FIRST TIME WATCHING: American History X (1998) REACTION (Movie Commentary) REUPLOAD
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Norton REALLY should have gotten an Oscar for this performance.
Considering how controversial this was, it's a wonder he even got a nomination. Normally, I wouldn't expect the Academy to touch a movie like this with a 10 foot pole.
Absolutely
Awards mean absolutely nothing.
Yup!
Yep!
Between this and Fight Club, Edward Norton crushed the 90's. Very powerful films.
Agreed
Have you seen “The 25th hour?” Amazing movie with Edward Norton.
@@mzliz1249 will have to check this one out thanks.
@@mzliz1249 one of my top 3 for Edward Norton !!!
Death to smoochy!
This movie is supposed to make you uncomfortable, it's the whole point.
Yeah finally showed the other side that’s what I liked
truth. sometimes you have to show the ugly side of things to make ppl realize how bad it is.
Some of it is hard to watch whether you are black or white but a great movie with great acting and just shows how racism is bullshit. We are all the HUMAN RACE. We all bleed the same color and all need the same things. Food, clothing, shelter and most important of all - Love and respect for fellow human beings trying to survive on this planet. Some people are born and raised into a certain ways of thinking and don't know any better... Sad ending. I feel blessed to have grown up and went to school with people from all races and cultures in Canada. Many friends from different backgrounds/upbringings and cultures. I was the one that stuck out like a sore thumb, even as a young adult. The only "white boy" at the party (Even though I'm a crazy mixture lol) in bars and clubs packed shoulder to shoulder with black people/brown people/Jamaican/Caribbean/Dominican/African/Australian/Inuit/Native North American/Native South American/Cambodian/Philipino/ Chinese/Japanese/Korean/Russian/Ukrainian/Polish/Irish/Scottish etc, etc and all kinds of mixtures of everything in between all my life and from all different denominations of religion's ❤️
If you're black and no longer the bully it must suck
yeah, I showed this movie to my parents and as uncomfortable as it was by the time the movie ended they both expressed how powerful this movie was. It's like the most appropriate, inappropriate movie because in the end it has a good message.
“Hate is baggage. Life is to short to be pissed off all the time.” Best line of the movie. A lot of people haven’t watched this and it shows
Absolutely!!! When you give it up you become super happy bc it feels like a huge weight is no longer weighing you down. I'm so happy people prolly think I'm fake, but if they knew me before they would know it's authentic.
Bababooey
Ooo edgy
Hate is a mental disease like addiction and obesity !
Such an amazing line
The way the black kid that murdered Danny is just in an early phase of the exact same cycle of violence that Derek went through.
Exactly, that is what most people failed to see.
so does Derek go back to hating black people now?
Moral of the story: Never relax.
Danny let go of the hate, and as a result let his guard down.
You saw glimpses of an older mentor directing the young shooters anger into hateful action.
Derek didn’t kill some random innocent kid though 🤔
The kid that killed Danny at the end lives in the exact same hateful mindset as Danny ! also the guy who got curb stomped, he was one of the guys they beat in bball . he came back for revenge ! this movies about so much more than skinheads .. many fail to notice that ! .
Right. It was about the cycle of hate. White on black, black on white. It doesn't matter, hate destroys all.
@@shaquanjamison8161 Except Black on white is 10x more. Black on Asian is crime is more, Black on Hispanic crime is more. Once the political climate changes this needs to be addressed.
The cycle continues😥
No you assume
@@PentaRausAn uncomfortable truth
If Edward Norton can make me believe everything else his character did in this film, I can believe he dunked a basketball once too.
I'm probably an inch shorter than Norton, and I could dunk. HOWEVER, reverse dunk... I'm not buying that.
Honestly, some times I think Edward wasn´t acting in this movie 😬
@@birch5757 In a game? I was a 6 foot 2 white guy and I could barely dunk on 9 and 1/2 foot rim with noone around.
@@Mark-fr7yv I did it literally one time in a pick up game. It's worth mentioning I ran track and my 2 best events were the 400 and the long jump, so there was a window there when I could really get up.
I think he did play ball for real back in high school.
One of the most terrifying movies I have ever watched. The acting from all was stellar. Mr. Norton should have received an Oscar.
watch shindler list
He got snubbed like the lady who played the mom in requiem for a dream. Hollywood rarely awards anything worth the awards anymore lol
This movie holds no punches, its incredible!
This movie is just j00ish p0rn. A white supremacist getting buttgraped in the prison showers. And then he completely abandons his way of thinking just because a bleep says hello to him. Ridiculous. A much better film when you turn it off halfway through.
@@andreprefontaine3824great piece of fiction I agree.
When him and the black inmate laughed for the first time, I felt that.
And if you think back to when "derek" played basketball with black guys without realizing the potential camaraderie and missed friendships... he didn't learn then.
he had to go through actual HELL until he realized that he was wrong and his whole world view was wrong.
Amazing movie!
@@DurdenTyler21 why the quotations? Derek is his name lol
@@sevengramrocks2746It’s what you do when it’s a character’s name. Don’t blame me. That’s the English language. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@wallismeza8282yed that part spoke volumes
@@brianpearson7345I was just answering the question. God forbid, people should be educated. If people were educated, we wouldn’t have such people. Now that speaks volumes.
The 90's was an incredible decade for movies and music.
Second this. Iconic stuff.
Absolutely 💯
True
Oh by miles today
I was just talking to my wife about how good the 90s music is
This was a brave move for all involved. It walked a knife edge where a misstep could have ended careers. Avery Brooks has the most important line “Has anything that you have done made your life better?”
That is a life turning question when in the throes of that hate and depression.
It's a stunner.
Misstep could have ended careers?
