Fact: this particular episode has a 9.9/10 rating on imdb out of 100k ratings. Perfect proof that good TV is appreciated regardless of how much you hate the outcome of the story. The fan in me gave it a 1 star rating when first seeing it, but then once the heat of the moment passed, I understood and changed it to a 10.
If you rewatch HotD now, you’ll notice in the last episode how someone says “there has never lived a Stark who forgot an oath” well Robb was the first one and seems karma treated hom good
@@drrohanjacob It's based on a real historical event called the black dinner in Scotland. He tries to write stuff that seems like real events. He's also joked about having a meteor hit Westeros, killing everyone.
I haven’t even seen the reaction yet and I’m cracking up at all of their talking points about finally getting a stark reunion/talisa&robb/house stark loyalty it’s gonna be brutal
When I was watching them, for some strange reason, the words of Ramsay Snow in 3x06 came to mind: "If you think this has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention."
@@HuntingViolets - Humans have been telling stories for tens of thousands of years.. you really think the concept of a 'happy ending' is modern? As for your questioning of it being Ramsay saying it :- th-cam.com/video/FT4_Fefew78/w-d-xo.html
@Justin Freitag *"everything is just as likely as everything else"* Not so.. the likelihood that a certain orange-skinned baboon will ever be elected to the US presidency again, is so close to zero that it doesn't matter. Accordingly, it follows that your argument is invalid. 😉
When she said that the scene with Jim Carrey in Me Myself and Irene. When Irene pulls out the bottle of liquor and Jim just does that really corny "Ohhhh man.....ooohhhhhhh boy." With that smile of delighted trepidation.
Yep, we've all been waiting for them to see this episode. Give it time to settle. I didn't think you'd be upset with the viewers but you've got to work through your emotions.
This episode is important because it establishes that actions have consequences, even for the "good" guys. Robb broke his oath to marry Frey's daughter, which from Frey's perspective is a huge betrayal, considering his daughter would have been Queen in the North. A marriage pact to Catelyn's brother is not at all equivalent to the original deal, and was probably seen as a huge insult to Frey. The extent of Frey's revenge is brutal, but it makes sense for the story. It's also morbid irony, as the Starks, who hold honor and loyalty above all else, are brought down by their own dishonorable actions, in a horribly dishonorable event.
that’s why in the books the story of robb and jane makes sense, he sleeps with her so he have to marry her (for honer), in the show he just falls in love with talisa and breaks the oath just like that for nothing barely
Robbie is dumb for only thinking for himself. After that betrayal, he still dare to show his face in feint of Freys. He's asking for the mess in plain sight.
This is such nonsense and yet always brought up to defend consequences. It matters nothing that Robb gave his word for a marriage, the marriage was in exchange for getting free passage. There still was a marriage, the Starks kept their word and Robb dared to think of his own personal freedom. All this carnage for a slight. It's not, all this shows is how cruel and bestial Walder Frey is, and how much gold can buy. The Boltons' leader and the Freys' leader are very simply scum. It amuses me when people ramble on about broken promises of Starks or whatnot, in the end it it's always the evil satisfaction of putting good and righteous people under your boot.
This episode highlights the difference between Jon and Robb , while rob chose love over his duty to honor his oath , Jon chose his duty to the night's watch over his love for yggrite . Love is the death of duty is a constant theme in the game of thrones universe .
sorta rings hollow when you realize Robb could have easily loved Talisa but kept her safe and alive while he still followed through with his oath. Literally just felt too invincible and thought he could do anything he wanted - his hubris was the real death of his duty, not his love
@@itsame_kev In the books his wife (Jeyne) survives as she is not the Wedding - the point is still the same. The quote isn't "love is the death of your loved one" it's "love is the death of duty". Robb's love for Talisa led to him failing in his duty as king. And if you're suggesting that he could have kept her as a mistress and married a Frey anyway, I think you don't understand his character at all.
Robb and Jon’s story in this episode act as mirror images of each other. Both had to choose between duty/honor and love. Robb chose love over his oath to the Freys, and this is where it ended up. As painful as Jon leaving Ygritte to return to the watch was, he chose his honor and his Nights Watch vows over his love. It also mirrors Ned’s choice between keeping his honor or proclaiming Joffrey as legitimate to protect Sansa in S1E9. When Starks choose love over honor, this is what happens
@@lordstarwars2214 Good point. Although the last time we saw him Ned died not for honor but cause he wanted to protect his kids. I noticed that on the show so far it happens often where characters fall when they go away from what defines them. Ned put his honor aside for one time and got killed. The arrogant Jaime decided to be honorable and lost his hand because of it. Theon chose to be a "man"(of course in a misguided way) and got betrayed and captured and tortured.
unfortunately the red wedding is the consequences of robb's careless actions, but damn im so glad you finally made it to this episode. This episode and Ned's death changed television as a whole(for better and worse)
"In the game of throne, you win or you die." What did Robb actually think was going to happen? The whole premise of the show is "do something stupid and see what happens". Nobody is safe. Nobody.
And not only television, but TH-cam as well. There were far fewer reaction channels before Game of thrones. But people who had read the books knew what is going to happen and filmed their friends reactions, and they become hugely popular. After this episode a loads of new reaction channels were born.
@@Tyrisalthan well, not right after, but yes, most of the oldest one, I mean the old ones that started with GoT and we all knew their names since there was few of them, started with s5 (not talking about the ones who were catching up and caught up, like Jimmy Macram, one of the first "catchers", during s6). Some mavericks did start with s4, but back then it was What the Flick (RIP) reviews for s3, they were one of the first who started, alongside BW (on their old channel) and Talking Thrones (remember when Normies called themselves that)
The consequences of Robb's actions and others around him. Putting the full blame on a teenager that had this huge responsibility as King in the North placed on him isn't fair. Others also share the blame for the red wedding. His mum, Edmure, Rickard Karstark
Listening to them talk about how it might be a sad ending, how she loves robb and talisa, how they want arya to go back to robb is just so weird especially knowing what happens
@@XicD - I know.. I loved how excited she'd gotten when she remembered that Talisa was pregnant.. and at the same time I was thinking "Ohhh, boy... she is NOT gonna take this well..."
“I just hope one of them doesn’t die, because they promised each other that they’ll go to Volantis together.” Well, that unfortunately didn’t age well for you Pudgey💀
“The Rains of Castemere” is the Lannister’s song, it’s specifically Tywin’s calling card because it’s about how he completely wiped out one of his vassal houses trying to rise up against him
Robb had his army. But a large chunk of his army was Bolten men. They also made sure Robb's loyal men got drunk during the feast while the Frey and Bolten men stayed sober
Robb also had lost a ton of men over time - some left when the Greyjoys started attacking the North, some left over the Karstark beheading, some left when he married Talisa/Jeyne.
Well there is also the fact the Boltons are historically long time enemies of the Starks, so I bet it felt good for Roose to kill Robb that way. and Robb was sorta stupid to piss of the Karstarks when he executed their lord. So in hindsight, Robb was a victim of his youth and bad mistakes, and bad blood within the two northern families. Tywin is a military genius in that regard. He knew were to play the game in this regard.
There's also the guest thing. One of the top three unforgivable actions in Westeros is to kill a guest welcomed into your home. Robb had every reason to think they were safe. The other two unforgivable actions are killing family and killing an envoy.
@@TheRealRealMClovin that was a mistake due to his youth. Don't forget Robb Stark is like 16ish when the war of the five kings is happening, so his ignorance played a fatal factor in his decision making. I agree, Robb should have kept his promise, in the show Lord Frey's daughter was quite attractive. But the reputation of his ugly daughters definitely made Robb feel weird.
Tywin on Rob:- "He is a boy who never lost a battle. He'll risk anything & everything. Because he doesn't know enough to be afraid" To me this perfectly sums up Rob's decision making leading up to this brutal event.
@@patrick7142 absurd. if he married the frey girl, he still had no chance and was going to be slaughtered. he lost when both baratheon brothers went down and theon took winterfell
@@harshg1536 absurd. catelyns decisions and advice would have saved them both. robb died largely through no fault of his own. it was more things like Renly's death and theon's betrayal
The way Spartan shot his hateful eyes through the screen at us…I felt that! I’m sure you realize all of us have been waiting for you two to get to this episode. We are sick people. However, welcome to the club. Now you know how we all felt. This remains the most heartbreaking episode on television.
It’s definitely up there BUT an equivalent one on Walking Dead comes to mind. I don’t want to spoil it but that made me stop watching the show for like 3 years 😂
@@jacobrayner6985 that’s subjective. It depends on how invested you were with the characters. I thought Rob was weak. I hated Catelyn. The wife wasn’t on the show long enough to be super relevant to me…. BUT the character in The Walking Dead I loved and I was not expecting it to be him AT ALL. Especially the way they cut to the scene. I don’t want to go into too much detail because of the spoilers but like I said it’s all subjective.
@@dillonnagel7596 it is all definitely subjective, but I do think more people on average were more attached to the got characters than the wd characters and would agree the writing was better (just off of reviews etc). But it is all a subjective experience, I couldn’t stand the wd writing personally I thought it felt so drawn out and I never felt attached to any of them.
"There's no reason that had to happen." Unfortunately this is a world where when people make bad decisions, they pay for it. We're just used to watching movies and shows where the heroes get saved all the time. It's a complete shock the first time seeing it. But when rewatching the show, it's obvious this was coming. Loved the reaction! We were all as angry as you were when we saw it the first time!
Exactly, this is what made this show the best. Every action, every plan, every scheme and discussion has a consequence, good or bad; a ripple effect that affects not only the characters who make them but other characters and their own plans and how they adapt and change to this new information they learn or affected them.
This episode is literally what reacting is about. Book readers sneakily filmed the reactions of their show watching friends to capture their reaction and posted it online. And that launched the whole TH-cam reacting scene.
Spot on... it's what got me hooked on reactions. There had been a few channels doing watchalongs, but this is the episode that made people realize that reactions pulled in views.
I understand why Spartan would be disgusted and pissed off, but as you cool off I hope you can appreciate the brilliance of this episode. The red wedding in the show is a pretty faithful adaptation of how it goes down in the book and it's probably the most shocking turn of events in the entire GoT. It's a wonderful depiction of how each bad decision a person in power makes can have catastrophic results. Robb kind of brought that fate upon himself by marrying Talisa (Jeyne in the books) and disrespecting the Freys. They were very naive to think Walder Frey was just going to let that go. Of course nobody could've predicted the betrayal of the Boltons, but that's also a part of a bigger storyline. As tragic and shocking as it was, it was kind of necessary to push some other storylines forward. Think about it - from now on, especially for Sansa and Arya, it's not about being returned to their mother/brother anymore. They have to find their own paths now. Also, you have to give it to GRRM - killing off POV characters is a very bold move. But he makes it work every time.
Very well said. I've been watching nearly one of the Reaction vids a day, until catching up to this episode. took nearly 2 weeks to be ready to watch their reaction, just knowing what was coming.
@@Garudius same, was postponing this for like a week and even then I watched this in 3 parts... knowing what was coming, it was so stressful and sad to see them being happy and naive through the whole episode having no clue about what was coming...
This is how most people felt after first watching it, but over time you come to realise it was one of the greatest episodes in the history of television. GRRM takes inspiration from real historical stories, and history is very bloody indeed.
It proved that no one is really safe, and "main characters" aren't exempted to death. In fact, it can be said that there's no real main characters at all, and they're all don't split between good guys and bad guys. Just like in history, the opposing sides are just a matter of perspective, they're all villains to each others' eyes.
