What’s crazy about Giannis in transition is his handle in transition, and the different angles he’s able to adjust his body to beat a lot of transition defenses. He can misdirect step you, euro step you, slithery around you, decel you, all while being 7’0. To his handle, his speed with the ball is so rare at the height it’s odee, special player
Gotta show Marz love for the Hornets segment right out the gate. Also, if Ant's onball defense keeps regressing, that 2020 redraft might get real interesting by the end of the season 👀
Maybe a point guard's job isn't to pass the ball but it's to bring about the best scoring opportunity for their team, and the best scoring opportunity for the hornets is generally just gonna be Lamelo shooting that shit
Im here post gils arena and just wanna say thank you for the real basketball conversation yall have compared to other shows its chess and checkers bruh. It's sad. Content wise most if not all these ex pro pods are cleared by you guys. Shout out yall fellas. Thanks.
If Giannis midrange is sustainable, then Giannis is more lethal than Jokic. Most of Joker’s points and assists come in the post or the short roll. Yes, Jokic plays the point by bringing the ball up at times but that’s mostly in transition. Most of Jokic point center stuff happens in the two man action with him & Murray, Jokic stuff happens more within a system compared to Giannis. Giannis actually brings the ball up more often like a PG than Jokic and slashes to the paint. Giannis constant rim pressure makes him more dangerous than Jokic cause Giannis can do things without assistance. With Giannis midrange jumper, it forces defenses to guard him closer. Marz said defenses won’t change how they guard Giannis with his improved jumper but I disagree cause defenses just letting Giannis shoot open middys all game with no resistance won’t be advantageous for the defense, they won’t have no other choice but to guard Giannis closer if Giannis makes his middys and if that happen it’s a highway to the basket. I can’t say for certain Giannis is better than Jokic but Giannis defense gives him the advantage and Giannis being more dynamic getting to the rim than Jokic makes Giannis more dangerous especially with Giannis new added middy
Giannis is definitely a top three player ever in transition. He’s borderline unstoppable hes a locomotive coming down the court with control. Teams literally have a game plan for it and it don’t work lol
😂😂😂First, I didn't think my Superchat would turn into a Jokic vs. Dirk debate. That's crazy. And, Big OX, I never said Jokic was on the same level as a prime LeBron, whether it's Miami LeBron or 2018 LeBron. All I said was I would have loved to watch a matchup of this version of Jokic vs. prime LeBron, them going ban for ban.
1:05:05 marz this is cool and all but you just saying those years is leaving out ALOT of context😂😂 like for instance when lebron Goes to a team, he doesnt go alone lol
@MarzTalksSports gotta remember what Jimmy Butler we talking about. That was top 5 player in the league Jimmy Butler. Sent Giannis and the Bucks home from the 8th seed with undrafted players Jimmy Butler. The one handed fadeaway off the inbound while falling down to send the game to OT Jimmy Butler. Jayson Tatum should be scared of that guy fr
I dont think I find myself disagreeing with anyone on the panel more than Jordan 😂. And that's crazy because we're both Texas boys. That man be YAPPING! Not valuing passing and the ability to get your teammates involved in transition is crazy. Then the whole AD is soft thing. Nobody soft would be top 5-10 in rebounding every year. You're in the trenches when you're under the basket grabbing boards, battling for position, getting bumped and hit by other bigs. AD for the past few years is constantly at the top of the league when it comes to contested rebounds.
@@ryleyb3256 lol I was just playin fam. I’m drinking a hot grande white chocolate mocha with oat milk and an extra shot of espresso as I type this… W Starbucks on a low energy day… with that being said I do prefer black coffee no cream no sugar.
For all the kids that weren't there to see it - 2011 Dirk is not better than peak Jokic. Dirk had a better team around him, especially on the defensive side. Jokic had a historic individual playoff run in 2023 and won in spite of his team. Compare their numbers, but also just watch the games. And don't fall victims to nostalgia.
@MarzTalksSports How is it crazy to say he won "in spite of his team"? Look at his teammates when Jokic is off the floor. Look at his teammates that left Denver. And Ox - Mavs run was better, but individually Jokic was better than Dirk.