You got a remember when this movie was made it’s not like it is now with all this cancel anybody who does something you don’t like
@@ryanssten731 yeah, I remember.. that's partially why I asked, because back then we didn't have to walk quite as much on eggshells. i miss those days when art was more honest
This was back in the day when we had the freedom to make the art we thought was important. Not today.
Honestly one of the best movies ever made, perfectly acted all around, the plot, the imagery, all just so well done and so important to see
Just watched it and was watching clips of it on shorts and saw hundreds of people talking about how Derek was actually right being a white supremacist the whole time and his brother getting shit at the end proves it. They misunderstood the message. Now I’m disturbed
this is probably one of the most important American movies. The cycle of hatred is perpetuated through generations and only breeds more hate. This is a dark and uncomfortable subject but one that we cannot ignore or pretend doesn't exist. It must be confronted and I think this film does that in a powerful way.
One interesting fact about the making of this film is the director wanting an ending of Derek shaving his head in the mirror after Danny is killed, implying he descends back into his worldview of bigotry and hatred. Edward Norton felt strongly that was not what the ending should be, and ended up going to the studio over it and won the argument, the director has basically disowned the film because of it. But I think Norton was right. IMO the message of this movie is, people are never going to change. But a person can change, and the better angels of our nature can ultimately prevail. But the fight will never be "won," we are always going to have this darkness in us and we must be conscious of it and strive to not let it overtake us. What happened in Nazi Germany is an example of when that battle is lost on a big scale.
I think the film does a great job of showing how these seeds are planted. We see Derek as this monster for much of the film but only near the end do we see that no, he wasn't always like this. In fact he was nothing like this. But his father planted the seeds and then a horrible occurrence (his father being killed on the job) sent him into a spiral, then he went on to plant the seeds in his brother and others.
Norton gives a pretty incredible performance in this. I honestly can't think of a better performance in any film. He is absolutely terrifying but charismatic and then we see his character completely broken down and start to be put back together.
Yeah, the director's reaction was wild. His whole message seemed to be that people don't change, either can't and won't, which I think is damn foolish. People change all the time, and people can make dramatic changes, especially when going through trauma. Comparing the original script to what we got, I think Norton saved this film. It's arguably his finest work.
You articulated this so much better than I did.
The ending was perfect. It showed someone changing but also the consequences of their actions.
Bingo, and perfectly articulated. The film turned out to be a nice classical tragedy-Derek changes his mindset in large part because, like Danny, he realizes hatred is just needless baggage, and he wants to protect his family, and especially Danny, from the consequences. But by the time he's able to get Danny's head right, it's already too late, and because of Derek's skinhead influence his greatest fear has already been set in motion. It's a form of storytelling that's worked for thousands of years across radically different cultures. Tony Kaye's original ending, by contrast, would have been *_repulsively_* cynical. He wrote an interesting article for The Guardian called "Losing It" about the film, and it's very interesting for a number of reasons, not the least of which is that even Kaye still has no idea what his original vision was:
_"Whenever I argued with Norton, I didn't have a leg to stand on. He could wipe the floor with me because he's a great articulator. My problem all through American History X was that I could never tell anyone what I wanted to do with the film. Sometimes I didn't even know myself. More often, I was so intimidated by the process that I went into meltdown if I wasn't left alone to work things out. Of course, if you actually listened to what Norton was saying, you could hear that none of it made sense in film-making terms: that's not his forte, as you'll know if you saw the movie that he directed, Keeping the Faith. 'Pretty fucking awful' hardly covers that one."_
It's pretty ballsy of him to accuse Norton's cut of "not making sense" in the same paragraph he admits he didn't know what he was trying to say with his own ending, and that he couldn't counter Norton's logic. Never mind the fact that, again, the tragedy form has worked for thousands of years, and Kaye doesn't explain what about the film doesn't make sense. He just says it as if it's a given, obvious to everyone. You get the idea that Kaye isn't being intentionally dishonest, just a bit deluded. A talented but strange man, certainly.
@@je7055 agreed.. Kaye wanted to cut the flashback scene of Norton and his father at the dinner table... IMO the most crucial scene of the whole film
I think Kaye did a great job directing it but I don't think he had a clear vision of what this film was trying to say, as he admits. It's a shame how he went to war with Norton over it and destroyed his career. I just can't understand what he wanted, as you say his cut was so oppressive cynical, if you really have that view of the subject then what's the point in even making a film about it? It's pure nihilism.
I will say to his credit in later interviews Kaye has said he was caught up in his own ego as a creative and he was in the wrong
That's nonsense, do you have any idea how insignificant so called White supremacy is ? It's not even a blip on the radar compared to others
Best line. “Has anything you’ve done made your life better?”
Well, being not racist got them killed, so yeah.
Nope...
But it made me extremely fearce and dangerous. Carved me into a natural born leader. A King amoungst kings😤
I hit the same reality in my life once. That's where it all changed for him.
Thats the question bad people fear
I misquoted that line
The range Norton had to command to play this role was extraordinary and once in a lifetime. He deserved AT LEAST an Oscar nomination, but probably the win (although I can’t remember who won that year). He was absolutely incredible in this role and this movie will always be an outstanding one.
Titanic came out in the same year it did. OOF
They didn’t want to condone violence I’m sure that was the reason. Yet look at what they condone now. Disgusting and pathetic.
Roberto Bengini for some crappy movie won. It was the 1999 Oscars and Norton was nominated along with Nolte for Affliction, Hanks for Saving Private Ryan, and some other dude.
1999 Oscars for 1998 movies
@@ste-ce1977 Dang. Norton AND Hanks were robbed!
This movie should be shown in schools. It's so powerful
Probably not a great idea since it implies he may descend back into the world of hatred which is why they changed the ending.
Too bad in some states (I won't name them, but I'm sure you can figure it out) they'd probably ban it from being shown because it might hurt white kids' feelings or whatever bologna excuse they use now.
