It depends if it’s an up tier or a down tier, just like other 9.3 aircraft, for example the ariete although that thing is extreme because it’s dodges 9L/60M very easily
The ariete and sagg are unique planes imo for WT, they’re jet aircraft that are surprisingly fast and extremely agile with AMAZING guns, but that’s the issue. They’re EXTREMELY powerful at a br where other airframes perform similarly due to the range and accuracy of the guns, but perform dreadfully at higher BR’s because it has no flares, and while dodging them is possible tryin to fight SuperSonics with missiles in a plane that’s nowhere near as fast is hard. I play the sagg a TONNE and at this point it’s a vulture aircraft more than a true fighter. This is something that so many aircraft deal with and honestly wouldn’t be an issue if gaijin sorted out the god damn BR’s and finally decrompressed them
@@emergency_broadcast_system well no not really 9.3-9.0 is the magical br were if you face up tiers there is a very high chance of you getting slamed with an aim-9L 4 km away because you don’t have flares, atleast with superprops you can fight even if it’s in a disadvantage
@@legendbee9579 In prop tiers, especially for energy fighters, your ability to do anything depends on your climb rate and speed management. This is entirely negated when you get fully up tiered and are up against a pay to win premium as their plane is literally better in every single way than yours. So you're stuck defensively flying hoping they do something stupid so you can get your guns lined up while also praying that no one else decides to jump in
Outside of gameplay for raw power and performance Lightning pilot Ian Black tells you the lightning was only matched for performance by the f-15 towards the end of its career/time. The lightning had NO equal for brute force in its time. Also ask the Aggressor pilots who visited UK in their F-5 and lost all 1v2 v the lightning.
Saudi Royal air force enjoyed them for many years after the RAF!.. one outclimbed the U2 and one actually caught the Concorde.. also the lightening was capable of breaking the sound barrier vertical..
The main drawbacks of the English Electric Lightning in real life were its short range and limited fuel load; both of which are irrelevant in War Thunder.
And yet, if you look around, it had more range than mig21, mig19, starfighter, and frankly its flight performance was stellar. If we want to pick on things - no radar warning, heavy to maintain - there are areas that indeed are drawbacks.
Sure, but it's main draw backs IRL were in respect to it's role as an interceptor. A role which hardly exists in Warthunder and consists mostly of bullying bomber players, assuming you get a BR where they exist which the Lightning often won't.
How can someone make red tops so legit when they are quite literally one of the most frustrating missiles in the game. If you can get reaaaal close to someone they are magical.. But that ain’t easy
@@stephenallen4635 Yes and how often does it fight full teams of 6.7's? Like, really? You do realize that more than half of it's games are full uptiers against dart-slingers?
@@blazeiscrazy8737 yeah I realise, otherwise my 3+ KD in it would be double that. And thanks for proving you have the reading comprehension of a goldfish
@@natacus1234 it does now and then for Golden Eagles, it's quite a unique play style and not always super fun lol. Very fun in sim mode if you learn it tho
@@mwrightinnit how much did it cost you? Yup I have heard! Are the rockets very useful? Especially in the br bracket it's in (f104) it sounds quite hard to play rb but in sim I will have a go.
@@natacus1234 I got it while it was a pack so around £45-50 but I think it would be around 8000-9000 GE. The rockets aren't super useful as they have a lot of dispersion but if you fire 16 at once it can be a funny way of taking out bombers, but generally just bring the Red Tops and that's it. It's actually a decent counter to the F-104 with it being capable of occasionally chasing them down if they turn but the Starfighter is still way faster at most altitudes
Its where the Lightning belongs. Not much in its initial age/timeframe was upto facing it. That being said, it probably needs to sit in an area of pre alpha 4th gen planes. So IMHO facing off against mig 21s (for example) is ballpark. I have no idea how the A10s and SU25s got to the place the are. The game turned them into monsters - which against fast jets they should not be.
@@jaek__ depending on context - and on various other things - like low, med, high - and also - weather you have interest in real world. The plane should be a peer in its bracketing - because thats what it was.
