Man, this is the best breakdown of these materials ever. You are the man! Never used them unless I was trying to push the artisan to 100, didn't think about the fact that they really cover the cost of a second roll. This is one of the most useful videos I think I've come across, will definitely use this as I'm pushing a few alts to 1370. Thank you!!!
Also an important note, for the examples I used - 30% twice does quite equal 60%, its actually a bit more complicated then that but I wanted to try to keep things a simple as I could and the way I illustrated the examples is close enough to get the point & the numbers are not that different from the actual math. People more into math/statistics/basic probability know that is not quite exactly how it works though.. :-)
Well doing 30% attempts 2 times is about 50% chance of success. So it's less chance overall, and you use either 1 or 2 sets of honing mats. This is huge difference. The question is - does having juice for 60% offset this. With the current market - it definitely does
like i said, its more complicated because the 30% 2x also accounts for succeeding the 1st attempt and saving the honing materials not having to do the 2nd attempt, where as 60% once /w juice takes all the materials & juice in 1 go. we could get into the actual math and calculations behind this, people who know me better know I am a math nerd and love this stuff, but its just too much for a youtube video, and the examples in the video are close enough to demonstrate the point.
@@GoodIdeaGaming With 60% chance attempt you still use same amount of materials (excluding juice) that you do with one 30% attempt, or am I missing something?
I honestly just try and save my sanity and juice when I can. Otherwise I just try for a 1-2 tap a day. I hit the honing button and instantly hit the gear transfer button and skip the anxiety screen. I hate the gambling 🎰 part of LOst Ark.
I like how Zeals put it, just look at honing as getting closer to that 100%. So even if you fail, you actually still progressed since you're getting Artisan's energy.
30%+30% is more like 51% than 60% too. Juicing has that added benefit. 2 60% juices will hone 84% of the time. 4 30% chances will hone 75.99% of the time. The 9s are terminating.
NA West economy is about 600 gold for 95 blue crystals, Mari is marginally cheaper for Grace and Blessing but more expensive for Protections. With the influx of basic materials from events and power pass but relatively low numbers of additional materials I struggled with what to do with my main, he was at 1350 and wanted to get to 1370. I had a lot of the books from the guardian event and I wanted to use them before they expired. Given how cheap/plentiful the basic materials are I figured it would roughly cost me 2,500 gold per attempt had I sourced the additional materials from Mari and about 3,000g from the AH and that would just double the base success chance... which wasn't great. I only had about 25k gold and over 10m silver so I figured I wouldn't get very far trying to max out the juice, even if it took me 10 attempts per upgrade it would still be a lot cheaper in terms of gold if i just went with base rate. I dropped down to just under 19k gold going from 1350 to 1370 and I am back up to 23k selling off all those additional mats that weren't bound. I had burnt through all the event books at around 1360 so even at 10% base hone chance it didn't feel too bad. I pitied 3 upgrades and came close to a few others, but i got a few early successes as well. I think once you take it as an exercise of probability and efficiency and take the emotional rollercoaster out of the success/failures it wasn't a painful experience. I was just watching Netflix on the other monitor and pushing buttons until i ran out of items to upgrade.
Another thing people forget is that SILVER. Using juice will save you SILVER since it requires less attempts to successfully hone. However, there will be a break-even point where the total gold needed for juice will be equal and will greater than just trying to re-hone again. This is where your judgement will come in, should you use a bit more gold for juice but will save silver? Or should you try to save more gold instead?
Juice is for the weapon or for the last piece of armor. If you are below 50% and cannot reach 50% with juice then you definitely should save it for the weapon. It sure doesn't feel great sometimes, but rates only get lower and you really don't get a ton of solar protections so it's a good idea to stock up for the key moments.
dude, keep this stuff coming. i get so bogged down in the details of stuff, it kinda drowns me out. i was stuck in that slog, the final push to 1100, and it was painfully slow. checked your list of vids, you had EXACTLY what i needed, 4 hours later, 1100 on on my way to punika. now i'm done with punika and i'm watching for all your tier 3 tips etc. no other tuber has been able to explain things the way you have, clearly and effectively. thanks bruva 🙂
@@TheGandai 1340 isn’t bad at all, it’s really the 1340 to 1370 that sucks, honestly it’s the only time I was ever straight up mad after playing the game, failing so many times with such high costs was testing my patience with this game pretty hard haha
@@antonvoltchok7794 I was just watching salts video of him going 1340 - 1370. It looks painful. I only have 4k gold ATM, so be a while before I'm ready to think about 1370.
It's also important to note that this is only for previously unattempted gear. Once you fail gear 10 times it has double base rate already and juicing mats only provides half benefit. (this is quite common once past +17). So instead of comparing the cost of the Juice (1100 in video) to the cost of the synth (4000 weapon) you're really comparing the 1100 to 4000/2, or 2000. Juicing becomes quite expensive past +15 also but it's pretty much always worth it for the weapon and not really so much for the armor. For instance the +21 to +22 weapon takes 1500 shards, 36 leaps, 800g, and 20-30 oreha and costs in total about 7-8k per attempt. The juicing mats are 36 / 18 / 5, which on current AH prices are almost 7k as well but as someone pointed out 2% on one attempt is better than 1% on 2 attempts though if you've failed 10 times already and have a base rate of 2% its better to not use them.
@@eddystylez haha, although the game does have its fair share of gambling aspects it’s not as bad since oddly enough they decided to remove yor’s jar… which was a gacha system implemented in kr exclusively for skins. I still enjoy playing the game and working on collectibles in the meantime while waiting for more raids and seasonal events to come out.
it's insane that we have all these content creators that came from KR, RU and they barely ever have useful content like this. At best, a glimpse into future content but never actually how to do something optimally. It's generally just, "you'll get there eventually." Okay, but how do i get there *optimally?* In any case, well done!