@@yulewave1 but that's what matters, is that they changed the ending to a better ending. Sad, but hopeful.
We actually saw it in school.
It should be..but to many people would be instantly " triggered" before even allowing the message of the film to get across..
I was 18 when this came out. Seen it a couple of times since. Still makes a huge emotional & thoughtful impact to this day. Its a movie that just hits ya deep.
I was 8, and watched with 12.
This black and white thing must end
@TheDrJotta until we stop seeing people for their color and not their character it will never end.
@@nateworthy530 So much harder with the way people think of it these days. I was told not seeing skin colour was racist. Where I always treat people based on WHO they are, not what colour they are.
Racism is taught. And it's taught by all races. In some circles more than others.
Don't forget how absolutely easily learned it is compared to genuine empathy. Hate takes a comment from a parent, love takes a lifetime of stepping outside of yourself.
Not all the time. It's also learned through experience and observation.
The curb stomp scene is the most terrifying scene in any movie i've ever seen. I couldn't believe it when I first saw it.
Yep. Súper intense
Completely
It is the single reason that I've never actually wathed the entire movie, even though it came out in my teens.
I audibly gasped and flinched incredibly hard. i’ll never forget it
It's perfect.
The sound of the teeth scraping on the sidewalk before Derek stomps on the guys head will forever remain in my brain. That scene scared the crap out of me when I watched it as a teen.
They scrubbed that scene everywhere. That's why you don't see anybody react to it specifically.
absolutely the same feeling
@@omilettwhat are you saying? Scrubbed I’m confused that’s all about it’s meaning
@@Dont-tase-me-bro Scrubbed = deleted / removed.
That scared you? Why? Its not a ghost.
This movie is a vital part of modern cinema. The story. The cinematographer. The dialogue. Every one needs to see it at least once...
This movie was so ahead of its time. A masterpiece.
They would never make a movie like that today. They are going there absolute hardest to divide us today than back in the 90s
@@theyfearme1379 no cuz everyone is fucking to easy offend by put a fucking racist mark on everything but in the 90s you still cold joke about everything as now you can't and do what you wanted to as movie or not world become worse and worse
@@Luciferhell5 That's true too, but so is what I said
@@theyfearme1379 yes it is
It only feels that way because society has gone backwards in the last decade or so.
This is an amazing movie. That final scene with Derrick and Danny is very hard to watch without shedding a tear or 2. I think this is a must watch for everybody.
That coupled with the scene when they are young boys gets me every time
They almost cut that scene out of the movie to have Danny die off screen and Derrek going back to his gang.
Thank god they didnt
I wouldn't recommend this for anyone under 12 or 13, it has alot of adult themes and extreme violence. Just saying!
@@chrisfreimiller4878 I’m assuming you mean the one where Norton is by himself at home? Lol
@@williamswiniuch7527 the prison shower scene
Edward Norton really put his heart and soul into this performance, it's one of the best redemption stories I've ever seen in a film.
Apparently the script had Derek reverting to his old ways after Danny’s death, but Norton refused…best film decision ever
That would have ruined the movie for me
@@ikhoonyejelem2967 same here
The ending pretty much justified his hate all along. They took his neighborhood, his dad, his brother, broke into his property, assaulted him on the court because they were losing etc. Hate isn't always taught. Sometimes it's learned through experience.
@@Vandymeer23
If it is powerful *either* way, then how is "Norton's way" powerful?
Because, what you have here is a clash of 2 different cultures under the guise of 2 different races; as in, "black culture vs. white culture" AND "the black culture" exist only because "the white culture" allows it to exist.
So, and I am genuinely curious, how exactly is "Norton's way" as powerful as "No! Segregation, all the way!", when faced with a culture wich refuses to adapt to other culture(s)?
That's not quite true. The scene was supposed to symbolize Derrick fulfilling his deal with Sweeny and going back to the Nazis to infiltrate them and gather material against them. Danny's death would have made them believe he was back to "the cause".
But Edward Norton was afraid that the audience would misunderstand the scene and believe that he would go back because he slips back into the scene after Danny's death and as you can see from your comment and many other comments like yours among other reaction videos to this movie, which also refer to this other ending, Norton was right.
Over the course of my life, I've pretty much lived this movie.
Not quite murder, and not quite prison.
But, the lessons were the same.
Hate is not inherent.
It is taught.
Anger is not an emotion.
It is a reaction, to fear, or pain.
Be good to each other.
We are all we have.
"Hate is not inherent. It is taught."
Except it's taught through life experiences a lot more than someone telling you so and I'm pretty sure you were trying to say it was the latter.
@@jongordon7914 agreed.
But, when you are young, and lack life experience, you tend to draw from what you are told.
@@Mr.Schitzengigglez Unfortunately, people often mistake fact-based caution, for hatred. A girl being told to be cautious around men or groups of men, is not based on hate but statistical probabilities. The same could be said for White people being told to be cautious around Black people, as Black people are about 9X more likely to commit a violent crime against White people than White people are to commit against Black people. It's not hatred, just self-preservation.
@@jongordon7914 my situation was, that I grew up in a black neighborhood, as a young white child, with a family who had espoused some serious racist undertones.
I saw a lot of hate, and love,from both sides.
I was left in the middle, to sort it all out.
At this point, it's all bullshit.
Just love your neighbor.
They probably cook some bomb ass food.
Which, is about the greatest thing in this life
@@Mr.Schitzengigglez And my situation was that I grew up in an almost entirely White neighborhood, went to almost entirely White schools, went to mixed schools and also got bussed to entirely Black schools, and saw just how violent and racially intolerant Black people were towards every race, ethnicity and foreigner. The extent of White racism consisted of jokes, slurs and avoiding Black people and feeling a sense of guilt for being that way. The extent of Black racism consisted of ganging up on White and Asian kids and robbing them or violently assaulting them and not feeling a single ounce of guilt or remorse.
