‘A stunning display of pathetic cowardice’: Theresa May’s rough day in Parliament
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Did Teresa May pull up a sign that said "roast me"
wolflord4 it's called parliament. I know. I love my country to.
Alex Daniel House of commons already more interesting than most political debates
Seems that way, wolflord.
Alex, you say 'parliament'... I say, 'bloodsport'. It's all getting very vicious. There's more than a hint of using the chaos, instigated by her predecessor, to jostle for power. The chalice is forever poisoned, now.
bat in the attic that's pretty cynical. Parliament has always been and forever will be a blood sport. That's part of the Parlé and in Parliament and is what makes British democracy great, in my opinion. Now I certainly agree under a Tory government that the position of prime minister is a difficult one to take, because they have more divisions and fissures than the house of Usher at this point, and have been since before David Cameron took office. Brexit had nothing to with Europe and was everything to do with Cameron trying to mend the rift in his party. Now it's time to sit back, grab a bag of popcorn and enjoy the purge because it's crisis which makes democracy.
lol
The British parliament comedy central roast of Theresa May
@Build or die fortnite the people voted to leave the EU but instead we have some wishy washy diluted version erring on the side of remaining if not, then a whole hearted remain style brexit shrouded in mystery to con the people and majority who voted to leave of its true definition.
A total shambles.
I was going to say ‘bring on the clowns’ but they’re all here already 😂
I nominate this comment to replace the title of this video. Simply put, it's better.
Come to Australia
This is a perfect day for a Siths to takeover. hehehe... >:)
‘No PM is better than a bad PM’
Savage
i was like.... DAAAAAMN!! 😂
😂🤣 riiight
But true
That was a great quote, she completely deserved it 😅
I listened to the vid without watching. Thought it was Gordon Ramsey for a moment.
Waiting for him to say: "Dodgy Theresa."
More like Treacherous Theresa
Theresa delay
@@JobHuntersOfficial lol
🤣🤣🤣
Dodgy May
Politics in the UK is brutal. Are they saying all this stuff to her face, wow!
Yep! American?
Prime minister question Time every Wednesday at midday.
And 10 feet away ... US politics would never survive this. There would be guns pulled by the 3rd time. Granted, UK politicians are extremely tolerable. This level of attack and outrage was uncommon. Usually both sides of the parliament would boo or shout down someone acting a fool (like a Matt Gaetz pedofile type does every single day his military Panhandle taxpayers put him there).
At least the parties are uniting over something.
Cameron180 lol
Still uniting though.
@Dan Williams NO COLLUSION!
Haha
@matty kelly in or out the bankers still control us. Moron. Brexit was given to the UK as a way to blame the voters of brexit for the up coming financial crash in 2020, just so you know. The plutocrats are laughing at everyone who fell for it.
Dennis Skinner of all people presses his argument by quoting Margaret Thatcher. Now we have heard everything.
That's exactly what I was thinking lol
Thatcher was pro EU and Skinner has always been anti EU
SplodgenessAbounds as if people always need to be on the same side of things to appreciate each other.
SplodgenessAbounds THATCHER PRO EU😂😂😂
Not to forget the time he called David Cameroon “dodgy Dave”
God I love the variety of accents
Strength in unity of different peoples is what makes Britain great. :P (Now lets get on with it!)
same same
Angelo Dela Cruzz if you think there's a variety of accents in parliament you should hear how real Brits talk 😂👍
With all the mass immigration the British might not even be in control of their own government in the future
Game of Thrones in the houses of parliament!
Ouch. But let's be honest: The real cowards are the Nigel Farage's and Boris Johnson's who created this situation and then resigned as soon as the going got tough. Pathetic.
Simon Abbott pretty sure Cameron created this situation?
@@bluerallyes2 Cameron called the vote, maybe, but I'd say it was the Johnson's and Farage's who caused the vote to turn out the way it did
Too right! Nigel is a coward.
Simon Abbott Cameron called the vote ‘maybe’? How about definitely? He knew the parties were split on the EU and took a gamble believing the voters would side with his views and now here we are. This is wholly a situation of their own making and I agree that there are a whole bunch of them including Cameron, Farage and Johnson who have truly let us down with their absence in the last 12 months. I just don’t believe you/we can lay this situation squarely at the feet of a couple of leave campaigners.
