I think it is so cool that you not only have a son that wants to spend time with you and learn, but that you are equally invested in that relationship! Kudos to you Jimmy for being such a great mentor and father figure.
@@scottmoseley5122 the content is even more fun to watch with Silas. It makes me hope that my son will want to throw wrenches at the car(s) with his old man. I'll have to be a little patient, he's just 3 😂
@@dafox0427 it’s super cool to see . So many kids get nose blind to the cool things their parents do just because it’s their parents & their parent can’t possible be “cool” .
Hi Jimmy I hope you get to read this. Firstly I would recommend to get a copy of the Continental M-0 manual, this manual applies to all Continental engines. Secondly you should start your compression test on 20 psi bottom dead center, then the turn the prop to TDC and then apply 80 psi. This is all very well written down in the M-0 Continental maintenance manual. This manual also provides solutions for when you compression is too low. If I remember correctly it advises you to fly the airplane for 2 hours and recheck your cylinder compression afterwards. People throw away Continental cylinders way too fast because they treat it like a lycoming. So please don't give up all hope yet! (This would apply when your rings weren't shattered:) But please, find a copy of the manual :)
I am a sailor and really enjoy the Jimmy Adventure.What is GREAT is that you involve your son.The fact that he is so interested in flying and working with his dad is PRICELESS.
Jimmy I've been working aircraft for a long time I would do a complete tear down clean the block and all oil passage ways take the crank to a engine machinist and have him mic the crank and just replace the lifters and cam it's easier to do it when you have it apart rather than it happening at altitude.
The ring was stuck before you first started the engine. When you hit the starter and forced the engine to rotate it broke the ring. I would suggest in the future you put MM Oil in first, let it sit for a day and then see if you can hand turn the engine. Using the starter can break the rings if they are stuck.
@@desotosky1372 I have seen broken rings but none that were not associated with other failures (piston damage, foreign objects0 and none that didn't also damage the piston itself. I think the stuck compression ring is the real give away here.
Thanks for not scrapping that little Cessna! That put a tear in my eye. The rings broke from starting an engine that had been idle for a long time. If you had continued to run it, those peices would have chewed up your cylinders.
@@paulwright7239 pulling 1 cylinder was enough of a clue the engine need a complete teardown and rebuild. The only thing that should be saved carb mags, the cases crank, and the cylinders might be salvaged.
We share the same philosophy. I say the same thing. If things go South, you're validated, if it turns out well, like you say. . . what a pleasant surprise. Either way you got it.
I watch a lot of stuff about building and repairing, mostly because I enjoy old stuff coming back to life. I'm retired AF and I appreciate airplanes most of all. I admire you for wanting to rescue these old relics, and thanks to you for bringing us along! I hope you son appreciates what he's working with and the fact he has a great dad teaching him! Thanks again, and best of luck on this one.
Wow look at those rings and the walls are still in good shape, that is amazing. it is a good thing the compressing ring was stuck, or you would not have pulled it apart.
This is a great platform to learn about general aviation aircraft maintenance.I'm sure there is more to maintenance but this is informative.Appreciate seeing this.Regards from Canada.
Jimmy, I am subscribing because this is a noble cause. Just like all dogs go to heaven, old planes deserve a second chance. Can't wait for the next episode!
Just for giggles, you should lightly hone those cylinders and put new rigs in it, to see what she does. As clean as those cylinders looked i think they would buff right up, The rings were the main issue, stuck and broken. That cam needs closer inspection, but it may look worse than it is. I'm rooting for ya Jimmy!
As long as the cylinders are in decent shape, don't replace them. Just because a part is new doesn't mean it's flawless. And, just because it's old doesn't make it trash. Otherwise, this looks like a great project for someone looking to get experience toward an A&P license.
restoring a 30 yr old rotorway exec that has stood outside for 5+ yrs. makes your latest project seem showroom fresh. there must be something wrong with me cos i am loving it. your enthusiasm is inspiring, go jimmy!
Even though I am no A & P mechanic, from being a diesel mechanic it looks like the rear cylinders at some point were overheated looking at the pistons.
Hi jimmy it's great to see you finding and fixing airplanes once again PLEASE, don't venture too far away from this activity into the future we need u and your son back again hope sialas has started to a PILOT. So well have you both flying new adventures together. GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY!!! also your extended family... Grizzly and crew
Great video Jimmy, love seeing the beginning of a good restoration! I'm an A&P apprentice and restored a barn find 150 over two years, the engine was definitely the most expensive part. I don't know enough about camshafts, but if there's no corrosion/spalling on the lobes/lifters, it should be ok. If it were my airplane, I'd put new rings in it & fly until metal showed up in the filter. Since you're most likely selling it, it's probably smart to put new pistons and cylinders on. Paint is also a big hurdle - It cost us 10K to have a local paint shop do the 150! Once you get the airplane stripped, make sure you get an IA (or even a DER) to look over the corrosion and treat it. A lot of the stuff on the sides of the fuselage looks surface level, I'd be more concerned about the spar + lift strut attachment points and structural bulkheads. Can't wait to see more!