This movie, and reactions to it, is a PERFECT microcosm of racism in the 21st century. Almost all of the violence and racism in this movie was committed by Black people, from beginning to end and yet the comments are always filled with apologetic White people and angry Black people, condemning the miniscule amount of White racism and completely ignoring the Black racism.
The Black Racism/Violence: In the beginning the Black racists throw a White kid to the bathroom floor, kick him in the stomach, and then offer him a hand to get up and kick him in the stomach again. At that moment, Edward Furlong's character (Danny) comes out of the bathroom and is just standing there when Little Henry approaches him and racially threatens him. Danny never says a word to them. Then at the Basketball game, there are Black and White guys playing on each other's team, but the Black guy is the only one to throw out any racial slurs. The White guys use racial slurs in private. After the Black guys lost the game, they go to Derek's family' house in the middle of the night and rob his family at gunpoint and try to steal Derek's father's truck. Derek's dead firefighting father that was killed while putting out a fire in a Black neighborhood. Little Henry is seen throughout the movie stalking Danny and ultimately murders him at the end.
The White Racism/Violence: The violent attack of the immigrants at the grocery store and the rampant vandalism of the store.
Everyone praises Norton but the rest of the cast was also amazing. Stacy Keach as Cameron is slimy yet dangerous at the same time. Fairuza Balk is fantastically crazy. And his friend in the laundry (can't remember the actor's name) is a perfect blend of hilarious and powerful. His mum is devastating. And so on.😊
Beverly D'Angelo too.
Guy Torrey
Seeing Stacey Keach and Beverly D’Angelo in light-hearted comedic roles really throws you for a loop after this
I saw an interview with Edward Norton where he said he was hesitant to take this role because of how extreme it was but his manager (I think it was) convinced him because if he did this movie he would never be able to be typecast since this was so remarkably different to anything he had done before.
nORTON JUST MORPHS INTO HIS ROLES. he morphs so much he looks like a different person in each movie.
And so many would say Tom Hanks is the best ever. Norton always proves he is just as good or better. Personaly I will watch anything with Norton before any Forrest Gump.
lol Morphs into his roles he even became a hulk and a really good one at that
The story I heard about the ending of Danny Vinyard being shot and killed.
The shooter is prospect Crip gang member Little Henry (played by Jason Bose Smith) . He is the little brother of Lamont (the Crip played by Antonio David Lyons) that Derek Vinyard curb stomped in the beginning.
From what I've read, the shooting of Danny was initiated by the Crips and as Little Henry's initiation to the Crips and as a plot to get revenge on the Vinyard Family for the killing of Little Henry's brother Lawrence.
In an early draft in the film, Little Henry seemed to be hesitant to kill Danny, who tried to take the gun from Little Henry, but he then shoots him.
I made sure that my kids watched this movie (as teenagers not when they were very young) and it impacted them in the best way, I'm so proud of them, they are very kind, caring and loving young adults
I watched this with my own 2 sons as well as the movie Mississippi Burning. I wanted them to fully understand how racism and ideas like this are so wrong and how your peers can lead you down the wrong path. It was a powerful lesson for my kids to learn and now that they are adults I know it impacted them significantly. Parents need to have these difficult conversations with their children.
@@michellejames9969 well i was hateful as fuck 2 years ago from i was 13-15 I'm 35 now my becoming wife learn me to not be that hateful cuz she brought the light in my life and open up my heart to think more about not hat it take so much energy and i watch this movie when i was younger i didn't feel nothing i loved the boots scene stamp on the head well i guess i was to hateful back then but yes everyone can change i guess in time
@@Luciferhell5 I think it’s so honorable that your credit your wife so lovingly that she has brought light into your life and showed you some compassion. She truly loves you and you for her to have this impact. Everyone responds to movies in a different way, I watched it with my own sons explaining the movie to them so they would understand. It may have impacted you differently as a teen if you had someone who was watching it with you in the compassionate manner of your wife. But I believe everything happens for a reason and you two together, she has brought a balance into your life you may not have had. Either way, it’s still an impactful important movie that should be watched and hopefully understood in the lessons it tries to teach. 🥰
@@michellejames9969 yes i agree with you and thank you so much well she really made me to a better human and yes this movie is really important it have everything you need to know about hate love family and death and we'll yes of course all movie has different impact on people like some get scared by horror movies and some cry to sad things in movies and yes my wife sould have alot more than credits by this words i have text here but there is nothing in this world that is that much worth for how happy and grateful i am by she get that deep inside of my heart and make me really see how stupid and worthless hate is in life ☺️
@@michellejames9969 It's only a proper lesson if you made them aware of all the overt Black racism in this movie as well. But I imagine if you were murdered by Black people while trying to put out a fire in their neighborhood and Black people then tried to rob your wife and your kids in the middle of the night at gunpoint because your kids beat them in a basketball game, it wouldn't be unexpected that your kids would hold a bit of a grudge as they got older.
"I don't know what's more unbelievable -- them winning or Edward Norton dunking."
That may be the only time I laughed out loud watching a reaction video.
I'm white and grew up in the hood and would regularly clown black people in sports. We exist.
You're very brave watching this. I loved watching your take on it. Your bias clearly shows, but I don't blame you. That's what this movie is made to bring out. Thanks for your content!
Danny's death at the end of this still guts me man. Living and learning isn't enough. Sometimes death is the price.
I love the nod to Kubrick
The most distracting part of that scene for me was Danny dropping the homework assignment when he falls, but is holding it when he dies.
Yeah what I got from this movie..... Doesn't matter if you have a change of heart this world is fucked up and never let your guard down. Doesn't matter if you're nice. Others aren't!