Ok, so one thing you have to take in consideration is that`s only valid for non bound leapstones, if you are not really buying materials, you don`t really need to spend money on juicing materials. You can do one or two tries per day without spending any money. So that`s mostly how fast you want to upgrade, want to do 2 tries in 1 days for free, or spend 1k gold in juicing mats and do 4 tries in a day.
@@Ugoofy1 You should never use juice on ur armor after +12. And if you wanna safe more gold than just dont upgrade ur weapon past +8/9. Also it is not that hard to get a few alts to 1370 to make more gold/mats and than slowly upgrade more alts or ur main :)
I only just hit tier 3. Whats the TLDR? Bit confused on what the low mid and high tier of the equips and weapons are? Are u saying, get your mid tier weapon to higher level using the juicing mats then transfer?
Basically there are two things: 1. Double the chance from 30% to 60% is basically not only one attempt mathematically because rolling two times 3/10 is still far away from the chance of one 6/10 roll. Just in probability calculation. On 13/14 you could also consider using books from the market because they went down in price so hard and a 1/5 to 1/10 chance is almost worth 4-5 tries. Not only one. Rolling 4x with 10% chance is almost as same chance as rolling once with 20%. 2. still it is important to reach 1370 to Start farming bound gr. leapstones (but should not have been a problem because of Grand Prix etc.). But after: Slow down. Get to 1385 and push your alts first for more gold income (or using rest bonus for guardians because small leapstones are a good additional income at the moment). 3. I would not count the leapstones as you should always try only to use leapstones (and sell unbound). Or at least exchange them for leapstones from Marie shop. Same for juice material: Do yourself a favor and only use unbound stuff. There is no reason to hurry for now. 4. Slow down and push your alts first. also wait for all the events coming. At least if you are 1400. I have a 1420 main, a 1370 alt and 4 other on 1340 (+ one boosted to 1325 now). Never spend a cent, sitting on 150k gold and chill my tries only with bound materials. Also not grinding anything. We got so many materials again. And I know a lot of people struggling with gold so hard. So chill with upgrading if you can only afford it. We have enough time for valtan. And even argos is not worth pushing hard from the market.
@@SevenSieteSeven Yeah I have spend a lot of time ingame till last week. When my last alt reached 1340 most of the "harder" work was done. Then came the battlepass and I pushed one of them to 1370. I do at least my daily chaos and guardians with my main and 1370 alt. Also do leapstone una tasks on them (for the alt the fast ones like island of hope). On the other alts I mostly do chaos dungeons only it let guardians run into rest bonus mostly. If I have the time I do them, but you can save 66% of the time for 33% less reward. After all these recent bonus stuff, boosts etc. I'm slowing down a bit because it feels like that "a lot of work" is not really rewarded at the moment. And I have a passive gold and material income already. Even with the weekly abyssals / guardian raids or buy outs from ships / guild vendor I'm fine with it. But yeah sometimes the game feels like more "work" than fun. I mostly enjoy the weekly abyssals or raids with my guild - so that is the main reason why my alts exists because we are doing them together and most of them have 3-4 1340 alts.
Great video, as always. Quick question, is it better to convert the Ark pass honor leap stones to greater ones for our main, or just save them for alts? Thanks 😊
In the market cost of greater honor leapstone is cheaper than 5x honor leapstone. So it is not worth to convert honor to greater honor . If you are 1370 so can't use honor leapstones only greater honor leapstones , then convert only your bound ones, and sell your tradable honor leapstones.
Great video as always! My intuition was to use it on weapons but I wasn't quite sure how the math worked out. I probably wouldn't have guessed to use them on the armors though. Maybe that's just because I don't value great honor leapstones that much since I have so many bound ones...
Great video thanks alot. I was wondering how i was supposed to hone at 1385 now with almost 500 great honor leaps horded. Now i understand how to do the math myself, sweet.
Salt, I really need help of deciding to either push my main or push alts up in T3. Currently my main is 1385 and I have three alts at 1325. I don’t know if it is worth it to push them or boost my main when there isn’t even content further than argos 3 right now which doesn’t matter imo. I have mats saved up from the last couple weeks like you have and just wanted your thoughts before I go about this. Thanks for all your vids.
you can go 1400 main then push alts, this will allow you to clear all content with your main and overall farm more materials in the long run with your alts that you have pushed, then when the time valtan comes, maybe try to purchase materials after selling them as I strongly believe prices will go down once more in this month of waiting for valtan. You should also have a shit ton of greater honor leapstones from just dailies.
what do you enjoy more? if you enjoy efficiency & alts, alts are the way to go. if you just dont want to go down the rabbit hole of min/maxing on alts, its fine to keep working on your main. at the end of the day, do what brings you the most fun :)
Thank you both, I think 1400 sounds good so I can clear everything and get that extra gold from argos p3 which I didn’t think about. Then I will work on alts because I do enjoy having them.
im sure your math is right but whenever i see streamsers hone their weapon - for example stoopz did +20 lance master going only raw without any solars it it any different over +15 and higher or is he just failing intentionaly for content?
the amount of the juicing materials needed goes up, but also the amount of materials to hone goes up too. at each bracket (jumping from 24 blessing to 48 blessing max, etc) you have to redo the math, but the weapons save you so much (like 300%) there is no way it is ever not worth using juice mats on mid t3 weps (great honor leapstones)
@@GoodIdeaGaming literally no, if you are gettling leaspstones from maris shop its only worth on the weapon from +7-11 and not using protections they are too expensive. from +12-15 its not worth even on the weapon. only starts becoming worth again after +16/17 on weapon. havent done math on armor from +15-20 yet.