Spartan mentioned that Rob simply broke one promise and was devastated for it. Yes, and he was warned repeatedly by multiple people that marrying her was a fatal mistake. Cat tried to warn him multiple times. Bolton warned him, and Lord Karstark (before he killed those boys and got executed) told Robb straight up "you lost this war the moment you married her". Everyone knew and tried to tell him, he just didn't want to listen.
Robb's biggest mistake was sending Theon to treat with his father. It led to losing Winterfell and, in turn, losing a lot of power and respect in his army. In the books, his marriage with Jeyne Westerling likely never would have happened if he hadn't been grieving for Bran and Rickon's "deaths."
@@jcompton8507 true and yet lots of people within his army sort of screwed Robb over too. Mistakes were made everywhere. Roose was also just all about himself. And you know who, not Theon, but "the boy" in the series up to now torturing him destroyed all hope within winterfell.
@@Zeke1379 What the show doesn't ever mention is that the Starks and Boltons have thousands of years of "history." Around the time of the original Long Night, the Boltons were Kings in their own right called the "Red Kings." And their biggest rivals were the "Kings of Winter" from House Stark. It's only in the last thousand years or so that House Bolton surrendered to the Starks. And, as we all know, "The North Remembers." The Starks and Boltons have always been uneasy allies.
@@jcompton8507 Yes and he was warned against that as well. Cat releasing Jaime obviously didn't help either. I would argue that Baelon would have attacked the north regardless of whether Theon went to meet him.
@@mking1982098 - I agree with you about Baelon. The dwellers on the Iron Islands were opportunists and raiders by nature. "Never let a crisis go to waste" might almost be the alternate words of House Greyjoy.
Spartan really wearing his house Stark shirt for the first time for this episode was hilarious to me. Rob wasn’t even one of my favs but this ep broke me when I watched it first and didn’t think I’ll ever continue watching GoT again 🥲🤣 Also I was crying with Pudgey up until at the end Spartan said “I’m trying to focus on the scene and all I hear is you whimpering” 😭😭🤣
You two perfectly represent two main reactions after this episode - sadness and ugly crying vs utter disbelief and anger lmao I'm never going to get tired watching people react to the Red wedding
It's said that it was this episode the one who started the whole 'reaction' thing over the internet. Readers of the books knew what was coming, and recorded their family and friends watching it for the first time, it became a great success. So, Spartan and Pudgy, you owe to this GOT episode that you have a reaction channel now! We do suffer with every new watcher of this horrendous disaster.
@@aaronia8092 I think you might be correct. I can't remember watching reaction videos to anything before 2016. It started for me by watching these GOT reactions. Then I started seeing people react to movies and it just evolved from there.
@@aaronia8092 Incorrect, reaction videos have been around before game of thrones - game of thrones merely made it popular to make reactions and it became a household thing to sit together every sunday to watch it. Reactions on youtube have been around for far far longer.
I love how Roose Bolton's "the lanisters send their regard" is a callback to when Jaimie told roose to tell Robb that the lanisters send their regards. Watching the show back it becomes painfully clear that this plan was going to happen to robb
Exactly when i first watched that. I was like wtf man. I feels empty and hopeless. And after hotD. I decided to rewatch got. And in ep 7 jaime said these words and robb plans to attack casterly rock is pretty much stupid. I was like "y i did not catch these details at the first time ".its fun to rewatch got.
The fact that we care this much about these characters is what makes this show so great. It's a tough episode, but it makes us cherish the ones we still have moving forward.
I felt bad for Pudgey. At the beginning of the episode she was all happy seeing the romance between Robb and Talisa. And I knew what would come next. That's how I felt too. I liked them both a lot. It's heartbreaking.
That wasn’t a cuff link that you saw on Roose Bolton’s arm. It was chain mail. No one wears chain mail to a wedding unless they're a guard, so when Catlyn heard the Lannister song and then saw the chain mail, she put 2 and 2 together.
Yeah. Not sure how they came up with cufflink 😅. It was mail (armor), which is suspicious because it'd be like someone wearing a bulletproof vest to your birthday party 😂
When Catelyn lifted up Roose Bolton’s sleeve that was chain mail concealed under his clothing, which made her realize he was dressed in armor. Since they are at a wedding that was meant to be a brokerage of peace, she instantly knew this was not the norm and something horrible was planned.
Couldn't stop laughing at Spartan's T-shirt. Im happy he addressed it. He was fully decked out ready to support his favorite team and then the star quarterback just kicks the bucket :D.
The red wedding is one iconic episode. I'm sure most of us couldn't wait for your reaction to it. Remember we all were where you are now, having our hearts ripped out.
@@MrKingYuji Yeah. People that knew how gut wrenching the episode was started filming friends and family while they watched it for the first time and posted their reactions on social media. From there reaction channels took off.
the reason Robb didn't have more soldiers with him is that he thought they were safe under "guest right" under this custom, once someone has eaten food from the host, guest right is invoked and neither the guest nor the host can harm each other it's an extremely strong custom in the north and the idea that anybody would break it is unthinkable
Well done to you both. The Red Wedding wasn't just done for TV drama, this happened in the show because... that's what happens in the books. However take solace, you are no longer 'Sweet Summer Children', you are 'Winter Warriors' and fully immersed in the Great Game and the Great Game is terrifying. You were warned about this show (as best as could be without spoiling) and also told by many that it will be a roller-coaster, which means there are ups aswell as downs. Don't be disheartened, the ups will be worth the downs, truly they will, and you will be grateful you played the Game. There is still so much to root for and enjoy. "Starks Forever!"
Well, to be fair, while Red Wedding does happen in the book, there is a small detail I think is worth mentioning . Pregnant Talisa(Maegyr) Stark does not get repeatedly stabbed in her stomach simply because there is no Talisa in the books. Robb's wife from the books, Jeyne Westerling is not even present at the Twins when it happens, so it is the truth that show even left some of the book readers in disbelief a little bit. I knew the Red Wedding would happen eventually, but when I figured out that in the show Robb's pregnant wife will be involved, I was like "for the fuck's sake, I thought this particular scene can't get any more savage." xD
Rains of Castamere is an unofficial lannister anthem. If you remember the story Cersei told Margaery, about House Reyne and how they got slaughtered because they rebelled against Tywin, that's what the song is about and it explains why Catelyn gets worried when she hears it being played. It was sort of dark foreshadowing about what was going to happen to Robb's party.
Regardless of the meaning behind the song, it's a Lannister song, period. Hearing your enemy's song at a wedding hosted by someone you think is your ally would raise anyone's eyebrow.
It's basically Tywin's victory song- detailing his most infamous act of violence, ever. Why would your ally play that at your uncle's wedding? If the men were not so drunk, they should all have had their hackles raised.
In the books iirc it's explained that the music players were very bad, and music sounded not too good. It's then revealed that they were archers, ready to kill the Stark party from their advantage point above the hall, when it was the time for it. The song "Rains of Castamere" was the signal to begin the massacre.
Tywin writing letters the whole season got us to this. War is so much more than armies and battles. My love to you both. I loved watching your reactions, you seem like great people.
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Reading the red wedding chapter from caitlyn's perspective while listening to "rains of castamere" is an amazing experience, literal chills every the time
Pudgey literally just went through all 7 stages of grief by the end of the video 😆😆.. It's a long journey Pudgey & Spartan and "The night is dark and full of terrors"
There are only five stages of grief but pudgey may have invented an extra 2. Some of these commenters are sadistic. Seeing how much Pudgey liked Talisa and Robb, I was not looking forward to this episode.
@@chimpymcmonkey5402 Agreed, I get that normally this is THE episode to see reactions for, but with these two I was dreading to see it through. Just happy to see a bit of smiling and banter towards the end of the outro.
@@chimpymcmonkey5402 The complete process consisted of shock, denial, anger, bargaining, depression, testing, and acceptance... Regardless it's a joke..
@@chimpymcmonkey5402 the '5 stages of grief' is not a hard fact, just a useful framework for understanding the grieving process. there can be 4 stages, 1 stage, 7 stages depending on the person and how they process
Pudgy went from bawling to hysteric laughter then back to heartbreak meanwhile Spartan was in denial for most of it lmao ya'll didn't disappoint!! Hang in there guys, we've all been through this too and it can't get any worse than this right?? Lolol
I don't recall my initial reaction other than utter shock but there is a point in watching it where it's so sadistic that you can't help by hysterically laugh. Some people get to it on later re-watches but Pudgy seemed to experience these emotions faster, haha. The whole buildup and payoff was fantastically horrific.
@@TheRoyalFino That happened to me on a recent watch!!! I was almost laughing at like the thought of me realizing even more how awful and messed up it is even after my initial reaction of utter shock 😅
"Kill me and be cursed, you're no king of mine" - Rickard Karstark, right before his execution. You can't say they didn't warn Robb that he was going down a dangerous path that was leading him to the same dead end as his Pappy.
Catelyn also warned him...many times. She warned him about Theon. She warned him about breaking his oath to Walder Frey. She warned him about killing Karstark. All three times, Robb ignored her and all three warnings led to the death of his family and his men.
@@user-dh9li7rl3n True enough. But a big reason that she freed Jamie when she did was to protect him from the Karstark men who she feared would kill him. Brienne agreed with her reasoning, and she consented to escort Jamie to KL. But you're quite right that there were many mistakes that led to this slaughter.
Michelle Fairley's blood curdling scream just echoes through my mind every time I think of the Red Wedding. Also Rob's army was there but they were blindsided. In the books they actually put up a bit of a fight but it doesn't change the outcome. Greywind also gets a few kills before he is ultimately put down. It's so tragic.
Every time Pudgey said she likes Talisa and Robb I died a bit inside. That said, funnily enough, Talisa is a change from the books. In the books Robb marries a girl called Jane Westerling, not out of love, but because he deflowered her when she was taking care of him. He did it for honour. Jane Westerling is also still alive in the books, because the Westerlings are Lannister vassals.
And also, the same witch seen making the prophecy in the teenage Cersei flashback, is also Jayne Westerling’s grandmother. Talisa’s last name in the show, Maegyr, I believe is a homage to this grandmother of Jeyne’s. The Grandmother was called Maggy (Maegi) the Frog, since nobody could pronounce her actual name.
I would add that, Robb married Jeyne Westerling out of his mother's sight and by the time Catelyn knows about it, it's too late. In the series, Catelyn has the chance to tell Robb, he was breaking his oath. In the books and in the series as well, Catelyn can't stand Robb's wife before knowing her, she sees that dishonor in her, the same reminder as Jon was Ned's dishonor to her. Jeyne is alive and kept imprisoned or captive to see if she's actually pregnant of Robb's heir. And talking about heirs, there's a theory that says that, because Robb thought Bran and Rickon were dead, Sansa was married to Tyrion and Arya simply vanished, Robb, secretly, behind his mother's back, had named Jon his heir before a son of his was born.
It's basically depends on how much watchers attached to the certain character. Like for example when ned got beheaded - i was like. Ok. Poor guy. I liked this guy. But he is not my fav. But when robb got killed. It's just break my heart. I was broken and just speechless and staring at screen for atleast 2-3 min. After ending to process all this. Because robb is easily my fav. Character at that time.
Well that's what I hoped for when I was about to watch the video, but she keeps checking her reaction on another monitor in real time while getting shocked and emotional, and it just feels.. different.