@@AdmV0rl0n the Lightning isn't beating the mig 19 or ariete the most powerful of the 9.3's(and common), like at all, if it had to fight the SMT or something on a consistent basis it would get it's shit rocked, the plane is just bad by virtue that it's particularly good at anything beside going fast even then it's not really good at that
Nah it still sucks. It might just be me getting bad BR games but i have had limited success with this. And the missiles are bad too, i have had more kills using the guns then i have with the missiles which just shouldn’t be the case. I try use it every now and then because it’s British, i like the EE Lightning and it has history with my Grandads SQN, he was a armourer in 74sqn RAF, they flew the Lightning but i just get slapped 90% of the time by jets with better missiles and counter measures. Playing British jets takes A LOT of patience because we get fuckall with our jets. Only including TECH TREE aircraft, the UK has 28 jets, 14 don’t have missiles, 19 of the jets don’t get counter measures. And most if the 14 jets that don’t get missiles sit in a BR where missiles are present for every one else. Its horrid
@@jaek__ i would but im pretty far off from getting any Russian jets. In fact the only Russian jet i have is that MiG-21pfm from the event a wile back. Be a good wile till i get any Russian jets
shame that it isnt similar to its performance irl, since it was better than the f104 in every way except for low level flight, as well as the lack of its ability to go mach in a vertical climb
I never unlocked the tech tree British Lightning. Does the one modeled in War Thunder have what I considered a neat feature of the plane in real life: air-to-air missiles being mounted above the wing?
Only the premium one had that, it could mount rockets above the wing but the tech tree one only carries 2x missiles mounted to the fuselage with the choice of 2 fire streaks and later 2 red tops
I think you have mistaken the Lightning for the Jaguar. Later variants of SEPECAT Jaguar in British service had sidewinders mounted above the wings. The Lightning did have over-wing fuel tanks and the Saudis experimented with over-wing rocketpods which is in the game but only on the premium F.53 which isnt for sale
@@mwrightinnit It is entirely possible that I am confusing the two. It is also possible that what I remember is from experimentation in the early days of the Lightning.
Veeeeeee thanks bro , I totally forgat about this bucket 😂 That speak volume how good it was. Well since I have talisman on it and I like to clubb and party time to finish spading it 👍🤟 Again thanks for video ❤ Want belt did You use for guns?
I love the lightning and I always will but the flight model is comically bad, out preformed by f104a's in every aspect when irl it shouldnt, same with the new missile buffs/ nerf or Atleast when it comes to that the missiles are closer but without the 15g pull
9.0/9.3 to 10.0/10.3 USA is a mess all around. Balance just favours Mig 21 (Russian) teams all the time. You can play 10 battles in a row and lose them all and face at least 4 mig21's in each game and on the odd occasion you get teamed up with Russia it'll be a downtier and you'll have su-7's and no mig21's but the opposition will have German mig21's instead. There has to be a case for mixing up Russian and USA teams in every battle since they seem to be the majority choice even with the USA seemingly having the weaker lineups and weaker missiles, especially when it comes to the headons with all aspect missiles you face and are mostly unavoidable. The A10's are so late to the battle they're not gonna help out and should you miraculously survive to actually reach the battlefield then you'll just get locked up endlessly by su-25's. It's really not very fun at all. Add to that I started playing the Swedish line with the SK60B and it's airspawn, which I thought might be fun, so you get to go 1 v 4 or 5 vs F-84's which climb higher and faster and obviously with those numbers you're screwed. So spawn on the runway and you're slower than your friendly jets blah blah, same outcome most often. Switch to USA/British bombers, no F-84's to cover you, just SK60's with missiles at the same altitude as your bomber... more fun, not. They need to consider BR's that change as you modify your aircraft so you're not using AIM-9B' s against 10.3 aircraft for one thing and maybe stop downtiering 11.3's to 10.0 because there aren't enough at 11.0 and higher for them to face. Jets are a joke for matchmaking overall, the balance is awful and the gameplay mindless.
ive never been killed by a lightning. i love when they think they can come kill me in my sabers ect. youll never get those guns on me, and the missiles have no chance. but...im also better than 90% of the playerbase. but i personally h8 the lightning an love the 104a/c.