Your math is on point, although not sure it makes much sense if you never buy mats from mari's or the market. Many players are too poor to even use the market or mari's because honing, even with bound mats, consumes all of their gold. They really need to create a way for the average F2P player (note: not a market guru, playing day trading games or someone who had 12 alts early and sold mats on the market) to make more gold. Until then most F2P players (the majority of the player base) will simply lag behind and won't be able to keep up with the whales and / or people who were early to the market with selling mats (when the server was brand new). They need to make it easier to play this game without spending more than a subscription cost per month. The balance is out of whack (for NA / EU markets). You know I just noticed... raiding in this game doesn't drop upgrades... it drops the chance for an upgrade, which you use more resources to actually do your upgrade. Upgrading actually makes you more poor than not upgrading.... Weird. Honestly I sell every tradable item I get my hands on, and I am pretty broke most of the time. When I stop honing my gold balance skyrockets. Also it takes too damn many hours per day to even attempt to keep up with current content. Getting really burned out on this game, and it just came out. Personally I feel like the pace of content release is way too damn fast, and I've been playing like 4 or 5 hours per day. Course I haven't done any whaling, so maybe that's why my experience is so different from the rest. Also I took a more relaxed pace in the beginning, did a lot of horizontal stuff. IDK, man. This game could be a lot more fun. It's not that hard to see how IMO.
If youre getting burned out, take a step back. Theres a rest bonus for a reason. Doing 1 Chaos dungeon 1 Guardian raid a day, cuts half your time but you only go down to 75% loot compared to doing both a day. Its weird to see because i have 5 chars, 1x 1415, 2x 1385, 2x 1340, and i feel perfectly fine. The dailies take me roughly, 30 mins per character. And i play very lazily, and procrastinate alot, so i couldve had 2 if not 3 more characters at 1340. I feel like a majority of the playerbase plays slow and inefficient, and then wants their needs catered too. I mean they literally had to nerf 340/460 abyss dungeons first 2 weeks because people bitched about it being too hard. And this isnt directed at you, since i dont know how you play. But still, kinda weird.
You get an extra 1.5% attempt after each fail. Let's say you hone 3 times before you succeed. The first one will give you 1.5% in the second and third attempts, and the second one will give a 1.5% bonus on the third (for a total of 4.5% "total" bonus). Of course, estimating the "value" of those fail attempt bonus is difficult, because it depends on the chance of success itself, which keeps changing after each attempt. It's a recursive function, in a sense. Another thing to take note is that Solar Blessing is a lot more expensive per % chance than Solar Protection and Grace. So a middle-of-the-road option is using only Solar Protection and Solar Grace.
i wanna be ready for 1415 normal but the chances and amounts of mats you can put for the % increase is different for the 12+-15+ bracket :( would appreciate a video even if you don't push there with just data from maxroll or anywhere
Your maths are wrong, using honning juicers is not like saving an attempt. The probability of failure of your 60% chance of honning : 40%, meaning success rate is indeed 60% (ez maths lol) The probability of failure of your 30% chance of honning, assuming you got a second one if the the first dis not succeed : 70%x70%=49%, success rate is 51% It is absolutely wrong to say that using material is basically like having another attempt. Mathematically speaking, the lesser the honning chance, the more what you said becomes mathematically true. For exemple at 1% chance of honning, having potentially double attempt means 98.01% chance of failure (99%x99%), and doubling the chances of success using juicers gives 98% chance of failure......there the result is really close. Edit : I didnt take into account the better chance you have on a second attempt. If think it goes from 30% honning chance to 33% meaning the chance of failure of the double attempt (starting at 30% honning chance) is 70%x67%= 46.9%, not 51%
i honestly think those sun thingys have a hidden buff or something other than screen showing every time i use em chances are i just +1 something a lot easier even if i use just few
dont see how you say youre saving gold on armor by using 1150g twice which is 2300 to save 1800g (assuming average luck where it takes 3 attempts for 30% and 2 for 60%)
It will actually cost you more gold to buy juice with the current prices. If you’re saving gold, only use bound juice and books (prioritise weapon for juicing) then sell tradable juices to buy blue stones with gold and everything else from NPC exchanges, crafting fusion and Mari (great honor leapstones and solars). This video is like a shotgun, throws a shit ton of information without accuracy or math.
From event chest should I take the 30 solar grace or 5 solar protection? Its kinda the same when it comes to artisan energy cause at this point I dont expect to get lucky anyway
If you have 3 chests or more i think is better to take one of each type. Because you are limited to use only a few of them when honning. For example if you choose 30 solar grace, you can only use 12 at once.
I'm using another calculator online, that does NOT want me to juice after the 1370 gears gets to 15% base chance. But it DOES want me to juice the 30% base chance before. *Shrug*
its because the extra % success chance given by the materials goes down at certain intervals. So from like +5% success chance it goes to like +1.25% chance, meaning they give only 25% of the bonus compared to before. So the actual value of them in that sense goes down significantly.
Once you get to 1370(+15), you can no longer hone the gear you currently have. To continue, you need to do 1370 hard mode oreha oculus/preveza or argos to get currencies which you'll exchange for 1340 orange gear from the abyss crafter. You'll gear transfer to these new pieces which will put them at 1370(now +6). To hone these mid t3 pieces, you need great honor leapstones which are equivalent to 5 honor leapstones in the mat exchanger. Of course, its not that bad, your una dailies, chaos dungeon and guardian raids will now reward great honors instead of regular honor leap stones.
TLDR? Appreciate the effort if your videos and have enjoyed your past ones but this is a lot of talking to a screen. Would be helpful if you included notes (like a google doc) or visuals particularly in these types of videos.
i used to watch this guy on stream on his GIG channel, he loves to talk lol. i dont play this game so i have no idea whats hes talking about, just came here to troll
very simple version ALWAYS juice - weps that use great honor leapstones GOOD to juice - armors that use great honor leapstones MEH to juice - weps that use regular honor leapstones BAD to juice - armors that use regular honor leapstones
yep youre saving gold by using or not using juice. LMAO. its still a slot machine so you can pimp on what you want, its a gamble if you lose gold or make the click to win.
