@@chykim1 He did not. Whatever ancient sources claim, whatever the historicity behind them, killing children is not one of the charges uttered against Tiberius. It is often claimed he had them flung off a cliff, but that is a modern fantasy and conflates two different things, as the sexual charge (Suet. Tib. 43-45) is completely separated from the charge he had people thrown from a cliff (Suet. Tib. 62).
I don't want to get into the debate about Tiberius' sexual practices, but even if Tiberius didn't abuse Caligula or introduce him to sexual depravity, Tiberius was responsible for the death of Caligula's mother and two elder brothers, and many believed he had Caligula's father, Germanicus poisoned, so Caligula was pretty much fouled up by Tiberius.
Those are rumors that cannot literally be proven and are only attested in two sources, Tacitus and Suetonius - and even those two sources don't exactly tell the same story. Almost all the authors, even the ones hostile to Tiberius - Seneca, Josephus, Dio - don't seem to know anything about Tiberius' depravity, which is... kinda suspicious, to say the least. Aside from their veracity, however, those lurid tales are certainly more interesting under the point of view of the lexicon and the Roman society - why are those practices considered monstrous? Are they attested anywhere else? How should we translate spintriae and sellarii? Edward Champlin's work is certainly a pretty good one at it.
@@jckdnls9292 You're right, but question is: where is the fire? Before Tacitus, before Suetonius there's no hint of it. Is this fire any relevant? We don't know. We can't know. There's no strong evidence to suggest Tiberius did those things in Capri - there's no strong evidence he did not do them, either. We simply can't know. The real Tiberius lurks behind those stories - to what extent they are truthful, is beyond our knowledge. We'd need a larger number of sources even from Tiberius, or Gaius, Claudius, Nero, Flavian era. Maybe Seneca the Elder, Pliny the Elder, Servilius Nonianus, Cluvius Rufus, this kind of historians. I'm sure those tales did not come from thin air - however, we cannot recostruct their written tradition. The fact Tacitus mentions something that Suetonius does not - the whole kidnapping children thing - is interesting. The fact Suetonius casts some doubts upon some of Tiberius' vices - the minnows thing, for example - indicates there was some kind of confusing, hostile tradition. Recostructing the truthfulness of it is beyond our possibilities - thus, the wisest thing to do is analyze them under a linguistic, cultural point of view. We simply cannot know the veridicity behind those stories.
@@jckdnls9292 I'll add that I'm actually pretty positive on those stories, since they fall within a broader cultural trend - their cultural significance is pretty interesting as well. However, I'm a bit cautious at accepting them. They are monstrous and scandalous - the fact no 1st century writer seems to know anything about them (like Seneca harshly criticizes the accusation frenzy under Tiberius, even though he praises him elsewhere by claiming his early years were as good as Augustus' - he had no reason to hide Tiberius' vices) encourages further analysis.
@@bacillus2424 Well, actually, all 'bad' emperors have a reputation of depravity. Domitian, we're told, swam with a pack of prostitutes. Nero allegedly raped Britannicus. But even 'good' emperors were not sexually restrained. Augustus and Trajan were two pederasts. Now, private pastimes of the emperors were variegate, but it's safe to assume there was no clear division between non depraved and depraved ones. To put it simply, 'bad' emperors' private pastimes were incensed and turned into tokens of evil. 'Good' emperors' private deeds, instead, were downplayed, ignored, or treated as what they were - private pastimes. It's a matter or perception. It's certainly possible, even likely that Tiberius engaged in some form of activity - but subsequent embellishments stepped in. Details about his palace in Capri are even contradictory: Suetonius claims that Tiberius had a erotic painting in his room, while Pliny earlier claims that the painting depicted... a priest. The details retold by Suetonius are based on literary evidences, not eyewitness testimony.
@@tiberiuscave4617 I understand your hesitation to accept these stories as historically accurate from the scarce source material we have, especially since he isolated himself for much of the time period where this is supposed to have taken place; but none of the stories about him are in any way unrealistic or even all that unusual, considering we know that men in absolute power often turn to pedophilia to satisfy their urges to always push the boundaries, challenge what is viewed as acceptible, and satisfy their urges to use power to humiliate. This is incredibly common, and is merely a natural inclination for an all powerful emperor testing out the extent of his powers, just like a child hitting another child to test boundaries, albeit infinitely darker. We also know that men in absolute power have often used executions as a way of dealing with those who fall out of favor, and coupling that with the edge of the spectacular cliffs of Capri being just meters outside his chambers, it really would be controverial to NOT believe he threw his enemies or dissappointing servants off the edge to their deaths. So, if the stories about him are not true, it would surprise me greatly, and would even shock me to my core in a way.
