Man who ever lived. And He calls us to follow Him. We trust Him and follow Him. And if this world slaughtered Jesus then we are duped if we think that we can somehow massage our message, our approach, in a way that will cause the world to love us and acclaim us. And that's not going to happen as long as we preach the message." -Tom Ascol Revelation 5:9-10, And they sang a new song, saying, "Worthy are You to take the scroll and to open its seals, for You were slain (slaughtered), and by Your blood You ransomed people for God from every tribe and language and people and nation, and You have made them a kingdom and priests to our God, and they shall reign on the earth."
Thank you for talking about this! I'm not completely sure but I have a feeling I saw videos like that on some of the NAR/Word of Faith movement "stuff" I think I came across while watching JUSTIN PETERS MINISTRIES during one of his sermons about the "false prophet propaganda" it looked just like that and may have said the same words " he gets us"
Yes, it was Justin Peters and Tom Buck 3 months ago who did multiple talks and videos addressing the dangerous heretical "he gets us movement" some SBC churches were signing on to this.
I appreciated your thoughts on this. Before watching this video, my only exposure to your ministry was the three videos on Christian Nationalism. They were terrible. When I first saw these commercials, my first thought was that they were saying, “Jesus isn’t a Christian Nationalist.” That might actually be part of the point. Jesus doesn’t care if you’re an illegal immigrant … or a drag queen … or whatever you might be. We’re all just sinners in need of the Gospel. But as I watched this video by Founders, I realized that I was reading more into the commercials than was actually there. There was no Gospel in them at all. The only point seemed to be that Jesus isn’t a right-wing politician, with all the political baggage that seems to go with that. So I very much appreciated this analysis. It was spot-on. I only wished they had analyzed the Christian Nationalist movement with the same diligence. They mentioned Jesus and the Gospel more in this short video than they did in the almost 3 hours of content they posted on Christian Nationalism. I left those videos with the idea that Founders was just some right-wing political movement that had no relevance whatsoever to the Gospel. I guess they just had a bad day that day. But I look forward to more posts from Founders Ministries. Next year’s conference sounds great. Can’t wait for it. Thanks.
The problem has never been Him "getting" us. The problem has been us getting Him. Prior to the gift of regeneration, we don't know who He is and what He's done. Also, the images they select to show the viewer seem to endorse what the culture wants to do rather than endorsing what God wants us to do.
God does not love unconditionally as far as salvific, justificative, and filial love. He very much puts conditions on his love. We really need to watch how we throw around unconditional love.
They also say Jesus was an immigrant so He is like many ..He was fully human but He was the Holy sinless God of the universe. Unbelievers could care less about His Attributes only until the are regenerated and transform can they understand. They could have given the pure gospel message not an attraction to it No fear of God . We are not like Him His ways are not our ways. A waste of God's Money.
The problem with “He Gets Us” and The Chosen is that they get rid of Christ’s divine nature. They focus too much on Him being just a moral teacher; just a nice guy. I guy I work with recommended that I watch The Chosen because, “The Jesus they have is better than the Jesus of the Bible.” So many people like The Chosen because it shows a non-biblical Jesus. The same guy, months later, was trying to tell me that sin is ok because at the final judgement, God’s going to forgive everyone’s sin because He gets us and knows that it’s hard to refuse sin when it’s so pleasing. That guy is Episcopalian and grew up going to church and reading the Bible, so it’s not like he’s someone who has had an experience with hateful Christians, he apostatized because he doesn’t believe God is holy and just. I’ve met others like him, too. The Gospel is already offensive enough; it’s sin for us to make it more offensive. But it’s also sin to try to make it not offensive.
I'm not a big fan of The Chosen and have heard many critiques of it. Could you please provide some evidence that it presents "another Christ, another gospel or heresy?"
@@johntrevett2944 I think the biggest problem is that it’s looking at this from the perspective of this is what Jesus could have said or done from a human perspective, which is putting words in His mouth. Him saying, “Follow your heart,” is blasphemous. God tells us not to follow your heart. Following your heart leads to more sin. What I was getting at, though, is that I’ve heard people say they prefer this Jesus over the Jesus in Bible. They say the one in the Bible is judgemental because He says, “Repent.”