Simon Abbott couldn’t agree more
1:45
I’ve never known the pure delight of hearing “what the heck is going on?” in a thick Scottish accent until now. Thank you WaPo.
I LOVE British insults! They level you before you even realize you've been cut.
House of Parliment Christmas Roast
May all your Christmas wishes come true!
Loled
Lol
Maggie windrush may stupid woman
@@jasonosborne3602 why is may stupid?
Let's leave the EU they said, it's going to be fun they said.
Maximilian, well no, a select few said that and prevented thousands of British civilians living overseas from voting, even though they have a right to. We might not be in this whole situation lest we had let the extra few thousand vote. The result could’ve changed.
Dear @Dumbledore's Army, how much inbreeding was necessary for you to came out the way you are?
Zachary Wilson use ur brain when u talk it could go the other way aswell! So it makes no sense what u say lmao
I find it rather entertaining, but then again I'm not British.
Maximilian Immigration is a bigger problem though, I'm glad we left.
Sounds like the ministry of magic in this joint
1:05 😂😂😂 my man's tryna squeeze In one last roast before his heart gives out lmao
Dennis Skinner. His Quips Are Missed
He was notorious for attacking the tories and did it extremely well
Don’t disrespect the Beast of Bolsovor
Don’t diss mr Skinner
but damn thats a lot of fires shot
*shots fired
@@leonidas0242 fired shots*
Well said.
Actually, I'm ok with fires shot
You can talk. How many bullets did you hear this morning waking up?
No Prime Minister is better than a bad Prime Minister lol
It's a top rate zinger for sure 🤣🤣😂
That would be absolutely savage...except for the double meaning.
She United an entire kingdom together...in hating her
Not really. LUL
@@raway3975 it's lulz , get it right.
I swear to god that after being humiliated like that, I would not let the skin of my face feel the touch of the sun ever again.
She got skinned by Dennis Skinner
THE KING IN THE NORTH!
oh sorry thought i stumbled into a medieval bar
😆
cures cancer
Ned Stark...Our King always...
koekie 😂
However modern this world is
People have always been "medieval"
I've always liked Dennis Skinner. Sure he can get a bit over excited but he's got more spine than most of the commons put together and doesn't mince his words.
TotallyToonsTV plus it's so satisfying when he is escorted out for refusing to take it back when he calls them out on their lies. Sometimes the truth needs to be told.
We can't have that in a democracy
@@thorpestanford5359 Sadly it's the illusion of Democracy we have at the moment. Maybe one day we'll really get there
People work their whole lives to make a better life for their families and this is what we get?
It's a combination of a true working class background (he worked as a coal miner down in the pits before becoming a politician) and having a no-nonsense, compassionate attitude. He's a gem and one of the few politicians that are truly genuine and great.
Man, I am seriously jealous. Europe has much more balls to stand up to their leaders than we do here in the U.S. I applaud them.
Aaron Dillon
How fkn dumb can you be?
@@europaischerstolz3897 I suppose you are too dumb to ask but here goes. How dumb CAN you be?
Aaron Dillon that’s what you get in the oldest parliament, entertainment lol, but yes it appears more transparent than the senate.
I know, America's are weird. From here (UK) it looks like they worship the president like a dictator! And if a journalist ask difficult questions they get banned. Apparently Americans actually think they live in the freest country in the world!?! 🤔😂
DaChaGee I think the same thing! Lol.
Time to go, Theresa. You’ve failed. There’s no saving this one.
She is just a victim but the real reason for this deal that she is proposing is designed by someone else within UK
She didn't fail, she has seen it through like she said. Its the ones that want a new vote that are kicking off.
she fail ? omg.. british people fail.. its one big part.! you can`t blame one person for that..
@@haydeezz like trump then so Americans fail?
Theresa May: *Hold my beer...*
i think maybe they are slightly annoyed at her
Only a bit 😂
Who would’ve known?
like a house of cows mooing
The house of cow-moans
Still better then the rest of the world, sadly
AJsVIEW you fekn indians worship cows tho so you must like it
@@alexanderm2220
Still better than the rest of the world yet you've never seen any parliament outside Britain.
Arrogant and ignorant.
Its weird how civil the US House of Representatives are in comparison. Those guys are gentlemen
I know the UK is in a bad way at the moment, and I'd like to see May out of parliament as much as the next person, but I don't completely blame her. Cameron put us in this mess and she was left to deal with it.