I enjoy your videos. I am a auto mechanic. The simplicity of the airplanes engines is so fascinating to me. The cost of the parts is amazing though. WOW...
My uncle had a 140 on his farm, loved visiting as a kid because I could never get enough of sitting in it and dreaming, he sold it to a relative that was head of United maintenance in Chicago who intended to restore it, hope he did, there's only so many left.
Good morning Jimmy have a good time watching you work on your 79 year old Cessna. By the way, I happen to be 80 years old and that fuel line when you straighten it out started popping in a cracking, that’s just the way oh my joints sound when I decide to get up and move. 😮
Do you know that motivation book, what color is your parachute? Watch out for sky diving, the jump is still great being 80 years young, but landing gets a bit of a gamble, when you MUST have a pigeon soft touch down. Just kidding, sir. 😅
I HATE that SO many people only look at things from a value standpoint. In that light...if someone GIVES you a machine that then needs an oil change....well...that's more than I paid for it. Good on Jimmy for saving that trusty old airplane! They have a soul and if they can be saved....do it!
As soon as you pulled the cylinder I went "what the.. I have never seen that before. How do rings break up like that not end up inside the engine?". As far as the costs go, it may not be "worth it" today, but soon this plane will be priceless as fewer and fewer of them remain airworthy. Giving it a chance to keep flying another 80 years is, to me, worth it. There are other rewards than simply financial, and its awesome to see that you feel this way too. Good on ya. Seems like a great inheritance.
I'm surprised that when you put the freeing up oil in the cylinder you don't take out all the plugs and turn it over, even just by hand. It would make the rings move about in their slots in the piston and have more chance of freeing up, or moving carbon and crud. Just a suggestion. 😊. By the way, love the video! It's so satisfying taking stuff apart and sorting out the problems!#
Great video 2x👍 The first time I rebuild a car engine I was so proud, I set of to test drive it got 1 mile away from home and it just exploded. Oil and metal chunks all over the road right at a bus stop. 🤣 The next one I spent a little longer making sure it right the first time. 👍
@alexdarcydestsimon3767had a joke as an airline pilot: “Did this just come from the hangar.” Secondly, did grooming come in and groom the cockpit? Grooming was not trained and would hit switches with vacuum cleaners and what not. So the rule was; the only time you should really follow the preflight check list is the day you enter the aircraft; period!” I know, tongue in cheek, but really always do a preflight whether airline or private, and regardless of this being the second leg flown by you back to back with the first leg. At the airline we had a full preflight on a cold aircraft and the turn around preflight BUT ONLY IF it was you that brought the aircraft in and followed the turnaround shut down! So on overseas (very long legs) it was always a full preflight, and on turns, on the same aircraft that you flew in and within 1 hour, a turn preflight. As a private pilot, I would always do a full preflight regardless. Cause I am human and humans make mistakes! Geoff Quickfall BSc, MSc, PhD candidate with 28,000hrs; DC10, B737, B757, B767, B777, B787, DHC2F, DHC3F, B18, C-185F (F=floats)
This is the kind of videos I subscribed for. I learned alot. And I love seeing your son getting so involved. I agree with another person's comment. When it's done, give it to him so he can learn to fly and maintain it. You guys rock!!!
Your first car and my first car were the same , mine was a 1987 1.4 Ghia Escort . And I have to say that car was indestructible and it went on for a long time , I sold it to a mate of mine , he sold it to some one else and it went on into the 2010's before it was off the road . Loved that car
In the future, when you remove a cylinder, install torque plates and torque thru bolts before turning the crank. May help prevent main bearing shift. I recently went way over market value to restore a similar vintage airplane for my son and I to fly around together.
Great video!!! I'm glad you decided to save it, but then again, it's easy for me to say since I'm not footing the bill.😂 Anyway... got my Jimmy fix for the morning, and I'm off and running. Thanks Jimmy!!
Couple things: 1. Better inspect the structural elements for corrosion too. Wing spar, tail assembly etc. 2. My 1947 C120 had wheel extensions. They pushed the main gear wheels about 6" forward. Made for better landings and ground handling.
I’ve seen pilots put oil in the cylinders, put the plugs back in a hit the starter. Fastest way in the world to bend a rod. Keeps us mechanics employed.
I'm sure you *could* spend $46K for a premium rebuilt c-85, but I think there's a good number of serviceable engines for much less if you wanted. I'd do an IRAN on that engine. I just don't think the market will bear the cost of an overhaul, sending case/crank to Tulsa, etc. With the cam lobes in tough shape, I'd think to go ahead and split the case, replace the cam & followers, check the crank journals. Throw new rod & main bearings in it. I'm thinking this engine doesn't make enough power to really tear itself apart anyways. Cylinders probably won't be expensive, but you could probably get away with re-ringing those pistons (keeping the same bore), honing the cylinders as they aren't heavily scored, pulling the valves out and cleaning up the seats. Doing an IRAN and perhaps reusing the jugs really probably could still keep your engine cost still under $10K, and likely the fan spinny thing keeps going for the remaining life of the plane. It's not like a fresh overhaul is going to make that plane worth $70K.