Caligula joined Tiberius on Capri when Caligula was 19. He couldn't have been a minnow, unless you're saying homosexuality is the same as pedophilia. (Moot point tho since they did not have a sexual relationship, like you imply.)
Oh yu where there? Look at this pedo trying to defend homosexuality The grandfather abused the grand son and the effects show Africans tan Egypt African braids etc and Roman’s depiction of Egyptians where black
Wasn't even sexual in the slightest anyway, withdrawing Caligula was to protect the young prince from the ambitious Sejanus. Not a coincidence that, in the same year, A.D 31, Caligula is taken to Capri and Sejanus is executed.
Those accounts are not contemporary. Historians always invented horror stories about disliked emperors. Ask yourself - where did they receive this information?
I think I learned more historical facts from the comments of this video, at the very least it’s encouraging me to go out and do the research myself. Something tells me this video was the tip of the iceberg of this topic.
There's a pretty interesting discussion on Tiberius' sex life. Edward Champlin's Sex on Capri, 2011, is the best modern analysis on the topic. I suggest you to look it up.
@@tiberiuscave4617 No it isn't, he uses Suetonius, Tacitus and Dio as his sources who are now by know as untrustworthy at best and propaganda and slander at worst. Jesus just look at the headline of the video Pedophile Tiberius as if there is unbiased Historical Sources that proves that. Suetonius 12 Ceasars are absolute garbage in determining any of the Emperors; Character, Opinions, Lifestyle and Psychology. Suetonius and Tacitus lived decades after Tiberius death while Dio 200y after, and neitheir they or their family members were close to the emperors. They are known for their personal dislike for Julio-Claudian dynastic family, hell Suetonius always took side of Senate against Princeps rule and had sympathetic views Repblican times.
Comments about Tiberius Character and Lifestyle are not FACTS. There are no known credible historical sources especially during the reign of Tiberius in 14-37 AD about his Personal Life. So calling him Pedophile or sexual deviant is just carrying water for those who spread this slander against historical figure who we know little. There are bunch of tales, myths and legends about Tiberius, but they no different from someone who wrote fiction book on Tiberius. There is so much sensationalism around Roman Emperors from hystorical literature to modern ones, that most normies and amateurs take them as a facts
Tiberius was said to have syphilitic dementia which became obvious in later life. Caligula was regaled as a great leader and then he too suddenly became perverse. We know Tiberius had used Caligula sexually as a child,is it possible Tiberius's syphilis ruined both grandfather and grandson??
Does anyone else ever just sit and think like damn. How could someone so evil and disgusting be allowed to rule the world? These emperors were so fucked up.
He, Suetonius, continued Veranius's policy of aggressively subduing the tribes of modern Wales, and was successful for his first two years in the post. His reputation as a general came to rival that of Gnaeus Domitius Corbulo. Suetonius made an assault on the island of Mona (Anglesey), a refuge for British fugitives and a stronghold of the druids. The tribes of the south-east took advantage of his absence and staged a revolt, led by queen Boudica of the Iceni. The colonia of Camulodunum (Colchester) was destroyed, its inhabitants tortured, raped, and slaughtered, and Petillius Cerialis's legion routed. Suetonius brought Mona to terms and marched along the Roman road of Watling Street to Londinium (London), the rebels' next target, but judged he did not have the numbers to defend the city and ordered it evacuated. The Britons duly destroyed it, the citizens of Londinium suffering the same fate as those of Camulodunum, and then did the same to Verulamium (St Albans). Source: Geni
The Roman Empire was not 1000 years empire. It was 2000 years empire. 753 BC to 1453 AD. That’s 2206 years. I still have issues with people seeing and judging the past through present days views, mentality. We blame past people with something what some present day people consider normal.
Because it was so long ago we have to patch together what happened though the few remaining texts. For this two notable historians of the time wrote about his island deeds. Though it is important to note that other historians of the time disagree with there stance. I published the video to discuss and interesting possibility of what happened on his island
@@HITM_True Yeah, but those two historians, Tacitus and Suetonius were biased against Tiberius. It's likely that the tales of his depravity are exaggerated or they just didn't happen at all.
U can literally ask this question to anything u know. Obviously we don't know everything but from what was recorded we can understand and piece everything together
some commentary as to the veracity of Tiberius' perverse behaviour. guess the dark side of Tiberius has survived because luridness is of human interest.
there's a lot of internet misinformation regarding the classics. reference texts are the best sources. the second Roman emperor was such a freakazoid and so wholly in contrast to his prececessor Augustus @@mindrolling24
Least ur taking it like a man other people are in denial tough Africans also where in Egypt with braids explains all and Roman’s depiction of Egyptians was also in bronze statue Africans
It’s amazing how much of this is based on the premise if someone wrote this down it must be the truth. I suppose if its on u tube it must be the absolute truth. When it comes down to it HIS STORY is just heresay until someone writes it down on a piece off papyrus.