How is it Cameron's fault, he was a Remainer and stepped down because he didn't want to lead the country into a cause he didn't believe in
@@Scrummy64 It was Cameron's fault because he allowed there to be a public referendum on Brexit.
@@West_87 Yeah because god forbid asking the people for their opinion for once ...
@@planebreach I don't think that the people should get to make a direct decision on an issue if one of the potential outcomes is so utterly and obviously disastrous. In my opinion, an issue so critical to the present and future economic health and well-being of a nation should be left to elected representatives rather than their constituents.
@@West_87 Is it ? According to who ? The Guardian ? A lot of very powerful people have a lot to lose and they are doing everything they can to reverse peoples vote.
And if you think that multiculti nonsense will be beneficial for your country long term, then you don't know much about history and the human civilization. There is a lot more than economic well being at stake for your country.
Skinner sounds like a drunk Grandpa at Christmas wheeled out that once a year for a hot dinner.
Pity you didn’t listen to the content.
"Does she not realise how chaotic and ridiculous that makes our country look?"
The 2016 referendum already accomplished that plenty well.
T33K3SS3LCH3N nah. What accomplished that were the 2017 terror attacks.
Eurofeds make me sick
Belgian Sebastian yeah the media doesn’t show us those murders but it sure did show us the terrorist attacks.
No matter who would stand in her place there's not much they can do against the EU at this point unless it's Lord Buckethead
Well you could do a hard Brexit. Instead of wasting your time dealing with the EU ignore them and focus on dealing with other countries like the US. Also stop giving them your money. The UK is the second biggest contributor to the EU after Germany you don't think that is leverage in a negotiation? The UK is probably better off completely divorcing from the EU at this point. There will be economic bumps, but with the EU taking an authoritarian bent in response to Nationalist opposition the EU is going to fall apart if things continue as they are.
ShamanMcLamie exactly, we are supposed to pay them a 35 billion pound settlement for leaving as well! I say we tell them to shove it where the sun doesnt shine
@@joealyjim3029 Let them try and fight us as well! They will soon remember who they're daddy were 😂😂😂
@@joealyjim3029 a hard Brexit will cost your nation far more than 35 billion economically...
Michael Neufeld of course, but that will be money we have chosen to pay rather than money we have been told to pay. Can you imagine if the french and germans asked us to pay that amount in the 1800s? How this country has fallen
As an American, I really wish our president had to stand in front Congress and face his opponents. It would be fantastic!
Well it would be more like speaker, as they are elected by the house not directly by the people. This works better because it allows for minority opinions to be heard in government.
Doesn't she look tired.
tired of their bullsh* of course!
:)
I'm not sure, but I think this is a Doctor Who reference?
omg
@@readen3265 Just 4 words.
That's why they call him the 'beast of Bolsover'
Dennis Skinner.
Love the man.
Yes indeed, but please explain to the none Brit: what is the word “frit” ?
@@reinerwilhelms-tricarico344 English and I had to look it up. It's a fairly local slang Thatcher used once, meaning frightened. It was such a strange word choice she had it thrown back at her throughout her career.
Sounds more like the vulture of Bolsover...0:52 ironic these backstabbing players who've handed power to the EU by leaving defenseless and not supporting your PM - not even from the start when she was against Brexit in the first place - and leaving a divided mess for the vultures to pick through now are criticizing her for being powerless.
They criticize but never offer any solutions to help. Probably because they know it was never even able to be a good deal to begin with, and now it's down to even more unfavorable odds so they're just trying to score political points while you all suffer the consequences.
Dennis Skinner is a hero!
yes ahaha will always remember his attack on 'Dodgy Dave'
Dennis Skinner is a stupid ignorant old twat
Skinner is an outdated twat.. making quips in the commons shouldn't be enough to keep you in
@@no9scrum That'll be why he has the attendance and voting record that he has... the guys who've voted for him for half a century seem to be happy.
@@no9scrum I think you'll find he's duly elected, someone's a silly tw@ here and it's not him.
Mr May, at the end of the day: “Hello dear, good day at the office?”
Oh Skinner, I miss you so!
Dennis Skinner is the Best. I love watching his videos😂😂😂
I wish he becomes the leader of labour :( before he retires.
