Lessons learned: 1. Always expect the unexpected 2. Keep safety kill switch in factory location 3. Always wear the tether and keep your fingers on the brake for instant lock up of the track or to slow it down to hit the kill switch or pull tether.
Here's a tip that I've done for throttle cable sticking let it soak in antifreeze coolant. It even works for dusty environment also. Used this process in logging applications for years with cable operated controls
This is why I never roll my kill switch to the under side or relocate it. I grew up on older sleds where one did not have a tether so I am in a habit of bad situation hit the killy. I'm 4mins in I look forward to seeing how bad it is or isn't.
"This is the result of a Polaris stuck throttle." This is also when my video footage stopped recording, so i have nothing to show you except everything before, and then right after the wreck. I hit this tree, and, by the way, I put this aftermarket throttle block on the sled.
The throttle block is NOT responsible. Hell, the throttle block is an improvement over the Polaris one because the stock block tends to collect snow and freeze.
@@robgoffroad I agree, this happened to me once, nothing you can do about it. No system will stop the engine when it thinks your wide open. The only way to prevent this is to run muffs over the bars in heavy powder.
@@davidbrennan5 the throttle safety switch is supposed to prevent it, but I'm guessing it didn't transfer over with the new throttle block. And if you run a finger throttle, you have to bypass that anyway. The thinking is that the tether replaces the TSS.
@@robgoffroad The TSS will stop the sled if you start it and the throttle is not at idle or returned to idle after startup but when your holding the throttle to the bar after the engine is started, it doesn't know if the cable is tight or has slack in it and it won't kill the engine because you could be running in deep slush or another dangerous situation that you need full power. The flipper has to go back to idle position for the system to kill the machine and this does not always happen. You can see his was stuck halfway, that is what happened to me with a stock setup. I was lucky I was on a lake and had time to kill the machine. You only have a couple of seconds to react.
@ yes but how often it happens with the factory block is ridiculous… also Polaris deleted the tss for the 2025 sleds because they opened up the block similar to the aftermarket options
I have an aluminum throttle block with throttle safety switch delete on both of my Matryx sleds and this makes me seriously consider going back to stock!
It was 100% because of that. I’ve had my actual bodies get stuck open (got moisture in there and got really cold at night) the switch on my throttle shut the sled down because they have a sensor that says your throttle is off but the throttle bodies are open which kills the engine as a safety measure. Oh, did I mention this is on a 2012 F800? So I know for a fact a new Polaris has that.
@ Of course a new Polaris has it. It’s a throttle safety switch (TSS). Some aftermarket throttle blocks incorporate the factory TSS and some include a resistor plug that you use to bypass the TSS. The ones I have installed utilize a TSS bypass and the one in this video looks like it may be the same brand. I am leaving for the mountains tomorrow morning and chose to swap back to the stock throttle blocks until I can pick up a couple new ones that allow the use of the factory safety switch….
@@Fatonzzz iirc the throttle safety switch only applies when starting when the throttle gets input, it wouldnt have prevented this thing from happening. its if it freezes during a cold night and it get stuck while open it dosent send the snowmobile shooting out
I may have a solution if not an idea to work from, get an old electric blanket and pull out the wire, check the impedance of your heated grips and make another circuit with that heated wire with the wire length same impedances as your grips are then wrap those cables. so that it’ll warm up to the proper temperature it will be shorter sections of wire. I use it to heat my steering wheel in my vehicle works great. I use the horn for the circuit so it spins too. Heat the seat just about what ever you want at 12 volts find them cheap at the thrift stores. My two pennies.
Dumb question as I haven't sledded in years - why don't they have electronic throttle control instead of cable unless there is a technical/reliability reason for it?
I thought Polaris has a whole new factory throttle block and cable for the 2025 sleds that is supposed to stop the frozen throttle problem, maybe just try the new stock factory one just curious if the new one will actually stop the frozen throttle problem
@@sledder3254 they did this sled is not brand new, so it still had the old throttle block from the factory. That is why he put an aftermarket throttle on that is supposed to help with this problem
Would double check by the clutches, have seen where the whole sled looks fine, but upon reassembly the panels don’t line up and noticed a crack in the bulkhead in between the clutches at the bottom of the belly pan. Also if it starts throwing waste gate codes you might need to bring it in for a waste gate relearn
I have my tether attached to me but since I didn't jump off the sled it never got pulled. Had I let the machine go it would have hit my friend despite the tether killing the engine since he was so close.
