Really enjoyed this video. I could relate on multiple levels. I'm an elder in a Baptist church. My wife is one of the pianists. I put together our weekly worship service and our bulletin. We aim to be Biblical in our worship. I'm almost finished your book on Worshiptainment. Only a few things in our order of service that currently are different from the elements outlined in your book. I even took the liberty of intentionally placing the singing of a psalm, slightly paraphrased, into last Sunday's service. I find all of your videos, Matt, informative and encouraging, though as a Baptist I have a few perspectives that differ from yours. Thank you to all three of you.
Didn’t know about the difference in PCA worship styles. Visited a PCA church during Christmas while visiting family ( I’m a Baptist minister) and it was all hymnal singing. My wife and I like your church a lot more with your combination of hymnal and more modern music. Also the sermon was only 15 min long bc of all the catechisms we had to recite. Your sermon was way longer/ better
When it comes to worshiptainment I just wish Presbyterians in general and the PCA specifically would 'reconstruct' an absence of special extrabiblical church calendar celebrations like Christmas, Easter, and Hallowe'en, and reform to a Sunday specific formal corporate worship. Very much needed in my opinion, to recapture a God-hounoring worship along a somewhat flawed regulative principle of worship.
My particular PCA church uses a more "high-church" musical format, with pipe organ and choir, and the vast majority of the congregational songs are rooted from the early reformation era. I never visited any other PCA church before becoming a member. It is an interesting discussion to see how many folks either love it or like it but wished we did more contemporary worship styles. I generally love it, having spent the majority of my life in churches focused on more cutting edge contemporary worship styles. As a semi-pro drummer and sound engineer, I just got tired of the "show". I wanted corporate worship that didn't focus on the talents of a couple gifted musicians or big charismatic mega church preaching and personalities.
Setting Psalms to already known hymns would totally jumble my brain! I'd rather have original tunes. And while I would like to "sing the Psalms", we actually can't. We have no idea what the original tunes were. Part of me wishes we did! But then... people would be arguing over THAT.
We don’t need the original tunes to sing the psalms. Those tunes may not work in different languages. We can set our translations of the psalms to new tunes. We are commanded to sing the psalms, but we have freedom in the tune we use.
@ oh, I’m a bit confused now. You said that you’d like to sing the psalms, but that we can’t actually do that. If you know what i said, then why would you state that we can’t sing them? Thank you for your reply
@@Fhillas I'm not sure what the confusion is. We cannot "sing the Psalms" because we do not have record of the original tunes. This is not my opinion. It's historical fact. We do not know the original melodies. I don't think written musical notation was even invented yet. Even if it was, we no longer have these records. All we can do is sing the (inspired) words according to (uninspired) tunes written later. This also means there's not one authoritative tune for whichever Psalm. People still can write new music for them today. I'm not aware of any biblical prohibition against doing so. What we can't do is hold up whatever modern Psalter we have and say, "This is ONLY the proper tune for Psalm Number __." We also can't say that this is the only type of music to be sung in church services. I'm not aware of any such command or prohibition on non-Psalms in Scripture.
Sigh so many denominations. I’ve read the Bible backward and forward all Christian theological books I can get my hands on, 23 study bibles, every translation. Have only 3 left to read and yet…I can’t find a church or denomination due to so much confusion about this church on this corner teaches this and this one teaches that. Where’s the “teaches just the Bible” denomination? I’m being genuine.
Pastor Everhard, I would like to ask your opinion of having the soloist sing in place that is out of view of the congregation. I have heard that some church do this so that the congregation focuses on the message in the song and not the singer. Phillip L
I'm not Pastor Matt, but this is the internet, so I take it as fair game for anyone to talk to anyone. Never in my life has it even entered my mind to focus on a singer to the point where it's a problem. Nor do I assume anyone was focusing on me that much when I used to sing on stage. By this reasoning, should we also have the pastor speak in a place that is out of view of the congregation, so we focus on the message of the sermon and not the speaker?
@@Beyourbest06 Oh, for goodness' sake. This is what I mean. There's no set rule in God's Word on such things. But people are going to argue about it anyway. It's so unbearably tiresome.
Really enjoyed this video. I could relate on multiple levels. I'm an elder in a Baptist church. My wife is one of the pianists. I put together our weekly worship service and our bulletin. We aim to be Biblical in our worship. I'm almost finished your book on Worshiptainment. Only a few things in our order of service that currently are different from the elements outlined in your book. I even took the liberty of intentionally placing the singing of a psalm, slightly paraphrased, into last Sunday's service. I find all of your videos, Matt, informative and encouraging, though as a Baptist I have a few perspectives that differ from yours. Thank you to all three of you.