He's never accepted any responsibility for anything and stood by when his chum Scargill wrecked the mining villages.
I'd prefer Frank Skinner, as at least he's funny!
Gar Sm You display your ignorance: it was Thatcher who together with her heavy handed police thugs, devastated mining villages. Even now the people there hate her and the police for what they did.
Frank King - Which one was he? The black guy?
No prime minister is better than bad prime minister 🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪😂😂😂😂😂😃
Now that I see it written, I see it has two meanings lol.
why are the brits so damn theatrical?? I love it
Man this got me tearing up seeing all the parties from all over from right to left joining forces. It about time the differences were set aside and we become one solid unit.
The fact that Skinner quoted his former arch-nemesis, Margaret Thatcher, shows how great is his contempt for the worst UK PM ever. Even Neville Chamberlain's actions were well-meant.
Theresa May is so hated 😂
Not even Jeremy Corbin would have been this bad, and I say that as someone who strongly opposed him in the last election.
The worst part is she's unelected by the people. She's only PM because David Cameron ran off like the cowardly slime he is.
@@hydrophobicspider Like Angela Merkel.
She lost the majority in that election. That's no mandate
@@Dizzyruptor David Cameron "ran off" because he didn't want the Brexit and that was much better than trying something you yourself don't support lol
"Dodgy Dave."This is what comes up my mind when I see Skinner!😂😂😂
Vote for a mess, get a mess.
We didn't even vote for her that's the irony.
Have a strong and stable Christmas everyone :)
More like Donkey and stable Christmas
Dang it I was ready to get the defibrillator for Dennis Skinner.
Time to dig up GUY FAWKES.
Yes, because that would mean chaos and destruction for UK - exact kind of favor that the world needs.
"does she not see how chaotic and ridiculous this makes us look?"
*2 minute video of back and forth shouting*
Ol' Dennis still at it, what a lad 👌
Love how they act as if they know better. Politics at its worst.
i bet half of them would be worse prime ministers.. they're the same people that wanted Brexit when it was trendy
May is so strong for trying to get the best deal where these idiots only criticize and don't bring new ideas to the table. The opposition will ruin the UK, all this energy in destroying may and they'll end up with no deal at all in the end.
If any of you think she's doing a good job at trying to get the best deal you're clueless
@@jazzoj5 so what's your idea? What has anyone else proposed that seemed faintly possible? She's literally the best you've got
@@Vexwisval28 what do you base that off?
If only US politicians could be like this to the president. Good on the UK!
I am a confused Indian enjoying their accents 🤣🤣🤣
FRIT
F-R-I-T sHe's fRiT
What does it meab
@@joannesmith1175 m e a b
@@peachy_exe. mean*
@@joannesmith1175 Frightened
This display of real democracy is highly admired world over
The House of Commons looks like a satirical British TV show.
No common sense in this house. The house of fools. God save the Queen and the common people.
We need this in America.
Honest to god i can not understand why she hasn't resigned. Unreal
Because that would be terrible for the conservatives right now. She is their Brexit catastrophe scapegoat for the time being, they're probably making her stay.
UK politics is all about the personalities and not about the policies. PM May isn't the best but she has her hands tied by everyone in every direction. She has to do something she personally doesn't want to. Also brexit is the biggest issue facing the UK since they joined. People are blaming her but really the bigger blame in on others.
All them people need a Proper job!
Damn, if was her, I would probably cry.
and here i thought the xbox servers were toxic
Imagine if the American people had an institution like this where the President could be addressed about his policies.
almost felt bad for this woman.
God I wish American Congress could engage in such open robust debate.
POV: sum nerd told the teacher she forgot the homework
Damn, I wish the members of the American Congress would talk like that. More would get done.
I know it's the middle of December but it feels like the end of May
It’s treason then
That is one hard job. :/ psychological damage at play.
As an American when that guy said Thatcher had a word for her I was expecting anything other than "Frit" but what do I know, I'm just an American XD
why can't american politicians be as passionate and speak the truth like british parliament???
did jeremy corbyn just say that theresa may is doing a bad job of leaving the eu? wow lol
The best course of action for her at this point:
Finish brexit
Resign with dignity
That last one made me crack up omg! 😂😂😂
poor theresa. i know i know, but still... they are so mean :)
It’s like I’m listening to the Jedi counsel.