Got run a heated throttle block brother I had two my sled pro with hm turbo kit stuck on me and my axys with boon docker kit stuck on me too scary 200 hp when don’t want it
Normally I would have bailed and let the tether kill it but since my friend was so close in-front of me that if I would have bailed the sled would have still hit him despite the tether killing the engine. I stayed on the sled so that I could pull it away from my friend and I pulled it straight into a tree.
Many/most of the aftermarket blocks DO NOT solve this problem (hence the video), so personally I'd keep the OEM throttle block. With as well-documented as this issue is, there is potentially some responsibility on the part of Polaris if the stock block freezes open. That responsibility is removed once you remove the Polaris system. That said, I have yet to experience this issue; however, I also run hand guards which help deflect the snow from my hands, the throttle block and the brake lever sensor. Edited to add: anyone not running a BMB pumper is risking their sled.
They could also add some ECU logic to measure simultaneous full brake and full throttle = cut power / or reduce to brake effectiveness. Unless you guys do brake stands with these things 😁
Spray WD40 down the cable and work the throttle simultaneously to help the fluid go down the cable. It’ll help prevent water from entering the cable. I also don’t run my hand warmers anymore because I find they are a huge contributor in melting snow and then having it ice up.
I didn't even try to go through warranty, I just fixed it myself. Not likely that they would have covered it since I have an aftermarket throttle block and the safety switch bypassed.
The results say so that’s for sure. Something to consider when replacing stock for aftermarket. Sure it may be better in some regards, but a compromise in others.
Yes I did. The aftermarket throttle block comes with a bypass for the safety switch. It’s a double edged sword unfortunately. That safety switch had stranded a lot of people, but it could have helped in this situation
The stock polaris throttle has a safety mechanism to prevent this! You cannot say it was the polaris throttle being stuck that caused this. You put an aftermarket throttle on the sled that was the cause of this.
Would you be willing to give me a price on that smashed up pipe you have? I would like to try something with it and play around if you could please let me know what you are asking for it I would appreciate it.
Had his tether on , he explains in video all happen so fast and was in close proximity to his buddy and trees , and panic set in so he steered the sled clear of his buddy and smacked the tree , he said he should of pulled his tether , but said likely would of still hit tree as she was carrying major momentum being wide open ,
Polaris won’t help you with this one since the throttle safety switch was bypassed with the use of the aftermarket throttle block. Keep this in mind fellas if you have aftermarket throttle block! Switch is there for a reason.
Unfortunate location for that to happen! If you'd been in a meadow, might have made for a nervous laugh and walk it off. You did a good job not hitting your buddy, that's what matters!
Lessons learned: 1. Always expect the unexpected 2. Keep safety kill switch in factory location 3. Always wear the tether and keep your fingers on the brake for instant lock up of the track or to slow it down to hit the kill switch or pull tether.
Here's a tip that I've done for throttle cable sticking let it soak in antifreeze coolant. It even works for dusty environment also. Used this process in logging applications for years with cable operated controls
13:04 after it sticking, i would have put a stand under the rear. Wouldn’t want round two through a shop door. 😂
Check clutch alignment, engine mounts bolts, I would also measure the crank shaft round out to be safe.
BWC for the win. Thanks for a cheaper parts options!❤
This is why I never roll my kill switch to the under side or relocate it. I grew up on older sleds where one did not have a tether so I am in a habit of bad situation hit the killy. I'm 4mins in I look forward to seeing how bad it is or isn't.
"This is the result of a Polaris stuck throttle." This is also when my video footage stopped recording, so i have nothing to show you except everything before, and then right after the wreck. I hit this tree, and, by the way, I put this aftermarket throttle block on the sled.
The throttle block is NOT responsible. Hell, the throttle block is an improvement over the Polaris one because the stock block tends to collect snow and freeze.
@@robgoffroad I agree, this happened to me once, nothing you can do about it. No system will stop the engine when it thinks your wide open. The only way to prevent this is to run muffs over the bars in heavy powder.
@@davidbrennan5 the throttle safety switch is supposed to prevent it, but I'm guessing it didn't transfer over with the new throttle block. And if you run a finger throttle, you have to bypass that anyway. The thinking is that the tether replaces the TSS.
@@davidbrennan5tether …..
@@robgoffroad The TSS will stop the sled if you start it and the throttle is not at idle or returned to idle after startup but when your holding the throttle to the bar after the engine is started, it doesn't know if the cable is tight or has slack in it and it won't kill the engine because you could be running in deep slush or another dangerous situation that you need full power. The flipper has to go back to idle position for the system to kill the machine and this does not always happen. You can see his was stuck halfway, that is what happened to me with a stock setup. I was lucky I was on a lake and had time to kill the machine. You only have a couple of seconds to react.