Yes, exactly. Since almost all of these stories are based on the writings of a SINGLE person -- Seutonius -- and he was well-known to be an inaccurate "historian" with a bias against the Caesars, I think all of this should be taken with a grain of salt. The fact that his writings are still intact after almost 2000 years is the classical equivalent of teenage boys passing around smutty novels. (Do they still do that? No? Probably just Snapchat boob pics.) 😒
They should have thrown Tiberius off the cliff in beautiful Capri. Also where did all these young children come from? they had to be imported to the island? Philadelphia USA
Great video!!! Some people actually click onto videos, solely to try and "debunk" or correct videos they deem inaccurate! Since you guys are so smart, post your own videos & get off of people's pages who's actually making their own and doing the best they can!! Neither of us were alive during that time, so you'll be speculating as well!!!
Shut yo bish as yo yo history is full of kitty lovers and rapist sick fuck I’m ORIGINAL AFRICAN OF EGYPT BRAIDS tell u the truth Roman depiction of Africans also explains
>calls Nero insane >only employs Suetonian accounts regarding his time on Capri >doesn't even entertain the fact Sejanus might have facilitated his withdrawal -- Tiberius probably did engage in hedonistic pursuits on Capri, but he probably was not a pedophile. Suetonius just fucking hated Tiberius and sensationalises his debauched lifestyle. The start of the video gives Tiberius too much credit too -- he always had a distaste for Roman politics and only went on campaign when made to by Augustus. Tactius (ann) and Suetonius (Tib) explain that his marriage for Vipsania (an adult woman, by the way) was healthy and happy. Augustus, for want to secure a strong dynasty, had him divorce her and marry Julia to better position him to become princeps. Suetonius (Tib) gives a good anecdote regarding how this affected Tiberius: that, upon discovering she had been remarried, he followed her through the streets of Rome, weeping. Not coincidentally, he withdrew to Rhodes (in an extremely similar fashion to his withdrawal to Capri) a few years later. Frederick Pohl says this was where his hedonism started, which I agree with. His mental health jeopardised by Roman dynastic politics, he withdrew to Rhodes and attempted to drown his grief for Vipsania by developing some bad habits. Also, he didn't have Caligula come to Capri to have him become a "minnow" or whatever. I wrote an undergraduate paper than concluded that Caligula was probably taken to Capri because some sort of incontrovertible evidence that Sejanus was plotting to have the prince killed came to light (if you want the actual arguments taking that apart, let me know). Caligula's time on Capri was to protect him from harm, not do harm ON him. His own toxicity is probably a mix of Tiberius' influence and his own unstable psyche. He would have witnessed Tiberius' hedonism, yes, but he was also the first heir who actually knew what the position princeps actually meant. His father, Germanicus, was heir before him, and his adoptive grandfather was princeps. Caligula undoubtedly grew up in an extremely protected, spoilt environment, and was given a position of power when he had grown up arrogant. I'd say he was a hornier version of Joffrey from Game of Thrones. Side note, Nero wasn't really insane. He was another arrogant princeps, but his insanity is a fictitious conception born of the aristocratic historiography that we have of him. His love of performance, femininity, and bisexuality was at the peril of the Roman elite (he would sing, dance, act, wed male slaves, and cross-dress), it was deeply embarrassing for them, but he was actually adored by the plebs because of these things and his (relatively) empathetic conduct as emperor.
I find it rather two faced that the romans scorned Tiberius for being a pedophile, when the roman nobility and rich were regularly having sex with children, both male and female. Of course, most of the children were slaves, so they were not looked on as being human. So the romans considering it wrong to molest a child, unless the child was a slave, and then it was just fine. There was no shame attached to sexually abusing a slave.
Tiberius was actually a nice guy, he didn't want to be in charge of all that Roman crap, he bought himself a tent and actually moved to Sicily, where he lived rough for 15 months. He fell in love with a fisherman's daughter, Callera of Marzamemi, and they had two daughters and a son. They later bought a farm just outside of San Lorenzo, and lived there for the rest of their lives. The son was partially famous for inventing a type of crossbow that could hold three rounds of bolts that could be used without reloading. The eldest daughter married a local priest and they died at an old age without children. Not much is known about the younger daughter or her fate. Some say her name was Loriel, but this was never verified. The imposter who took over Tiberius' place as Emperor was never found out, so his identity was never discovered.