@TheCheeseNinja55 I think most people have a critical spirit which they confuse with discernment. The Chosen has the same Christ as the Bible and tells people to "repent" all over it. "Repent and believe to be precise." In the context of "follow your heart" was he talking to one of his disciples and responding to there heart towards God or an unbeliever in sin that doesn't know Him?
@@johntrevett2944 I believe it was to Nicodemus in what was supposed to parallel John 3, but I don’t fully remember. You are right on the difference between a critical and discerning spirit. When we see that unbelievers who have read the Bible say they prefer the show’s representation of Jesus over the Bible, we need to stop and figure out why that is. The creator, Dallas Jenkins says that his intentions are different than the Bible’s intentions. He wants to portray a Christ that is less than divine. His whole premise is to make Jesus more relatable. Unbelievers are evidently taking this to be a Jesus of their own image. Perhaps the show creators were not ill-intentioned, but they are creating something that unbelievers find more palatable than the Bible, which is very concerning to me.
@@marshallalbritton9521 since you’re a professional, what did you consider an insecure and defensive posture? I’m am less than an amateur at this sort of thing
@@toddstevens9667 for example, trying to present Jesus in a way that’s palatable to people that don’t like Him. This He Gets Us campaign did that. It just showed their insecurity about being accepted and it made them look weak and apologetic. A lack of confidence never persuades people.
Yes I want everyone to love my wonderful merciful Jesus but eventually you have to get to the meat of the gospel. There’s the offense. Like Voddie said everyone likes Jesus until you explain who he is. This he gets us jesus sounds like the sissified weak jesus Voddie preaches against. Where is the need for repentance in any of this? This jesus is woke and like with the show The Chosen, it’s better to stay away and get your Jesus from his exclusive unerring word. 🙏
@@johntrevett2944ffering an olive branch in peace is okay in a worldly sense during war but Jesus said I didn’t come to bring peace but a sword, father against son etc. He didn’t sit and eat with sinners to shoot the breeze to see how they were doing. He told them they needed to repent and come to him. My point is if we don’t hear we are wretched sinners that need to repent to a Holy God then the gospel becomes just a moral bandaid because you aren’t that bad. Peace🙏
@@johntrevett2944 I might be misunderstanding you but I am not against grace and mercy. That’s what God extended to me to show me my sin and need for Christ. I’m talking about speaking the truth in love. Jesus was meek and lowly but not at the expense of his truth. He is wonderful and merciful and full of kindness and extends his love to sinners but we have to understand exactly that, we’re undeserving sinners. John 14:6 is what I’m talking about. Preaching the truth because we care but warning there are consequences for spurning it. I hope we can agree we don’t deserve God’s salvation but are forever grateful to him for granting it to us. 🙏
It's not just "He gets us". More importantly, He saves us.
When we repent of our sins. Very little talk of that going on these days.
They should definitely have mentioned that Jesus is the only way of salvation. Thanks.
@@chuckcribbs3398Yes, it’s so rarely mentioned. Thanks for the great point.
Amen
Thank you, men. Is not our proper question, "Do you get who Jesus is?' May we stop looking for something "new" and return to Him who is eternal.
Amen. Let's focus on Jesus. "He gets you" focuses on us!
"Who is Jesus?" would be a far better campaign.
So much biblical goodness here Founder's Ministry. Happy President's Day from NOVA.
Thank you for this. This has strengthened my resolve to keep preaching the gospel and to earnestly contend for the faith.
So many Christians want to water it down and push back against those of us that raise Biblical concerns.
I'm sick of hearing "just be loving" as an attempt to water down the truth.
Thank you for this insightful analysis gentlemen!
"For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek." Romans 1:16. It's only the gospel of Jesus Christ that saves.
I interpreted much of the ‘he gets us’ commercials over the past few months as pro illegal immigration / BLM liberal propaganda. Interesting it’s backed by one of the Hobby Lobby heirs, I was wondering where they got their money. Thanks for making the points you did.
Yes, it was David Green, founder of Hobby Lobby. This money could be used so much better.