Okay what is your k:d in your av8a then ? Cos i played a lot of nations upto or past 9.7 and I have never feared the early british or american Harriers.
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Lightning F.6 doesnt get a research penalty for the Tornado F.3 because it is the previous vehicle
I just finished my 10 free repairs on this aircraft. 10.0-10.3 every match. You must know the secret handshake.
I was going to say this! I don't think I have ever been in a match that wasn't 40% F5Cs and A-10s/Su-25s.
He's just showing the games he did well in, if we did the same we'd probly show mostly downtiers also.
@@commandoepsilon4664 Is this tier of jets doing the same or did they change? edit: typo
It depends if it’s an up tier or a down tier, just like other 9.3 aircraft, for example the ariete although that thing is extreme because it’s dodges 9L/60M very easily
The ariete and sagg are unique planes imo for WT, they’re jet aircraft that are surprisingly fast and extremely agile with AMAZING guns, but that’s the issue.
They’re EXTREMELY powerful at a br where other airframes perform similarly due to the range and accuracy of the guns, but perform dreadfully at higher BR’s because it has no flares, and while dodging them is possible tryin to fight SuperSonics with missiles in a plane that’s nowhere near as fast is hard.
I play the sagg a TONNE and at this point it’s a vulture aircraft more than a true fighter.
This is something that so many aircraft deal with and honestly wouldn’t be an issue if gaijin sorted out the god damn BR’s and finally decrompressed them
Same with every other plane. In prop brs if you get up tiered other planes outclimb turn gun and speed you
@@emergency_broadcast_system well no not really 9.3-9.0 is the magical br were if you face up tiers there is a very high chance of you getting slamed with an aim-9L 4 km away because you don’t have flares, atleast with superprops you can fight even if it’s in a disadvantage
@@legendbee9579
In prop tiers, especially for energy fighters, your ability to do anything depends on your climb rate and speed management. This is entirely negated when you get fully up tiered and are up against a pay to win premium as their plane is literally better in every single way than yours. So you're stuck defensively flying hoping they do something stupid so you can get your guns lined up while also praying that no one else decides to jump in
Outside of gameplay for raw power and performance Lightning pilot Ian Black tells you the lightning was only matched for performance by the f-15 towards the end of its career/time. The lightning had NO equal for brute force in its time. Also ask the Aggressor pilots who visited UK in their F-5 and lost all 1v2 v the lightning.
Saudi Royal air force enjoyed them for many years after the RAF!.. one outclimbed the U2 and one actually caught the Concorde.. also the lightening was capable of breaking the sound barrier vertical..
Vertical? 90° level vertical or a steep climb?
90 degrees. First to supercruise I believe
@@natacus1234You are absolutely correct! I think it’s Mach 1.2-3 capable when super-cruising!
@@Truck_Company_84 no wait if it could catch up with concorde it must have been mach 2
Mach 2.3 with the afterburner i believe @@natacus1234
The main drawbacks of the English Electric Lightning in real life were its short range and limited fuel load; both of which are irrelevant in War Thunder.
And yet, if you look around, it had more range than mig21, mig19, starfighter, and frankly its flight performance was stellar. If we want to pick on things - no radar warning, heavy to maintain - there are areas that indeed are drawbacks.
Sure, but it's main draw backs IRL were in respect to it's role as an interceptor. A role which hardly exists in Warthunder and consists mostly of bullying bomber players, assuming you get a BR where they exist which the Lightning often won't.
got to say i really enjoyed spading the lightning! i did it in the patch before the Tornado ADF cane in! is a bit passive,
but is quite nice to fly
I am researching the javelin now, should should i also go to crew the lighting?
How can someone make red tops so legit when they are quite literally one of the most frustrating missiles in the game. If you can get reaaaal close to someone they are magical.. But that ain’t easy
Meets 10.0 completely shits itself
Meets 9.0 Dictates the battlefield
its a Maus of its BR
Maus does NOT dictate the battlefield lol...