It's like the old fella over at the Cessna Twin place said to you. "They can all be saved Jim". He said that with a pretty stern face. When you buy one of these old birds it becomes your project. You are now the curator of an antique. Scrapping them is not a nice option for air history. I like when people save these.
Glad to see that this is a family affair. If it were me and as long as this airplane has been sitting, I would overhaul the whole Airplane Engine. I don't know how many engines Ive seen done only to come back to be redone again.
Thanks again, Jimmy for another great episode. It’s always fun watching you discover more ways to spend more money than a person should. I’ll order some more stuff to help support the channel. By the way, do you happen to have any episodes coming up on that beautiful Cessna 421 Golden Eagle? See you next episode..
Thanks for asking. 1) How much training did you need to take until you felt confident enough to make that first solo flight. 2) show why the 421 is so complicated. 3) how does the family like the 421. 4) do some test flights showing rates of climb, max speed, etc. 5) talk about Silas and all the help he provides. 6) is Silas preparing for his airman’s certificate. I hope so. 7) Talk about all of the accessories that were added, ie. wing tips, strakes, etc. and how much they add to the 421’s performance. 8) What upcoming trips do you have planned. 9) Maybe during your videos, tell us about your charities that need help. Just to remind us. 10) I like you using sponsors, especially the ones that help us save money, or show us something interesting, or where to buy parts, etc. 11) Maybe showing the Elvis Jet, the 421, and your new Jaguar at the same location. 12) You do a really great job, you’re funny, you’re thorough, you’re informative, and you’re very likable. Keep up the good work, we love you and we pray for you. PS we might like to see more of Silas getting involved. Maybe have the wife and kids involved a little bit more . Just saying, WHAT COULD GO WRONG?
20 yr A&P here. I love your vides about restoring old aircraft. As a tech I have to say, please don’t use a claw hammer. A good ball peen hammer isn’t very expensive and it will enhance your image as a maintainer. A claw hammer says that any old tool will do. This goes for channel lock pliers, too. There’s no substitute for the right tool for the job. Also, I recommend stud assemblies for your cylinder replacements. Valves and pistons come pre installed. Just line up the wrist pin hole to the connecting rod and install the wrist pin using a brass or plastic driver and a (ball peen) hammer. Easy peasy.
I’m taking my powerplant written on the 4th and then Oral and practical soon after. It seems to me the A&P community is filled with people like yourself. Knowledgeable and willing to help others with the things they have learned throughout their years. I’m excited to be apart of it.
Is there such a thing as honing those cylinder walls to get rid of blemishes and restoring the crosshatch pattern? I'm pretty well versed in automotive mechanics, I know that aircraft are a whole different thing. I'm thinking because it started reasonably easy, seemed to run good and had good oil pressure to just clean up those cylinders, clean the pistons, do a valve job and install new rings that it would be good to go.
What a cute little plane, I love the old Cessnas. The one thing I don't like is that the ADI is the glare shield. 😂 On the "T" handle starter: The first plane I actually started was a 150 that had the "T" handle starter and door knob throttle. I was part of a small (less than 12 member) CAP squadron but we had our own plane. I met many of my heroes working airshows and was taught how to prop a plane during a Red Cap based out of Killeen, TX. All at 13-14. Try that nowadays 😂
Jimmy, my dad myself had a 1946 Cessna 140 Taildragger he lost the airplane because that landing gear bolt sheared off on one of his landings total the plane so when you’re dealing with those landing bolts put new ones in
Hey Jimmy The knock is likely piston slap which is fairly common to small continental engines… no harm really. At least you have oil pressure 😂 I’m curious about what would have shattered the rings? looks like your boy is growing into a nice young man! 👍
Ironically, I decided that if I ever learned to fly, I was going to use a Cessna 120 to do it with...because its "cheaper" than most other planes. Of course "cheaper" is still relative!
Jimmy get some OMC mercury or yamaha tune up for two stroke engines and get it in there to break up carbon . Straight Yamaha Ring Free works really good and is my choice. Use it in fuel or crank case and in your situation use it directly in the cylinders . Carbon softens up
Jimmy if you can get it near you run autofuel in that it’ll keep the engine so much cleaner my mechanic said it was the best thing we did to our 0-300 no more carbon buildups
Hi I'm from Belgium and follow your programs, nice to follow you, here you have some ideas, whether I'm wrong you decide for yourself. Contamination: Contamination in the engine can lead to stuck scraper springs. This is common on shorter journeys where the engine doesn't have a chance to reach optimal temperature, causing carbon deposits. Coal deposits: Incomplete combustion can create carbon deposits that can secure and eventually break the scraper springs. Wear: Over time, scraper springs wear out and can break under high mechanical and thermal stresses. Maintenance: Insufficient or incorrect maintenance can also lead to broken scraper springs. It is important to perform regular maintenance and change the engine oil in time to avoid these problems.
Jimmy I just found a set of New/Old stock rings for C85? 28.50$ Shipped if the cylinders check out, a hone and new rings for all four and you are going flying.