@@Noone91875 Yep had it the opposite of you, I was so heartbroken when Ned died, but didn't really care for Rob. Thought it was despicable what happened, but didn't hit as hard as some others were he was their favorite character. My other friend was a big Lanister Fan, and the whole season he was saying that the Lanisters would kick Rob's ass, but even he was shocked at how Rob went out.
lol Spartan we all knew you’d be so pissed 😂 and Pudgey I’m right there with you, all the near misses, especially Arya having to witness so many traumatic events. I violently threw my book across the room when I first read this scene. These characters will stay in your hearts forever. The North Remembers 🐺
It's been a while since rereading but iirc in the book she wondered who was screaming and then realizes that it was her as she clawed at her own face in agony. Absolutely brutal chapter.
She died thinking all of her children were dead or unsafe. She gave a phenomenal performance for conveying this & honestly should have gotten an award for the scene
Cat was my fav during this episode!! I was right on her back validating her warnings & suspicions to her grief --- yelling at my television. One of the best episodes.
A lot of things led to this happening. Catelyn letting Jamie go. That led to distrust with the Karstarks, a big portion of Rob's army. Which led to the Karstarks killing those Lannister hostages , which Rob responded to by beheading the head of the family effectively losing more than half his forces. Which then forced him to go back to walder Frey despite having broken his oath. So, it might seem like it came from nowhere but there was a lot that led up to it
And the reason Rob didn't go in armed into the Frey's household is because of Guest right. Once you're invited to someone's home, you're supposed to be protected from any harm, that's the rule. Cat and Rob just didn't expect Walder to break that vow because doing so curses your whole family
It started even before that once Rob went against his vows and tywin get pass him in the riverlands and allied with the tyrells and went back to kings landing is when Rob lost and the red wedding was set in motion.
And also Robb breaking his oath to marry a Frey girl in the first place. I always thought that was a selfish decision which showed his immaturity and naïveté about the world he was living in.
@@gwenjackson8583 it's more understandable in the books , first it wasn't some random girl from volantaus but a noble girl from the West, also he got with her because he had sex with her out of greef of the loss of winterfell and the potential death of his 2 brothers , he marries her to maintain her honor which is ment to parralel neds unwavering honor which also got him killed.
@@gwenjackson8583 in the books it wasn't even a love thing. He was very much his father's son and felt that since he had slept with her, he had to wed her. Still, if he had the Karstarks, it wouldn't have been as massive an issue
Lmao i cant stop laughing at Spartans reaction when something messed up happens xD And the fact he wears a Stark Shirt at the Red Wedding is absolutely hysterical sorry
I watch a lot of GOT reactions, I don't think I've felt so bad as I did for Pudgey here. I know it's tough right now but please don't give up. There will be other hard moments but there will be crying with joy and stand up and cheer moments also. Love you guys.
I also watch a lot of GoT reactions, and Pudgey's is the so heart felt. I sent her virtual hugs the entire episode 🤗😢 Another emotional GoT reaction was Calvin on Blind Wave's channel. His was so affected by 3x9 that he wrote a letter and had his viewing partner read it for him before they reacted to 3x10.
What makes this episode so great is that its not out of the blue.. Its hinted at in every episode in season 3. Rob fucked up a lot, and other characters in other parts of the world told stories of how this would unfold. Damn good story telling
You're totally right, in fact it's even hinted by season 2 when Catelyn warned Robb against the betrayal of his marriage engagement to one of Frey's daughter.
For about two episodes we were watching Jamie being treated like a prince and returned to his father, by Rob's people (Bolton's men) and almost no one suspected the betrayal!
This episode is what sparked the whole "reaction" trend on TH-cam. It started when the people, who have read the books, videoed their friends, wives, husbands, whatever reacting to the scene at the end and most videos got so many views, people decided to do reaction channels. Congrats on not being sweet summer children anymore! This reaction was great, guys. Can't wait for the next one!
One more time... The first reaction video was not of the red wedding, it was a guy filming his roommate's reaction to Ned's assassination. That was the official start of the genre. The red wedding was the point where it grew and exploded further but it was NOT the start.
@@bryce253 Well, technically the first reaction video was from a guy videoing his friends' reaction to Princess Diana's death. You can watch it on TH-cam.
It feels awful now, and it seems impossible to get over, but when you finish the show and look back on this you realize how necessary it was for 1) the world building 2) establishing consequences and the tone that anyone can suffer the consequences and 3) robs character arc had come to an end, even if it's hard to see at the time. You'll get through it! Great reaction!
@@resistencia508 that’s not what they’re saying. The red wedding reactions absolutely started the reaction content trend because it elicits such extreme reactions. No other episode hits this hard. If you don’t realize that, you’re a fool.
It was chilling and heartbreaking in the book when the Freys cut her throat Catelyn thinks "No, don’t, don’t cut my hair, Ned loves my hair." The reason Robb wasn't well guarded was because it is tradition in Westeros that when you invite guests into your home like the Freys did for the wedding that you bring all guests under your protection while in your home. The Freys broke that rule and let's just say it's considered an unforgivable thing to do. The North remembers.
In 2013 when this was first broadcast millions cried like Pudgey and millions more were angry and in denial like Spartan. I had read the books and this episode "The Red Wedding" was still a shock to me. Great book, great script writing, great acting and great production. Well done Spartan and Pudgey, you two filled all of our anticipation.
Since I first saw the red wedding, whenever I hear a sad violin, my heart is being pierced again and again by that memory. Long live the Starks (well, those still alive) 🐺⚔️.
This was an absolute masterclass in acting by Michelle Fairley. Honestly one of the best performances I've ever seen on screen, both movie and TV, not exaggerating. I had already read the 3rd book years before the season 3 came out but the way she acted in this episode had even bigger impact for me than reading this chapter for the first time. They absolutely nailed it with the casting in this show. P.S. Rains of Castamere (name of the episode and the song that was playing) is Tywin Lannister's boss theme, that's why Caitlyn got anxious after hearing it. The song is written about how Tywin literally annihilated the entire noble house pretty much because they were gossiping about his father. The lyrics of this song tells that story.
It wasn't that Robb walked in there carelessly- he and his were offered Guest Right, salt and bread: food and drink. When you offer someone guest right that's saying that as long as they're beneath your roof, you won't attack or harm them. Robb had no reason to think anything bad would hapen because this has literally never happened before, it's unheard of and unthinkable to them.
@@lynnjohanssen6552 Yes. Thru Bran telling the story of the Rat king. He murdered people under his house. He was turned into a rat by the gods because he violated guest rights, not because he murdered a bunch of people.
For sure I'm in the minority here, but when I first watched this episode I wasn't sad or crying, I was actually very impressed, because finally I got a show where "the main/good guys" aren't always winning, characters pay for their mistakes, and things are generally quite realistic. To me, it absolutely made sense why the Red Wedding happened, and as a history geek, it felt like something straight out of the history book. It made me value the show so much more and hyped me to watch more, because knowing anyone could die, I couldn't predict what is going to happen to the characters.
yes, GRRM is a big history buff and this was inspired by a real event in history that happened i don't remember what it was but if you look up interviews there are plenty he'll talk about it in
I'm with you. When I first watched this ep years ago, I only really felt bad for the Wolf, Cat and Arya. Robb just threw it all away for a pretty face (like the Frey said) and failed to honour his arrangement with them. Frey's daughter to marry a Tully is not even remotely the same as marrying the King in the North. I remember thinking to me that was gonna haunt Robb rather sooner than later, specially when that Kastark guy he killed said he lost the war the moment he married her. Like you said, it made sense that the red wedding happened. Robb didn't honour his most important arrangement. Frey let him pass the Twins and they won their 1st battle because of it, otherwise they were doomed to lose. Also they captured Jamie thanks to that. And even though Cat later released him, the Boltons caught him. But the Boltons only changed sides when they saw the North was beggining to fall apart after the Kastark execution. If the North stayed united, the Boltons would never change sides. Plus, that pretty face Talisa knew Robb had an arrangement from the beggining, that he was promised for the Frey daughter and why. Latr, she even said when telling her brother's story that she would never be a nobel lady because of that incident. But when she was faced with marrying the king in the north, she didn't even flinch. Basically Robb and Cat died because of a pretty face, and to be honest, the Frey daughter that would be Robb's new wife was way prettier than Talisa.
The thing is, Robb DID have like all his best knights and commanders with him, but they were all unarmed. Westeros has this sacred tradition called 'guest right' where once you've invited someone into your hall and given them food, you can never raise a hand against them and they can never raise a hand against you. That's why Robb, Catelyn, and the others made sure to eat that bread once they entered the castle. This is SUCH a sacred tradition that no one expected Walder Frey to sink so low as to break it.
In the show you first hear the full song when Bronn and the Lannister soldiers are singing it right before Blackwater. At the end of Blackwater you hear the marching tune of that song as Tywin makes his legendary entrance in the throne room. Then a whole season later Cersei tells Margaery about the story of House Reyne. The foreshadowing is there in bits and pieces. But everytime so much else is going on it is designed to make those little bits of info feel trivial. Everyone always focus on Joffrey doing something terrible at the Sansa Tyrion wedding, but that one ends up being a red herring. This is the one. "And now the rains weep o'er his hall, with not a soul to hear". System of a Down's Serj Tankian has a live orchestral performance of Rains of Castamere that you can find on youtube. It's so good. It's one of my favorite piece of music from GoT verse.
Nary a hug nor support was given. 😂 Spartan literally just stares 🥴 We definitely all went through this. The anger & despair . Yeah , The Red Wedding is the depths of despair.
The red wedding is one of the greatest surprise shock moments in media I have experienced in my 33 year life. I was walking home from Uni reading the book as i was walking and when i hit the part with the red wedding i was stopped dead in my tracks. I must have read and re-read those pages over and over again in pure shock, I stood completely still for perhaps 20 minutes trying to process what had just happened.
That was heartbreaking seeing Pudgys reaction. This episode leaves you completely broken. Few shows have achieved that. They make you love the characters you bam. It's devastating. The writing achieved something pretty rare. Enjoying this journey with the best reaction channel on TH-cam. Love your content.
I've been waiting for this moment since I discovered the channel just a few episodes into season 1. I absolutely love this story and I have to take a second to appreciate both of you for how insightful you both have been on this journey. It's fun to watch y'all figure out what's happening with everything. I really appreciate how much y'all get the story and how excited you get. Watching Pudgey fall in love with Robb and Talisa More and more over time leading up to this episode was heartbreaking but really great to watch. We all feel for both of you right now. I can't wait to see y'all get through the end of season 4. Keep up the good work!
@@SpartanandPudgey I won't say it's easy to move on from here, but the story has a way of just pushing on and drawing you right back in! I think y'all will enjoy!
@@reyjr2460 A Song of Ice and Fire has POV characters from almost every major house (or someone connected to them) in the books. It’s an enormous story much bigger than a focus on one house. Though 4/6 of the Stark children, Catelyn, and Ned all have POV chapters - Bran is even the very first chapter. The Lions, the Wolves, and the Dragons are by far the center of the story.
As to why Rob may seem so “unguarded”. The books do a better job of introducing the covenant of “guest right” where once your guest has been offered bread and salt they are guaranteed safety. The Freys offered bread and salt to the Starks so it is also seen as a promise under the gods that no harm will come to them. I’ve been awaiting this episode, and it has been great to watch the show again with you both! I look forward to your reactions for the next seasons!