@@blazeiscrazy8737 It does at 6.7... if you have two braincells
@@stephenallen4635 Yes and how often does it fight full teams of 6.7's? Like, really? You do realize that more than half of it's games are full uptiers against dart-slingers?
@@blazeiscrazy8737 yeah I realise, otherwise my 3+ KD in it would be double that. And thanks for proving you have the reading comprehension of a goldfish
@@blazeiscrazy8737 ah yes fighting a maus without Cold War ammo or a oversized APHE is brain hurting
This is making me hope that buying the F.53 was a good investment. I might have to give it a go soon as ive been focusing on ground.
Will tye f53 come back on sale? I was thinking of getting one
@@natacus1234 it does now and then for Golden Eagles, it's quite a unique play style and not always super fun lol. Very fun in sim mode if you learn it tho
@@mwrightinnit how much did it cost you? Yup I have heard! Are the rockets very useful? Especially in the br bracket it's in (f104) it sounds quite hard to play rb but in sim I will have a go.
@@natacus1234 I got it while it was a pack so around £45-50 but I think it would be around 8000-9000 GE. The rockets aren't super useful as they have a lot of dispersion but if you fire 16 at once it can be a funny way of taking out bombers, but generally just bring the Red Tops and that's it. It's actually a decent counter to the F-104 with it being capable of occasionally chasing them down if they turn but the Starfighter is still way faster at most altitudes
@@mwrightinnit ok thank you! I will have to see if it is on sale in august
Its where the Lightning belongs. Not much in its initial age/timeframe was upto facing it. That being said, it probably needs to sit in an area of pre alpha 4th gen planes. So IMHO facing off against mig 21s (for example) is ballpark.
I have no idea how the A10s and SU25s got to the place the are. The game turned them into monsters - which against fast jets they should not be.
the Lightning still gets rinsed by other 9.3, 9.7, and 10.0's irregardless of the a10s and frogfoots
@@jaek__ depending on context - and on various other things - like low, med, high - and also - weather you have interest in real world. The plane should be a peer in its bracketing - because thats what it was.
@@AdmV0rl0n the Lightning isn't beating the mig 19 or ariete the most powerful of the 9.3's(and common), like at all, if it had to fight the SMT or something on a consistent basis it would get it's shit rocked, the plane is just bad by virtue that it's particularly good at anything beside going fast even then it's not really good at that
@@jaek__Americans
@@urmum3773 huh
Hello EuropeanCanadian do you have an idea of when the update drops
I thought it was going to be yesterday si I have no idea, I'll update you when it's announced
Nah it still sucks. It might just be me getting bad BR games but i have had limited success with this. And the missiles are bad too, i have had more kills using the guns then i have with the missiles which just shouldn’t be the case. I try use it every now and then because it’s British, i like the EE Lightning and it has history with my Grandads SQN, he was a armourer in 74sqn RAF, they flew the Lightning but i just get slapped 90% of the time by jets with better missiles and counter measures.
Playing British jets takes A LOT of patience because we get fuckall with our jets.
Only including TECH TREE aircraft, the UK has 28 jets, 14 don’t have missiles, 19 of the jets don’t get counter measures. And most if the 14 jets that don’t get missiles sit in a BR where missiles are present for every one else. Its horrid
you would be correct, the Lightning is a mid mobile, just play the mig 19 or ariete lmao
@@jaek__ i would but im pretty far off from getting any Russian jets. In fact the only Russian jet i have is that MiG-21pfm from the event a wile back. Be a good wile till i get any Russian jets
shame that it isnt similar to its performance irl, since it was better than the f104 in every way except for low level flight, as well as the lack of its ability to go mach in a vertical climb
Cant believe there isnt a single mention of the most over tiered plane in the game lol Good ol' G91ys with its 420,000rp spade and tier 4 9bs
It has always been like this it goes to 9.7 it's utterly crap it's at 9.3 it's good this is what happens when br decompression goes abit to wild
I was under the impression you where slaying with it but then i noticed they were all bots on the dev server lol
Nah all these are real player kills I just have names turned off
damn got this within 10 seconds of release
lightning is mid, definition of br compression, if you actually want a servicable 9.3 use the mig 19 or ariete
I never unlocked the tech tree British Lightning.