@@JamesRiddle_Christ_is_KingWell … but a whole lot of the country is still talking about Jesus because of these commercials. Hopefully, people open their Bible (or get one) and find out more about Jesus. Let’s pray that they come face-to-face with the Gospel, believe it, and learn what you so boldly proclaim in your user name: that Christ is King. 😁 Thanks for the great witness to our Lord and Savior.
@@toddstevens9667 but they don’t. That’s why there are so many false religions
@@krakoosh1 Unfortunately, you are very right. 😞
I've had conversations with others about how Jesus doesn't "get us." He has never said something stupid or hateful and been filled with regret, He has never struggled with indwelling sin, He has never enjoyed the approval of others when compromising God's standard. And it is because of the ways Jesus doesn't get us that He is relevant and valid as Savior and Redeemer. Another issue I have with this campaign and with The Chosen is professing Christians yoking with non-believers in a purported Gospel endeavor. 2 Corinthians 6:14-18 comes to mind.
"Our Master was slaughtered doing God's will. Our Master was slaughtered being the only righteous Man who ever lived. And He calls us to follow Him. We trust Him and follow Him. And if this world slaughtered Jesus then we are duped if we think that we can somehow massage our message, our approach, in a way that will cause the world to love us and acclaim us. And that's not going to happen as long as we preach the message." -Tom Ascol
Revelation 5:9-10, And they sang a new song, saying, "Worthy are You to take the scroll and to open its seals, for You were slain (slaughtered), and by Your blood You ransomed people for God from every tribe and language and people and nation, and You have made them a kingdom and priests to our God, and they shall reign on the earth."
Thank you for talking about this! I'm not completely sure but I have a feeling I saw videos like that on some of the NAR/Word of Faith movement "stuff" I think I came across while watching JUSTIN PETERS MINISTRIES during one of his sermons about the "false prophet propaganda" it looked just like that and may have said the same words " he gets us"
Yes, it was Justin Peters and Tom Buck 3 months ago who did multiple talks and videos addressing the dangerous heretical "he gets us movement" some SBC churches were signing on to this.
I appreciated your thoughts on this. Before watching this video, my only exposure to your ministry was the three videos on Christian Nationalism. They were terrible. When I first saw these commercials, my first thought was that they were saying, “Jesus isn’t a Christian Nationalist.” That might actually be part of the point. Jesus doesn’t care if you’re an illegal immigrant … or a drag queen … or whatever you might be. We’re all just sinners in need of the Gospel. But as I watched this video by Founders, I realized that I was reading more into the commercials than was actually there. There was no Gospel in them at all. The only point seemed to be that Jesus isn’t a right-wing politician, with all the political baggage that seems to go with that. So I very much appreciated this analysis. It was spot-on. I only wished they had analyzed the Christian Nationalist movement with the same diligence. They mentioned Jesus and the Gospel more in this short video than they did in the almost 3 hours of content they posted on Christian Nationalism. I left those videos with the idea that Founders was just some right-wing political movement that had no relevance whatsoever to the Gospel. I guess they just had a bad day that day. But I look forward to more posts from Founders Ministries. Next year’s conference sounds great. Can’t wait for it. Thanks.
The problem has never been Him "getting" us. The problem has been us getting Him. Prior to the gift of regeneration, we don't know who He is and what He's done. Also, the images they select to show the viewer seem to endorse what the culture wants to do rather than endorsing what God wants us to do.
Excellent point
God does not love unconditionally as far as salvific, justificative, and filial love. He very much puts conditions on his love. We really need to watch how we throw around unconditional love.
They also say Jesus was an immigrant so He is like many ..He was fully human but He was the Holy sinless God of the universe. Unbelievers could care less about His Attributes only until the are regenerated and transform can they understand. They could have given the pure gospel message not an attraction to it No fear of God . We are not like Him His ways are not our ways. A waste of God's Money.
The problem with “He Gets Us” and The Chosen is that they get rid of Christ’s divine nature. They focus too much on Him being just a moral teacher; just a nice guy. I guy I work with recommended that I watch The Chosen because, “The Jesus they have is better than the Jesus of the Bible.” So many people like The Chosen because it shows a non-biblical Jesus. The same guy, months later, was trying to tell me that sin is ok because at the final judgement, God’s going to forgive everyone’s sin because He gets us and knows that it’s hard to refuse sin when it’s so pleasing. That guy is Episcopalian and grew up going to church and reading the Bible, so it’s not like he’s someone who has had an experience with hateful Christians, he apostatized because he doesn’t believe God is holy and just. I’ve met others like him, too. The Gospel is already offensive enough; it’s sin for us to make it more offensive. But it’s also sin to try to make it not offensive.