Hey there's a massive arbitrage opportunity in EU where you buy green tradables that are listed at 1g, and then convert them to blue version of that and resell, As long as the green tradables buy for 1g, and the blues sell for 7g or higher you make guaranteed profit, On 7g each 100g turns to 106g, on 8g each 100g is 116g.. +16% is huge if you do it daily and start with a couple thousand you'll be rich in a month, Downside is, most often fish are 1g to buy and 8g to sell but there is already 100.000+ for sale, so it can take some time before they start selling.. so list it 3 days to be safe. Also the boring part is that all green fish on eu sell out near instant, so you have to spamm refresh the market untill cheap fish shows up and then quickly buy.. it's not the most fun to do but it's huuuuge easy money.
Basically, 50 green fish are 80 trade powder.. 100 trade powder is 10 blue fish, Let's say you spend 100g to buy 100 stacks of 10 green redfish or pearls, Then you get 1000 fish.. you can sell 20*50 fish for 1600 trade powder total. You buy 16 stacks of blue fish and sell for 7g, 112g. Tax should be 5 or 6g.. meaning you have 106/107g On selling 8g it's 122g with 6 or 7g tax (not sure how it rounds up/down) meaning 115 or 116g For green hunting, they don't often sell for 1g (since no bots) but the blue tradables on hunting are currently 12g.. so whenever you find green hunting drops for 1g you snipe them The only non profitable are the foraging ones I think. Double check= is the any of the blue tradables selling for 7g or higher? Yes, then see if you can snipe the market on 1g fish. Last warning: sometimez when there is 160 fish listed.. and someone snipes 99 just before u buy, when you fill in to buy 99 units it can change the buying price to 2g.. always double check the buying price is 1g before click buy or you will lose out on some profit
hitting pity feels even worse when you juice all the hones and still fail though. at the end of the day its just rng. i juice, i dont juice, they fail. the only successful hone or tripod transfer ive had in the last week has been from pity (twice). its important to include cases like this in your analysis, which is why i bring it up. if you juice every hone from +9 to +10 and dont succeed before pity, hitting pity is basically twice as expensive as it would have been with no investment in juice along the way. so if you calculate each roll that fails at ~1200 gold, hitting pity cost you 12,000 gold give or take, if you didnt juice. if you DID juice and still hit pity, that cost you 24,000 gold, for the exact same result. and dont say its not possible, because it has happened to me twice in the last week. haha. i really hate the honing system in lost ark. its frustrating and predatory.
Your trrna do maths on rng!! You could raw tap and fail till pity but you could tap it once with full juice and hit it saving you loads..maths on rng is pointless
Man, this is the best breakdown of these materials ever. You are the man! Never used them unless I was trying to push the artisan to 100, didn't think about the fact that they really cover the cost of a second roll. This is one of the most useful videos I think I've come across, will definitely use this as I'm pushing a few alts to 1370. Thank you!!!
Great to hear!
@@GoodIdeaGaming why no more videos brother
Dude your stream raids made my teen years full of laughter thank you fr #Jamal
Another your too rich to help videos :(
Also an important note, for the examples I used - 30% twice does quite equal 60%, its actually a bit more complicated then that but I wanted to try to keep things a simple as I could and the way I illustrated the examples is close enough to get the point & the numbers are not that different from the actual math. People more into math/statistics/basic probability know that is not quite exactly how it works though.. :-)
Well doing 30% attempts 2 times is about 50% chance of success. So it's less chance overall, and you use either 1 or 2 sets of honing mats. This is huge difference. The question is - does having juice for 60% offset this. With the current market - it definitely does
like i said, its more complicated because the 30% 2x also accounts for succeeding the 1st attempt and saving the honing materials not having to do the 2nd attempt, where as 60% once /w juice takes all the materials & juice in 1 go. we could get into the actual math and calculations behind this, people who know me better know I am a math nerd and love this stuff, but its just too much for a youtube video, and the examples in the video are close enough to demonstrate the point.
@@GoodIdeaGaming With 60% chance attempt you still use same amount of materials (excluding juice) that you do with one 30% attempt, or am I missing something?
@@balanarm I think he means if you do two attempts without juicing mats it's using two sets of honing mats.
How much is blue crystal exchange on your server?
I honestly just try and save my sanity and juice when I can. Otherwise I just try for a 1-2 tap a day. I hit the honing button and instantly hit the gear transfer button and skip the anxiety screen. I hate the gambling 🎰 part of LOst Ark.
I like how Zeals put it, just look at honing as getting closer to that 100%. So even if you fail, you actually still progressed since you're getting Artisan's energy.
30%+30% is more like 51% than 60% too. Juicing has that added benefit.
2 60% juices will hone 84% of the time. 4 30% chances will hone 75.99% of the time. The 9s are terminating.
While that is true, without juicing you have a 30% Chance to only spend half the resources of a juiced attempt.
NA West economy is about 600 gold for 95 blue crystals, Mari is marginally cheaper for Grace and Blessing but more expensive for Protections. With the influx of basic materials from events and power pass but relatively low numbers of additional materials I struggled with what to do with my main, he was at 1350 and wanted to get to 1370. I had a lot of the books from the guardian event and I wanted to use them before they expired.
Given how cheap/plentiful the basic materials are I figured it would roughly cost me 2,500 gold per attempt had I sourced the additional materials from Mari and about 3,000g from the AH and that would just double the base success chance... which wasn't great. I only had about 25k gold and over 10m silver so I figured I wouldn't get very far trying to max out the juice, even if it took me 10 attempts per upgrade it would still be a lot cheaper in terms of gold if i just went with base rate. I dropped down to just under 19k gold going from 1350 to 1370 and I am back up to 23k selling off all those additional mats that weren't bound. I had burnt through all the event books at around 1360 so even at 10% base hone chance it didn't feel too bad. I pitied 3 upgrades and came close to a few others, but i got a few early successes as well. I think once you take it as an exercise of probability and efficiency and take the emotional rollercoaster out of the success/failures it wasn't a painful experience. I was just watching Netflix on the other monitor and pushing buttons until i ran out of items to upgrade.