@@jwc7215 In the books there's quite a bit of foreshadowing for the Red Wedding (subtle of course, and something you'll probably only realise on a re-read), but the most prominent one comes from a Dany chapter, where she has a vision of it during her time in the House of the Undying, “Further on she came upon a feast of corpses. Savagely slaughtered, the feasters lay strewn across overturned chairs and hacked trestle tables, asprawl in pools of congealing blood. Some had lost limbs, even heads. Severed hands clutched bloody cups, wooden spoons, roast fowl, heels of bread. In a throne above them sat a dead man with the head of a wolf. He wore an iron crown and held a leg of lamb in one hand as a king might hold a sceptre, and his eyes followed Dany with mute appeal.” The only line that we get that might paint Walder Frey with some suspicion is in Catelyn's chapter before the Red Wedding, where Walder Frey says, “We’ll have music, such sweet music, and wine, heh, the red will run, and we’ll put some wrongs aright.”
So let me explain this brilliant episode: 1. The reason Catelyn was so on edge was because the song they were playing was “The Rains of Castamere”, which you guys had mentioned at the beginning of the episode. It had to do with the battle that the house had lost to the Lannister, and so when Catelyn heard it, she knew something was wrong. 2. The reason why Robb wasn’t fully surrounded by men is because most were dining outside and were drunk from the festivities. There is this old tradition in Westeros that says when someone breaks bread in your home (dines) they are now under your protection, and so Robb and his bannermen didn’t have a reason to suspect that Walder Frey would ever do something so atrocious. 3. In the books, Greywind (Robb’s direwolf) was massively mistrustful of the Freys because he could sense something was about to happen and the Freys asked Robb to cage him. Because Robb had already disrespected the Freys he decided to just do what he was told because he didn’t want to be seen as further disrespectful. 4. If you remember when Karstark was about to die, he looked to Robb and told him “You lost the war the day you decided to marry that girl”. This is the most telling line that led up to this episode in my opinion. 5. Roose Bolton, (the one who Catelyn slapped because she realized he was in battle gear), is a Stark bannerman. So the fact that he was a part of this betrayal, not only to Rob but his fellow countrymen, is massive! But… Robb did break his oath first which goes back to what Spartan had mentioned a few episodes back about setting a good example Lastly, Spartan in the House Stark shirt was just too good 😂
What Catelyn noticed was that Roose Bolton was wearing chainmail under his tunic. You only wear that if your going to be fighting. Also, the Rains of Castemere is a Lannister song.
This is what makes GOT such epic storytelling. The good guys don't always win, and as we get further into the story the bad guys aren't all bad, and the good guys aren't all good. Keeps you guessing! Love your reactions guys keep them coming!
In case you guys are wondering, the thing that made lady stark slap the Bolton was him wearing armour in a wedding. Oh and essentially Robb's whole army was outside but they were outnumbered by the Bolton's and Frey's soldiers. Loved your reactions so much!!
Maybe one of the reasons the Red Wedding has come as such a surprise is that today we do not consider vows and oaths as important as they used to be. In medieval times (from which GoT gets much of its customs and traditions), oaths were sacred. In 16th century England, the punishment for treason (so the betrayal of a sacred oath to the King) was death (a very painful and gruesome death if you were a commoner, beheading if you were highborn). Also, Catelyn made sure that the first thing they did when they arrived at the Twins was to eat bread and salt, which put them under the protection of guest right. This tradition has its roots in premodern history, where breaking it was up there with matricide and patricide in terms of severity. It is even maintained today in some formal occasions! Usually people eat together and that initiates guest right, but she wanted to be sure it started as soon as possible. Once that happens, the guest is under the host's protection. It was unthinkable to get attacked at the dinner table, at a wedding feast that was supposed to bring the families together and unite them. Finally, I find it interesting that you both admire the honorable men, even those honorable to a fault (like Ned Stark), but at the same time don't seem to grasp the enormity of Robb's breaking his sacred vow. His mother swore on the old Gods and the New that he would marry one of Frey's daughters. They're not just words! Really looking forward to seeing the next episode, you're doing an incredible job! It would be nice to see you react to the Rains of Castamere song, with all the lyrics, so that you can understand why it is a Lannister song and thus why Catelyn was so worried when she started hearing it played in the banquet hall.
I used to be moved by the Red Wedding, but I've seen so many reactions by now, i just start cackling like an evil madman when I see people's faces of horror.
Now y’all are a man & woman of winter like the rest of us! 😂😂😂 I remember my tears were so hot from anger. I wasn’t even sad, just so angry. Tywinn was really masterful tho, knowing Bolton’s ambition and Frey’s pettiness to manipulate them to make this happen. Keep watching tho! There’s 4 more seasons of this rollercoaster ride!
2 or 3 episodes ago Spartan made a comment somewhere along the lines of "I've come to accept it, that's just Game of Thrones". I knew this episode was looming and all I could think was, oh you poor sweet summer child.
37:48 Robb actually came with a great force. Most of them were outside. The thing is, all the Frey men were instructed not to drink, and to let all the Stark & Tully men get drunk, so they wouldn't be able to fight well.
Robb stark was really awesome character and cool honest dude. But to be honest the red wedding wasn't out of nowhere and could have been avoided if Robb didn't do such dumb decisions, they are few but sadly the biggest impact of decisions was where he chose poorly. This are his biggest mistakes. 1. He didn't marry with the freys which he promised, and he knows the Freys don't have good reputation. Result, well red wedding. 2. Letting his mom Catelyn around camp when he knows how desperate she has become to save the children no matter what. Result Jaime is set free. 3. Executing the Karstark and losing one of their strongest houses with soldiers and numbers. 4. Not a big decision but could have helped in the war alot. When Edmure Tully and Robb argues and Robb is angry because Edmure attacked the mountain before he should have. Well Robb had a brilliant strategy but not telling your commanders and captains your overhaul plan and how you wan't it done is just big dumb move by Robb. If he just told Edmure that he should stay garrison and not attack the mountain because he wanted them to draw out in the west to have better ground, then Edmure would have followed that. But ofcourse Edmure doesn't follow the plan, because he was never told of the plan in the first place.
Congratulations on making it to the Red Wedding episode!! I remember reading A Storm of Swords and threw my book across the room!! They adapted it beautifully!!
@@ben1ben2ben1 Arguably no since they don't gut a pregnant woman in the book, though the inclusion of Cat's internal monologue does add a nice amount of wanting to scream.
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The author seems to hate the idea of a happily ever after .
He often spoke of how much he despised the happy ending to lord of the rings
Fact: this particular episode has a 9.9/10 rating on imdb out of 100k ratings. Perfect proof that good TV is appreciated regardless of how much you hate the outcome of the story. The fan in me gave it a 1 star rating when first seeing it, but then once the heat of the moment passed, I understood and changed it to a 10.
If you rewatch HotD now, you’ll notice in the last episode how someone says “there has never lived a Stark who forgot an oath” well Robb was the first one and seems karma treated hom good
Just so you know "Rains of castamere" is a Lannister song which why Cat has that face on why they're playing it...
@@drrohanjacob It's based on a real historical event called the black dinner in Scotland. He tries to write stuff that seems like real events. He's also joked about having a meteor hit Westeros, killing everyone.
THIS IS THE EPISODE EVERYONE HAS BEEN WAITING FOR YOU TO REACT
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Everyone indeed lol
100% it is a gutpunch!
FAAAAAAAACTS
LMFAO yuppp 😈
The Stark shirt. The energy drink being called “Mother”. Her excitement for Robb and Talisa. This is just perfect.
omg the Mother drink totally slipped past me nooooooo these poor people
This reaction made me feel like such a villain 😈😂
Somebody couldn't stage this if they thought about it
I have to admit, when I saw the shirt I laughed villainously 🤣😭
I haven’t even seen the reaction yet and I’m cracking up at all of their talking points about finally getting a stark reunion/talisa&robb/house stark loyalty it’s gonna be brutal
"this is not a show this is just a horror story" 💀
the contrast of Pudgey bawling her eyes out and Spartan just pissed off was perfect
When I was watching them, for some strange reason, the words of Ramsay Snow in 3x06 came to mind:
"If you think this has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention."
I had the same reaction as Spartan.
Ugh, Ramsay. Somehow don’t think he is the voice of the narrative. That line also seems far too modern.
@@HuntingViolets - Humans have been telling stories for tens of thousands of years.. you really think the concept of a 'happy ending' is modern?
As for your questioning of it being Ramsay saying it :- th-cam.com/video/FT4_Fefew78/w-d-xo.html
That was literally the shared emotion millions of people had after the show too. lol
Spartan bringing out his Stark shirt for the first time in the episode where the Starks get massacred has got to be some sort of cosmic irony
The universe *loves* cosmic irony.. haven't you noticed that yet?
@Justin Freitag *"everything is just as likely as everything else"*
Not so.. the likelihood that a certain orange-skinned baboon will ever be elected to the US presidency again, is so close to zero that it doesn't matter. Accordingly, it follows that your argument is invalid. 😉
Im laughing my ass off at this comment, you are so right 😭
Pudgey : "I think I'm going to cry this episode"
Everyone: the time has arrived 😵
When she said that the scene with Jim Carrey in Me Myself and Irene. When Irene pulls out the bottle of liquor and Jim just does that really corny "Ohhhh man.....ooohhhhhhh boy." With that smile of delighted trepidation.
Pudgy: "I think I'm going to cry this episode!"
Me: "I think you are too!"
Little Ned got a taste of the blade just like old Ned 🥰
Yep, we've all been waiting for them to see this episode. Give it time to settle. I didn't think you'd be upset with the viewers but you've got to work through your emotions.
Poor Pudgey. I cried for two days.😭
This episode is important because it establishes that actions have consequences, even for the "good" guys. Robb broke his oath to marry Frey's daughter, which from Frey's perspective is a huge betrayal, considering his daughter would have been Queen in the North. A marriage pact to Catelyn's brother is not at all equivalent to the original deal, and was probably seen as a huge insult to Frey. The extent of Frey's revenge is brutal, but it makes sense for the story. It's also morbid irony, as the Starks, who hold honor and loyalty above all else, are brought down by their own dishonorable actions, in a horribly dishonorable event.
yep Rob and his crap decisions.
Excellent breakdown.
that’s why in the books the story of robb and jane makes sense, he sleeps with her so he have to marry her (for honer), in the show he just falls in love with talisa and breaks the oath just like that for nothing barely
Robbie is dumb for only thinking for himself.
After that betrayal, he still dare to show his face in feint of Freys. He's asking for the mess in plain sight.
This is such nonsense and yet always brought up to defend consequences. It matters nothing that Robb gave his word for a marriage, the marriage was in exchange for getting free passage. There still was a marriage, the Starks kept their word and Robb dared to think of his own personal freedom. All this carnage for a slight. It's not, all this shows is how cruel and bestial Walder Frey is, and how much gold can buy. The Boltons' leader and the Freys' leader are very simply scum. It amuses me when people ramble on about broken promises of Starks or whatnot, in the end it it's always the evil satisfaction of putting good and righteous people under your boot.
This episode highlights the difference between Jon and Robb , while rob chose love over his duty to honor his oath , Jon chose his duty to the night's watch over his love for yggrite . Love is the death of duty is a constant theme in the game of thrones universe .
sorta rings hollow when you realize Robb could have easily loved Talisa but kept her safe and alive while he still followed through with his oath. Literally just felt too invincible and thought he could do anything he wanted - his hubris was the real death of his duty, not his love
@@itsame_kevtell me about Tyrion and Shae later when you realise how stupid your comment was.
@@chrisking6667 Tyrion wasn´t a king, nothing to compare, two totally different situation, OP is right.