@@TheDkb427 That's what you got from this movie?
to me that kind of ruins the whole movie... the black kid kills him in cold blood, for what? Cause he blew smoke in his face? Kind of reinforces the whole "this is why we hate blacks" message the entire movie was trying to erase lol
Thanks for the reaction...I know this film is difficult for many people to watch, but I feel that it teaches all of us to learn and accept people from different backgrounds.
I got a very different impression from this movie. At The end the boy gets murdered and cold blood by somebody who hated him. The hate will continue and it In real life it certainly Did. I view this as more of a tragedy where each side has made valid points that cannot coexist, not dissimilar from our political issues toda
@@cheyenne11114i agree. Its about the cycle of hatred. A black killed their firefighter dad. He joins the white supremacists and kills blacks. His brother idolizes him and follows his path. The black kod kills him. The black who killed theor father set future events in motion that ruined many lives, white and black included.
I was 20 when this movie came out in 1998 and the curbing scene was some of the most BRUTAL scenes I've EVER SEEN in a movie!
"Hate is baggage." Great line. It's true. The irony is, hate mostly hurts the hater. My belief? Hate and logic cannot coexist. Great movie. Great reaction. As far as Edward Norton goes, he's an awesome actor. It's amazing how jacked he got for this role, and . . . the dunk was ridiculous! LOL!!! 🏀
If one lesson to learn from the ending of this movie is that Hate attracts Hate! The Hate you give comes right back to you! May take a while, but it always catches up with you!
It's like eating poison and expecting the one you hate to get sick.
Irony that whites can change ... blacks still shooting
In a deleted scene, Lamont (Derek's friend) goes into the showers and finds him laying on the floor unconscious, Lamont freaks out, picks him up like nothing and he's likely the person that gets him to the medical facility. I actually like how the final movie left out a LOT of scenes, leaves a lot to the imagination.
They also left out the part where Derek calls him the n word and threatens him when they first meet. I feel like both scenes added more to their dynamic and should’ve been left in
Bro this is one of my favorite movies of all time! It’s a powerful movie! When he looks in the mirror in the bathroom and puts his hand over his chest tattoo and realizing all the time he wasted being so angry and hateful! Also him realizing that he’s led his brother down the same awful path is super impactful!
Great reaction and thanks for the re-upload. Powerful movie! Edward Norton is fantastic.
dang i thought ive been here before :D nice thumbnail
I like the way this movie conveys the point that people hating each other is wrong. It tells the story from the side of Dereck and his family, but overall it shows that hate from any side is bad. And what's amazing is that this movie is 25 years old but not only does everything in it still resonate to this day, but so many people in modern day who seem to think they're standing for "social justice" are just making the same kinds of mistakes Dereck made - especially when they pay attention to the politicians and so-called "community leaders" who play us all against each other for their own benefit. The whole point of this movie is something we need to understand as a society - we're always going to be aware of the differences between us, and rightly so. We're not supposed to all be exactly the same. But until we learn to collectively approach those differences with fairness and respect, we're just going to perpetuate this kind of cycle.
One of the best stories about redemption ever put to film. To see someone come back from what Norton was is powerful. You can let go of hate, but it's up to you.
Too bad the 13% dont let go of it because they keep killing and hurting people, including Danny's dad the firefighter.
One the most important movies ever made. I'll never forget the impact it had on me the first time I watched it. All teens should have to watch this in school.
This is a powerful movie and really sad. It shows how intense hatred can go full circle too. It never ends. This is why our most honored people in our history are non violent.
Yep is very powerful and important also sad.
I grew up with a dad very similar to the one in this movie, he was my hero as a kid and I looked up to him immensely as did many in our community. Behind closed doors he raised me to believe that there would be a race war eventually I’d have to fight in.
I’d like to think I would have seen the light eventually, but I was also discovering punk rock in the early to mid 90’s and I was listening to a band called Black Flag. They have a song called “white minority” and even though I had listened to this song 50 times before, combined with what I was doing and listening to the lyrics, realizing that they were sarcastically written, it opened up my eyes. I realized that the shit he said to me had no place in reality. I ended up leaving a few months later 13 and grew up without a father figure for the rest of my life. We saw each other twice until he died alone 28 years later.
This shit is taught and it can be untaught quickly and it’s being taught not only by the usual characters, nobody who knew him would have expected my dad to have those ideals. After he died I was shocked to learn that he hated trump, but that was mostly because of how he spoke about veterans
Of everything I have ever seen, that curb stomp is still the hardest thing to watch🥺 even when you know it's coming.
You would think that after 25 years it would lose some impact. But it never does. It's almost like watching it fresh every time😭😰
As a white person who’s 59… I have never seen or met anyone who professed to be a Nazi sympathizer or white supremacist… I was probably 20 before I ever met a black person.. ..I’m from northern Minnesota.. I still don’t think there are any black people around where I grew up… on the iron range.. there are mostly white and a minority of native Americans in pockets here and there.. I just seems odd that anyone focuses on race.. I never thought about it. Nobody I know ever thought about it
Move to Atlanta for a few years and see how ya feel
Yes. That is a side effect of living in a racially/culturally homogeneous society. An introduction of other cultures into your society will shift your view, regardless of your (dis)approval of those cultures.
And when those cultures are accompanied by different races, then the target of your (dis)approval becomes even more clear.
Don't look now, but you are being genocided. I'm close to you age & have learned the importance of maintaining your culture, your heritage, which includes your DNA. I hate no one, but am awake to the reality that the propaganda, such as is presented in this film is intended to get us to surrender those things, and thereby, go extinct as a people. Those who realize this yet embrace multiculturalism are sick and evil people.