750g now for 95g…. fucking bots I haven’t buy anything from Mari’s shop in two weeks
Another thing people forget is that SILVER. Using juice will save you SILVER since it requires less attempts to successfully hone. However, there will be a break-even point where the total gold needed for juice will be equal and will greater than just trying to re-hone again. This is where your judgement will come in, should you use a bit more gold for juice but will save silver? Or should you try to save more gold instead?
Juice is for the weapon or for the last piece of armor. If you are below 50% and cannot reach 50% with juice then you definitely should save it for the weapon. It sure doesn't feel great sometimes, but rates only get lower and you really don't get a ton of solar protections so it's a good idea to stock up for the key moments.
dude, keep this stuff coming. i get so bogged down in the details of stuff, it kinda drowns me out. i was stuck in that slog, the final push to 1100, and it was painfully slow. checked your list of vids, you had EXACTLY what i needed, 4 hours later, 1100 on on my way to punika. now i'm done with punika and i'm watching for all your tier 3 tips etc. no other tuber has been able to explain things the way you have, clearly and effectively. thanks bruva 🙂
If you thought that was bad the climb to 1370 is brutal haha
@@antonvoltchok7794 I'm slowly discovering that currently. Getting to 1340 is painful
@@TheGandai 1340 isn’t bad at all, it’s really the 1340 to 1370 that sucks, honestly it’s the only time I was ever straight up mad after playing the game, failing so many times with such high costs was testing my patience with this game pretty hard haha
@@antonvoltchok7794 I was just watching salts video of him going 1340 - 1370. It looks painful. I only have 4k gold ATM, so be a while before I'm ready to think about 1370.
It's also important to note that this is only for previously unattempted gear. Once you fail gear 10 times it has double base rate already and juicing mats only provides half benefit. (this is quite common once past +17). So instead of comparing the cost of the Juice (1100 in video) to the cost of the synth (4000 weapon) you're really comparing the 1100 to 4000/2, or 2000. Juicing becomes quite expensive past +15 also but it's pretty much always worth it for the weapon and not really so much for the armor. For instance the +21 to +22 weapon takes 1500 shards, 36 leaps, 800g, and 20-30 oreha and costs in total about 7-8k per attempt. The juicing mats are 36 / 18 / 5, which on current AH prices are almost 7k as well but as someone pointed out 2% on one attempt is better than 1% on 2 attempts though if you've failed 10 times already and have a base rate of 2% its better to not use them.
ty for this, never thought of it as a new player
Definitely not worth to use with Honor Leapstones. Use the Juicing materials whenever you use Greater Leapstones.
Rip this channel, gonna miss watching these vids
@@eddystylez haha, although the game does have its fair share of gambling aspects it’s not as bad since oddly enough they decided to remove yor’s jar… which was a gacha system implemented in kr exclusively for skins. I still enjoy playing the game and working on collectibles in the meantime while waiting for more raids and seasonal events to come out.
Great video! Been trying to find that out for weeks now. Thanks :)
it's insane that we have all these content creators that came from KR, RU and they barely ever have useful content like this. At best, a glimpse into future content but never actually how to do something optimally. It's generally just, "you'll get there eventually." Okay, but how do i get there *optimally?* In any case, well done!
Ok, so one thing you have to take in consideration is that`s only valid for non bound leapstones, if you are not really buying materials, you don`t really need to spend money on juicing materials.
You can do one or two tries per day without spending any money.
So that`s mostly how fast you want to upgrade, want to do 2 tries in 1 days for free, or spend 1k gold in juicing mats and do 4 tries in a day.
@@Ugoofy1 If you have multiple characters in t3, you get plenty of mats, which is a good amount of people.
@@Ugoofy1 You should never use juice on ur armor after +12. And if you wanna safe more gold than just dont upgrade ur weapon past +8/9. Also it is not that hard to get a few alts to 1370 to make more gold/mats and than slowly upgrade more alts or ur main :)
I only just hit tier 3. Whats the TLDR? Bit confused on what the low mid and high tier of the equips and weapons are? Are u saying, get your mid tier weapon to higher level using the juicing mats then transfer?
if you do the cooking by the book then you’ll have a cake!
yoooo this is so sick to see you still pushing out content i havent seen you since the BDTV era glad to see you are doing okay!
Basically there are two things:
1. Double the chance from 30% to 60% is basically not only one attempt mathematically because rolling two times 3/10 is still far away from the chance of one 6/10 roll. Just in probability calculation. On 13/14 you could also consider using books from the market because they went down in price so hard and a 1/5 to 1/10 chance is almost worth 4-5 tries. Not only one. Rolling 4x with 10% chance is almost as same chance as rolling once with 20%.
2. still it is important to reach 1370 to Start farming bound gr. leapstones (but should not have been a problem because of Grand Prix etc.). But after: Slow down. Get to 1385 and push your alts first for more gold income (or using rest bonus for guardians because small leapstones are a good additional income at the moment).
3. I would not count the leapstones as you should always try only to use leapstones (and sell unbound). Or at least exchange them for leapstones from Marie shop. Same for juice material: Do yourself a favor and only use unbound stuff. There is no reason to hurry for now.
4. Slow down and push your alts first. also wait for all the events coming. At least if you are 1400. I have a 1420 main, a 1370 alt and 4 other on 1340 (+ one boosted to 1325 now). Never spend a cent, sitting on 150k gold and chill my tries only with bound materials. Also not grinding anything. We got so many materials again. And I know a lot of people struggling with gold so hard. So chill with upgrading if you can only afford it. We have enough time for valtan. And even argos is not worth pushing hard from the market.
What is your average time on lost ark per day? Also, are you enjoying the game with having to repeat quite a lot of dailies becauss of your alts?