@@chrisking6667 Yes, tell us about the apples when the oranges arrive later. /s WTF dude?
@@itsame_kev In the books his wife (Jeyne) survives as she is not the Wedding - the point is still the same. The quote isn't "love is the death of your loved one" it's "love is the death of duty".
Robb's love for Talisa led to him failing in his duty as king. And if you're suggesting that he could have kept her as a mistress and married a Frey anyway, I think you don't understand his character at all.
Robb and Jon’s story in this episode act as mirror images of each other. Both had to choose between duty/honor and love. Robb chose love over his oath to the Freys, and this is where it ended up. As painful as Jon leaving Ygritte to return to the watch was, he chose his honor and his Nights Watch vows over his love. It also mirrors Ned’s choice between keeping his honor or proclaiming Joffrey as legitimate to protect Sansa in S1E9. When Starks choose love over honor, this is what happens
Nicely put. Love is the death of duty...
nicely put 👍
One could also argue that Ned’s insistence on Honor is what brought the Starks into this whole Mess into the first place but I get what you mean.
@@lordstarwars2214 Good point. Although the last time we saw him Ned died not for honor but cause he wanted to protect his kids. I noticed that on the show so far it happens often where characters fall when they go away from what defines them. Ned put his honor aside for one time and got killed. The arrogant Jaime decided to be honorable and lost his hand because of it. Theon chose to be a "man"(of course in a misguided way) and got betrayed and captured and tortured.
Wow, I've seen this show a million times over the years and never put that together! That makes perfect sense...great insight!
I felt so bad for Pudgey cuz she was so happy throughout the episode. This episode breaks everyone's hearts and expectations. It's horrible.
Right, i was on edge for her the whole episode
unfortunately the red wedding is the consequences of robb's careless actions, but damn im so glad you finally made it to this episode. This episode and Ned's death changed television as a whole(for better and worse)
"In the game of throne, you win or you die."
What did Robb actually think was going to happen?
The whole premise of the show is "do something stupid and see what happens".
Nobody is safe. Nobody.
And not only television, but TH-cam as well. There were far fewer reaction channels before Game of thrones. But people who had read the books knew what is going to happen and filmed their friends reactions, and they become hugely popular. After this episode a loads of new reaction channels were born.
@@Tyrisalthan well, not right after, but yes, most of the oldest one, I mean the old ones that started with GoT and we all knew their names since there was few of them, started with s5 (not talking about the ones who were catching up and caught up, like Jimmy Macram, one of the first "catchers", during s6). Some mavericks did start with s4, but back then it was What the Flick (RIP) reviews for s3, they were one of the first who started, alongside BW (on their old channel) and Talking Thrones (remember when Normies called themselves that)
@@matiaspincheira7571 I would consider this as a pretty big spoiler, if I was reacting to this show for the first time.
The consequences of Robb's actions and others around him. Putting the full blame on a teenager that had this huge responsibility as King in the North placed on him isn't fair. Others also share the blame for the red wedding. His mum, Edmure, Rickard Karstark
Pudgey’s excitement going into this one is heartbreaking
Yes, I am SO tense watching the intro discussion.
Listening to them talk about how it might be a sad ending, how she loves robb and talisa, how they want arya to go back to robb is just so weird especially knowing what happens
I know right?! The way she was wanting Arya to show up at the wedding, I was shaking my head like, no you do not want her there.
@@XicD - I know.. I loved how excited she'd gotten when she remembered that Talisa was pregnant.. and at the same time I was thinking "Ohhh, boy... she is NOT gonna take this well..."
“I just hope one of them doesn’t die, because they promised each other that they’ll go to Volantis together.” Well, that unfortunately didn’t age well for you Pudgey💀
“The Rains of Castemere” is the Lannister’s song, it’s specifically Tywin’s calling card because it’s about how he completely wiped out one of his vassal houses trying to rise up against him
They know that. They said it themselves DUH
It's not the Lannister song.
@@MFBloosh what is it if not the Lannister’s song?
@@MFBloosh Yes it is...
@@akimbofresh8109 they didn't know that while watching the episode
Robb had his army. But a large chunk of his army was Bolten men. They also made sure Robb's loyal men got drunk during the feast while the Frey and Bolten men stayed sober
Robb also had lost a ton of men over time - some left when the Greyjoys started attacking the North, some left over the Karstark beheading, some left when he married Talisa/Jeyne.
Well there is also the fact the Boltons are historically long time enemies of the Starks, so I bet it felt good for Roose to kill Robb that way. and Robb was sorta stupid to piss of the Karstarks when he executed their lord. So in hindsight, Robb was a victim of his youth and bad mistakes, and bad blood within the two northern families. Tywin is a military genius in that regard. He knew were to play the game in this regard.
There's also the guest thing. One of the top three unforgivable actions in Westeros is to kill a guest welcomed into your home. Robb had every reason to think they were safe. The other two unforgivable actions are killing family and killing an envoy.
@@alexbeardsley751 he was stupid to even not marry the freus which he promised.
@@TheRealRealMClovin that was a mistake due to his youth. Don't forget Robb Stark is like 16ish when the war of the five kings is happening, so his ignorance played a fatal factor in his decision making. I agree, Robb should have kept his promise, in the show Lord Frey's daughter was quite attractive. But the reputation of his ugly daughters definitely made Robb feel weird.
The most evil line ever written- "Don't you want to teach little Ned Stark to ride horses?"
Tywin on Rob:-
"He is a boy who never lost a battle. He'll risk anything & everything. Because he doesn't know enough to be afraid"
To me this perfectly sums up Rob's decision making leading up to this brutal event.
He sucks at decision making. He lost the war when he married Talisa and beheaded Lord Karstark. His mum letting Jamie go was the final punch. lmao
@@patrick7142 catelyns decisions led to both ned and robs death... Although both of them were naive especially rob
@@patrick7142 absurd. if he married the frey girl, he still had no chance and was going to be slaughtered. he lost when both baratheon brothers went down and theon took winterfell
@@harshg1536 absurd. catelyns decisions and advice would have saved them both. robb died largely through no fault of his own. it was more things like Renly's death and theon's betrayal
In the end he's just a teenager.
And making of one of the most greatest battle commander.
The way Spartan shot his hateful eyes through the screen at us…I felt that! I’m sure you realize all of us have been waiting for you two to get to this episode. We are sick people. However, welcome to the club. Now you know how we all felt. This remains the most heartbreaking episode on television.
It’s definitely up there BUT an equivalent one on Walking Dead comes to mind. I don’t want to spoil it but that made me stop watching the show for like 3 years 😂
@@dillonnagel7596walking dead was not comparable in terms of how well got was written especially at this point. But it was a horrible scene too.
@@jacobrayner6985 that’s subjective. It depends on how invested you were with the characters. I thought Rob was weak. I hated Catelyn. The wife wasn’t on the show long enough to be super relevant to me…. BUT the character in The Walking Dead I loved and I was not expecting it to be him AT ALL. Especially the way they cut to the scene. I don’t want to go into too much detail because of the spoilers but like I said it’s all subjective.
@@dillonnagel7596 it is all definitely subjective, but I do think more people on average were more attached to the got characters than the wd characters and would agree the writing was better (just off of reviews etc). But it is all a subjective experience, I couldn’t stand the wd writing personally I thought it felt so drawn out and I never felt attached to any of them.
"There's no reason that had to happen." Unfortunately this is a world where when people make bad decisions, they pay for it. We're just used to watching movies and shows where the heroes get saved all the time. It's a complete shock the first time seeing it. But when rewatching the show, it's obvious this was coming. Loved the reaction! We were all as angry as you were when we saw it the first time!
Well, SPOILER.........
At least until season 6 were the characters started getting rewarded for their stupidity
Exactly, this is what made this show the best. Every action, every plan, every scheme and discussion has a consequence, good or bad; a ripple effect that affects not only the characters who make them but other characters and their own plans and how they adapt and change to this new information they learn or affected them.
Yeah Robb makes clear missteps throughout his campaign.
@@ben1ben2ben1 you're right. My point applies more to when they were adapting the books
@@ben1ben2ben1 - Hmm.. temporarily, perhaps. I'd say that mostly, they paid for it.
This episode is literally what reacting is about. Book readers sneakily filmed the reactions of their show watching friends to capture their reaction and posted it online. And that launched the whole TH-cam reacting scene.
TRUE !
Arguably, this episode launched reaction videos on youtube
Oh wow! I didn't know that
Spot on... it's what got me hooked on reactions. There had been a few channels doing watchalongs, but this is the episode that made people realize that reactions pulled in views.
Yes.
I understand why Spartan would be disgusted and pissed off, but as you cool off I hope you can appreciate the brilliance of this episode. The red wedding in the show is a pretty faithful adaptation of how it goes down in the book and it's probably the most shocking turn of events in the entire GoT. It's a wonderful depiction of how each bad decision a person in power makes can have catastrophic results. Robb kind of brought that fate upon himself by marrying Talisa (Jeyne in the books) and disrespecting the Freys. They were very naive to think Walder Frey was just going to let that go. Of course nobody could've predicted the betrayal of the Boltons, but that's also a part of a bigger storyline. As tragic and shocking as it was, it was kind of necessary to push some other storylines forward. Think about it - from now on, especially for Sansa and Arya, it's not about being returned to their mother/brother anymore. They have to find their own paths now.
Also, you have to give it to GRRM - killing off POV characters is a very bold move. But he makes it work every time.
Robb was also told "you lost this war when you married her"
Very well said. I've been watching nearly one of the Reaction vids a day, until catching up to this episode. took nearly 2 weeks to be ready to watch their reaction, just knowing what was coming.
@@Garudius same, was postponing this for like a week and even then I watched this in 3 parts... knowing what was coming, it was so stressful and sad to see them being happy and naive through the whole episode having no clue about what was coming...
This is how most people felt after first watching it, but over time you come to realise it was one of the greatest episodes in the history of television. GRRM takes inspiration from real historical stories, and history is very bloody indeed.
The blade cares none about who is right and who is wrong, who is good and who is evil.
It was late here in Italy, I was watching it on streaming, kids were sleeping and I was screaming and crying the heck out of my soul ❤🥲🥲👌
peak GOT
It proved that no one is really safe, and "main characters" aren't exempted to death. In fact, it can be said that there's no real main characters at all, and they're all don't split between good guys and bad guys. Just like in history, the opposing sides are just a matter of perspective, they're all villains to each others' eyes.
So many good payoffs later….
Spartan mentioned that Rob simply broke one promise and was devastated for it. Yes, and he was warned repeatedly by multiple people that marrying her was a fatal mistake. Cat tried to warn him multiple times. Bolton warned him, and Lord Karstark (before he killed those boys and got executed) told Robb straight up "you lost this war the moment you married her". Everyone knew and tried to tell him, he just didn't want to listen.
Robb's biggest mistake was sending Theon to treat with his father. It led to losing Winterfell and, in turn, losing a lot of power and respect in his army. In the books, his marriage with Jeyne Westerling likely never would have happened if he hadn't been grieving for Bran and Rickon's "deaths."
@@jcompton8507 true and yet lots of people within his army sort of screwed Robb over too. Mistakes were made everywhere. Roose was also just all about himself. And you know who, not Theon, but "the boy" in the series up to now torturing him destroyed all hope within winterfell.
