CSL DD vs. ALPHA MINI vs. CAMMUS DD!!!
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This is the best god damn review of anything I have ever watched.
@@tsunamiken lol thank you so much!!!
I think you're the only person(end user) in this world that own all of this budget direct drive combo
I was so excited to be able to do this video and I have been waiting a long time. I'm happy that Cammus came on to the scene shortly after I announced I was planning a CSL DD vs Simagic video. This really added a whole different layer that is much welcomed in this space!
you're easily one of the most honest reviewers ive seen
Literally what I told him too
Thank you both! I know it can hurt my chances working with certain companies in the future but if they make something I can stand behind, I think people are able to see that shine through on the videos.
Even though Simagic and Fanatec got 2nd and 3rd in this video that doesn't make them bad options but for someone wanting to feel confident they made a solid choice based on the qualities they hold most important, this video can help I think.
Lol
Those reviews might not feel as "professional" as some other simracing youtubers, but I really love how you dare to be honest, when all the others direct drive reviews are like "this is still inferior to a simucube2 ultimate, but it costs a lot less so it's ok" clearly avoiding a comparision with direct competitors to not make any company angry. Also thank you for reviewing lots or more obscure chinese products, i got the handbrake you liked less about one year ago, and it's still great value compared to "premium" offerings.
Hear hear
Thank you for your kind words, that is my goal here!
Any one of these products on their own could please someone for years to come but with so many choices these days it's nice to be able to see how they stack up to each other in all the ways I could think of.
Did you get the samurai sword or the one with the integrated handle?
@@kenhiew2900 :)
@@DouglasThompson the samurai one, the others weren't available on amazon when i bought it, but i payed only 60€ for it, more than worth them! Now i'd need a sequential shifter but amazon doesn't have any here, so i think i'd have to go the aliexpress way
EDIT: BTW another "broke simracing" suggestion i have: instead of buying expensive button box to have paddles on your wheels, on 3drap you can buy paddle shifters at less than 40€ (a bit more for the "pro" ones, but they're worth the extra cost), and get an aluminum or carbon plate cut for you, then you only need a joystick board (10€ on amazon) and some buttons (10 metal ones for 9€) and you can have a custom USB button plate for any wheel you like really cheap (i can send you photos of the two i made for myself)
@@martinocesaratto that would be cool to see. demureg@gmail.com
What a GREAT comparison of these DD wheelbases!
No real big surprises (to me), but awesome to have it all explained so succinctly! 👍👍👍
This video was more to help people decide if they were struggling to make a choice. Even though Cammus won on paper with the points, if you or others value one of the categories more, it's easier to decide I think.
Craftsmanship:
+3 Mini
+2 Cammus
+1 CSL
Power:
+3 Cammus
+2 Mini
+1 CSL
Size/weight:
+3 Mini
+2 CSL
+1 Cammus
Appearance:
+3 Mini
+2 Cammus
+1 CSL
Mounting:
+3 CSL
+2 Cammus
+1 Mini
Tuning Software:
+3 CSL
+2 Mini
+1 Cammus
Value:
+3 Cammus
+2 Mini
+1 CSL
Connections:
+3 Cammus
+2 CSL
+1 Mini
Ecosystem:
+3 CSL
+2 Mini
+1 Cammus
Game Compatibility:
+3 CSL
+2 Mini
+1 Cammus
Quick Release:
+3 Cammus
+2 Mini
+1 CSL
Convenience:
+3 Cammus
+2 CSL
+1 Mini
Materials:
+3 Mini
+2 Cammus
+1 CSL
Customer Service:
+3 Cammus
+2 Mini
+1 CSL
Overall FFB Satisfaction:
+3 Cammus
+2 Mini
+1 CSL
Small FFB Detail:
+3 Mini
+2 CSL
+1 Cammus
Large FFB Detail:
+3 Cammus
+2 Mini
+1 CSL
Practicality:
+3 Cammus
+2 Mini
+1 CSL
Totals:
Cammus- 40
Mini- 38
CSL- 30
i think you need to pin this comment. Strong video tho!💪👌
@@sleit0n whoops thought I did. Thank you!
Ordered my mini! If I needed a fancy wheel I would have gone with one of the other two, simagic wheels are so expensive. Although I have seen a few eBay usb flappy paddle systems from Russia that bolt between hub and wheel if I wanted to do gt racing.
Your value calculations are off. It seems like you're purely looking at nm per $ in which case CSL comes in second. It's $60 per nm. Mini is $63.
@@regibson23 I did the calculations purely on how I feel. There is no way you can put these 3 up against each other any other way imo. They are all great, they all perform and do what they are supposed to do, it boils down to the individual and what they hold highest, what categories are most important to them.
I feel you hold looks, sound levels and mounting options high on your list. :)
I feel I did these wheelbases justice and if you don't agree, that's ok! We all value things differently, I just hope I can help people decide what's best for them as individuals.