I'm not a big fan of The Chosen and have heard many critiques of it. Could you please provide some evidence that it presents "another Christ, another gospel or heresy?"
@@johntrevett2944 I think the biggest problem is that it’s looking at this from the perspective of this is what Jesus could have said or done from a human perspective, which is putting words in His mouth. Him saying, “Follow your heart,” is blasphemous. God tells us not to follow your heart. Following your heart leads to more sin. What I was getting at, though, is that I’ve heard people say they prefer this Jesus over the Jesus in Bible. They say the one in the Bible is judgemental because He says, “Repent.”
@TheCheeseNinja55 I think most people have a critical spirit which they confuse with discernment. The Chosen has the same Christ as the Bible and tells people to "repent" all over it. "Repent and believe to be precise." In the context of "follow your heart" was he talking to one of his disciples and responding to there heart towards God or an unbeliever in sin that doesn't know Him?
@@johntrevett2944 I believe it was to Nicodemus in what was supposed to parallel John 3, but I don’t fully remember. You are right on the difference between a critical and discerning spirit. When we see that unbelievers who have read the Bible say they prefer the show’s representation of Jesus over the Bible, we need to stop and figure out why that is. The creator, Dallas Jenkins says that his intentions are different than the Bible’s intentions. He wants to portray a Christ that is less than divine. His whole premise is to make Jesus more relatable. Unbelievers are evidently taking this to be a Jesus of their own image. Perhaps the show creators were not ill-intentioned, but they are creating something that unbelievers find more palatable than the Bible, which is very concerning to me.
I am a professional advocate in my business. Starting a presentation from an insecure and defensive posture is never persuasive to hearers.
Are you referring to the commercials or this video from Founders?
@@toddstevens9667 the commercials
@@marshallalbritton9521 since you’re a professional, what did you consider an insecure and defensive posture? I’m am less than an amateur at this sort of thing
@@toddstevens9667 for example, trying to present Jesus in a way that’s palatable to people that don’t like Him. This He Gets Us campaign did that. It just showed their insecurity about being accepted and it made them look weak and apologetic. A lack of confidence never persuades people.
@@marshallalbritton9521 Oh. Ok. I get it. Thanks
Yes I want everyone to love my wonderful merciful Jesus but eventually you have to get to the meat of the gospel. There’s the offense. Like Voddie said everyone likes Jesus until you explain who he is. This he gets us jesus sounds like the sissified weak jesus Voddie preaches against. Where is the need for repentance in any of this? This jesus is woke and like with the show The Chosen, it’s better to stay away and get your Jesus from his exclusive unerring word. 🙏
Jesus always extended an olive branch to sinners. Love, grace and mercy.
@@johntrevett2944ffering an olive branch in peace is okay in a worldly sense during war but Jesus said I didn’t come to bring peace but a sword, father against son etc.
He didn’t sit and eat with sinners to shoot the breeze to see how they were doing. He told them they needed to repent and come to him.
My point is if we don’t hear we are wretched sinners that need to repent to a Holy God then the gospel becomes just a moral bandaid because you aren’t that bad. Peace🙏
@Mary MM Jesus always extended love, grace and mercy to sinners while he was here. We should do the same.
@@johntrevett2944
I might be misunderstanding you but I am not against grace and mercy. That’s what God extended to me to show me my sin and need for Christ. I’m talking about speaking the truth in love.
Jesus was meek and lowly but not at the expense of his truth. He is wonderful and merciful and full of kindness and extends his love to sinners but we have to understand exactly that, we’re undeserving sinners.
John 14:6 is what I’m talking about. Preaching the truth because we care but warning there are consequences for spurning it.
I hope we can agree we don’t deserve God’s salvation but are forever grateful to him for granting it to us. 🙏
@@johntrevett2944 he's also coming with wrath and vengeance. He extends his grace and mercy to those who will believe, to those who are called by him.