@@Zeke1379 What the show doesn't ever mention is that the Starks and Boltons have thousands of years of "history." Around the time of the original Long Night, the Boltons were Kings in their own right called the "Red Kings." And their biggest rivals were the "Kings of Winter" from House Stark. It's only in the last thousand years or so that House Bolton surrendered to the Starks. And, as we all know, "The North Remembers." The Starks and Boltons have always been uneasy allies.
@@jcompton8507 Yes and he was warned against that as well. Cat releasing Jaime obviously didn't help either. I would argue that Baelon would have attacked the north regardless of whether Theon went to meet him.
@@mking1982098 - I agree with you about Baelon. The dwellers on the Iron Islands were opportunists and raiders by nature. "Never let a crisis go to waste" might almost be the alternate words of House Greyjoy.
Spartan really wearing his house Stark shirt for the first time for this episode was hilarious to me. Rob wasn’t even one of my favs but this ep broke me when I watched it first and didn’t think I’ll ever continue watching GoT again 🥲🤣 Also I was crying with Pudgey up until at the end Spartan said “I’m trying to focus on the scene and all I hear is you whimpering” 😭😭🤣
Seeing the Stark t-shirt at the beginning... I didn't know if I wanted to laugh or cry 🥲
You two perfectly represent two main reactions after this episode - sadness and ugly crying vs utter disbelief and anger lmao
I'm never going to get tired watching people react to the Red wedding
It's said that it was this episode the one who started the whole 'reaction' thing over the internet. Readers of the books knew what was coming, and recorded their family and friends watching it for the first time, it became a great success. So, Spartan and Pudgy, you owe to this GOT episode that you have a reaction channel now! We do suffer with every new watcher of this horrendous disaster.
@@aaronia8092 I definitely wouldn't be surprised if this is true
You are evil and I'm with you. 🤣
@@aaronia8092 I think you might be correct. I can't remember watching reaction videos to anything before 2016. It started for me by watching these GOT reactions. Then I started seeing people react to movies and it just evolved from there.
@@aaronia8092 Incorrect, reaction videos have been around before game of thrones - game of thrones merely made it popular to make reactions and it became a household thing to sit together every sunday to watch it. Reactions on youtube have been around for far far longer.
I love how Roose Bolton's "the lanisters send their regard" is a callback to when Jaimie told roose to tell Robb that the lanisters send their regards. Watching the show back it becomes painfully clear that this plan was going to happen to robb
Exactly. It was so obvious even when Roose send Jaime back to his father rather than to Robb.
In the books, Bolton said “Jaime Lannister sends his regards!”.
Exactly when i first watched that. I was like wtf man. I feels empty and hopeless.
And after hotD.
I decided to rewatch got.
And in ep 7 jaime said these words and robb plans to attack casterly rock is pretty much stupid. I was like "y i did not catch these details at the first time ".its fun to rewatch got.
its thanks to good editing in the reactions that it looks that way too
I think that Jaime was just "mocking" Roose for betraying Robb, not that he knew the plan is set
The fact that we care this much about these characters is what makes this show so great. It's a tough episode, but it makes us cherish the ones we still have moving forward.
I felt bad for Pudgey. At the beginning of the episode she was all happy seeing the romance between Robb and Talisa. And I knew what would come next. That's how I felt too. I liked them both a lot. It's heartbreaking.
I was like poor Pudgey, she's setting herself up for a major let down.
That wasn’t a cuff link that you saw on Roose Bolton’s arm. It was chain mail. No one wears chain mail to a wedding unless they're a guard, so when Catlyn heard the Lannister song and then saw the chain mail, she put 2 and 2 together.
Yeah. Not sure how they came up with cufflink 😅.
It was mail (armor), which is suspicious because it'd be like someone wearing a bulletproof vest to your birthday party 😂
The Rains of Castamere...
Sandor is a true knight. Though Arya threatened to murder him, he still protected her.
Just don't call him a knight to his face.
"Is that what you're doing? Protecting her?"
"Aye. That's what I'm doing."
When Catelyn lifted up Roose Bolton’s sleeve that was chain mail concealed under his clothing, which made her realize he was dressed in armor. Since they are at a wedding that was meant to be a brokerage of peace, she instantly knew this was not the norm and something horrible was planned.
Also "The Rains Of Castamere" playing ...
Yeah that would be like wearing a bullet proof vest to the BBQ.
@@Blafard666 Rains of Castamere
@@rolynik You are right ! I corrected it ...
And not drinking at all.
Couldn't stop laughing at Spartan's T-shirt. Im happy he addressed it. He was fully decked out ready to support his favorite team and then the star quarterback just kicks the bucket :D.
Wearing a stark shirt on this episode is peak comedy.
@@Marco-vw3mv As an Eagles fan, I'm so annoyed the 49ers lost both of their QBs. I wanted to beat them at full strength.
followed by everyone else on the team as well. freak accident, the plane carrying the entire team crashed.
he chose the worst day ever to wear that shirt lol
@@Straddllw Not the entire team. Sansa, Arya, Bran, and Rickon are still going, and Jon plays for their team too.
Pudgey was so happy in the beginning, and I was honestly dreading seeing her reaction to the red wedding.
The red wedding is one iconic episode. I'm sure most of us couldn't wait for your reaction to it. Remember we all were where you are now, having our hearts ripped out.
I heard this episode started reaction channels as we know them
@@MrKingYuji Yeah. People that knew how gut wrenching the episode was started filming friends and family while they watched it for the first time and posted their reactions on social media. From there reaction channels took off.
the reason Robb didn't have more soldiers with him is that he thought they were safe under "guest right"
under this custom, once someone has eaten food from the host, guest right is invoked and neither the guest nor the host can harm each other
it's an extremely strong custom in the north and the idea that anybody would break it is unthinkable
Well done to you both. The Red Wedding wasn't just done for TV drama, this happened in the show because... that's what happens in the books. However take solace, you are no longer 'Sweet Summer Children', you are 'Winter Warriors' and fully immersed in the Great Game and the Great Game is terrifying. You were warned about this show (as best as could be without spoiling) and also told by many that it will be a roller-coaster, which means there are ups aswell as downs. Don't be disheartened, the ups will be worth the downs, truly they will, and you will be grateful you played the Game. There is still so much to root for and enjoy. "Starks Forever!"
Well, to be fair, while Red Wedding does happen in the book, there is a small detail I think is worth mentioning . Pregnant Talisa(Maegyr) Stark does not get repeatedly stabbed in her stomach simply because there is no Talisa in the books. Robb's wife from the books, Jeyne Westerling is not even present at the Twins when it happens, so it is the truth that show even left some of the book readers in disbelief a little bit. I knew the Red Wedding would happen eventually, but when I figured out that in the show Robb's pregnant wife will be involved, I was like "for the fuck's sake, I thought this particular scene can't get any more savage." xD
Rains of Castamere is an unofficial lannister anthem. If you remember the story Cersei told Margaery, about House Reyne and how they got slaughtered because they rebelled against Tywin, that's what the song is about and it explains why Catelyn gets worried when she hears it being played. It was sort of dark foreshadowing about what was going to happen to Robb's party.
Regardless of the meaning behind the song, it's a Lannister song, period. Hearing your enemy's song at a wedding hosted by someone you think is your ally would raise anyone's eyebrow.
House Reyne*
It's basically Tywin's victory song- detailing his most infamous act of violence, ever. Why would your ally play that at your uncle's wedding? If the men were not so drunk, they should all have had their hackles raised.
Official*
In the books iirc it's explained that the music players were very bad, and music sounded not too good. It's then revealed that they were archers, ready to kill the Stark party from their advantage point above the hall, when it was the time for it. The song "Rains of Castamere" was the signal to begin the massacre.
Tywin writing letters the whole season got us to this.
War is so much more than armies and battles.
My love to you both. I loved watching your reactions, you seem like great people.
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congratulations to everyone for not spoiling this show its refreshing being able to see these guys react years after its release
Exactly a fresh reaction is fun. Everyones already seen it or heard of it and has been spoiled in some way
@@XicD there's [at least] a handful of GOT reactors still so, not everyone. 🙃
I really found it hilarious how optimistic these two were about the Starks reuniting.😂
Reading the red wedding chapter from caitlyn's perspective while listening to "rains of castamere" is an amazing experience, literal chills every the time
Pudgey literally just went through all 7 stages of grief by the end of the video 😆😆.. It's a long journey Pudgey & Spartan and "The night is dark and full of terrors"
There are only five stages of grief but pudgey may have invented an extra 2. Some of these commenters are sadistic. Seeing how much Pudgey liked Talisa and Robb, I was not looking forward to this episode.
@@chimpymcmonkey5402 Agreed, I get that normally this is THE episode to see reactions for, but with these two I was dreading to see it through. Just happy to see a bit of smiling and banter towards the end of the outro.
@@chimpymcmonkey5402 it’s not sadistic people literally watch the channel for reactions. If they showed no emotion nobody would even watch
@@chimpymcmonkey5402 The complete process consisted of shock, denial, anger, bargaining, depression, testing, and acceptance... Regardless it's a joke..
@@chimpymcmonkey5402 the '5 stages of grief' is not a hard fact, just a useful framework for understanding the grieving process. there can be 4 stages, 1 stage, 7 stages depending on the person and how they process
Pudgy went from bawling to hysteric laughter then back to heartbreak meanwhile Spartan was in denial for most of it lmao ya'll didn't disappoint!! Hang in there guys, we've all been through this too and it can't get any worse than this right?? Lolol
I don't recall my initial reaction other than utter shock but there is a point in watching it where it's so sadistic that you can't help by hysterically laugh. Some people get to it on later re-watches but Pudgy seemed to experience these emotions faster, haha. The whole buildup and payoff was fantastically horrific.
I see what you did. That's cruel. Lol
@@TheRoyalFino That happened to me on a recent watch!!! I was almost laughing at like the thought of me realizing even more how awful and messed up it is even after my initial reaction of utter shock 😅
I remember the silence after the last scene. No music. Everyone around the world just screaming or stunned.
I feel so bad for being excited for this reaction, because I already knew it would make pudgey ugly cry 😭
Not me hahaha im so happy this is happening
Same! Lol. Poor Pudgey. 💔
Everytime pudgy gushed over Rob and his lady I'm like " yeah wait till you see what happens to rob for not carrying out his duty"
"Kill me and be cursed, you're no king of mine" - Rickard Karstark, right before his execution. You can't say they didn't warn Robb that he was going down a dangerous path that was leading him to the same dead end as his Pappy.
I think you lost this war the day you married her- Karstark
Catelyn also warned him...many times. She warned him about Theon. She warned him about breaking his oath to Walder Frey. She warned him about killing Karstark. All three times, Robb ignored her and all three warnings led to the death of his family and his men.
Valor Mourghoulis, though
@@user-dh9li7rl3n True enough. But a big reason that she freed Jamie when she did was to protect him from the Karstark men who she feared would kill him. Brienne agreed with her reasoning, and she consented to escort Jamie to KL. But you're quite right that there were many mistakes that led to this slaughter.
Michelle Fairley's blood curdling scream just echoes through my mind every time I think of the Red Wedding. Also Rob's army was there but they were blindsided. In the books they actually put up a bit of a fight but it doesn't change the outcome. Greywind also gets a few kills before he is ultimately put down. It's so tragic.
Every time Pudgey said she likes Talisa and Robb I died a bit inside.
That said, funnily enough, Talisa is a change from the books. In the books Robb marries a girl called Jane Westerling, not out of love, but because he deflowered her when she was taking care of him. He did it for honour. Jane Westerling is also still alive in the books, because the Westerlings are Lannister vassals.