This is what we wanted to see man; short, crisp and to the point reviews. No doubt many other channels like sim racing garage put in hours and hours in maybe a simple quick release review but that detail is mostly unwanted. Good to see your unbaised thoughts
Thank you! I have been wanting to make a CSL DD vs Simagic video for a good while, the Cammus popping onto the scene was really unexpected.
I feel like SIMAGIC win.
It's a great base for sure! Not my choice but it is an excellent option out of these three!
Gotta go with the simagic. I can see for rally and dirt where you may not care as much about the small details, but the DD wheel craze began because everyone wants to feel these details.
The other huge selling point of the mini is because of its small size, and cable location, your monitor mounting positions are much more flexible than about any other wheel on the market.
I did really like that about the Simagic actually...I didn't have to worry about my cables hitting my monitor stand. Good point!
Canceled my csl dd and went with vrs direct force. Couldn’t be happier. Great comparison.
Let me know how the VRS is! :) Been hearing a lot about that option.
I reached out to them to see if they would be willing to send a review unit.
Simagic all day bro. Couldn't be happier I cancelled my CSL and got the mini alpha. Has exceeded every expectation I've had and then some. Nice vid bro.
its around 80% more expensive vs the fanatec
@@joost1183 What?
If you want just a round wheel with Fanatec and 8Nm.
It is 480€ for base and then additional minimum of 200€ for the wheel (WRC, Mclaren GT3) or if you want something bigger, because you find 30cm to be a bit on the small side, so something like 33-35cm, you need a Podium Hub. So in total you are paying 680€.
Simagic Alpha Mini for 13Nm with their wheelside 70mm QR you pay 735€ and you already have the QR. So there is only 55€ difference which if we ASSUME that they have the same strength, which they don't. Is not even 10% more expensive, compared to the Fanatec.
*I have excluded the rim price in both of these examples. Because we are interested in price difference to mount the wheel and not total price with the wheel.
But if you wan't podium level of wheel, then you get the whole GT1 pack for 1080€
With Fanatec Porsche Podium steering wheel which is 550€ extra the total is 1030€
Again, the price difference is still about 50€.
So I don't understand on what you are basing your claims.
Also with Fanatec it is known that the button caps keep braking, even the podium ones. Simagic buttons are made differently, so I don't expect to see a single one broken/split. On my Universal HUB all button caps have split in about a year of use.
@@nejcmirtic529 8nm is also not really enough for a standard 350mm steering wheel so you're really limited to sim racing wheels (only fanatec wheels will work) and the least desirable aftermarket ones.
@@Shakshuka69 I know, noticed that with my CSW 2.5 for 2kg combo of Universal Hub and 33cm OMP GP Racing steering wheel. That it is losing details compared to the Formula V2.5 when I borrowed it from a friend for a comparison. But as I said earlier this week, when I decide to swap it will most likely be a SC2 Pro or the second best thing VRS DFP.
The Simagic is a great option at this price point, as I said, if you hold Small FFB Detail high with a good amount of headroom, it's the clear choice of the 3.
What a no B.S. review. You’re the man Duggie.
Thank you Gavigan!
@@DouglasThompson your welcome Dumplas Thogson
@@gavancorrigan8813 Thank you Gavel!
Definitely my favorite sim gear reviewer. Thanks for all the work you do 👌
Thank you for watching and sharing how you feel! Makes me feel proud to do what I'm doing!
@@DouglasThompson You should be proud! Keep being you, man
i love the aggressiveness of this
Lol
I've bought a Fanatec CSL DD aaaand even if it first felt like heaven coming from my tmx wheel, after a few months i'm starting to regret not being aware of those other options back then because this DD base has lots of flaws, feel like really poor materials have been used, the wheel is kinda bent already (less than 200hours of actual usage), the ffb is weird af sometimes, like something is broken inside the base and sometimes not, like totally random
The more I use it, the cheapest it feels and I had issues with stuff, Fanatec customer service is awfully slow, If you don't harass them, nothing happens, had to wait 3 weeks to receive a replacement piece that broke on their (really cheap and poorly manufactured) table clamp
... Yeah wouldn't recommend anything from Fanatec at this point, big disappointment even tho it's kind of "expected" for such a "low price"
Great video btw, straight to the point, crystal clear informations ! cheers
You sound about as lucky as me when it comes to Fanatec gear. I have had quite a few occasions when I had to make use of Fanatec's "customer service" it's more like a disservice...lol
If they spent a bit more of thier profits on customer service and quality control they might be in a more favorable position in my mind. They make some good gear and they do a lot of promotion for simracing but they are not my favorite people...
This is good info. I’ve just jumped from console to PC and looking for a DD. Fanatec sound horrible to get hold of, have stuff delivered and just deal with on a human level it seems. Where I thought it excelled was quality, eco system and range. But, if quality is as you say, that’s another reason to avoid them. They are also always out of stock in Australia where I live.
@@rover1374 Consider that Fanatec has a much larger user base and has been around for a lot longer, so there will be a lot more people eager to complain and even more that are using it happily with no issue.
I like how fair you are! Straight to the point as well! Great content!
Thanks man! I try.