@@SevenSieteSeven Yeah I have spend a lot of time ingame till last week. When my last alt reached 1340 most of the "harder" work was done. Then came the battlepass and I pushed one of them to 1370. I do at least my daily chaos and guardians with my main and 1370 alt. Also do leapstone una tasks on them (for the alt the fast ones like island of hope). On the other alts I mostly do chaos dungeons only it let guardians run into rest bonus mostly. If I have the time I do them, but you can save 66% of the time for 33% less reward. After all these recent bonus stuff, boosts etc. I'm slowing down a bit because it feels like that "a lot of work" is not really rewarded at the moment. And I have a passive gold and material income already. Even with the weekly abyssals / guardian raids or buy outs from ships / guild vendor I'm fine with it. But yeah sometimes the game feels like more "work" than fun. I mostly enjoy the weekly abyssals or raids with my guild - so that is the main reason why my alts exists because we are doing them together and most of them have 3-4 1340 alts.
"Rolling 4x with 10% chance is almost as same chance as rolling once with 20%." ??? Is this a Rick Roll ?
Great video, as always. Quick question, is it better to convert the Ark pass honor leap stones to greater ones for our main, or just save them for alts? Thanks 😊
if u want to have many 1370 alts no but If u wanna hit 1445 asap you gonna need every stone u get
In the market cost of greater honor leapstone is cheaper than 5x honor leapstone. So it is not worth to convert honor to greater honor . If you are 1370 so can't use honor leapstones only greater honor leapstones , then convert only your bound ones, and sell your tradable honor leapstones.
Great video as always! My intuition was to use it on weapons but I wasn't quite sure how the math worked out. I probably wouldn't have guessed to use them on the armors though.
Maybe that's just because I don't value great honor leapstones that much since I have so many bound ones...
R.I.P. Juice
Hello, been watching since 2016, do you still stream?
Is Godr Eye weapon worth doing over Blackstar?
Great video thanks alot. I was wondering how i was supposed to hone at 1385 now with almost 500 great honor leaps horded. Now i understand how to do the math myself, sweet.
Your also banking on the double chance (from 30% - 60%) succeeds. If it doesnt, your still gonna go broke fast.
Fuck I really wanted to see you spin the machine at least once 😂😂 good video as always tho!
im just trying to figure how tf did you get all of those juicing mats?
Most likely a lot of swiping
Very informative video. Thank you!
Next YouNow raid when?
Need 😂
I feel like I was searching for this exact video 3 days ago while I was working towards 1370
Very nice, thanks!
Salt, I really need help of deciding to either push my main or push alts up in T3. Currently my main is 1385 and I have three alts at 1325. I don’t know if it is worth it to push them or boost my main when there isn’t even content further than argos 3 right now which doesn’t matter imo. I have mats saved up from the last couple weeks like you have and just wanted your thoughts before I go about this. Thanks for all your vids.
you can go 1400 main then push alts, this will allow you to clear all content with your main and overall farm more materials in the long run with your alts that you have pushed, then when the time valtan comes, maybe try to purchase materials after selling them as I strongly believe prices will go down once more in this month of waiting for valtan. You should also have a shit ton of greater honor leapstones from just dailies.
what do you enjoy more? if you enjoy efficiency & alts, alts are the way to go. if you just dont want to go down the rabbit hole of min/maxing on alts, its fine to keep working on your main. at the end of the day, do what brings you the most fun :)
Thank you both, I think 1400 sounds good so I can clear everything and get that extra gold from argos p3 which I didn’t think about. Then I will work on alts because I do enjoy having them.
@@BrainGrey Push your main to 1400, then push alts one at a time to 1370. Honestly gold made before 1370 is pretty underwhelming in T3.
@@lockekappa500 Don't you make 600g from Aria's and 900g from Oreha normal?
im sure your math is right but whenever i see streamsers hone their weapon - for example stoopz did +20 lance master going only raw without any solars it it any different over +15 and higher or is he just failing intentionaly for content?
the amount of the juicing materials needed goes up, but also the amount of materials to hone goes up too. at each bracket (jumping from 24 blessing to 48 blessing max, etc) you have to redo the math, but the weapons save you so much (like 300%) there is no way it is ever not worth using juice mats on mid t3 weps (great honor leapstones)
thanks alot
@@GoodIdeaGaming literally no, if you are gettling leaspstones from maris shop its only worth on the weapon from +7-11 and not using protections they are too expensive. from +12-15 its not worth even on the weapon. only starts becoming worth again after +16/17 on weapon. havent done math on armor from +15-20 yet.
you also only save like 500g per level fully juicing
@@emich34 using no juicing mats could mean many failures tho so wouldn't that cost you more in the long run?
Your math is on point, although not sure it makes much sense if you never buy mats from mari's or the market. Many players are too poor to even use the market or mari's because honing, even with bound mats, consumes all of their gold. They really need to create a way for the average F2P player (note: not a market guru, playing day trading games or someone who had 12 alts early and sold mats on the market) to make more gold. Until then most F2P players (the majority of the player base) will simply lag behind and won't be able to keep up with the whales and / or people who were early to the market with selling mats (when the server was brand new).
They need to make it easier to play this game without spending more than a subscription cost per month. The balance is out of whack (for NA / EU markets).
You know I just noticed... raiding in this game doesn't drop upgrades... it drops the chance for an upgrade, which you use more resources to actually do your upgrade. Upgrading actually makes you more poor than not upgrading.... Weird. Honestly I sell every tradable item I get my hands on, and I am pretty broke most of the time. When I stop honing my gold balance skyrockets.
Also it takes too damn many hours per day to even attempt to keep up with current content. Getting really burned out on this game, and it just came out. Personally I feel like the pace of content release is way too damn fast, and I've been playing like 4 or 5 hours per day. Course I haven't done any whaling, so maybe that's why my experience is so different from the rest. Also I took a more relaxed pace in the beginning, did a lot of horizontal stuff. IDK, man. This game could be a lot more fun. It's not that hard to see how IMO.
If youre getting burned out, take a step back. Theres a rest bonus for a reason. Doing 1 Chaos dungeon 1 Guardian raid a day, cuts half your time but you only go down to 75% loot compared to doing both a day.