And also, the same witch seen making the prophecy in the teenage Cersei flashback, is also Jayne Westerling’s grandmother. Talisa’s last name in the show, Maegyr, I believe is a homage to this grandmother of Jeyne’s. The Grandmother was called Maggy (Maegi) the Frog, since nobody could pronounce her actual name.
I would add that, Robb married Jeyne Westerling out of his mother's sight and by the time Catelyn knows about it, it's too late. In the series, Catelyn has the chance to tell Robb, he was breaking his oath. In the books and in the series as well, Catelyn can't stand Robb's wife before knowing her, she sees that dishonor in her, the same reminder as Jon was Ned's dishonor to her. Jeyne is alive and kept imprisoned or captive to see if she's actually pregnant of Robb's heir. And talking about heirs, there's a theory that says that, because Robb thought Bran and Rickon were dead, Sansa was married to Tyrion and Arya simply vanished, Robb, secretly, behind his mother's back, had named Jon his heir before a son of his was born.
sometimes you can tell when the red wedding is going to hit certain reactors harder than others... this is one of those times
It's basically depends on how much watchers attached to the certain character. Like for example when ned got beheaded - i was like. Ok. Poor guy. I liked this guy. But he is not my fav.
But when robb got killed.
It's just break my heart. I was broken and just speechless and staring at screen for atleast 2-3 min. After ending to process all this. Because robb is easily my fav. Character at that time.
You knew she would break when she kept getting upset with just Bran and Rickon splitting and her talking about the baby.
Well that's what I hoped for when I was about to watch the video, but she keeps checking her reaction on another monitor in real time while getting shocked and emotional, and it just feels.. different.
@@Noone91875 Yep had it the opposite of you, I was so heartbroken when Ned died, but didn't really care for Rob. Thought it was despicable what happened, but didn't hit as hard as some others were he was their favorite character. My other friend was a big Lanister Fan, and the whole season he was saying that the Lanisters would kick Rob's ass, but even he was shocked at how Rob went out.
@@Dan-gi6tf I didn’t even notice that until you said something lol do you know why ?
lol Spartan we all knew you’d be so pissed 😂 and Pudgey I’m right there with you, all the near misses, especially Arya having to witness so many traumatic events. I violently threw my book across the room when I first read this scene. These characters will stay in your hearts forever. The North Remembers 🐺
Yep, I threw my book too.
Catelyn screaming for her first born like that is burned in my brain. That scream haunted me for months 😢
It's been a while since rereading but iirc in the book she wondered who was screaming and then realizes that it was her as she clawed at her own face in agony. Absolutely brutal chapter.
She died thinking all of her children were dead or unsafe. She gave a phenomenal performance for conveying this & honestly should have gotten an award for the scene
@@metallol5337 My thought exactly
The scream that broke our souls, literally.
Cat was my fav during this episode!! I was right on her back validating her warnings & suspicions to her grief --- yelling at my television. One of the best episodes.
The lannister's send their regards still gives me chills
Gilly told Sam: "You're like a wizard."
Remember? Sam told Jon once that his dream was to become a wizard.
A lot of things led to this happening. Catelyn letting Jamie go. That led to distrust with the Karstarks, a big portion of Rob's army. Which led to the Karstarks killing those Lannister hostages , which Rob responded to by beheading the head of the family effectively losing more than half his forces. Which then forced him to go back to walder Frey despite having broken his oath. So, it might seem like it came from nowhere but there was a lot that led up to it
And the reason Rob didn't go in armed into the Frey's household is because of Guest right. Once you're invited to someone's home, you're supposed to be protected from any harm, that's the rule. Cat and Rob just didn't expect Walder to break that vow because doing so curses your whole family
It started even before that once Rob went against his vows and tywin get pass him in the riverlands and allied with the tyrells and went back to kings landing is when Rob lost and the red wedding was set in motion.
And also Robb breaking his oath to marry a Frey girl in the first place. I always thought that was a selfish decision which showed his immaturity and naïveté about the world he was living in.
@@gwenjackson8583 it's more understandable in the books , first it wasn't some random girl from volantaus but a noble girl from the West, also he got with her because he had sex with her out of greef of the loss of winterfell and the potential death of his 2 brothers , he marries her to maintain her honor which is ment to parralel neds unwavering honor which also got him killed.
@@gwenjackson8583 in the books it wasn't even a love thing. He was very much his father's son and felt that since he had slept with her, he had to wed her. Still, if he had the Karstarks, it wouldn't have been as massive an issue
Lmao i cant stop laughing at Spartans reaction when something messed up happens xD
And the fact he wears a Stark Shirt at the Red Wedding is absolutely hysterical
sorry
I watch a lot of GOT reactions, I don't think I've felt so bad as I did for Pudgey here. I know it's tough right now but please don't give up. There will be other hard moments but there will be crying with joy and stand up and cheer moments also. Love you guys.
Yes! You HAVE to keep going 🥹❤️
Just cheer for Arya
I also watch a lot of GoT reactions, and Pudgey's is the so heart felt. I sent her virtual hugs the entire episode 🤗😢
Another emotional GoT reaction was Calvin on Blind Wave's channel. His was so affected by 3x9 that he wrote a letter and had his viewing partner read it for him before they reacted to 3x10.
What makes this episode so great is that its not out of the blue.. Its hinted at in every episode in season 3. Rob fucked up a lot, and other characters in other parts of the world told stories of how this would unfold. Damn good story telling
You're totally right, in fact it's even hinted by season 2 when Catelyn warned Robb against the betrayal of his marriage engagement to one of Frey's daughter.
For about two episodes we were watching Jamie being treated like a prince and returned to his father, by Rob's people (Bolton's men) and almost no one suspected the betrayal!
This episode is what sparked the whole "reaction" trend on TH-cam. It started when the people, who have read the books, videoed their friends, wives, husbands, whatever reacting to the scene at the end and most videos got so many views, people decided to do reaction channels.
Congrats on not being sweet summer children anymore! This reaction was great, guys. Can't wait for the next one!
One more time...
The first reaction video was not of the red wedding, it was a guy filming his roommate's reaction to Ned's assassination. That was the official start of the genre. The red wedding was the point where it grew and exploded further but it was NOT the start.
@@bryce253 I guess you didn't read my first sentence.
@@bryce253 Well, technically the first reaction video was from a guy videoing his friends' reaction to Princess Diana's death. You can watch it on TH-cam.
@@bryce253 can you link it?
@@bryce253 Beavis & Butthead invented reaction videos.
It feels awful now, and it seems impossible to get over, but when you finish the show and look back on this you realize how necessary it was for 1) the world building 2) establishing consequences and the tone that anyone can suffer the consequences and 3) robs character arc had come to an end, even if it's hard to see at the time. You'll get through it! Great reaction!
The Red wedding is mainly what started the whole reaction trend on TH-cam and RIGHTFULLY SO
I dont agree with that. GOT is more than the Red Wedding.
thats so not true
The book readers knew what was gonna happen and filmed their friends watching this scene
@@befek It is true. This episode started the trend. Not the first to do it.
@@resistencia508 that’s not what they’re saying. The red wedding reactions absolutely started the reaction content trend because it elicits such extreme reactions. No other episode hits this hard. If you don’t realize that, you’re a fool.
It was chilling and heartbreaking in the book when the Freys cut her throat Catelyn thinks "No, don’t, don’t cut my hair, Ned loves my hair." The reason Robb wasn't well guarded was because it is tradition in Westeros that when you invite guests into your home like the Freys did for the wedding that you bring all guests under your protection while in your home. The Freys broke that rule and let's just say it's considered an unforgivable thing to do. The North remembers.
I'm clearly a horrible person because I have big grin plastered across my face seeing this reaction is up.
Same 😂😂
Yep, highlight of my day 😅😅😅
i was uncontrolably laughing all the way
Yep. I was like ohh boy. That was coming.
Lmao same
In 2013 when this was first broadcast millions cried like Pudgey and millions more were angry and in denial like Spartan. I had read the books and this episode "The Red Wedding" was still a shock to me. Great book, great script writing, great acting and great production. Well done Spartan and Pudgey, you two filled all of our anticipation.
Since I first saw the red wedding, whenever I hear a sad violin, my heart is being pierced again and again by that memory. Long live the Starks (well, those still alive) 🐺⚔️.
Sam got what he always wanted being called a Wizard. I love that so much.
This was an absolute masterclass in acting by Michelle Fairley. Honestly one of the best performances I've ever seen on screen, both movie and TV, not exaggerating. I had already read the 3rd book years before the season 3 came out but the way she acted in this episode had even bigger impact for me than reading this chapter for the first time. They absolutely nailed it with the casting in this show.
P.S. Rains of Castamere (name of the episode and the song that was playing) is Tywin Lannister's boss theme, that's why Caitlyn got anxious after hearing it. The song is written about how Tywin literally annihilated the entire noble house pretty much because they were gossiping about his father. The lyrics of this song tells that story.
Yeah, her scream of anguish is chilling every time
I am forever mad she didn't get an Emmy nod for this.
Pudgey : "I think I'm going to cry this episode"
Everyone: the time has arrived
It wasn't that Robb walked in there carelessly- he and his were offered Guest Right, salt and bread: food and drink. When you offer someone guest right that's saying that as long as they're beneath your roof, you won't attack or harm them. Robb had no reason to think anything bad would hapen because this has literally never happened before, it's unheard of and unthinkable to them.
This. It was unheard of for someone to violate guest right. I think the next episode we get a story about that?
@@lynnjohanssen6552 Yes. Thru Bran telling the story of the Rat king. He murdered people under his house. He was turned into a rat by the gods because he violated guest rights, not because he murdered a bunch of people.
For sure I'm in the minority here, but when I first watched this episode I wasn't sad or crying, I was actually very impressed, because finally I got a show where "the main/good guys" aren't always winning, characters pay for their mistakes, and things are generally quite realistic. To me, it absolutely made sense why the Red Wedding happened, and as a history geek, it felt like something straight out of the history book. It made me value the show so much more and hyped me to watch more, because knowing anyone could die, I couldn't predict what is going to happen to the characters.
yes, GRRM is a big history buff and this was inspired by a real event in history that happened
i don't remember what it was but if you look up interviews there are plenty he'll talk about it in
so true 👍
War of the Roses in England I think@@nightfrost1891
I'm with you. When I first watched this ep years ago, I only really felt bad for the Wolf, Cat and Arya. Robb just threw it all away for a pretty face (like the Frey said) and failed to honour his arrangement with them. Frey's daughter to marry a Tully is not even remotely the same as marrying the King in the North. I remember thinking to me that was gonna haunt Robb rather sooner than later, specially when that Kastark guy he killed said he lost the war the moment he married her. Like you said, it made sense that the red wedding happened.
Robb didn't honour his most important arrangement. Frey let him pass the Twins and they won their 1st battle because of it, otherwise they were doomed to lose. Also they captured Jamie thanks to that. And even though Cat later released him, the Boltons caught him. But the Boltons only changed sides when they saw the North was beggining to fall apart after the Kastark execution. If the North stayed united, the Boltons would never change sides.
Plus, that pretty face Talisa knew Robb had an arrangement from the beggining, that he was promised for the Frey daughter and why. Latr, she even said when telling her brother's story that she would never be a nobel lady because of that incident. But when she was faced with marrying the king in the north, she didn't even flinch. Basically Robb and Cat died because of a pretty face, and to be honest, the Frey daughter that would be Robb's new wife was way prettier than Talisa.