Well you lived on opposite sides of the tracks that’s why I’ve grown to hate everyone equally growing up in a ghetto crackheads, hustlers and killers are all the same no matter the color race only matters in prison
In Belgium this movie is a mandatory one to watch in schools... It's mind-boggling to me that it isn't in the USA. And that you only see this when you're a grown-up.
Ed Norton should have got an Oscar for this
I truly believe this movie should be part of every high school curriculum. It's message is so powerful and so imortant.
It's a movie, not a documentary.
@Kunt5113 ...yes, I know. You never watched a movie in class?
@@Tonymarony5113doesn’t make it less effective in bringing a point across.
@larrygarcia6356 What I'm pointing out is that a lot of people look at this as factual. Ot isn't at the bare minimum. There have been some poetic liberties taken. If you want to educate children, use a documentary so everything is real. The creators of this movie have an agenda.
@@Tonymarony5113 agenda or not, this is very real. Doesn’t make that much of a difference if it’s set in a documentary style. Plus I can relate to it. That’s how it’s effective.
That feeling you got while watching the curb stomp, that doesnt go away. That feeling hits everytime
I'm very glad you saw that "hate" is never one-sided!!
Being someone that grew up with a dad similar to Derek, this movie really hit hard for me. The man I looked up most to in the world would regularly spout off hateful things off the cuff. Luckily I had solid brown and black friends to show me love. Not for nothing, those people saved me.
I appreciate so much you sharing your reaction to this movie. This movie means a lot to me and I'm glad to have your perspective on it. Thank you!
It's been a while since I saw this movie but it still hits as hard as it did then. It's extremely powerful, poignant, and still carries relevancy to today.
I was a 15 year old skin in 1998 and this movie saved my life.
First I was a "fresh crop" for 8 or 9 months and there was no racism. Just work ethic, nationalism and image of strength and self reliance.
I had the boots, the braces, the perry ellis polo and my bomber with orange lining. The music and drinking was all part of the ego.
The day I was "beat in" by taking lumps for a minute and becoming a full skin, they started with the actual racism.
So this same day me and about 5 or 6 of my skin friends are sitting downtown in Halifax at a local park drinking those big colt45 bottles and they start trying to give me lies about the holocaust. A clean cut black guy in a clean business suit with a breifcase comes walking by on a pathway near to where we were drinking.
One of them says "Oh look, it's one of our favourites, we should jump him"...
We didn't because we were just asshole teens and never did anything like that while I was with them at least.
Anyhow - I remember thinking, "so the black dude looks respectful and is doing well for himself... and I'm sitting here with a gang or racist idiots talking about commiting a hate crime..."
So getting "beat" into the gang, must have knocked some sense into me. Also at the time there was two major high schools in the inner city next to each other. One had more of the black community than the other despite being within 2 blocks of eachother. ..
Basically - my name is Derek and I was a skin at the time and I saw this movie and didn't want to get shot by one of the gangster kids because I was running with a crowd of racist assholes.
It really is an identity group/cult that preys on peoples emotions. For me it was initially about being part of a group, having an "identity" and being proud of my country. The punk rock shows and drinking was all part of it....
Anyways - i stopped hanging with them, grew my hair back to normal, learned to play guitar and got a hot highschool girlfriend.
Lesson - identity politics are bad news bears.❤
God bless you man and congratulations on being able to think for yourself and change....that's huge💪🏽🙏🏼.
@@shaunkeating9288 Bless. 🙏💯
I can only imagine how much better your life is now than it would have been. When we’re young we are easily impressionable. Adults know this and take advantage of it. Glad you made it out of that.. safely.
yah right. sure buddy.
You opened your eyes to the real truth. Never let other people mentally enslave you through hate.
The most gifted most underated actor in the history of film..
This movie was very hard to watch, and yet left us with a positive message to take from it.
One of my all time top 25 films .
I say this on every reaction to this movie--this should be required watching for every teenager. It may not be for everybody visually, but the message is absolutely for everyone, and the message doesn't sink in without the imagery that accompanies it.
I'd say this movie isn't very school friendly. Teachers would have to skip like half the movie. Nor do I think some parents would sign off on it. I mean, my parents let me watch this, and whatever else I wanted but I know of lots of people whose parents wouldn't let them watch anything like this even as teens. I honestly don't understand why
The level of violence and the way teens are today with just saying gamer words for shock value doesn't really match up well imo lol
I watched this movie a million times. During one of my first classes at the university, the teacher actually said go watch this movie. There is so much to learn from it by seeing how little by little ones perspective can get so fucked up. One of my favorite movies of all time with a timeless message ...
This is one of the heaviest movies you'll ever see. Norton hit a homerun with this performance and if you hear him talk about it he says it was one of the most difficult roles he's ever played. It's easy to see why. Great movie.
all of us white boys who grew up in 80s and 90s watched this, another reason why we love Ed Norton; everyone needs to watch this film; glad u got to see it
The director wanted Derek to go back to his old ways at the end but Norton insisted that he wanted his character to have learned from everything. He wanted to show that people can really overcome prejudices and that hate only begets more hate unless people choose to stop the cycle.
Exactly! I was born and raised in the South with racism all around me. That’s what I was literally taught by example. Thankfully, I met friends in college who showed me how wrong I was, and I studies sociology and learned how truly ignorant I was. I saw this wonderful film too, and I ensured I did not raise my children by teaching them hate.
@@tricky2055 I still remember as a child, growing up around people of all colors. I was lucky that I was raised by someone who never even mentioned race or color. My friends were my friends, and that was all I knew. Until one day, as I got old enough and learned to see the world around me, I discovered that racism existed. People tried to tell me what to believe, but I was taught to question everything myself. In this sense, I was saved from it by examining the evidence around me. I was the same as the others, and they were the same as me. What we looked like made no difference at all to how we felt as friends.