What a nonsense. Suetonius: What do you expect from the enemy against Boudicca and her lineage of the Holy Family of Iesu, if not slander and deliberately fomented discredit against them?
Dam, you taught me something I had on idea of, I mean it's certainly not hard to believe but I mean Rome and Greece was something serious. I just watched another short history of Rome about how they burned or threw hermorphadites off the mountain tops.
Biden never partied it up with Epstein and Maxwell. Nor did he enjoy walking through underage beauty pageant dressing rooms or tell pre-teen girls he'd like to date them.
you have a negative opinion of the President, so you spew hatred in comments to feel better about yourself & the situation? Okay, whatever, you have that right. But just know that while you compare Tiberius & Pedos to Biden & his "roaches," you have been grossly misled & are erroneously informed. And roaches sounds racist af.
Oh really, that's what you thought of? I was thinking of tRump and the paid prostitutes who would swing on the trapeze above his bed urinating on him (as the Russian blackmailing story goes). Such a "good Christian man," huh right-wing cultists? "God's Holy instrument to bring forth His kingdom"?? You cultists are so deluded no amount of deprogramming will ever suffice. 😱😒👎
Sounds like a personal issue like you don't like him lol he's the best emperor because he got rid of that one guy who claims to be you know what 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼🤣🤣
What evidence is there that he was involved in the death of Christ? Any supposed letters from Pilate indicate that he made the decision alone to squash any potential Jewish rebellion because he was denied military support and only had one centurion at the time which would have been wholly inadequate to deal with an uprising.
Interestingly, this guy sounds like what modern day politicians and rulers have been implicated in
THANKFULLY, there are those of us that can PRAY, God HEARS our prayers, and change CAN happen...!
Because the roman empire still exists ....
Sexual predators have always been a thing
if you know a thing or 2 the US is the modern rome
nullum novum sub sole
Tiberius was the 1st Epstein
I am sure there were many before him
But worse, because he actually killed small children.
@@chykim1 He did not. Whatever ancient sources claim, whatever the historicity behind them, killing children is not one of the charges uttered against Tiberius. It is often claimed he had them flung off a cliff, but that is a modern fantasy and conflates two different things, as the sexual charge (Suet. Tib. 43-45) is completely separated from the charge he had people thrown from a cliff (Suet. Tib. 62).
These vile beings just can't leave innocent children alone. This sickness has been around way too long. So gut wrenching & horrific to hear.
He even had his island (Capri) 😅
I don't want to get into the debate about Tiberius' sexual practices, but even if Tiberius didn't abuse Caligula or introduce him to sexual depravity, Tiberius was responsible for the death of Caligula's mother and two elder brothers, and many believed he had Caligula's father, Germanicus poisoned, so Caligula was pretty much fouled up by Tiberius.
This is where the lack of a thumbs down button comes into play
Those are rumors that cannot literally be proven and are only attested in two sources, Tacitus and Suetonius - and even those two sources don't exactly tell the same story. Almost all the authors, even the ones hostile to Tiberius - Seneca, Josephus, Dio - don't seem to know anything about Tiberius' depravity, which is... kinda suspicious, to say the least. Aside from their veracity, however, those lurid tales are certainly more interesting under the point of view of the lexicon and the Roman society - why are those practices considered monstrous? Are they attested anywhere else? How should we translate spintriae and sellarii? Edward Champlin's work is certainly a pretty good one at it.
Where there's smoke there's fire
@@jckdnls9292 You're right, but question is: where is the fire? Before Tacitus, before Suetonius there's no hint of it. Is this fire any relevant? We don't know. We can't know. There's no strong evidence to suggest Tiberius did those things in Capri - there's no strong evidence he did not do them, either. We simply can't know. The real Tiberius lurks behind those stories - to what extent they are truthful, is beyond our knowledge. We'd need a larger number of sources even from Tiberius, or Gaius, Claudius, Nero, Flavian era. Maybe Seneca the Elder, Pliny the Elder, Servilius Nonianus, Cluvius Rufus, this kind of historians. I'm sure those tales did not come from thin air - however, we cannot recostruct their written tradition. The fact Tacitus mentions something that Suetonius does not - the whole kidnapping children thing - is interesting. The fact Suetonius casts some doubts upon some of Tiberius' vices - the minnows thing, for example - indicates there was some kind of confusing, hostile tradition. Recostructing the truthfulness of it is beyond our possibilities - thus, the wisest thing to do is analyze them under a linguistic, cultural point of view. We simply cannot know the veridicity behind those stories.