Unity in politics at last. thanks Theresa :)
Favorite part is the Lady SNP declaring the PM is “an utter cluster burrow!” 1:48
Bro that's some fire roasts tbh
If only the U.S. government can roast the president to his face like this.
As an American *busts out a bucket of popcorn*
They've got some nerve claiming the EU is being arrogant. It's the Brexshiteers that have been arrogantly proclaiming that the EU needs us more than we need them.
EU has a 9 billion trade deficit with UK so technically they do need us more.
👏👏👏 The fucked themselves over
@@thedojodjsx9605 A 9 billion what? And who gave you that figure? Boris '£250 Million to NHS' Johnson?
@@shogun2215 *£350 million.
@rudegirl Kitchen
i knew dennis skinner 40 years ago, in those days he would have called her a c**t!!
You can't do that anymore, because of "political correctness" and the snowflake generation
So did the rest of us former miners.
yes, it was around about 1978 & he said it about jim callaghan.
May says another people's vote is undemocratic, and compares it to having another general election just because we don't like the result... The hypocrisy, as she called another general election (3 years early) only last year. All because she didn't like the last general election result, which she felt did not give conservatives enough seats in parliment. I feel May does not want another vote beacause she fears the outcome, and she is strongly against staying in the EU. I'm not really a EU fan, but this is a MASSIVE one off life changing issue. We were hugely lied to on both sides of the campaign during the run up to the referendum. Now we know the truth, understand the concequences, and can see the (only) deal that's been offered, is it not fair and democratic to have a people's vote. It's clear parliament can'take make a decision, and do not know what to do.
I here what you say, it's interesting. Both sides told a few lies it's true. However I have to say that remains lies have proven that a wide range of lies emanated from orchestrated civil servants, the same project fear is happening again from the same people. Somehow these same bureaucrats and civil servants got in charge of us withdraw information from the EU.
As a Brexiteer who's main reason for leaving was the concern of our ever dwindling democracy this deal of handing more power to the EU, not taking back our fish and asking each and every person in the country to fork out £1000 for the privilege is utterly disgraceful.
@@icarus877 I do agree. I don't like how much power the EU have over us, and this is not why we entered in 1973. They interfere in our democracy, and we pay in a fortune. Not to mention 60% of our fishing grounds they have access to. I must admit though, I don't like the deal we have been offered by the EU. We pay 39 billion, and still no guarantee of a trade deal after. Also it states in the deal that if we want a future trade deal, then we still have to give up much of our fishing waters, the same as in the EU. We could be locked essentially the EU indefinitely, especially because of the N Irish back stop issue. They have us over a barrel with this deal. The other option is no deal, but I really think that would cause profound issues with our economy, which is so geared up to competing and exporting to the EU markets. It's all a bit of a mess. That's why I say maybe the people should choose, as the politicians are all at log aheads. There only seems to be 3 options available, and the EU are firm on not negotiating the terms of the deal whatsoever. The options appear to be, 1.Take the deal as it is. 2. No deal at all 3. A referendum. To be honest I don't know what is the best option for us.
Would be interesting if anyone else has any ideas on options for us to take?
Most of the MPs who spearheaded this brexit campaign, the boris Johnsons,Camerons or farages have either backed off- gone into hiding or have not given a solution of what to do after.
If remain had have won, would we (people whom voted leave) be asking for a second vote? No, and you know we wouldn't. You are the children in this debate.
fairly confident she was in the Remain campaign no??
I'm not convinced she even wants to leave the EU, shes just been handed a bit of paper that says ''you're now PM, go and organize BREXIT''
she's having to fight for an outcome she didn't want to occur
Dennis’s Thatcher reference was savage
Yet none in the chamber spoke how badly off Britain will be with any form of Brexit. Why not?
Mrs May must be in Junkers pocket
Lol, what?
That's certainly not what Juncker wants either.
She is. She wants to follow Tony Blair, Peter Mandelson, Nick Clegg and Neil Kinnoch and get a big EU pension. The same with David Lammy and every other Pro Remain, Pro "People's Vote" and Pro "Stop Brexit" politician and activist.
@@CountDaedalus
damn, are you this deluded?