Another retired A&P here, you need to dot the I's and cross the T's with these old aircraft, you almost have to purchase them for scrap price, since overhauling the engine and accessories plus interior and avionics costs are insane. Then you have the AD's and service bulletins, plus airframe condition. A friend wanted to buy a early V-35 Bonanza, 2nd owner always hangered, I told him unless you are flying it every month forget it.
Exactly some people make a huge deal out of everything. Looks like a simple fix to me just on the cylinders and put some new rings in as long as everything checks out it would be safe to fly.
It's so true, rough experiences make us. My first vehicle was a '63 longbed Chevy C10 with a 292 & 4 on the floor that I bought from my my widow nextdoor neighbor when her husband passed away. I paid $200 cash and cut her grass for two years. When I rebuilt the varnished carb, I unknowingly dropped a nut down the intake, which stuck a valve open than in turn got smacked by the piston & toasted the motor. A couple weeks later my dad & I swapped in a junkyard 350 with an automatic. That started my entry to welding, modifying cars, drag racing and made me realize anything I buy is just the base to make/build/modify into something that works better for a given need. I'm not sure kids today have that experience...maybe they do?
That Landine gear rust is nothing. Take a wire wheel to that and it’s gonna be shining like brand new. my suggestion to you is gut the plane and just get some bronze wool and start buffing everything out and of course blow it out and you’re fine that this plane is very easy to restore back to being shiny silver and then zinc it and you’ll be in business that’s not a plane to tear apart. It’s so easy to restore that plane. Please do not part this thing out You could redo this plane in four weekends
You got me on that one Mr. Jimmy I hope you was going to restore it. That’s awesome. I love your videos when you rebuilt the whole airplane. God bless you buddy maybe one day I can meet you.
Listen to the sound of air hissing out of crankcase, exhaust pipe, and carburetor. Also, believe it or not it is permitted to apply some oil into the cylinder to make another test and use that reading!
I think it is so cool that you not only have a son that wants to spend time with you and learn, but that you are equally invested in that relationship! Kudos to you Jimmy for being such a great mentor and father figure.
A father figure is a ten digit number! Priceless!
Yes absolutely and wow...kid has really grown up.
@@scottmoseley5122 the content is even more fun to watch with Silas. It makes me hope that my son will want to throw wrenches at the car(s) with his old man. I'll have to be a little patient, he's just 3 😂
@@dafox0427 it’s super cool to see . So many kids get nose blind to the cool things their parents do just because it’s their parents & their parent can’t possible be “cool” .
Jimmy is actually teaching his Son what NOT to do. 😅
Hi Jimmy I hope you get to read this. Firstly I would recommend to get a copy of the Continental M-0 manual, this manual applies to all Continental engines. Secondly you should start your compression test on 20 psi bottom dead center, then the turn the prop to TDC and then apply 80 psi. This is all very well written down in the M-0 Continental maintenance manual. This manual also provides solutions for when you compression is too low. If I remember correctly it advises you to fly the airplane for 2 hours and recheck your cylinder compression afterwards.
People throw away Continental cylinders way too fast because they treat it like a lycoming. So please don't give up all hope yet! (This would apply when your rings weren't shattered:) But please, find a copy of the manual :)
came here to make this same comment. Big salute to you!
Glad we're back to old airplane videos. This one is going to be fun.
First watch the previous vid
Great project! Can't wait to see the finished job. There is simplicity in these old planes that makes them more workable, reliable and trustworthy.
I am a sailor and really enjoy the Jimmy Adventure.What is GREAT is that you involve your son.The fact that he is so interested in flying and working with his dad is PRICELESS.
Jimmy I've been working aircraft for a long time I would do a complete tear down clean the block and all oil passage ways take the crank to a engine machinist and have him mic the crank and just replace the lifters and cam it's easier to do it when you have it apart rather than it happening at altitude.
Yeah, they're a b!tch to work on in the air 😉
The ring was stuck before you first started the engine. When you hit the starter and forced the engine to rotate it broke the ring. I would suggest in the future you put MM Oil in first, let it sit for a day and then see if you can hand turn the engine. Using the starter can break the rings if they are stuck.
This is the best explanation I have seen. No amount of oil, sitting in the cylinder, will un stick a ring.
Makes some sense but so many pieces? Could that be determined by seeing if the breaks are shiny or old/tarnished/
@@desotosky1372 I have seen broken rings but none that were not associated with other failures (piston damage, foreign objects0 and none that didn't also damage the piston itself. I think the stuck compression ring is the real give away here.
@@desotosky1372 They are going to be shiny the first 300 times it went up and down the cylinder bore.
Jimmy can fix anything
Thanks for not scrapping that little Cessna! That put a tear in my eye. The rings broke from starting an engine that had been idle for a long time. If you had continued to run it, those peices would have chewed up your cylinders.
*THIS* kind of content is what brings people in, keep it up!!
Great content to take us back to why we started watching your channel in the first place!
30 years in this field of work, your review of that engine is just what i would expect from a pilot.
Do you mean he shouldn't stop at a top end overhaul? I would really like to see that crankshaft up close.
@@paulwright7239 pulling 1 cylinder was enough of a clue the engine need a complete teardown and rebuild. The only thing that should be saved carb mags, the cases crank, and the cylinders might be salvaged.