@@jckdnls9292 I'll add that I'm actually pretty positive on those stories, since they fall within a broader cultural trend - their cultural significance is pretty interesting as well. However, I'm a bit cautious at accepting them. They are monstrous and scandalous - the fact no 1st century writer seems to know anything about them (like Seneca harshly criticizes the accusation frenzy under Tiberius, even though he praises him elsewhere by claiming his early years were as good as Augustus' - he had no reason to hide Tiberius' vices) encourages further analysis.
@@bacillus2424 Well, actually, all 'bad' emperors have a reputation of depravity. Domitian, we're told, swam with a pack of prostitutes. Nero allegedly raped Britannicus. But even 'good' emperors were not sexually restrained. Augustus and Trajan were two pederasts. Now, private pastimes of the emperors were variegate, but it's safe to assume there was no clear division between non depraved and depraved ones. To put it simply, 'bad' emperors' private pastimes were incensed and turned into tokens of evil. 'Good' emperors' private deeds, instead, were downplayed, ignored, or treated as what they were - private pastimes. It's a matter or perception. It's certainly possible, even likely that Tiberius engaged in some form of activity - but subsequent embellishments stepped in. Details about his palace in Capri are even contradictory: Suetonius claims that Tiberius had a erotic painting in his room, while Pliny earlier claims that the painting depicted... a priest. The details retold by Suetonius are based on literary evidences, not eyewitness testimony.
@@tiberiuscave4617 I understand your hesitation to accept these stories as historically accurate from the scarce source material we have, especially since he isolated himself for much of the time period where this is supposed to have taken place; but none of the stories about him are in any way unrealistic or even all that unusual, considering we know that men in absolute power often turn to pedophilia to satisfy their urges to always push the boundaries, challenge what is viewed as acceptible, and satisfy their urges to use power to humiliate. This is incredibly common, and is merely a natural inclination for an all powerful emperor testing out the extent of his powers, just like a child hitting another child to test boundaries, albeit infinitely darker. We also know that men in absolute power have often used executions as a way of dealing with those who fall out of favor, and coupling that with the edge of the spectacular cliffs of Capri being just meters outside his chambers, it really would be controverial to NOT believe he threw his enemies or dissappointing servants off the edge to their deaths. So, if the stories about him are not true, it would surprise me greatly, and would even shock me to my core in a way.
Tiberius was not Caligula's grandfather, Tiberius' brother Nero Claudius Drusus was his grandfather.
He was his grandfather by adoption.
Tiberius adopted Caligula's father
I believe Tiberius was the uncle of Caligula.
Caligula joined Tiberius on Capri when Caligula was 19. He couldn't have been a minnow, unless you're saying homosexuality is the same as pedophilia. (Moot point tho since they did not have a sexual relationship, like you imply.)
Yes it is it goes hand and hand it wasn’t just grown men it’s was kids too they just use different names
homosexuality is the same as pedophilia.
Isn't there a statistic where over 50% of pedophilia cases in US are from gays?
Oh yu where there?
Look at this pedo trying to defend homosexuality
The grandfather abused the grand son and the effects show
Africans tan Egypt African braids etc and Roman’s depiction of Egyptians where black
Wasn't even sexual in the slightest anyway, withdrawing Caligula was to protect the young prince from the ambitious Sejanus. Not a coincidence that, in the same year, A.D 31, Caligula is taken to Capri and Sejanus is executed.
Sounds like Epstein’s island.
And cliff Richards Island he lives on his own island
No anything from the steppe is epstein 😅😅😅😅
Basically yh
Those accounts are not contemporary. Historians always invented horror stories about disliked emperors. Ask yourself - where did they receive this information?
Until the lion's able to tell his story, the hunter will always be the hero...
U mad ur history is sick as fuck?
While Egypt shows class and not barbarianism a.k.a Africans where majority in Egypt
Tiberius was the Emperor when Jesus lived
Not when He was born.
@@CIMAmotor no, when he died
Was this 1,000 foot cliff near Rome?
Some things never change
I think I learned more historical facts from the comments of this video, at the very least it’s encouraging me to go out and do the research myself. Something tells me this video was the tip of the iceberg of this topic.
There's a pretty interesting discussion on Tiberius' sex life. Edward Champlin's Sex on Capri, 2011, is the best modern analysis on the topic. I suggest you to look it up.