She won't get any money from the EU and no world leader or accomplished politician is led by such a pathetically low motive.
that's basically as dumb as saying 'every pro brexiteer is a racist ultranationalist child throwing tantrums cause he/she doesn't like the idea of a cooperative Europe'
just ridiculous.
She wasn't "left to deal with it", she volunteered!
@@Minecraftrok999 I suggest you take a look at what the EU Parliament and the European Commission consist of then. Mostly politicians who failed to get elected, along with ex Prime Ministers and Presidents.
Love me some Dennis
She honestly has no idea what she's doing
When you're a UK prime minister, people will be very very nasty to you.
As much as I dislike Dennis Skinner, I have to agree with him here, she does look weak and pathetic
Oh wait, the Brexit thing isn’t a joke? Oh...
I'm a simple man, I see Denis skinner, I click
Gosh, the most amicable comment I've ever seen.
Watching May's situation reminds me of the end days of Wenger
Is this the Star Wars debate about the Naboo invasion?
Too bad Congress in the states can’t stand up to their president like this.
To be far
This must be very hard job
To be far... their all lairs lol
1:45
Exactly my thoughts
You know - when I heard the news that the British were leaving for the first rime I thought to myself; that's gonna be ugly for us and even more for them. What I failed to understand is how entertaining a tragedy can be... Greetings from Germany - sad to see you go but boy do you understand it to make your own misery quite amusing. Merry Christmas to the English - I said it before and I will say it again. While I am trying my best to conceal it; we invented the word "Schadenfreude" for these exact situation.
I can not stretch enough how unfortunate I find this event but at the same time - who sows wind will reap storm. You get what you wanted. If you let yourself be influenced by populism, then you have indeed failed to read George Orwell and that alone is a big enough sin to make me forget all sympathy. We showed the world what happens when you put emotions over reason, when you use half truths, open lies, extreme nationalism and racism to fuel a goal. Sometimes it is necessary to listen.
Everytime someone claims that the EU is a dictatorship or that all immigrants are hurting the nation, no matter how often one is proven wrong with statistics, if you don't want to hear the warning we simply can not help you. But remember this. If everything should go down the gutter - we did not shut the door behind you. We did not force you to leave. We did not oppress you. We did not force our laws upon you, you created them together with us. And now you choose to abandon Europe. Yes abandon. No matter how often you may claim that you are not. Just like Russia, from now on your interests will lie in your own nation and if you want to defend this position, let me assure you, as a citizen of the second most wealthiest nation of this continent - I can assure you that my opinion is not formed out of thin air. China is knocking and we are wasting time with such a child's play... Read the comments under channels like Russia Today or the Rebel Media. If you are a sane person, you will see why never not in a million years could I understand why someone would fall for such pathetic lies that only consist of hate...
"Populists are highly skilled at weaponizing these forms of resentment: their rhetoric
simultaneously aims to turn the growing anger at affluent people against the ruling elite and to turn the growing focus on ascriptive identity against immigrants as well as ethnic and religious minorities."
Yascha Mounk
"The second decade of the 21st century has seen the rise of a counter-Enlightenment movement called populism, more accurately, authoritarian populism.24 Populism calls for the direct sovereignty of a country’s “people” (usually an ethnic group, sometimes a class), embodied in a strong leader who directly channels their authentic virtue and experience.
Authoritarian populism can be seen as a pushback of elements of human nature-tribalism, authoritarianism, demonization, zero-sum thinking-against the Enlightenment institutions that were designed to circumvent them. By focusing on the tribe rather than the individual, it has no place for the protection of minority rights or the promotion of human welfare worldwide. By failing to acknowledge that hard-won knowledge is the key to societal improvement, it denigrates “elites” and “experts” and downplays the marketplace of ideas, including freedom of speech, diversity of opinion, and the fact-checking of self-serving claims. By valorizing a strong leader, populism overlooks the limitations in human nature, and disdains the rule-governed institutions and constitutional checks that constrain the power of flawed human actors.
Populism comes in left-wing and right-wing varieties, which share a folk theory of economics as zero-sum competition: between economic classes in the case of the left, between nations or ethnic groups in the case of the right. Problems are seen not as challenges that are inevitable in an indifferent universe but as the malevolent designs of insidious elites, minorities, or foreigners. As for progress, forget about it: populism looks backward to an age in which the nation was ethnically homogeneous, orthodox cultural and religious values prevailed, and economies were powered by farming and manufacturing, which produced tangible goods for local consumption and for export."