Looks like it bent your steering linkage too
I guess i missed the part where you replaced your throttle cable 🤔
Half off on your next Backwoods also saved my boost. Bwb are the best.
Maybe the aluminum of the throttle block transfers the cold to the cable more than plastic? Any water and you’re done.
Wild. Did you have your tether on?
The factory throttle block has a safety switch to kill the engine if the cable sticks.
Have rode factory sleds, doesn’t always work when snow jams between the lever and the block
@danielverhelst7964 true but that wasn't the situation here. His cable frozen and a TSS would probably have saved him.
@ yes but how often it happens with the factory block is ridiculous… also Polaris deleted the tss for the 2025 sleds because they opened up the block similar to the aftermarket options
Most aftermarket throttle blocks retain the safety switch.
Does anybody not see the steering post it's bent and he didn't replace it
I have an aluminum throttle block with throttle safety switch delete on both of my Matryx sleds and this makes me seriously consider going back to stock!
It was 100% because of that. I’ve had my actual bodies get stuck open (got moisture in there and got really cold at night) the switch on my throttle shut the sled down because they have a sensor that says your throttle is off but the throttle bodies are open which kills the engine as a safety measure.
Oh, did I mention this is on a 2012 F800? So I know for a fact a new Polaris has that.
@ Of course a new Polaris has it. It’s a throttle safety switch (TSS). Some aftermarket throttle blocks incorporate the factory TSS and some include a resistor plug that you use to bypass the TSS. The ones I have installed utilize a TSS bypass and the one in this video looks like it may be the same brand. I am leaving for the mountains tomorrow morning and chose to swap back to the stock throttle blocks until I can pick up a couple new ones that allow the use of the factory safety switch….
@@Fatonzzz iirc the throttle safety switch only applies when starting when the throttle gets input, it wouldnt have prevented this thing from happening. its if it freezes during a cold night and it get stuck while open it dosent send the snowmobile shooting out
I may have a solution if not an idea to work from, get an old electric blanket and pull out the wire, check the impedance of your heated grips and make another circuit with that heated wire with the wire length same impedances as your grips are then wrap those cables. so that it’ll warm up to the proper temperature it will be shorter sections of wire. I use it to heat my steering wheel in my vehicle works great. I use the horn for the circuit so it spins too. Heat the seat just about what ever you want at 12 volts find them cheap at the thrift stores. My two pennies.
So you reusing that throttle? I think the solution would have been better than the rebuild with same throttle. Cruse control?
Still have the 9r?
I’ve seen pipes like that repaired. Both ends plugged and air pumped in while heating area with torch.
Dirt bike guys do this all the time. Easy fix and an option for your repair business!❤
Glad everyone is ok welcome to sicamous
Thank you very much! I really appreciate that. I love it here!
Dumb question as I haven't sledded in years - why don't they have electronic throttle control instead of cable unless there is a technical/reliability reason for it?
I thought Polaris has a whole new factory throttle block and cable for the 2025 sleds that is supposed to stop the frozen throttle problem, maybe just try the new stock factory one just curious if the new one will actually stop the frozen throttle problem
It was part of my preride on my poo. Deicer in the cable daily.
Backwoods bumper for the win!. Missing one on the other sled?
@@sledder3254 they did this sled is not brand new, so it still had the old throttle block from the factory. That is why he put an aftermarket throttle on that is supposed to help with this problem
Downside to moving the killswitch out of reach
Would double check by the clutches, have seen where the whole sled looks fine, but upon reassembly the panels don’t line up and noticed a crack in the bulkhead in between the clutches at the bottom of the belly pan.
Also if it starts throwing waste gate codes you might need to bring it in for a waste gate relearn
Thankful no one was injured. Sled can be rebuilt
Thanks for the update, so glad it wasn't worse, now get out and shred!
Am i missing something? Do most people not run a tethered kill switch?
I have my tether attached to me but since I didn't jump off the sled it never got pulled. Had I let the machine go it would have hit my friend despite the tether killing the engine since he was so close.
Ok bryce.. just wondering. Scary! Glad you guys are all ok
@@highcountry4068 No problem, I appreciate it!
Got run a heated throttle block brother I had two my sled pro with hm turbo kit stuck on me and my axys with boon docker kit stuck on me too scary 200 hp when don’t want it
Great content coming from your hard work!!! Stoked
Thank you very much! I really appreciate the support!
has happened a few times on my poo, had to jump off so the tether killed the engine. Never happened on my doo though.
Normally I would have bailed and let the tether kill it but since my friend was so close in-front of me that if I would have bailed the sled would have still hit him despite the tether killing the engine. I stayed on the sled so that I could pull it away from my friend and I pulled it straight into a tree.