@@tiberiuscave4617 Champlin is great. I would also recommend Richard Alston's chapter on Tiberius from Aspects of Roman History
@@tiberiuscave4617 No it isn't, he uses Suetonius, Tacitus and Dio as his sources who are now by know as untrustworthy at best and propaganda and slander at worst. Jesus just look at the headline of the video Pedophile Tiberius as if there is unbiased Historical Sources that proves that. Suetonius 12 Ceasars are absolute garbage in determining any of the Emperors; Character, Opinions, Lifestyle and Psychology. Suetonius and Tacitus lived decades after Tiberius death while Dio 200y after, and neitheir they or their family members were close to the emperors. They are known for their personal dislike for Julio-Claudian dynastic family, hell Suetonius always took side of Senate against Princeps rule and had sympathetic views Repblican times.
Comments about Tiberius Character and Lifestyle are not FACTS. There are no known credible historical sources especially during the reign of Tiberius in 14-37 AD about his Personal Life. So calling him Pedophile or sexual deviant is just carrying water for those who spread this slander against historical figure who we know little. There are bunch of tales, myths and legends about Tiberius, but they no different from someone who wrote fiction book on Tiberius. There is so much sensationalism around Roman Emperors from hystorical literature to modern ones, that most normies and amateurs take them as a facts
@@AsgogaRoman historical figures are tricky because the writers often hated the people they wrote about.
Tiberius was said to have syphilitic dementia which became obvious in later life. Caligula was regaled as a great leader and then he too suddenly became perverse. We know Tiberius had used Caligula sexually as a child,is it possible Tiberius's syphilis ruined both grandfather and grandson??
That would be medical sensation, given that the first recorded case of Syphilis is from 1495 and is believed to have originated in the Americas.
They weren't blood-related. Tiberius adopted Caligula.
His real grandfather was Nero Claudius.
@@Jauhl1 I have to dispute with you…the archeologists have found the organism that caused syphilis back in Roman times.
What? No source even mentions the possibility Tiberius and Caligula had sexual intercourse. That's some strange modern fiction.
Excused white people always use some type of condition to explain away their demonic savage behavior
Does anyone else ever just sit and think like damn. How could someone so evil and disgusting be allowed to rule the world? These emperors were so fucked up.
He, Suetonius, continued Veranius's policy of aggressively subduing the tribes of modern Wales, and was successful for his first two years in the post. His reputation as a general came to rival that of Gnaeus Domitius Corbulo. Suetonius made an assault on the island of Mona (Anglesey), a refuge for British fugitives and a stronghold of the druids. The tribes of the south-east took advantage of his absence and staged a revolt, led by queen Boudica of the Iceni. The colonia of Camulodunum (Colchester) was destroyed, its inhabitants tortured, raped, and slaughtered, and Petillius Cerialis's legion routed. Suetonius brought Mona to terms and marched along the Roman road of Watling Street to Londinium (London), the rebels' next target, but judged he did not have the numbers to defend the city and ordered it evacuated. The Britons duly destroyed it, the citizens of Londinium suffering the same fate as those of Camulodunum, and then did the same to Verulamium (St Albans). Source: Geni
Suetonius the historian, who wrote the 'Twelve Caesars' is a different person to Suetonius Paulinus who defeated Boudica.
What does that have to do with this
The Roman Empire was not 1000 years empire. It was 2000 years empire. 753 BC to 1453 AD. That’s 2206 years. I still have issues with people seeing and judging the past through present days views, mentality. We blame past people with something what some present day people consider normal.
Well.....ummm..... it was only officially an "empire" after 44 BCE. Before that it was a Republic.
You mean 453AD I assume? So that would be a little over 1000 years. You're off by a thousand.
@@RollinRocker Eastern Roman Empire was Roman Empire also and it was conquered by ottomans in may 29th, 1453.
@@markdean1984 You're talking about the Byzantine empire. Totally different category than ancient Rome.
@@RollinRocker Byzantine Empire was the Roman Empire
How did they know it happened so long ago is there evidence?
Because it was so long ago we have to patch together what happened though the few remaining texts. For this two notable historians of the time wrote about his island deeds. Though it is important to note that other historians of the time disagree with there stance. I published the video to discuss and interesting possibility of what happened on his island
@@HITM_True Yeah, but those two historians, Tacitus and Suetonius were biased against Tiberius. It's likely that the tales of his depravity are exaggerated or they just didn't happen at all.
They found his old Tweets
@@HITM_True All of the stories about his depravities came from only one source. The writings of Suetonius. Not verified by any other account.
U can literally ask this question to anything u know. Obviously we don't know everything but from what was recorded we can understand and piece everything together
I have read about Tiberius but was unaware that Caligula was his grandfather. surviving minnow, scary
some commentary as to the veracity of Tiberius' perverse behaviour. guess the dark side of Tiberius has survived because luridness is of human interest.