Respect to chill u add a lot to the show in general but it’s getting old with u saying these roles of positions and specifically point guards. The league had evolved and specifically the point guard has more than any other position so holding 90s standards for these guards of the modern day is a little out of touch
It seems the convo around basketball being simple or complex keeps coming up every episode. You should make it a topic. 1:14:34 Ox does that mean Al Horford is soft. He hides his face from rebounds lol
The NBA is rigged, we just love hoop and it’s apart of most peoples lives so most have cognitive dissonance towards acknowledging that money has corrupted the game. Marz daily cap for Jalen Green is just another coping mechanism to not say he’s in the way of Reed Sheppard and Amen Thompson development. Chill was wrong about KAT guarding Jokic vs vice versa, Jokic actually settles for too much 3s and gets lazy offensively vs KAT for some reason, went 2/7 from 3 yesterday and looked uninterested. W PC, good episode today.
To imply Bron and giannis isn’t close and giannis is by far better is why it’s hard to watch sports podcasts and shows. Like u don’t have to go far left to prove your right. Like marz said there the 2 best ever at it and u gone go far left just to be different. U can say he’s slightly better and it’s cool. That’s like sayin Mj and KD midranges ain’t close. Corny bruh!
Its crazy it took no Swipa and Pen to get some positive Giannis discourse.
W Panel, W show, W Ron hope all is good bro 🙏
What’s crazy about Giannis in transition is his handle in transition, and the different angles he’s able to adjust his body to beat a lot of transition defenses. He can misdirect step you, euro step you, slithery around you, decel you, all while being 7’0. To his handle, his speed with the ball is so rare at the height it’s odee, special player
ridiculous player
This is why I have found the Giannis unskilled narrative to be dumb. Lots of people at his height can't do the things he can do.
@@Matthew-xl5bc*ahem* James Harden *ahem*
Gotta show Marz love for the Hornets segment right out the gate. Also, if Ant's onball defense keeps regressing, that 2020 redraft might get real interesting by the end of the season 👀
he has higher offensive load and has gotten better offensivley how is it getting interesting plus melo looking great
@ i don’t get your question bro, are you saying ants offensive load has gotten higher?
@@InnGee yea specially with kat gone
@@nh_flex8922 That's true, I still feel Lamelo has been better offensively and probably defensively as well.
Maybe a point guard's job isn't to pass the ball but it's to bring about the best scoring opportunity for their team, and the best scoring opportunity for the hornets is generally just gonna be Lamelo shooting that shit
Yall gotta respect brandon miller bruh
@@Bonedupshortsnah
Giannis is a 6'11 mixture of 06 Bron and prime Russell Westbrook😂 hes still my best in the world
Im here post gils arena and just wanna say thank you for the real basketball conversation yall have compared to other shows its chess and checkers bruh. It's sad. Content wise most if not all these ex pro pods are cleared by you guys. Shout out yall fellas. Thanks.
john d gotta add some sauce to his takes, he always start talking about the box score and statlines, some reps for him on from the logo would help
from the logo is the g league?
@bigcharc yeah lol, gifted is on a 2-way sometimes get some minutes with the main team 😂
Cam whitmore to the rio grande valley vipers
@@MarzTalksSports fr, in his rookie season he came back better
If you want my full takes check out the hooptalk podcast, also what would be more sauce? cus I think I mix stats and eye test pretty well
No mavs talk? Kyrie 4th q masterclass while half the team sick?
word on the street is that jordan is my son 👀 hows it going Jr make sure u do ur homework
Mannnn you lying on me
@ so the streets is lying?
Marz Brung His Son To Work Today ‘ That Was Dope To See ‘ Absolutely
@@MarzTalksSportsain’t they say streets is a myth 😂😂
Marz ain’t no streets where u from. Y’all fight with cups of coffee and chips mate .. cheerio 😂😂😂
If Giannis midrange is sustainable, then Giannis is more lethal than Jokic. Most of Joker’s points and assists come in the post or the short roll.
Yes, Jokic plays the point by bringing the ball up at times but that’s mostly in transition. Most of Jokic point center stuff happens in the two man action with him & Murray, Jokic stuff happens more within a system compared to Giannis.
Giannis actually brings the ball up more often like a PG than Jokic and slashes to the paint. Giannis constant rim pressure makes him more dangerous than Jokic cause Giannis can do things without assistance. With Giannis midrange jumper, it forces defenses to guard him closer.
Marz said defenses won’t change how they guard Giannis with his improved jumper but I disagree cause defenses just letting Giannis shoot open middys all game with no resistance won’t be advantageous for the defense, they won’t have no other choice but to guard Giannis closer if Giannis makes his middys and if that happen it’s a highway to the basket.