Its weird to see because i have 5 chars, 1x 1415, 2x 1385, 2x 1340, and i feel perfectly fine. The dailies take me roughly, 30 mins per character. And i play very lazily, and procrastinate alot, so i couldve had 2 if not 3 more characters at 1340.
I feel like a majority of the playerbase plays slow and inefficient, and then wants their needs catered too.
I mean they literally had to nerf 340/460 abyss dungeons first 2 weeks because people bitched about it being too hard.
And this isnt directed at you, since i dont know how you play. But still, kinda weird.
The math is completely wrong, 2x at 30% does not equal to 1x at 60% lol the basic premise is wrong
@@chuckhou5746 Hmm... 2 x 30% is a lower chance than 1 x 60% correct? Is that what you're thinking?
Market prices are crazy in the US
How did u get this many solar materials to begin with?
Chaos gate and field boss gives so few of those.
He swipes 💳 I start sweating just hearing his voice
Qube tickets. Always save one for the weekly but run all of extra drops!!
Okay but if you’re lucky on a cube you get about 6-3-1 of the mats. And i will NOT be doing 100s of cube runs.
@@NInjaken1337 diamond chest at cube only gives 7 graces and 3 blessings. The drops are trash without lucky rooms
I always use it on weapons only, thats what i read that i had to do before the game even lauched.
Are you done with Raid Shadow Legends and have decided to move on?
You get an extra 1.5% attempt after each fail. Let's say you hone 3 times before you succeed. The first one will give you 1.5% in the second and third attempts, and the second one will give a 1.5% bonus on the third (for a total of 4.5% "total" bonus).
Of course, estimating the "value" of those fail attempt bonus is difficult, because it depends on the chance of success itself, which keeps changing after each attempt. It's a recursive function, in a sense.
Another thing to take note is that Solar Blessing is a lot more expensive per % chance than Solar Protection and Grace.
So a middle-of-the-road option is using only Solar Protection and Solar Grace.
great video!
Maybe planning come back or from now just Black Desert ?
You want to make use of the +10% books we saw with the events until you hit 1370 after 1370 i dont use the "juice mats" until +10
I would advise to just use maxroll calculator
@@eddystylez Yeah because the 1390 gear is from abrelshud raid which isn't in the game yet and you need to 1490 the 1340 gear to get there anyway.
i wanna be ready for 1415 normal but the chances and amounts of mats you can put for the % increase is different for the 12+-15+ bracket :( would appreciate a video even if you don't push there with just data from maxroll or anywhere
Your maths are wrong, using honning juicers is not like saving an attempt.
The probability of failure of your 60% chance of honning : 40%, meaning success rate is indeed 60% (ez maths lol)
The probability of failure of your 30% chance of honning, assuming you got a second one if the the first dis not succeed : 70%x70%=49%, success rate is 51%
It is absolutely wrong to say that using material is basically like having another attempt.
Mathematically speaking, the lesser the honning chance, the more what you said becomes mathematically true. For exemple at 1% chance of honning, having potentially double attempt means 98.01% chance of failure (99%x99%), and doubling the chances of success using juicers gives 98% chance of failure......there the result is really close.
Edit : I didnt take into account the better chance you have on a second attempt. If think it goes from 30% honning chance to 33% meaning the chance of failure of the double attempt (starting at 30% honning chance) is 70%x67%= 46.9%, not 51%
i honestly think those sun thingys have a hidden buff or something other than screen showing every time i use em chances are i just +1 something a lot easier even if i use just few
Huh, so this is where BDTV ended up...
BLACK DADDY NEVER DIES
I was thinking the same thing, miss those epic streams
BDTV do you remember me?
Jamal?
what he playing now? no more new vids :(
dont see how you say youre saving gold on armor by using 1150g twice which is 2300 to save 1800g (assuming average luck where it takes 3 attempts for 30% and 2 for 60%)
I really hate buying honing mats, but I can see that buying juice can save some as I get closer to 1400.
It will actually cost you more gold to buy juice with the current prices. If you’re saving gold, only use bound juice and books (prioritise weapon for juicing) then sell tradable juices to buy blue stones with gold and everything else from NPC exchanges, crafting fusion and Mari (great honor leapstones and solars). This video is like a shotgun, throws a shit ton of information without accuracy or math.
From event chest should I take the 30 solar grace or 5 solar protection? Its kinda the same when it comes to artisan energy cause at this point I dont expect to get lucky anyway
5 protections since they are worth 1k and the 30 solars are around 600g.
If you have 3 chests or more i think is better to take one of each type. Because you are limited to use only a few of them when honning. For example if you choose 30 solar grace, you can only use 12 at once.
Or take the more expensive one and buy the others, as Orang said.
I use juice mats for weapon only
@Extra Salt where did you go ?
He’s in hospital
@@Xyz-cr2sg ;( hope he will be ok
Did he die?
thanks bro
Your calculation is wrong on the basic lvl... Honing two times with 30% is not the same as honing once with 60%...
Why not just use the max roll honing calculator to determine when to use juice? I dont understand why you’re doing this by hand.
Why you stop playing Grand cross?
How the actual F do you have so many of the juicers??
AlexBDTV? I hope this is you!
it is
I'm using another calculator online, that does NOT want me to juice after the 1370 gears gets to 15% base chance. But it DOES want me to juice the 30% base chance before. *Shrug*
its because the extra % success chance given by the materials goes down at certain intervals. So from like +5% success chance it goes to like +1.25% chance, meaning they give only 25% of the bonus compared to before. So the actual value of them in that sense goes down significantly.
One 60% honing try is better than 2 30% tries. 2 30% tries only gives you a 51% success chance.
Dude i quit for a couple weeks, theres 90% chance to upgrade to +21 it was using all material ive got. But the results is FAILED. I AM SPEECHLESS ASF
my question is how did he get a stockpile like that lol. thats tens and tens of thousands worth of jucie materials
he's streaming BDO on twitch.