65 years of aviation and I learned a long time ago, that if you expect the worse , that way you won't be disappointed .
Expect the worse and then only have pleasant surprises
We share the same philosophy. I say the same thing. If things go South, you're validated, if it turns out well, like you say. . . what a pleasant surprise. Either way you got it.
I watch a lot of stuff about building and repairing, mostly because I enjoy old stuff coming back to life. I'm retired AF and I appreciate airplanes most of all. I admire you for wanting to rescue these old relics, and thanks to you for bringing us along! I hope you son appreciates what he's working with and the fact he has a great dad teaching him! Thanks again, and best of luck on this one.
It means a lot to know people appreciate what we're doing!
Wow look at those rings and the walls are still in good shape, that is amazing. it is a good thing the compressing ring was stuck, or you would not have pulled it apart.
This is a great platform to learn about general aviation aircraft maintenance.I'm sure there is more to maintenance but this is informative.Appreciate seeing this.Regards from Canada.
Jimmy, I am subscribing because this is a noble cause. Just like all dogs go to heaven, old planes deserve a second chance. Can't wait for the next episode!
Just for giggles, you should lightly hone those cylinders and put new rigs in it, to see what she does. As clean as those cylinders looked i think they would buff right up, The rings were the main issue, stuck and broken. That cam needs closer inspection, but it may look worse than it is. I'm rooting for ya Jimmy!
I agree about a fresh set of rings and a light hone. That quite often can put compression near new again, and likely last a few hundred hours.
I think Jimmy knows what's needs to be done. I also think these videos are released after the fact, that plane has been restored.
As long as the cylinders are in decent shape, don't replace them. Just because a part is new doesn't mean it's flawless. And, just because it's old doesn't make it trash.
Otherwise, this looks like a great project for someone looking to get experience toward an A&P license.
Tear it down my friend. Kind regards from the Pilbara Western Australia.
restoring a 30 yr old rotorway exec that has stood outside for 5+ yrs. makes your latest project seem showroom fresh. there must be something wrong with me cos i am loving it. your enthusiasm is inspiring, go jimmy!
I have not seen him in months... can't believe how much he has grown..even his voice has changed..kids grow so fast
Thought I was seeing double :) Great young man you raised there Jimmy.
I am so glad you made a live feed again!
Jimmy getting excited about the remaining crosshatch, even though it was well below the rings, was peak optimism😁 glad to see it being put back in use
These are the videos we love from you and your team Jimmy!
You never continue to amaze me Jimmy. Loved the last two videos explaining the ins and outs of small airplane engines, especially 76 year old ones.
Even though I am no A & P mechanic, from being a diesel mechanic it looks like the rear cylinders at some point were overheated looking at the pistons.
Concur
I truly enjoyed this video.
Keep working on it, we do not have to pay your troubles, we only need to enjoy your contents and thats always enjoyful ❤❤
Your the man Jimmy, you amaze me with your empathy and downright kind heartedness, well done and power to you Dx
I Love Jimmy's airplane rebuild videos ! They are the absolute greatest to watch and learn from. Bigger Strokes? Thats what she said
Hi jimmy it's great to see you finding and fixing airplanes once again PLEASE, don't venture too far away from this activity into the future we need u and your son back again hope sialas has started to a PILOT. So well have you both flying new adventures together. GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY!!! also your extended family...
Grizzly and crew
Jimmy, I think this one is going to be fun! Thanks for Sharing! 🙃🙂
You bet! It's gonna be a lot of work though.
105 year old A&P here, ya done good stuff there boy
I love the 120/140s
Keep us updated on this project
Great video Jimmy, love seeing the beginning of a good restoration!
I'm an A&P apprentice and restored a barn find 150 over two years, the engine was definitely the most expensive part. I don't know enough about camshafts, but if there's no corrosion/spalling on the lobes/lifters, it should be ok.
If it were my airplane, I'd put new rings in it & fly until metal showed up in the filter. Since you're most likely selling it, it's probably smart to put new pistons and cylinders on.
Paint is also a big hurdle - It cost us 10K to have a local paint shop do the 150! Once you get the airplane stripped, make sure you get an IA (or even a DER) to look over the corrosion and treat it. A lot of the stuff on the sides of the fuselage looks surface level, I'd be more concerned about the spar + lift strut attachment points and structural bulkheads.
Can't wait to see more!
another nice video THANKS; your son is getting some good experience.
I enjoy your videos. I am a auto mechanic. The simplicity of the airplanes engines is so fascinating to me. The cost of the parts is amazing though. WOW...
My uncle had a 140 on his farm, loved visiting as a kid because I could never get enough of sitting in it and dreaming, he sold it to a relative that was head of United maintenance in Chicago who intended to restore it, hope he did, there's only so many left.
Happy to see you doing airplanes again, you lost me for a while, I’m back
Great to see you and your son back together on an old plane .
Looking forward to seeing this plane restored and flying again! 🇺🇸
Thanks!