Does the one modeled in War Thunder have what I considered a neat feature of the plane in real life: air-to-air missiles being mounted above the wing?
Only the premium one had that, it could mount rockets above the wing but the tech tree one only carries 2x missiles mounted to the fuselage with the choice of 2 fire streaks and later 2 red tops
@@Gannet-S.4 Thank you for that information.
I think you have mistaken the Lightning for the Jaguar. Later variants of SEPECAT Jaguar in British service had sidewinders mounted above the wings. The Lightning did have over-wing fuel tanks and the Saudis experimented with over-wing rocketpods which is in the game but only on the premium F.53 which isnt for sale
@@mwrightinnit It is entirely possible that I am confusing the two.
It is also possible that what I remember is from experimentation in the early days of the Lightning.
@@mwrightinnit The ligtning also had options for top mounted weapons, the Saudi premium one has it
Veeeeeee thanks bro , I totally forgat about this bucket 😂
That speak volume how good it was.
Well since I have talisman on it and I like to clubb and party time to finish spading it 👍🤟
Again thanks for video ❤
Want belt did You use for guns?
Airtargets worked the best for me
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wait no way its playable again ????? i gotta try this
Can you review the stupid RealShatter mechanic ruining most small cannons
I love the lightning and I always will but the flight model is comically bad, out preformed by f104a's in every aspect when irl it shouldnt, same with the new missile buffs/ nerf or Atleast when it comes to that the missiles are closer but without the 15g pull
9.0/9.3 to 10.0/10.3 USA is a mess all around. Balance just favours Mig 21 (Russian) teams all the time. You can play 10 battles in a row and lose them all and face at least 4 mig21's in each game and on the odd occasion you get teamed up with Russia it'll be a downtier and you'll have su-7's and no mig21's but the opposition will have German mig21's instead. There has to be a case for mixing up Russian and USA teams in every battle since they seem to be the majority choice even with the USA seemingly having the weaker lineups and weaker missiles, especially when it comes to the headons with all aspect missiles you face and are mostly unavoidable.
The A10's are so late to the battle they're not gonna help out and should you miraculously survive to actually reach the battlefield then you'll just get locked up endlessly by su-25's. It's really not very fun at all.
Add to that I started playing the Swedish line with the SK60B and it's airspawn, which I thought might be fun, so you get to go 1 v 4 or 5 vs F-84's which climb higher and faster and obviously with those numbers you're screwed. So spawn on the runway and you're slower than your friendly jets blah blah, same outcome most often. Switch to USA/British bombers, no F-84's to cover you, just SK60's with missiles at the same altitude as your bomber... more fun, not.
They need to consider BR's that change as you modify your aircraft so you're not using AIM-9B' s against 10.3 aircraft for one thing and maybe stop downtiering 11.3's to 10.0 because there aren't enough at 11.0 and higher for them to face. Jets are a joke for matchmaking overall, the balance is awful and the gameplay mindless.
9.7-10.7 range in ARB is just fine for America
Maybe Im just bad but I feel like the J32B is terrible at its BR, Wanna talk about it?
The Lansen is like a fat hunter and i find it humorous.
Im completing rank 4 sweden and hopefully i can get to tier V this week.
ive never been killed by a lightning. i love when they think they can come kill me in my sabers ect. youll never get those guns on me, and the missiles have no chance. but...im also better than 90% of the playerbase. but i personally h8 the lightning an love the 104a/c.
Redditor energy
Names SU-25, A-5c, but doesn’t mention one of the most op aircraft in game: Av-8a
Okay what is your k:d in your av8a then ? Cos i played a lot of nations upto or past 9.7 and I have never feared the early british or american Harriers.
ngl, the look of the craft is probably the main reason why I wouldn't fly it
That's a weird way to say "I like to freeze dog poop for a nice summer snack."
keep up with the good work