Now to that point, I do want to mention that it isn't always one-sided. Plenty of people with darker tones are taught to fear others, avoid them, stay away, don't be friends. That line of thinking doesn't help anyone at all either. Like Edward Norton proved, simply talking to people about every day business, eschewing the rhetoric and unhelpful group identity and thoughts, reveals who a person really is. Let's aim to get back to that goal without needing a sociology degree to have some common sense.
He wasn't prejudiced. He was right. Now look at the USA.
Avery brooks is a phenomenal actor, i wish he was still acting
Such a hard movie to get through. But so necessary for everyone to see😢💔
This is not "hard" to get through there are some tough things to see like human mutilation, the curb stomp, and the rape scene is hard. two scenes out of a 3 hour educational movie isn't hard to get through.
@@Stadt101 what do you mean by that
@@nathaniel2874 not sure what answer you are looking for its pretty clear. its not hard to watch other then 2 scenes.
@@Stadt101 ok
@@Stadt101 Jews are evil
My Principal in High School made us watch this... and then our history teacher made us watch specific parts of the movie.
Hate is baggage and it can make you lose EVERYTHING including your life!
Bollocks.
To hate what is wrong = to love what is right.
"Hate is baggage" is a rethorical ploy employed by those who "hate your hatered but love their own," in order to shift your moral values onto their own moral compass.
In short, it is not an argument but an appeal to emotion.
@@anaximanderofapollonia9842 cool
@@anaximanderofapollonia9842lol . He couldn’t comprehend what you said. Retort: cool. 🤡
Be mad all you want about it, but the points made at the dinner table were dead-ass true.
I just watched your reaction to this film. One of my favorite films. I remembered when this came out to the theater in 98 and i started my first job at a movie theater. I never heard of the film. When I started everyone was talking about this movie. I walked into the theater and seen Edward Furlong get shot. I decided on a day off to watch this movie. After watching it , it was one of my favorite movies to watch. I love the story and how Derek was so racist and at the end prison changed him as a person. When he was trying to change his family around and Danny. I was in shock of how Danny died even though I seen the ending by accident when working at the theater. I’m glad you enjoyed the film and love your reaction to it. After seeing this film I loved watching Edward Norton films he played in. I hear he is a very hard actor to work with he is always an amazing actor. I also like how you said you don’t talk about politics around family. I agree with you there. I don’t like to bring that subject up when I’m around people
In one of the most understated ways possible: it’s a movie that sticks with you. One of the most powerful pieces of cinema, it makes you squirm, it makes you uncomfortable, it makes you pissed off, and it makes you look at things a lot differently.
Norton's transformation from Rounders to this is really incredible
His speech at the family table is so hard but very true. One of the best movie scenes ever.
Lots of speeches in this movie are true
That’s what makes it great.
What about the speech was true? Not sure what you meant by this.
@@underAtack I think he means true as in that’s what happens at some family tables. Very sad but true.😢
he's right that hippie Jewish bullshit doesn't belong at the dinner table lol
@@underAtack maybe try to listen better.
We talked shit to each other in the army. But when we were in it we 100% had each other's backs.
Yeah but this movie has nothing to do with the army
Why is it so crazy that Norton could dunk. He is playing a character don't cry over his basket ball skills .
If you want to complete the anthology, you should watch the Australian movie Romper Stomper from 1992, the movie responsible for Russel Crowe being discovered by Hollywood.
Just like American History X and This Is England, it explores the issues of young people in difficult situations, and how it can turn their life choices for the worse.
Actually underrated movie worth a watch.
Romper Stomper is such a cracking movie, I can't believe reactors are still overlooking it.
The Romer Stomper Movie is so Punk NZ/AUS...I know, as a headbanger, these were our Brothers, but some went just too far...
Romper Stomper is an amazing movie, very realistic, brutal.
Rise of the foot solider is an other amazing movie.
Romper stomper was a dumb movie.
Words are not dangerous. Ignorant people are dangerous.
Such a great movie. Definitely too much for some. There's another movie you gotta check out that's as powerful and emotional as this one. - 'Once Were Warriors.' You'll love it.
“Once Were Warriors” is a definite MUST! 💯🔥🤙🏽😎
Once We’re Warriors is amazing.
Great recommendation! That is an awesome film from NZ. Would love to see that review.
We watched it in English class when we were 17. It was shocking and hard to watch, but to this day, one of my favorite movies
I seen this movie way too young and when I watched that curb stomp, shook me for like a week.
The original ending shows Derek, at the very end, looking in the mirror with his head shaved again.
This movie pushed all my anxiety buttons. I cried for real when he stomped that man's head on the curb.
It's so hard for me to watch, I cried so much watching this movie. Also the fact that we are still dealing w this today. 😢
Meh, he fucked around and found out
Good God, I haven't seen this movie for at least a decade, and it feels like it's just telling a 2020s story.
Yup, same nonsense spoken by the same people. Hate, hate, hate....
@@lazylightning1197 this movie is propaganda..
@@lewisgraham4239 Your parents were brother and sister, weren't they?
@@lazylightning1197 i imagine you like to loot stores too? The system keeping you down?
To explain that dunk...
One of Derek's underlying character arcs is that before his dad passed away, and he was sucked into a life of hatred... Derek was going for a basketball scholarship. The character knows how to play semi-professionally
One of the best movies I've seen. Really love when he goes to prison and finds he's not really much different than the people he claims to hate. Love this movie.
Avery Brooks is a fantastic actor, writer, director, he was one of my fave actors in the 90's forward
Same here. The man is amazing. He should be more well known. He is such an amazing actor and musician.
His performance as Benjamin Sisko in Deep Space Nine was unparalleled. (Not to mention this film as well.)
Such an underrated actor.