Steven Pinker
You know what makes this quite surreal?
I watched a video, just a few hours ago. The title? Populism is coming back
And in the comments hundreds of people cheering.
"The receptivity of the masses is very limited, their intelligence is small, but their power of forgetting is enormous. In consequence of these facts, all effective propaganda must be limited to a very few points and must harp on these in slogans until the last member of the public understands what you want him to understand by your slogan."
Adolf Hitler
"Without a doubt he was a master of lies. When did I realize this? When I found thousands of people who talk like him, think like him and yet he is just an unknown corpse since 73 years ...
no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly and with unflagging attention. It must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over. Here, as so often in this world, persistence is the first and most important requirement for success."
Adolf Hitler
Tell me Englishman... Have you already forgotten what you told us?
"Alternative facts and fake news are just other names for propaganda"
Johnny Corn
You told us to listen to all sides, not just the one we want to hear. So tell me Englishman... What made you believe lies which I can here and now prove to be lies and nothing but lies? Was it the fear? Was it the hate? Did you think you would not be in control anymore? Something all nationalists forget. You can love your country and it's people. But a national state is just an institution. A construct, hold together by a simple believe.
"Patriotism is, fundamentally, a conviction that a particular country is the best in the world because you were born in it..."
George Bernard Shaw
True the UK and my own nation as well as any other country that joins the EU will lose independence and power. But we, the people. We will become stronger than before. For we shall not speak with 10 million, 40, 60 or 80 million voices but with 510 million and perhaps in a century even Russia would join this voice. It is the will of the people, not the will of the nation. This is why I despise nationalism. For
"Our true nationality is mankind."
H.G. Wells
So let me finish this with the words of a man who is greater even in death than most of us ever will be...
"Nationalism is an infantile thing. It is the measles of mankind."
Albert Einstein
Mark his words and mark them well.
@dennis wise an army provides union - I don't want to use it. And most of these were not truly European Rome how ever was. And by the gods, Rome was a blessing .
Also, America's history was less than peaceful, even in recent years. I'll come back to this one, but for now I will leave it here.
@dennis wise People always make the mistake of a direct comparison. In history, there are two kinds of comparisons. Are moral one with the ideologies and knowledge of today and one with the knowledge and morals at the time.
For most people who were no slaves, however, Rome provided peace and stability, it was relatively tolerant and while after a while a dictatorship, it started as a republic.
About the army - a European army is not a project because I intend to go to war with China, Russia or the middle east. It is necessary to provide a cultural link that in my mind already exists but many people are too hung up on old ideas while in reality, it would not matter to them if their governments are in London, Paris or Amsterdam.
This is something I can prove pretty in a very simple manner because most people don't care about their capital. Sure there government is located there and it is an important city but caring? No. Noone does that. Politicians in Warsaw or Madrid are not much different from my own. And you could still have local governments.
But back to the topic.
There is no nation that is without flaw. None. I truly doubt it. Even the peaceful Swiss lent its armies to all monarchs in Europe. Perhaps there are a few exceptions but they are certainly so small, that it would not matter. What matters is, how power is used. I am against dictators even though I prefer a good dictator to a good government because the dictator will not be voted out of office but at the same time for the same reason, I prefer democracy because a bad dictator, no matter if he is loved by his people will do the world enormous amounts of harm.
As Churchill put it; while "the best argument against democracy is a conversation with the average voter" but "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others." and therefore I will
“Never give in. Never give in. Never, never, never, never-in nothing, great or small, large or petty-never give in, except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force. Never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.”
― Winston Churchill
The new wave of populism is the greatest internal threat Europe faced since the second world war. And China the greatest economical and political one since the Soviet Union collapsed. An army is not only made to fight. It's a symbol.
Imagine German, French, Polish and American troops marching side by side down a valley while flags are waving above and a new french-germanic tank would role behind and the people cheer ( I am aware of the power of symbolism, there is a difference between lying which in my opinion is the definition of populism and using an image to transport an idea ) it would be a powerful event. It would change the way people would look at their neighbouring states. No longer as strangers but finally truly as allies. Too many people limit themselves to a few years but the west has to think bigger. Stop seeing Russia as an enemy but as a potential friend, even a member of the EU ( in say 50 to a 100 years, give or take a few decades and of cause a different course in foreign politics ) War is only an extension of politics but you must understand that I am a pacifist. Avoiding war is of the op most importance. War is a horrible, unpredictable and always hungry monster that feeds on the lives you throw before it.