I can’t say for certain Giannis is better than Jokic but Giannis defense gives him the advantage and Giannis being more dynamic getting to the rim than Jokic makes Giannis more dangerous especially with Giannis new added middy
This is a great comment.
John with the durag is crazy. He finna go to turkey for the transplant
1:50:30 chilltown getting cooked in boxing is crazy
Great Show Today, Sending Love And Prayers To Ron And His Family 🙏🏾🩶
S/O the brotherhood!💪🏿💪🏿
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@@drenchmansports 💪🏿✊🏿!
Giannis is definitely a top three player ever in transition. He’s borderline unstoppable hes a locomotive coming down the court with control. Teams literally have a game plan for it and it don’t work lol
W marz for opening the show with my hornets , I think once mark comes back , Melos assists with go up
20:17 , HEALTH , WE NEED HEALTH first , then perimeter defense
Of course, Swipa is not here today but he stayed running his mouth bout the Lakers yesterday. What was Jokic +_ yesterday??
He gave jokic most of the blame on Twitter, he’s never here everyday
@@dasecka1019 tied with the lowest +/- on his team last night 😭😭😭
@@Implementingdynamics Hmmm interesting and was horrible defensively but I guess we not going to talk about that cause his a great offensive player
@@dasecka1019 lmao😭 this man Jokic stay tryna kick the ball on purpose to avoid getting cooked 😭😭😭
1:03:23 Giannis doesnt get much love on PC bar marz and W host, so shootout jordan for this 🔥🔥🔥🔥
3 hours… ya need time stamps.
Houston convo was good. L Jalen Green and L Reed for not being the new Steph Curry in year 1.
😂😂😂First, I didn't think my Superchat would turn into a Jokic vs. Dirk debate. That's crazy. And, Big OX, I never said Jokic was on the same level as a prime LeBron, whether it's Miami LeBron or 2018 LeBron. All I said was I would have loved to watch a matchup of this version of Jokic vs. prime LeBron, them going ban for ban.
@MarzTalksSports Where would you rank Giannis offensively in the league currently if he is able to sustain his midrange shooting
erm top 10 forsure idk where
@@MarzTalksSportsI would for sure have Jokic, Luka, SGA, Curry add of him. I could see Giannis ranging from 5-8 after that.
@ valid
@@Matthew-xl5bche should be at least 2 curry be above Giannis rn would be Nostalgia sga I like but no luka cause Luke will end up picking it up fair
1:05:05 marz this is cool and all but you just saying those years is leaving out ALOT of context😂😂 like for instance when lebron Goes to a team, he doesnt go alone lol
W Panel and big W to Ox for defending the big german goat Dirk🤝
@@SaKuL_W Ima gladly go to war for Dirk against pretty much anybody except KG
@@BIGOXMedia even KG didn’t want it with Dirk 😤 but I understand that one. Those matchups of Dirk KG or Duncan were always the best battles.
@ Absolutely nobody wanted it with Dirk but still it’s KG over EVERYBODY.
W ron. Praying for you vro 💜
Wish I could mute Jordan’s mic
Why…. Would u like to be friends ?
@@drenchmansportsnah I need my brain cells
@ ok
@@drenchmansportshe cooked u son
@@448DamonXXdamn 💀
I want Schroeder in Denver and Murray to go be the wrestler he wants to be.
I know nobody asked but I just want to announce that I don’t celebrate Christmas.😂
Marz i come to you again asking why does chet clear Jdub? Jdub is crazy bro 😂
JD need to cut up that Jaylen Brown Jayson Tatum Jimmy Butler clip ASAP so it can go viral and end up on them Gil and Teague type podcasts.
@@itszaaaamzeh facts that was wild to hear. 'jaylen brown said jayson tatum was scared of jimmy butler'
@MarzTalksSports gotta remember what Jimmy Butler we talking about. That was top 5 player in the league Jimmy Butler. Sent Giannis and the Bucks home from the 8th seed with undrafted players Jimmy Butler. The one handed fadeaway off the inbound while falling down to send the game to OT Jimmy Butler. Jayson Tatum should be scared of that guy fr
I’ll take Aaron Affflalo as my role player. I wish he woulda played on a competitive team aside from Denver (faux competitive, GK sabotaged it.
I dont think I find myself disagreeing with anyone on the panel more than Jordan 😂. And that's crazy because we're both Texas boys. That man be YAPPING! Not valuing passing and the ability to get your teammates involved in transition is crazy. Then the whole AD is soft thing. Nobody soft would be top 5-10 in rebounding every year. You're in the trenches when you're under the basket grabbing boards, battling for position, getting bumped and hit by other bigs. AD for the past few years is constantly at the top of the league when it comes to contested rebounds.