This was one of my most watched films back in the 90's because the message behind it was so powerful. Just a few months ago i was stuck in some crappy motel and this was an option to watch. Everything they say and do in this movie, we now see streaming on mainstream outlets. People outside of nazis and skinheads are repeating these lines now because our news are repeating it, and even our leaders are repeating it. They arent even hiding anymore. This movie is proof that history repeats itself. This is american history.
I got jumped by a group of black guys as a teenager, they came out this movie and I was in the wrong place at the right time...
They missed the point of the movie...
Yeah I'm white.
Such a powerful film. Edward Norton actually scared the shit out of me so yeah, pretty phenomenal actor right there. Loved seeing your perspective too. ✌🏻💖
The guy who wrote this movie was a friend of my screenplay teacher in film school, and he said that the screenplay for this movie was passed around in Hollywood for several years, but no one dared to make it. Luckily, a production company took on the risk, and got the brilliant director of this movie to make it. It's interesting that my teacher was debating the screenwriter and friend about the character change of Norton after his time in prison, which he meant was unbelievable. I agree with his opinion. During one of the days at school, my teacher showed us both this movie and Menace II Society, and the next day we analyzed the films and talked about the topic of racism in an objective and pragmatic manner. Most awesome teacher I have ever met!
This movie is a tragedy from every single persons perspective. Heartbreaking
An amazing classic. A movie of human savagery and redemption and tragedy
You know he had to flip back or at least go on a rampage after his brother. He was a hard man anyway.
This is the film that taught me racism and hate and grudges are a waste of time and made me a better human being. As a teenager watching this film it really opened my eyes.
Plus Made me a Ed Norton fan over night.
I have seen that curb stomp scene at least a dozen times and it hits just as hard EVERY time, making me break down and bawl like a baby (No offence to any babies reading this). This is a powerful movie and should have made a much bigger impact than it did. Unfortunately there are still too many "people" ( I use that term very loosely, hence the quotes) out there that saw it as a training video, cheered in all the wrong places and ignored the ending. I have no doubt we will get there some day, hopefully in my lifetime.
I watched it once, and I can't ever again. Even with my eyes closed and listening to only the music, I could still see it, and it made me sick.
you hear Derek say just before that "you ever shoot at firemen?". He's internalizing his hate and blaming this guy for the death of his father, even though he never had anything to do with it. That's why he's able to brutally murder him in cold blood.
But the black kid killed the white kid. Mostly just for being white and standing up for himself. Which is what happens to white kids in black areas (maybe not the shooting part but you're definitely a victim if you don't start hurting them worse then they can hurt you). So I don't understand what you mean about ignoring the ending. The ending can be looked at from either point of view. That they were right for hating them-look at what they did. Or that violence and hatred just perpetuates more violence and hatred but if you try to look at it from that angle it doesn't make complete sense because what did Danny do other than stand up for himself and the other white kid?
@@thejohn6614He’s a skinhead? Lmao.
@@ninjireal what's your point? Racism among whites is looked at as this horrible thing and we have terms for them such as skinhead and Nazi but what about racism among blacks. Racism among blacks is much more common than among whites. It's just socially accepted and encouraged. But put a kid into one of those black neighborhoods and schools and he's either going to be a constant victim or he's going to start hurting all the blacks that mess with him and if he shows hatred he will be labeled as the problem because he's some sort of white supremacist despite him being a victim of racism. I know this because I'm white and from Chicago where I was one of the few white kids at my school. They all hated me just because I was white. I had to fight pretty often just so I wasn't a constant victim.
Things aren't as simple as just saying "he's a skinhead." And that's the end of it. I've known skinheads that were ignorant as fuck and just jumped on the hate boat. I've also known skinheads that were extremely intelligent and had reasons to believe what they believed and mostly just wanted to be left alone and not fucked with by blacks anymore.
One of the best movies ever for sure. It might not be for everyone, but everyone should watch it.
Life really is too short to be pissed off at ppl you don't know personally.
Oh no you didn't, this is one helluva hard hitting movie. Super hyped for this.
And you found that you agree with the father speech at the dinner table. Good for you. We feel the same. Welcome to the club of the rest of us.
I had my teenage son watch this movie and it has impacted his life well into his thirties. I really wanted to raise my children as I was, inclusive. Being born and raised in the south, our communities are integrated. We are friends, family, brothers and sisters. We cannot let outsiders separate us! Oh my god how agitators try. Between liberals who tells us we are evil and ultra conservatives who try to divide us by hatred. We just need to maintain what we have with each other. For all those who don’t live near minorities, why not?
The best thing you can do is love and form an alliance with your neighbors. That will get you through tough times.
Dude your commentary on this movie was amazing.
I've been a huge fan of this movie since it came out.
This movie opened some ideas up in my young mind.
Changed a lot about the way I thought back then.
Thanks.
In the powerful curb stomp scene, his mind and spirit in that moment were viscerally reliving all the pain, suffering, numbness, loss, grief, and anguish of him losing his father to an hopelessly evil portion of society and in that moment of chaos, he was seeking closure and justice which he had been deprived of all those years since his father was murdered.
Humanity, humour, respect, can bring together.
Ive been really mad lately...your onclusion evened me out a little. I needed that. Thank you.
Do “true Romance” next!! It is an early Quentin Tarantino movie that is a must see! Lot of actors before they hit it big.
Incredible film!
an all time favorite of mine.
"It aint white-boy day, is it?"
Definitely. Who else but Tarantino could take a love story and turn it into that🤯🥰 amazing film
@@reneeg9406 David lynch.....
And it was a very apt title...because it was more of a true love story than just about any other movie ive ever seen@reneeg9406
The term "curb stomp" actually comes from the scene in this movie. So when you say "you heard of curb stomping", it originated here.
Curb stomp has been around a lot longer than this movie, it was used as a term by punkers back in the 70's.
Ok boomer
@@spyderfreestone736 People were getting curb stomped in the 50's.