Caligula was NOT Tiberius’ grandfather and I suggest you do more research on this topic if it interests you. This video is terrible and inaccurate.
there's a lot of internet misinformation regarding the classics. reference texts are the best sources. the second Roman emperor was such a freakazoid and so wholly in contrast to his prececessor Augustus @@mindrolling24
These people was super sick .. Roman emperors
To think those people could be ancestors, is not at all comforting.
Least ur taking it like a man other people are in denial tough
Africans also where in Egypt with braids explains all and Roman’s depiction of Egyptians was also in bronze statue Africans
It’s amazing how much of this is based on the premise if someone wrote this down it must be the truth. I suppose if its on u tube it must be the absolute truth. When it comes down to it HIS STORY is just heresay until someone writes it down on a piece off papyrus.
Luckily for you, watching TH-cam isn't mandatory 🤷
Just like with books like the bible,the koran,etc!
Yes, exactly. Since almost all of these stories are based on the writings of a SINGLE person -- Seutonius -- and he was well-known to be an inaccurate "historian" with a bias against the Caesars, I think all of this should be taken with a grain of salt. The fact that his writings are still intact after almost 2000 years is the classical equivalent of teenage boys passing around smutty novels. (Do they still do that? No? Probably just Snapchat boob pics.) 😒
@@donaldekong4607 you have no evidence that the Bible is corrupted
It’s the truth weirdo…
And Egyptians where African
The braids are a give away lol why would they wear wigs
They should have thrown Tiberius off the cliff in beautiful Capri. Also where did all these young children come from? they had to be imported to the island? Philadelphia USA
Great video!!! Some people actually click onto videos, solely to try and "debunk" or correct videos they deem inaccurate! Since you guys are so smart, post your own videos & get off of people's pages who's actually making their own and doing the best they can!! Neither of us were alive during that time, so you'll be speculating as well!!!
Yes, let's suspend all our critical faculties and just gorge ourselves on spurious nonsense.
@kim ^ this kim person supports slavery and pedophilia. I wrote it down so it must be true.
@@sotony7483 it's TH-cam!! Seriously!!
Shut yo bish as yo yo history is full of kitty lovers and rapist sick fuck I’m ORIGINAL AFRICAN OF EGYPT
BRAIDS tell u the truth Roman depiction of Africans also explains
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Thanks for the video!!
>calls Nero insane
>only employs Suetonian accounts regarding his time on Capri
>doesn't even entertain the fact Sejanus might have facilitated his withdrawal
-- Tiberius probably did engage in hedonistic pursuits on Capri, but he probably was not a pedophile. Suetonius just fucking hated Tiberius and sensationalises his debauched lifestyle. The start of the video gives Tiberius too much credit too -- he always had a distaste for Roman politics and only went on campaign when made to by Augustus. Tactius (ann) and Suetonius (Tib) explain that his marriage for Vipsania (an adult woman, by the way) was healthy and happy. Augustus, for want to secure a strong dynasty, had him divorce her and marry Julia to better position him to become princeps. Suetonius (Tib) gives a good anecdote regarding how this affected Tiberius: that, upon discovering she had been remarried, he followed her through the streets of Rome, weeping. Not coincidentally, he withdrew to Rhodes (in an extremely similar fashion to his withdrawal to Capri) a few years later. Frederick Pohl says this was where his hedonism started, which I agree with. His mental health jeopardised by Roman dynastic politics, he withdrew to Rhodes and attempted to drown his grief for Vipsania by developing some bad habits.
Also, he didn't have Caligula come to Capri to have him become a "minnow" or whatever. I wrote an undergraduate paper than concluded that Caligula was probably taken to Capri because some sort of incontrovertible evidence that Sejanus was plotting to have the prince killed came to light (if you want the actual arguments taking that apart, let me know). Caligula's time on Capri was to protect him from harm, not do harm ON him. His own toxicity is probably a mix of Tiberius' influence and his own unstable psyche. He would have witnessed Tiberius' hedonism, yes, but he was also the first heir who actually knew what the position princeps actually meant. His father, Germanicus, was heir before him, and his adoptive grandfather was princeps. Caligula undoubtedly grew up in an extremely protected, spoilt environment, and was given a position of power when he had grown up arrogant. I'd say he was a hornier version of Joffrey from Game of Thrones.
Side note, Nero wasn't really insane. He was another arrogant princeps, but his insanity is a fictitious conception born of the aristocratic historiography that we have of him. His love of performance, femininity, and bisexuality was at the peril of the Roman elite (he would sing, dance, act, wed male slaves, and cross-dress), it was deeply embarrassing for them, but he was actually adored by the plebs because of these things and his (relatively) empathetic conduct as emperor.
Wait what did you study in college?