Good morning Jimmy have a good time watching you work on your 79 year old Cessna. By the way, I happen to be 80 years old and that fuel line when you straighten it out started popping in a cracking, that’s just the way oh my joints sound when I decide to get up and move. 😮
As long as your fuel lines are OK...😂
I'm right behind you, brother. I'm 69 and feeling it coming on.
I sound like a bowl of rice crispies when I can get up and moving!
Do you know that motivation book, what color is your parachute? Watch out for sky diving, the jump is still great being 80 years young, but landing gets a bit of a gamble, when you MUST have a pigeon soft touch down. Just kidding, sir. 😅
@@voornaam3191 Love it. 😝 😂
I HATE that SO many people only look at things from a value standpoint. In that light...if someone GIVES you a machine that then needs an oil change....well...that's more than I paid for it. Good on Jimmy for saving that trusty old airplane! They have a soul and if they can be saved....do it!
I hear a new shirt coming on...."It can't be that bad!" LOL
hahaha
Glad to see your son working along side with you! Great video
I fly a 46' 140 great to see jimmy keeping it flying!
Your generosity and saving this for them earned my respect and a subscriber.
3:25 these are the stories that keep me coming back to Jimmys World, lol.
For one AN bolt you might need
many thanks! #savetheAerostar ;)
As soon as you pulled the cylinder I went "what the.. I have never seen that before. How do rings break up like that not end up inside the engine?". As far as the costs go, it may not be "worth it" today, but soon this plane will be priceless as fewer and fewer of them remain airworthy. Giving it a chance to keep flying another 80 years is, to me, worth it. There are other rewards than simply financial, and its awesome to see that you feel this way too. Good on ya. Seems like a great inheritance.
You hit the nail on the head, some things are worth more than money.
Yes Jimmy, 20:20. As someone who struggled 3 hours to remove 2 screws on an old car. I felt that.
Always end well! Great work!
I'm surprised that when you put the freeing up oil in the cylinder you don't take out all the plugs and turn it over, even just by hand. It would make the rings move about in their slots in the piston and have more chance of freeing up, or moving carbon and crud. Just a suggestion. 😊.
By the way, love the video! It's so satisfying taking stuff apart and sorting out the problems!#
Great video 2x👍
The first time I rebuild a car engine I was so proud, I set of to test drive it got 1 mile away from home and it just exploded. Oil and metal chunks all over the road right at a bus stop. 🤣 The next one I spent a little longer making sure it right the first time. 👍
experience = fixing mistakes... lol
The only day you should really follow the preflight check list is the day your airplane comes back from maintenance...
@@therealjimmysworldexperience is fixing it twice......to quote FAB RATS PAUL......" WE DO IT NICE CAUSE WE DO IT TWICE......!!!!!"
@alexdarcydestsimon3767had a joke as an airline pilot: “Did this just come from the hangar.” Secondly, did grooming come in and groom the cockpit? Grooming was not trained and would hit switches with vacuum cleaners and what not.
So the rule was; the only time you should really follow the preflight check list is the day you enter the aircraft; period!”
I know, tongue in cheek, but really always do a preflight whether airline or private, and regardless of this being the second leg flown by you back to back with the first leg.
At the airline we had a full preflight on a cold aircraft and the turn around preflight BUT ONLY IF it was you that brought the aircraft in and followed the turnaround shut down!
So on overseas (very long legs) it was always a full preflight, and on turns, on the same aircraft that you flew in and within 1 hour, a turn preflight.
As a private pilot, I would always do a full preflight regardless. Cause I am human and humans make mistakes!
Geoff Quickfall BSc, MSc, PhD candidate with 28,000hrs; DC10, B737, B757, B767, B777, B787, DHC2F, DHC3F, B18, C-185F (F=floats)
You can purchase a clamp system for the cable that allows you to introduce oil under pressure to flow down the cable inside its protective case.
That was crazy about the piston rings! Never seen anything like that before. Awesome video as always Jimmy!
This is the kind of videos I subscribed for. I learned alot. And I love seeing your son getting so involved. I agree with another person's comment. When it's done, give it to him so he can learn to fly and maintain it. You guys rock!!!
Your first car and my first car were the same , mine was a 1987 1.4 Ghia Escort . And I have to say that car was indestructible and it went on for a long time , I sold it to a mate of mine , he sold it to some one else and it went on into the 2010's before it was off the road . Loved that car
In the future, when you remove a cylinder, install torque plates and torque thru bolts before turning the crank. May help prevent main bearing shift. I recently went way over market value to restore a similar vintage airplane for my son and I to fly around together.
Thanks for the tip, I'll definitely keep that in mind!
Jimmy your giving your son a priceless experience.
Wow good luck with all this Jimmy
Great video!!! I'm glad you decided to save it, but then again, it's easy for me to say since I'm not footing the bill.😂
Anyway... got my Jimmy fix for the morning, and I'm off and running. Thanks Jimmy!!
Love the new father and son approach to this project!!
Come to think about it... why not make it his first airplane? ;)
So excited to find this video today!
Couple things:
1. Better inspect the structural elements for corrosion too. Wing spar, tail assembly etc.
2. My 1947 C120 had wheel extensions. They pushed the main gear wheels about 6" forward. Made for better landings and ground handling.