@@AllMenMustServe couldn't have said it better myself!
I will NEVER get tired of watching reactions to “The Red Wedding.”
The thing is, Robb DID have like all his best knights and commanders with him, but they were all unarmed. Westeros has this sacred tradition called 'guest right' where once you've invited someone into your hall and given them food, you can never raise a hand against them and they can never raise a hand against you. That's why Robb, Catelyn, and the others made sure to eat that bread once they entered the castle. This is SUCH a sacred tradition that no one expected Walder Frey to sink so low as to break it.
In the show you first hear the full song when Bronn and the Lannister soldiers are singing it right before Blackwater. At the end of Blackwater you hear the marching tune of that song as Tywin makes his legendary entrance in the throne room. Then a whole season later Cersei tells Margaery about the story of House Reyne. The foreshadowing is there in bits and pieces. But everytime so much else is going on it is designed to make those little bits of info feel trivial. Everyone always focus on Joffrey doing something terrible at the Sansa Tyrion wedding, but that one ends up being a red herring. This is the one. "And now the rains weep o'er his hall, with not a soul to hear". System of a Down's Serj Tankian has a live orchestral performance of Rains of Castamere that you can find on youtube. It's so good. It's one of my favorite piece of music from GoT verse.
Nary a hug nor support was given. 😂 Spartan literally just stares 🥴 We definitely all went through this. The anger & despair . Yeah , The Red Wedding is the depths of despair.
I love the parallel for Arya between Cat death and Ned death. Arya tries to 'save' them but each time someone stops her.
would have been suicide anyway
Yes 💔
Poor Pudgey, I knew this episode would break her 😭 keep it up guys, this show still are going to deliver great moments ahead.
Ten years later and these reactions are still gold.
I think we just witnessed the best red wedding reaction ever ❤
I've never re-watched this episode or watched anybody's reaction to it until today. This episode is crushing.
The red wedding is one of the greatest surprise shock moments in media I have experienced in my 33 year life. I was walking home from Uni reading the book as i was walking and when i hit the part with the red wedding i was stopped dead in my tracks. I must have read and re-read those pages over and over again in pure shock, I stood completely still for perhaps 20 minutes trying to process what had just happened.
That was heartbreaking seeing Pudgys reaction. This episode leaves you completely broken. Few shows have achieved that. They make you love the characters you bam. It's devastating. The writing achieved something pretty rare. Enjoying this journey with the best reaction channel on TH-cam. Love your content.
I've been waiting for this moment since I discovered the channel just a few episodes into season 1. I absolutely love this story and I have to take a second to appreciate both of you for how insightful you both have been on this journey. It's fun to watch y'all figure out what's happening with everything. I really appreciate how much y'all get the story and how excited you get. Watching Pudgey fall in love with Robb and Talisa More and more over time leading up to this episode was heartbreaking but really great to watch. We all feel for both of you right now. I can't wait to see y'all get through the end of season 4. Keep up the good work!
Thank you! ❤ hopefully S4 repairs our broken hearts 🤣
@@SpartanandPudgey I won't say it's easy to move on from here, but the story has a way of just pushing on and drawing you right back in! I think y'all will enjoy!
@@SpartanandPudgey Tbf I always thought that Game of Thrones is more about the Lannisters. They really give insight to every single character of them
@@reyjr2460 A Song of Ice and Fire has POV characters from almost every major house (or someone connected to them) in the books. It’s an enormous story much bigger than a focus on one house.
Though 4/6 of the Stark children, Catelyn, and Ned all have POV chapters - Bran is even the very first chapter. The Lions, the Wolves, and the Dragons are by far the center of the story.
As to why Rob may seem so “unguarded”. The books do a better job of introducing the covenant of “guest right” where once your guest has been offered bread and salt they are guaranteed safety. The Freys offered bread and salt to the Starks so it is also seen as a promise under the gods that no harm will come to them.
I’ve been awaiting this episode, and it has been great to watch the show again with you both! I look forward to your reactions for the next seasons!
Based on the ancient law of hospitality, or cumfeorm / xenia.
Mayhaps the books foreshadowed some kind of clue to suspect dishonest behavior from the Frey's in this instance of guest right?
@@jwc7215 In the books there's quite a bit of foreshadowing for the Red Wedding (subtle of course, and something you'll probably only realise on a re-read), but the most prominent one comes from a Dany chapter, where she has a vision of it during her time in the House of the Undying, “Further on she came upon a feast of corpses. Savagely slaughtered, the feasters lay strewn across overturned chairs and hacked trestle tables, asprawl in pools of congealing blood. Some had lost limbs, even heads. Severed hands clutched bloody cups, wooden spoons, roast fowl, heels of bread. In a throne above them sat a dead man with the head of a wolf. He wore an iron crown and held a leg of lamb in one hand as a king might hold a sceptre, and his eyes followed Dany with mute appeal.”
The only line that we get that might paint Walder Frey with some suspicion is in Catelyn's chapter before the Red Wedding, where Walder Frey says, “We’ll have music, such sweet music, and wine, heh, the red will run, and we’ll put some wrongs aright.”
The Show uses Bran's tale of The Rat King to explain it for them
So let me explain this brilliant episode:
1. The reason Catelyn was so on edge was because the song they were playing was “The Rains of Castamere”, which you guys had mentioned at the beginning of the episode. It had to do with the battle that the house had lost to the Lannister, and so when Catelyn heard it, she knew something was wrong.
2. The reason why Robb wasn’t fully surrounded by men is because most were dining outside and were drunk from the festivities. There is this old tradition in Westeros that says when someone breaks bread in your home (dines) they are now under your protection, and so Robb and his bannermen didn’t have a reason to suspect that Walder Frey would ever do something so atrocious.
3. In the books, Greywind (Robb’s direwolf) was massively mistrustful of the Freys because he could sense something was about to happen and the Freys asked Robb to cage him. Because Robb had already disrespected the Freys he decided to just do what he was told because he didn’t want to be seen as further disrespectful.
4. If you remember when Karstark was about to die, he looked to Robb and told him “You lost the war the day you decided to marry that girl”. This is the most telling line that led up to this episode in my opinion.
5. Roose Bolton, (the one who Catelyn slapped because she realized he was in battle gear), is a Stark bannerman. So the fact that he was a part of this betrayal, not only to Rob but his fellow countrymen, is massive! But… Robb did break his oath first which goes back to what Spartan had mentioned a few episodes back about setting a good example
Lastly, Spartan in the House Stark shirt was just too good 😂
😂😂😂😂😂
Thanks for the comment m8, its what everyone wants to say but too lazy to type. XD
On point
#4 and #5 is why I actually see how weak Robb was as a ruler.
Well done.
What Catelyn noticed was that Roose Bolton was wearing chainmail under his tunic. You only wear that if your going to be fighting.
Also, the Rains of Castemere is a Lannister song.
“This is going to be such a good episode I can’t wait” oh you sweet summer child
This is what makes GOT such epic storytelling. The good guys don't always win, and as we get further into the story the bad guys aren't all bad, and the good guys aren't all good. Keeps you guessing! Love your reactions guys keep them coming!
In case you guys are wondering, the thing that made lady stark slap the Bolton was him wearing armour in a wedding.
Oh and essentially Robb's whole army was outside but they were outnumbered by the Bolton's and Frey's soldiers.
Loved your reactions so much!!
He was ready
Maybe one of the reasons the Red Wedding has come as such a surprise is that today we do not consider vows and oaths as important as they used to be. In medieval times (from which GoT gets much of its customs and traditions), oaths were sacred. In 16th century England, the punishment for treason (so the betrayal of a sacred oath to the King) was death (a very painful and gruesome death if you were a commoner, beheading if you were highborn).
Also, Catelyn made sure that the first thing they did when they arrived at the Twins was to eat bread and salt, which put them under the protection of guest right. This tradition has its roots in premodern history, where breaking it was up there with matricide and patricide in terms of severity. It is even maintained today in some formal occasions!
Usually people eat together and that initiates guest right, but she wanted to be sure it started as soon as possible.
Once that happens, the guest is under the host's protection.
It was unthinkable to get attacked at the dinner table, at a wedding feast that was supposed to bring the families together and unite them.
Finally, I find it interesting that you both admire the honorable men, even those honorable to a fault (like Ned Stark), but at the same time don't seem to grasp the enormity of Robb's breaking his sacred vow. His mother swore on the old Gods and the New that he would marry one of Frey's daughters. They're not just words!
Really looking forward to seeing the next episode, you're doing an incredible job!
It would be nice to see you react to the Rains of Castamere song, with all the lyrics, so that you can understand why it is a Lannister song and thus why Catelyn was so worried when she started hearing it played in the banquet hall.
I used to be moved by the Red Wedding, but I've seen so many reactions by now, i just start cackling like an evil madman when I see people's faces of horror.
Im usually crying and cackling at the same time …. Too much emotion to let out just one way
Now y’all are a man & woman of winter like the rest of us! 😂😂😂 I remember my tears were so hot from anger. I wasn’t even sad, just so angry. Tywinn was really masterful tho, knowing Bolton’s ambition and Frey’s pettiness to manipulate them to make this happen.
Keep watching tho! There’s 4 more seasons of this rollercoaster ride!
She was sooo happy at the beginning 🫠🫣😭
You can literally see the light leave Spartan's eyes XD
2 or 3 episodes ago Spartan made a comment somewhere along the lines of "I've come to accept it, that's just Game of Thrones". I knew this episode was looming and all I could think was, oh you poor sweet summer child.
This is the episode that started reactions on yt...all of these years and I still cry at this episode.
You are no longer sweet summer children
37:48 Robb actually came with a great force. Most of them were outside. The thing is, all the Frey men were instructed not to drink, and to let all the Stark & Tully men get drunk, so they wouldn't be able to fight well.
You can see this well in the Telltale game.
Ah the infamous red wedding episode gotta love it
Robb stark was really awesome character and cool honest dude. But to be honest the red wedding wasn't out of nowhere and could have been avoided if Robb didn't do such dumb decisions, they are few but sadly the biggest impact of decisions was where he chose poorly.
This are his biggest mistakes.
1. He didn't marry with the freys which he promised, and he knows the Freys don't have good reputation. Result, well red wedding.
2. Letting his mom Catelyn around camp when he knows how desperate she has become to save the children no matter what. Result Jaime is set free.
3. Executing the Karstark and losing one of their strongest houses with soldiers and numbers.
4. Not a big decision but could have helped in the war alot. When Edmure Tully and Robb argues and Robb is angry because Edmure attacked the mountain before he should have. Well Robb had a brilliant strategy but not telling your commanders and captains your overhaul plan and how you wan't it done is just big dumb move by Robb.
If he just told Edmure that he should stay garrison and not attack the mountain because he wanted them to draw out in the west to have better ground, then Edmure would have followed that.
But ofcourse Edmure doesn't follow the plan, because he was never told of the plan in the first place.
In season 1, Sam tells Jon he wanted to be a wizard 😂. It's a callback when Gilly tells him he's like a wizard 😂
Congratulations on making it to the Red Wedding episode!! I remember reading A Storm of Swords and threw my book across the room!! They adapted it beautifully!!
It was even more fucked up in the book
I threw mine, too! Some of the pages in my book fell out when it hit the wall. The physical reminder of my emotional reaction. Hahaha
@@ben1ben2ben1 Arguably no since they don't gut a pregnant woman in the book, though the inclusion of Cat's internal monologue does add a nice amount of wanting to scream.
Hear hear! I had to stop for a week.