I find it rather two faced that the romans scorned Tiberius for being a pedophile, when the roman nobility and rich were regularly having sex with children, both male and female. Of course, most of the children were slaves, so they were not looked on as being human. So the romans considering it wrong to molest a child, unless the child was a slave, and then it was just fine. There was no shame attached to sexually abusing a slave.
It's a practice that was around long before him.
Is there any source at all
Suetone, vie des 12 césars
No wonder why the Roman Empire had to fall down
Where's the Proof of this??
Tiberius was actually a nice guy, he didn't want to be in charge of all that Roman crap, he bought himself a tent and actually moved to Sicily, where he lived rough for 15 months. He fell in love with a fisherman's daughter, Callera of Marzamemi, and they had two daughters and a son. They later bought a farm just outside of San Lorenzo, and lived there for the rest of their lives. The son was partially famous for inventing a type of crossbow that could hold three rounds of bolts that could be used without reloading. The eldest daughter married a local priest and they died at an old age without children. Not much is known about the younger daughter or her fate. Some say her name was Loriel, but this was never verified. The imposter who took over Tiberius' place as Emperor was never found out, so his identity was never discovered.
Let me guess you are a flat earther too?
We got a Pedophile here !😮
"E X P E R T S O F S E X"
What I would like to know is, how many years passed between the time that Jesus died and the time that Tiberius died.
Approximately 7
How about the first emperor ?
Nigga was Trippen!😲😲🤯
Reminds me of our leaders today
Drusus Julius Caesar
Birth ABT. 7 OCT 13 B.C.E. • Rome, Lazio, Italy
Death 14 SEP 23 • Rome, Lazio, Italy
65th great-grandfather
What a nonsense. Suetonius: What do you expect from the enemy against Boudicca and her lineage of the Holy Family of Iesu, if not slander and deliberately fomented discredit against them?
Tiberius sounds like a black name 😂😂
Does there always have to be a moral disapproval in the title?
I guess that is for click bait purposes .
Greatest Empire In The World!? 🤨🤣🤣🤣
you're redacted.
Tbh he looks like Mark Zuckerberg
Life is cyclical not linear.
What about that time where he organized award ceremony for loli hentais.
video not to be trusted !
Truth hurt
Truth ?? is there such thing as truth ?
Well i mean...everyone's gotta have a hobby.
Subtítulos en español .. please
Uh.. study English please 📖📚
🤝
Fax
Such a weird title
wow I'm so surprised 😮
“Roman “ Catholic …probably why it’s so rampant…stems way back
interesting like you can only have so many perversions in a life time. In this case no rules apply imagine that! Or does it?
Dam, you taught me something I had on idea of, I mean it's certainly not hard to believe but I mean Rome and Greece was something serious. I just watched another short history of Rome about how they burned or threw hermorphadites off the mountain tops.
They threw all types of people
CALIGULA was probably worse.
Tiberius reminds me of Matt Gaetz.
Joe biden is that you?
Mind-melt or spirit jumped into BITE-ME.
It's Brandon--Let's go!!
Christopher Lodes, more likely it is you,
No it’s Tiberius, it literally says so one the title.
Biden never partied it up with Epstein and Maxwell. Nor did he enjoy walking through underage beauty pageant dressing rooms or tell pre-teen girls he'd like to date them.
Kk
Sounds like Biden and his "roaches". 😐
you have a negative opinion of the President, so you spew hatred in comments to feel better about yourself & the situation? Okay, whatever, you have that right.
But just know that while you compare Tiberius & Pedos to Biden & his "roaches," you have been grossly misled & are erroneously informed. And roaches sounds racist af.
Oh really, that's what you thought of? I was thinking of tRump and the paid prostitutes who would swing on the trapeze above his bed urinating on him (as the Russian blackmailing story goes). Such a "good Christian man," huh right-wing cultists? "God's Holy instrument to bring forth His kingdom"?? You cultists are so deluded no amount of deprogramming will ever suffice. 😱😒👎
Gross!
He was the Jeffrey Epstein of his day
Still doing it today LGBTQP
yup
Now, don't y'all have a hissy fit when men look away when y'all walk by. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases
Sounds like a personal issue like you don't like him lol he's the best emperor because he got rid of that one guy who claims to be you know what 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼🤣🤣
The best emperor is a toddler f*cker?
I see u look up to ur heroes of ur history I’m glad I’m descendant from Egypt a.k.a capital of Africa
What evidence is there that he was involved in the death of Christ? Any supposed letters from Pilate indicate that he made the decision alone to squash any potential Jewish rebellion because he was denied military support and only had one centurion at the time which would have been wholly inadequate to deal with an uprising.
This guy remind me of Elon Musk. lol.