Good to know about those wheel extensions. I'll have to keep that in mind!
I’ve seen pilots put oil in the cylinders, put the plugs back in a hit the starter. Fastest way in the world to bend a rod. Keeps us mechanics employed.
I'm sure you *could* spend $46K for a premium rebuilt c-85, but I think there's a good number of serviceable engines for much less if you wanted. I'd do an IRAN on that engine. I just don't think the market will bear the cost of an overhaul, sending case/crank to Tulsa, etc. With the cam lobes in tough shape, I'd think to go ahead and split the case, replace the cam & followers, check the crank journals. Throw new rod & main bearings in it. I'm thinking this engine doesn't make enough power to really tear itself apart anyways. Cylinders probably won't be expensive, but you could probably get away with re-ringing those pistons (keeping the same bore), honing the cylinders as they aren't heavily scored, pulling the valves out and cleaning up the seats. Doing an IRAN and perhaps reusing the jugs really probably could still keep your engine cost still under $10K, and likely the fan spinny thing keeps going for the remaining life of the plane. It's not like a fresh overhaul is going to make that plane worth $70K.
Fantastic! Keep up the restoration, it cannot be that bad!
It's like the old fella over at the Cessna Twin place said to you. "They can all be saved Jim". He said that with a pretty stern face. When you buy one of these old birds it becomes your project. You are now the curator of an antique. Scrapping them is not a nice option for air history. I like when people save these.
Glad to see that this is a family affair. If it were me and as long as this airplane has been sitting, I would overhaul the whole Airplane Engine. I don't know how many engines Ive seen done only to come back to be redone again.
Thanks again, Jimmy for another great episode. It’s always fun watching you discover more ways to spend more money than a person should. I’ll order some more stuff to help support the channel. By the way, do you happen to have any episodes coming up on that beautiful Cessna 421 Golden Eagle? See you next episode..
thanks so much! What kind of episode would you like to see on the 421?
Thanks for asking. 1) How much training did you need to take until you felt confident enough to make that first solo flight. 2) show why the 421 is so complicated. 3) how does the family like the 421. 4) do some test flights showing rates of climb, max speed, etc. 5) talk about Silas and all the help he provides. 6) is Silas preparing for his airman’s certificate. I hope so. 7) Talk about all of the accessories that were added, ie. wing tips, strakes, etc. and how much they add to the 421’s performance. 8) What upcoming trips do you have planned. 9) Maybe during your videos, tell us about your charities that need help. Just to remind us. 10) I like you using sponsors, especially the ones that help us save money, or show us something interesting, or where to buy parts, etc. 11) Maybe showing the Elvis Jet, the 421, and your new Jaguar at the same location. 12) You do a really great job, you’re funny, you’re thorough, you’re informative, and you’re very likable. Keep up the good work, we love you and we pray for you. PS we might like to see more of Silas getting involved. Maybe have the wife and kids involved a little bit more . Just saying, WHAT COULD GO WRONG?
Too Cool. Enjoy your videos Jimmy. We say Hello from Lewis County Ky and keep doing what you do.
20 yr A&P here. I love your vides about restoring old aircraft. As a tech I have to say, please don’t use a claw hammer. A good ball peen hammer isn’t very expensive and it will enhance your image as a maintainer. A claw hammer says that any old tool will do. This goes for channel lock pliers, too. There’s no substitute for the right tool for the job. Also, I recommend stud assemblies for your cylinder replacements. Valves and pistons come pre installed. Just line up the wrist pin hole to the connecting rod and install the wrist pin using a brass or plastic driver and a (ball peen) hammer. Easy peasy.
I’m taking my powerplant written on the 4th and then Oral and practical soon after. It seems to me the A&P community is filled with people like yourself. Knowledgeable and willing to help others with the things they have learned throughout their years. I’m excited to be apart of it.
As a former A&P who is now over 70, I couldn't agree with you more. Claw hammers are for house framers.
Is there such a thing as honing those cylinder walls to get rid of blemishes and restoring the crosshatch pattern? I'm pretty well versed in automotive mechanics, I know that aircraft are a whole different thing. I'm thinking because it started reasonably easy, seemed to run good and had good oil pressure to just clean up those cylinders, clean the pistons, do a valve job and install new rings that it would be good to go.
I just use what ever works, wrench=hammer, channel locks=hammer, torque wrench=hammer😊
Claw hammer----bush league.
What a cute little plane, I love the old Cessnas. The one thing I don't like is that the ADI is the glare shield. 😂
On the "T" handle starter: The first plane I actually started was a 150 that had the "T" handle starter and door knob throttle. I was part of a small (less than 12 member) CAP squadron but we had our own plane. I met many of my heroes working airshows and was taught how to prop a plane during a Red Cap based out of Killeen, TX. All at 13-14. Try that nowadays 😂
Sometimes the value of a "thing" is more than purely it's financial value. This little plane is a perfect example of that
im so glad your restoring her look forward to seeing it :D
Me too!