I juiced yesterday and failed 12 times of 14
today I 3 tap with the little mats I had, only 30% chance and succeed 2 of the 3. Fk me right?
did you quit? your content helped out a lot just wanna know sadge :(
I use additional mats only on weapon
whats the difference between Low and mid. im 1354 and still honor leapstone. can someone pls explain?
Once you get to 1370(+15), you can no longer hone the gear you currently have. To continue, you need to do 1370 hard mode oreha oculus/preveza or argos to get currencies which you'll exchange for 1340 orange gear from the abyss crafter. You'll gear transfer to these new pieces which will put them at 1370(now +6). To hone these mid t3 pieces, you need great honor leapstones which are equivalent to 5 honor leapstones in the mat exchanger. Of course, its not that bad, your una dailies, chaos dungeon and guardian raids will now reward great honors instead of regular honor leap stones.
@@FlashlegendSC ahh i see. i get itnow. thank you so much
Mr. Salt, you really need to turn the volume up. I'm pretty sure now after a few videos that the sound is generally weaker.
Is z2u credible?
Will you comeback soon ?
His pc is broken
@@Xyz-cr2sg i see
TLDR? Appreciate the effort if your videos and have enjoyed your past ones but this is a lot of talking to a screen. Would be helpful if you included notes (like a google doc) or visuals particularly in these types of videos.
i used to watch this guy on stream on his GIG channel, he loves to talk lol. i dont play this game so i have no idea whats hes talking about, just came here to troll
after +11 it seems to change a lot though i doubt its still worth it
For me rng is rng. At 99% you can fail and that makes me think juice is worth when you have farmed it, no gold to spend there
Requesting Diablo Immortal Content pls thx
Playing this fucking game is a mistake. All these fomo lost ark videos are a huge problem on youtube.
yeah i maxed out a bunch of heros on diablo 3, this game seems way too complicated, i dont have enough free time to learn this lol
to simplify. always use juice?
No, watch the video again.
very simple version
ALWAYS juice - weps that use great honor leapstones
GOOD to juice - armors that use great honor leapstones
MEH to juice - weps that use regular honor leapstones
BAD to juice - armors that use regular honor leapstones
So glad you stopped making videos :>
But why did he stop?
Extra Salt quitted Lost Ark btw.
Why did you quit?
hes no longer on earth
@@zaizion4727 He streamed yesterday dude.
How you doin black daddy
yep youre saving gold by using or not using juice. LMAO. its still a slot machine so you can pimp on what you want, its a gamble if you lose gold or make the click to win.
Hey there's a massive arbitrage opportunity in EU where you buy green tradables that are listed at 1g, and then convert them to blue version of that and resell,
As long as the green tradables buy for 1g, and the blues sell for 7g or higher you make guaranteed profit,
On 7g each 100g turns to 106g, on 8g each 100g is 116g..
+16% is huge if you do it daily and start with a couple thousand you'll be rich in a month,
Downside is, most often fish are 1g to buy and 8g to sell but there is already 100.000+ for sale, so it can take some time before they start selling.. so list it 3 days to be safe.
Also the boring part is that all green fish on eu sell out near instant, so you have to spamm refresh the market untill cheap fish shows up and then quickly buy.. it's not the most fun to do but it's huuuuge easy money.
Basically, 50 green fish are 80 trade powder.. 100 trade powder is 10 blue fish,
Let's say you spend 100g to buy 100 stacks of 10 green redfish or pearls,
Then you get 1000 fish.. you can sell 20*50 fish for 1600 trade powder total.
You buy 16 stacks of blue fish and sell for 7g, 112g. Tax should be 5 or 6g.. meaning you have 106/107g
On selling 8g it's 122g with 6 or 7g tax (not sure how it rounds up/down) meaning 115 or 116g
For green hunting, they don't often sell for 1g (since no bots) but the blue tradables on hunting are currently 12g.. so whenever you find green hunting drops for 1g you snipe them
The only non profitable are the foraging ones I think.
Double check= is the any of the blue tradables selling for 7g or higher? Yes, then see if you can snipe the market on 1g fish.
Last warning: sometimez when there is 160 fish listed.. and someone snipes 99 just before u buy, when you fill in to buy 99 units it can change the buying price to 2g.. always double check the buying price is 1g before click buy or you will lose out on some profit
How come this guy hasnt uploaded in a week? He made a card vid recently but made it private and havent heard since...
dude why did you quit bdo???? it's not like you lost that much silver enhancing lmfaoooooooooooo
I appreciate it. Your videos are entertaining but I'm already 1445 🤣
Are you f2p?? How are you 1445? Teach me plz
nice
i sell all of them, usually my artisan power get 100 % :) 315 fails
Dude this guys is
da shit.....
hitting pity feels even worse when you juice all the hones and still fail though. at the end of the day its just rng. i juice, i dont juice, they fail. the only successful hone or tripod transfer ive had in the last week has been from pity (twice). its important to include cases like this in your analysis, which is why i bring it up. if you juice every hone from +9 to +10 and dont succeed before pity, hitting pity is basically twice as expensive as it would have been with no investment in juice along the way. so if you calculate each roll that fails at ~1200 gold, hitting pity cost you 12,000 gold give or take, if you didnt juice. if you DID juice and still hit pity, that cost you 24,000 gold, for the exact same result.
and dont say its not possible, because it has happened to me twice in the last week. haha. i really hate the honing system in lost ark. its frustrating and predatory.
1tap more cost effective > all
lol i got always raw .. dry as it is
umm ummm ummm
Your trrna do maths on rng!! You could raw tap and fail till pity but you could tap it once with full juice and hit it saving you loads..maths on rng is pointless
All you need is Luck
Keep your WEapon at +11 even through Valtan Raid.
Your basic premise is wrong, 2 times at 30% does not equal to once at 60%.. so go make another video.