Many/most of the aftermarket blocks DO NOT solve this problem (hence the video), so personally I'd keep the OEM throttle block. With as well-documented as this issue is, there is potentially some responsibility on the part of Polaris if the stock block freezes open. That responsibility is removed once you remove the Polaris system.
That said, I have yet to experience this issue; however, I also run hand guards which help deflect the snow from my hands, the throttle block and the brake lever sensor.
Edited to add: anyone not running a BMB pumper is risking their sled.
They could also add some ECU logic to measure simultaneous full brake and full throttle = cut power / or reduce to brake effectiveness. Unless you guys do brake stands with these things 😁
Nice work! What did you do for broken mounting tab for the bumper?
I was wondering the same thing! Never got mentioned and the "after shots" had no bumper at all.
I ended up drilling another hole into the bulkhead and installed a little bracket that the bumper bolts to which is in the normal position.
Yikes…. That sounds a little concerning. (More holes drilled in bulkhead🫣)
@@Bryce_Cardinal Got it, thanks for the info. My thought was weld a blob to it, then file/polish and re-dill the sam hole. Thanks for the explanation!
It is just a snowmobile, no one was hurt that's the important part
How are you going to keep it from freezing?
Spray WD40 down the cable and work the throttle simultaneously to help the fluid go down the cable. It’ll help prevent water from entering the cable. I also don’t run my hand warmers anymore because I find they are a huge contributor in melting snow and then having it ice up.
Thank.God your all ok
Did polaris cover that ?
I didn't even try to go through warranty, I just fixed it myself. Not likely that they would have covered it since I have an aftermarket throttle block and the safety switch bypassed.
yeah they definitely wouldn't have @Bryce_Cardinal
Did you delete the throttle safety switch?
The results say so that’s for sure. Something to consider when replacing stock for aftermarket. Sure it may be better in some regards, but a compromise in others.
@YooperScott I've had the throttle ice before but usually as soon as you let off of it the motor is shutting off.
Yes I did. The aftermarket throttle block comes with a bypass for the safety switch. It’s a double edged sword unfortunately. That safety switch had stranded a lot of people, but it could have helped in this situation
@@Bryce_Cardinal I run a tki block with the TSS, I do however Carry a bypass plug in my dash bag just in case.
@@Drew-in-NoDaksame.
You got off pretty good. Could have easily been a write off
You need to learn to let go if it stuck wide open let go
Awesome video!
The stock polaris throttle has a safety mechanism to prevent this! You cannot say it was the polaris throttle being stuck that caused this. You put an aftermarket throttle on the sled that was the cause of this.
These new machines have no stuck throttle switches anymore? I was under the impression it was part of the regulations!
Would you be willing to give me a price on that smashed up pipe you have? I would like to try something with it and play around if you could please let me know what you are asking for it I would appreciate it.
It's all yours if you want it haha It will just be going to the dump otherwise.
FYI cat has a TTS sensor so that won't happen
Never a good idea to delete your TSS. I run a TKI block that uses the TSS. I keep a Munster TSS bypass in my backpack.
Need to keep teacher on, and have a safety switch, danger to riding partners would be top priority
Are they gonna warranty you even though you had an aftermarket throttle block on there? Maybe that wasn’t the right thing to video… 🤷🏼♂️
backwoods for the win! Nice crocks, haha
Shop crocs for the win! Haha
@Bryce_Cardinal not gonna lie, I have a pair I work in my garage wearing as well when it's warm. That's why I said something.
NO TEITHER ?
Had his tether on , he explains in video all happen so fast and was in close proximity to his buddy and trees , and panic set in so he steered the sled clear of his buddy and smacked the tree , he said he should of pulled his tether , but said likely would of still hit tree as she was carrying major momentum being wide open ,
All in all, you got pretty lucky with the unlucky situation.
I certainly think so, it could have been a lot worse!
If trees were illegal, this sort of thing wouldn’t happen.
Your should tattoo the tree you hit on your arm
Polaris won’t help you with this one since the throttle safety switch was bypassed with the use of the aftermarket throttle block.
Keep this in mind fellas if you have aftermarket throttle block! Switch is there for a reason.
Super awesome 👍
shes mint.. send it
Unfortunate location for that to happen! If you'd been in a meadow, might have made for a nervous laugh and walk it off. You did a good job not hitting your buddy, that's what matters!
Good ole Polaris lol
Polaris life
Why wouldn't you just shut it off?
Pull the brakes!!!!
He tried that first , did work
Good thing you have more than one, if that happened to me it's back home to Michigan
Tether………………..
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