Jimmy, my dad myself had a 1946 Cessna 140 Taildragger he lost the airplane because that landing gear bolt sheared off on one of his landings total the plane so when you’re dealing with those landing bolts put new ones in
hey you are back !!! was concerned about you !!!! pls keep us posted even by some shorts :) hi From Zanzibar this time :)
Hey Jimmy The knock is likely piston slap which is fairly common to small continental engines… no harm really. At least you have oil pressure 😂 I’m curious about what would have shattered the rings? looks like your boy is growing into a nice young man! 👍
Your a nice chap Jimmy
Ironically, I decided that if I ever learned to fly, I was going to use a Cessna 120 to do it with...because its "cheaper" than most other planes. Of course "cheaper" is still relative!
Yes! Cheaper... but still not cheap!
@@therealjimmysworld Yea, I know...just add a ZERO to everything!
Don’t forget, champs t carts and Luscombes
Yay. Save the 120!!!
All the best with this, very worthwhile project.
Jimmy get some OMC mercury or yamaha tune up for two stroke engines and get it in there to break up carbon . Straight Yamaha Ring Free works really good and is my choice. Use it in fuel or crank case and in your situation use it directly in the cylinders . Carbon softens up
Good tip! Thanks for the advice.
Thank you for keeping a cool piece of history.
Jimmy if you can get it near you run autofuel in that it’ll keep the engine so much cleaner my mechanic said it was the best thing we did to our 0-300 no more carbon buildups
As long as it has an STC for auto gas.
Hi I'm from Belgium and follow your programs, nice to follow you, here you have some ideas, whether I'm wrong you decide for yourself. Contamination: Contamination in the engine can lead to stuck scraper springs. This is common on shorter journeys where the engine doesn't have a chance to reach optimal temperature, causing carbon deposits.
Coal deposits: Incomplete combustion can create carbon deposits that can secure and eventually break the scraper springs.
Wear: Over time, scraper springs wear out and can break under high mechanical and thermal stresses.
Maintenance: Insufficient or incorrect maintenance can also lead to broken scraper springs.
It is important to perform regular maintenance and change the engine oil in time to avoid these problems.
You are an inspiration!!!!!!!
I was tipping a few (or more) back and then scatman came on and I lost it… beer came through my nose…. Thank you jimmy for always firsts!!!! 😂
THIS is the Jimmy's World we're here for!!!
Bless you for saving these old airplanes
Jimmy I just found a set of New/Old stock rings for C85? 28.50$ Shipped if the cylinders check out, a hone and new rings for all four and you are going flying.
I thought that too but then that camshaft lobe has lobes lol. Cases need separating. : l
Leak down test that a good job Jimmy. You have to make sure the valves are closed. It could have been a bad valves stem leaking and not fully close
Another retired A&P here, you need to dot the I's and cross the T's with these old aircraft, you almost have to purchase them for scrap price, since overhauling the engine and accessories plus interior and avionics costs are insane.
Then you have the AD's and service bulletins, plus airframe condition.
A friend wanted to buy a early V-35 Bonanza, 2nd owner always hangered, I told him unless you are flying it every month forget it.
My brother from another mother is BACK! Yay! 🎉❤❤
I would finish the inspection and if everything else is okay then i would throw a set of rings in it.😊
Exactly some people make a huge deal out of everything. Looks like a simple fix to me just on the cylinders and put some new rings in as long as everything checks out it would be safe to fly.
Thanks for the video. I've always wanted to fly... But never did and my time has passed; however, I can still dream and watch. Thank you
So pleased you are back to producing great airplane maintenance videos.
(And not wierd plane car things).
That’s why we all subscribed!
It's so true, rough experiences make us. My first vehicle was a '63 longbed Chevy C10 with a 292 & 4 on the floor that I bought from my my widow nextdoor neighbor when her husband passed away. I paid $200 cash and cut her grass for two years. When I rebuilt the varnished carb, I unknowingly dropped a nut down the intake, which stuck a valve open than in turn got smacked by the piston & toasted the motor. A couple weeks later my dad & I swapped in a junkyard 350 with an automatic. That started my entry to welding, modifying cars, drag racing and made me realize anything I buy is just the base to make/build/modify into something that works better for a given need. I'm not sure kids today have that experience...maybe they do?
That Landine gear rust is nothing. Take a wire wheel to that and it’s gonna be shining like brand new. my suggestion to you is gut the plane and just get some bronze wool and start buffing everything out and of course blow it out and you’re fine that this plane is very easy to restore back to being shiny silver and then zinc it and you’ll be in business that’s not a plane to tear apart. It’s so easy to restore that plane. Please do not part this thing out
You could redo this plane in four weekends
You got me on that one Mr. Jimmy I hope you was going to restore it. That’s awesome. I love your videos when you rebuilt the whole airplane. God bless you buddy maybe one day I can meet you.
Started working on cars before you were born Jimmy! Never seen rings like that. :O
Yeah, those rings are pretty wild!
Yeah that was insane!
Listen to the sound of air hissing out of crankcase, exhaust pipe, and carburetor. Also, believe it or not it is permitted to apply some oil into the cylinder to make another test and use that reading!