Trinity Psalter Hymnal has an app. The app links to tunes for every hymn and psalm in the hymnal.
It’s a great resource !
Thank you for this, Matt. Looking forward to checking out the PresbyGirls.
Didn’t know about the difference in PCA worship styles. Visited a PCA church during Christmas while visiting family ( I’m a Baptist minister) and it was all hymnal singing. My wife and I like your church a lot more with your combination of hymnal and more modern music. Also the sermon was only 15 min long bc of all the catechisms we had to recite. Your sermon was way longer/ better
I’m curious! Why do you like hymn + modern singing over just hymn singing? Such a preference seems rare 😮
Our CREC church has the full liturgy and a full sermon. Nobody seems to mind spending 1 hour and 40 minutes at the throne.
When it comes to worshiptainment I just wish Presbyterians in general and the PCA specifically would 'reconstruct' an absence of special extrabiblical church calendar celebrations like Christmas, Easter, and Hallowe'en, and reform to a Sunday specific formal corporate worship. Very much needed in my opinion, to recapture a God-hounoring worship along a somewhat flawed regulative principle of worship.
All good. Just a thought, the phrase "a cappella" means 'from the Chapel', e.g. to sing as they do in church (without musical accompaniment).
My particular PCA church uses a more "high-church" musical format, with pipe organ and choir, and the vast majority of the congregational songs are rooted from the early reformation era. I never visited any other PCA church before becoming a member. It is an interesting discussion to see how many folks either love it or like it but wished we did more contemporary worship styles. I generally love it, having spent the majority of my life in churches focused on more cutting edge contemporary worship styles. As a semi-pro drummer and sound engineer, I just got tired of the "show". I wanted corporate worship that didn't focus on the talents of a couple gifted musicians or big charismatic mega church preaching and personalities.
Is there a link to their channel?
Setting Psalms to already known hymns would totally jumble my brain! I'd rather have original tunes. And while I would like to "sing the Psalms", we actually can't. We have no idea what the original tunes were. Part of me wishes we did! But then... people would be arguing over THAT.
We don’t need the original tunes to sing the psalms. Those tunes may not work in different languages. We can set our translations of the psalms to new tunes. We are commanded to sing the psalms, but we have freedom in the tune we use.
@@Fhillas I know that.
@ oh, I’m a bit confused now. You said that you’d like to sing the psalms, but that we can’t actually do that. If you know what i said, then why would you state that we can’t sing them? Thank you for your reply
@@Fhillas I'm not sure what the confusion is. We cannot "sing the Psalms" because we do not have record of the original tunes. This is not my opinion. It's historical fact. We do not know the original melodies. I don't think written musical notation was even invented yet. Even if it was, we no longer have these records.
All we can do is sing the (inspired) words according to (uninspired) tunes written later. This also means there's not one authoritative tune for whichever Psalm. People still can write new music for them today. I'm not aware of any biblical prohibition against doing so.
What we can't do is hold up whatever modern Psalter we have and say, "This is ONLY the proper tune for Psalm Number __."
We also can't say that this is the only type of music to be sung in church services. I'm not aware of any such command or prohibition on non-Psalms in Scripture.
@@Yesica1993you’re ignorant and arrogant
Sigh so many denominations. I’ve read the Bible backward and forward all Christian theological books I can get my hands on, 23 study bibles, every translation. Have only 3 left to read and yet…I can’t find a church or denomination due to so much confusion about this church on this corner teaches this and this one teaches that. Where’s the “teaches just the Bible” denomination? I’m being genuine.
Pastor Everhard,
I would like to ask your opinion of having the soloist sing in place that is out of view of the congregation. I have heard that some church do this so that the congregation focuses on the message in the song and not the singer.
Phillip L
I'm not Pastor Matt, but this is the internet, so I take it as fair game for anyone to talk to anyone. Never in my life has it even entered my mind to focus on a singer to the point where it's a problem. Nor do I assume anyone was focusing on me that much when I used to sing on stage. By this reasoning, should we also have the pastor speak in a place that is out of view of the congregation, so we focus on the message of the sermon and not the speaker?
Why are you having a soloist? No. The whole congregation sings the psalm together in the congregation
@@Beyourbest06 Oh, for goodness' sake. This is what I mean. There's no set rule in God's Word on such things. But people are going to argue about it anyway. It's so unbearably tiresome.
@@Beyourbest06
That is a very good point. Thankyou
Thanks for sharing. This was a very good chat with some good laughs too. Hope it's OK the 1689 shares it with his wife. 👋
Just a side: you're interviewing these two women, why do you have to constantly bring up they husbands? You can interview them later if you want.