You not from Texas you from Austin that’s a different world
@drenchmansports nah I'm from Dallas.
06 Clippers vs 09 Cavs who y’all got?
cavs
The Cavs beating them in 5
Wow no Jaden Ivey and pistons talk
there was some pistons talk
Only team chill will watch every game of this year is Boston
Real hoops back.
DRINKING COFFEE IS SOFT???
@@ryleyb3256 lol I was just playin fam. I’m drinking a hot grande white chocolate mocha with oat milk and an extra shot of espresso as I type this… W Starbucks on a low energy day… with that being said I do prefer black coffee no cream no sugar.
@@BIGOXMedia😂😂😂😂😂 nice way to clean that up
Jordan has some bad takes for sure but hes HILARIOUS 😂😂😂1:45:13 😭😭 why is bro so rude for
For all the kids that weren't there to see it - 2011 Dirk is not better than peak Jokic. Dirk had a better team around him, especially on the defensive side. Jokic had a historic individual playoff run in 2023 and won in spite of his team. Compare their numbers, but also just watch the games. And don't fall victims to nostalgia.
won 'in spite of his team' is crazy
I said 05-08 but his 2011 run CLEARS whatever you think Jokic did.
@MarzTalksSports How is it crazy to say he won "in spite of his team"? Look at his teammates when Jokic is off the floor. Look at his teammates that left Denver. And Ox - Mavs run was better, but individually Jokic was better than Dirk.
Acting like the nuggets werent elite is insane. Murray played like cavs kyrie irving and niggas acting like he was eric mayner 🤦🏾♂️
@ if you say so… we are aloud to disagree
Nuggets get blew out by the Knicks surprise surprise no swippa today😂😂😂😂😂
L episode jordan was a part of it
Can we be friends?
BROTHERHOOD ✊🏿
Respect to chill u add a lot to the show in general but it’s getting old with u saying these roles of positions and specifically point guards. The league had evolved and specifically the point guard has more than any other position so holding 90s standards for these guards of the modern day is a little out of touch
Give us TJD and moody frm Golden state and y’all can have Vuc
No😭😭😭😭
Yes y’all take this all star and give us a young exciting big and All nba role player Moses moody
It seems the convo around basketball being simple or complex keeps coming up every episode. You should make it a topic.
1:14:34 Ox does that mean Al Horford is soft. He hides his face from rebounds lol
Al never been soft
@BIGOXMedia You seen those comps of Al hiding his face look it up. Funny af
@ naw I never seen that and I’m certainly not gunna go looking for it lol. Ignorance is bliss
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Tari Eason Or amen Thompson Points+Rebounds Tonite?
@@howitzdone8992 dont bet on my players youll make them ass. bet on jalen greens under
Taking JG Fred And Jabari Over since u didn’t awnser my question
@@MarzTalksSports taking Rockets moneyline 2
@@howitzdone8992 smdh now we gonna lose by 40
The NBA is rigged, we just love hoop and it’s apart of most peoples lives so most have cognitive dissonance towards acknowledging that money has corrupted the game.
Marz daily cap for Jalen Green is just another coping mechanism to not say he’s in the way of Reed Sheppard and Amen Thompson development.
Chill was wrong about KAT guarding Jokic vs vice versa, Jokic actually settles for too much 3s and gets lazy offensively vs KAT for some reason, went 2/7 from 3 yesterday and looked uninterested.
W PC, good episode today.
@@tayluc777 where did i cap for JG today?
@@MarzTalksSportsusing the small sample sizes of the past to continue to have hope 😂
@@tayluc777 I didnt even say i have hope what i said was ive never seen someone have those flashes and be so bad consistently
20:55 , IF HE CANT HOLD UP CHILL, IM READY TO PICK UP THE TELEPHONE FOR KESSLER 🫡
@@adifferentpointofview6502 not a bad call to make. I’m sure Danny is ready to get off of Walker over since the emergence of my cult brother
To imply Bron and giannis isn’t close and giannis is by far better is why it’s hard to watch sports podcasts and shows. Like u don’t have to go far left to prove your right. Like marz said there the 2 best ever at it and u gone go far left just to be different. U can say he’s slightly better and it’s cool. That’s like sayin Mj and KD midranges ain’t close. Corny bruh!