But freedom is priceless, I will not let the lives who fought for peace in Europe go to waste by allowing nationalism to tear us apart. You see, I am very young. The young are always progressive, the old always conservative. And without a doubt - the old ways of thinking are dying. This will be the last battle in a long time. A battle not fought with weapons but with lies and truths, with words that are as impactful as a bombshell. I intend on making Europe great again, without firing a single shot or imprison a single foe.
I am not an extremist. But I love this continent and what it stands ( well should ) stand for. I know no people who are young who really want nationalism to return. None. Ironically, even the most nationalistic one believes in the potential of the EU. And I come from a more than conservative region trust me - when I say that the youth has the potential to change politics, I am not using empty phrasing. We are tired of centre politics who stagnate and the far right becoming ever more extreme while the far left ( luckily ) has gone almost extinct in European politics. If people like me can create a new, centre party that stands for Europe, we will succeed.
The far right is always so loud. Noisy. Like all extremists, they have no tact, no subtlety. They aren't even trying to hide their lies. That's makes them weaker than the old rights was before it came to power. I intend to use this. It's a powerful foe - no doubt about it. But it must perish for the future of the west.
'Now for one final point -
To stand against China, we need to be more united - and sadly parades are a universal language. I may be a pacifist but if Europe needs an army to overcome its differences - this is a sacrifice I am willing to make. Just like I am willing to sacrifice the national states for the sake of the people that live in them.
Self-interest is something we have had very little in the past. Almost too little. We watched while the forces of the US-backed with our blessing tore the middle east apart, in their struggle for oil and the "war on terror" (even less successful than the war on drugs and alcohol), how China took Tibet, how despite our efforts corruption and misery destroyed
Africa, how dictators and gangs threaten South America. I say no more. No longer can I watch how lobbyism feeds away from the income of the poor, how populists lie, cooperations only care about profit and our efforts to help feed the people that drive the refugees at the gates of our continent. No longer can I watch silently and hope that things are gonna change. I am not alone with this belief. Wish us luck - we may be the best chance the world will get. Chinas influence is growing and India has yet to awaken. We need to become powerful to keep the peace and to bring democracy. The US may have had this claim but we all no why we chuckle when we hear a redneck shout "MURICA" and mention the word freedom in the same sentence. I would have wished I could live a different life. Silent, with a nice girl, a family perhaps in a small city. But all I hold dear is at stake. I hate using big words - I really do. But its simply the truth. I am always truthful. I don't do this primarily for the Europeans even though I love this continent far more than my own nation. I do it because I want my kids to grow up free and hopefully even better than myself and I know if for one more day I would just sit and watch, I could not look them in the eyes when they grow up and ask me, why their neighbours are being sent to the camps and why China news sound always so positive and why I didn't do something. I am sick of it. I am sick of people moaning about politics but all they do is pick up a sign to get heard. We have enough bureaucrats. We need visionaries. I say this without any praise, I say this as the most truthful statement a realist like me who is neither left or right could make. We need people like me. And lots of them.
Think about what I wrote and what I meant when I said this.
I am only 18 and already so much is wrong with the world. I will not watch. I will act.
Thank you for the lengthy post, it is interesting, very articulate.
The EU is not without some near-fatal problems. First it is a conflicting and competing sovereignty with the nation states. The EU and the ECJ imposed unifying laws and systems that uprooted well-established national ones. This so-called attempt at harmonisation is disrespectful of the fundamental differences between countries’ systems.
Nor does the EU have sufficient democratic accountability to the people. If people don’t feel directly involved of course they are gonna be angry.
You seem to think that Brexit was doomed from the start. TBH the Brits are in a mess not because of Brexit, but because they have been awful at negotiating. The hard/soft border issue in Ireland really bogged down May. It is not like the Brits have no negotiating power against the EU as a whole. May just wanted to play it safe, which ended disastrously. If the populists in the UK are biased so are you.
All this bullshit came from a german , haha how ironic .
I thought the American Congress was ruthless. But I can’t stop watching. 😏
It's like a British political Jerry Springer show