The only problem for the alfa and cammus for the entry level should be the amount of force they are generating for people without a rig. So living room simracers, they don't have much of a choice.
I have the mini on a GT Omega Apex stand and it's sturdy enough to fully enjoy it.
Or you can easily just limit the power and match what csl dd has
@@dcu21 In Rurope SImagic and Cammus is really more expensive. I would go for the alfa mini for sure if I the price wasn't like 30-40% more than China/US
You can always turn it down. ;)
@@KondyoTheLightning wow...that's really too bad. I'm sorry I didn't include that in the comparison but I am speaking from a North American perspective as you know. Wouldn't the Fanatec be just as much of a price increase or is it because the Simagic and Cammus are Chinese companies affecting the price?
I agree with the other commenters. The other channels go into great detail and depth. Sometimes its not always what a new sim racer wants to hear. it's about time someone compared DD wheels. This puts the explanations out there makes it much easier for a new person getting into direct drive wheels needs to hear. helps them make the best decision they can.
I'm selling my CSW wheel base , My dilemma now is should I sell my Fanatec Clubsport V3 pedals and get the Sim Magic pedals or wait for cammus pedals? or just hang on them for now?
I also do Rally racing.
Not sure why my first comment didn't post everything I wrote but I suggest to keep the V3's, the Simagic pedals definitely feel better for the most part but the Fanatecs feel great for the money. I also like the fanatec hydraulic brake pedal better than Simagics. Simagics feels more like air than fluid.
I agree too that it's great to finally see a comparison of DD wheels. The only other proper DD wheels comparison I found is from the Simracing Garage from more than 5 years ago..
About the FFB overall satisfaction and detail (the most important part imho): maybe the less detail of the Cammus is due to some smoothing that could be tweaked in the future with newer versions of their software?
Btw, I like the name the "DTDD Emporium" (tagline could be "The comparison videos that the simracing garage doesn't do anymore").
@@favs970 lol I don't want to throw a jab at Barry, I think he does great work. The tuning software is still in it's infancy with Cammus so it will indeed improve with time. Don't get me wrong it feel great and is my favorite feeling of all three! I use a motion rig when I race on my own time and that actually introduces all that sort of small vibrations that the Cammus is a bit worse at so when my rig is doing it's thing the pedals, shifter, handbrake, steering wheel, seat all have that road noise feel! ;)
@@DouglasThompson hehe yeah I like Barry too, I was just wishing for more comparison vids.. (and to the SRG much deserved credit, he was basically the only one to ever do DDs comparisons before)
@@favs970 He seems top be slowing his content down a bit, not sure if maybe he is busy outside of youtube or just needed a break.
yes nice vid man, for me the alpha mini is deffinetly the big winner. its awsome size and the details ar so acurate
Incredible detail, I agree. The size is something I wish more companies would replicate. Simagic has proven this size is possible, hopefully the next iterations of companies DD offerings will follow suit!
you are a very fair reviewer...excellent job, son!
Thank you dad!
@@DouglasThompson 🚓
@@richardthompson7611 🎠
All great options imo, each warranting their price range. I think the user can really decide what factors are most important to the buyer.
Yes indeedy, I'm going to try and break this video up into small sections so it's easier to navigate when I get time.
Simagic is definitely the winner atleast in europe, still about 150€ more expensive than the CSL DD but with better wheel compatibility and 150€ cheaper than the cammus
That's interesting, I'll see if I can find out why the Cammus is so much more in Europe. Thank you for sharing your experience/thoughts. :)
cammus is just 500 usd dollars. why its expensive than simagic???
@@windboosterwinsbooster5870 Shipping
@@windboosterwinsbooster5870 shipping and VAT brings the cammus base to about 750€
@@DouglasThompson in South America the base with the wheel is $698 + $300 for shipping and 23% of taxes, I almost 1200us$. The csl DD 8nm Is about $700 for the base (shipping and taxes included and $270 for universal hub with wheel that was for sale on black Friday. Now the alpha mini I found it in about $1400 after taxes with free shipping with the GTR round wheel. So I'm in a really crossroads in cancelling the csl DD order and add some extra money for the cammus or alpha mini. I'm basically a rally driver but like the details and realistic ffb and that's my concern with the cammus. What would you do in my case?
totally agree with everything I just usually see people racing the 10-12N range versus 15 and up. Obviously, torque and speed will be much higher for the 15N and up rims.
Ya they are all great honestly.
You are the most honest and relatable reviewer and I'm not talking just about sim racing stuff, all youtube categories in general! You comprehensively dive into the equipment and compare stuff that are so obvious yet so important to a regular buyer. And from these three, although that Alpha Mini looks gorgeous and I would probably never need anything more personally, I love the path that Cammus are on. That wheelbase and the QR, for that price, with all those functions is totally crazy. And hopefully if they continue the software R&D and bring us updates I'm sure they can extract waay more out of that base. They are in a position to push the market to a different level with that price to performance and quality ratio. Bottom line I think is, if you have a rig to mount that giant ass brick on, that Cammus wheel base is a no brainer. You said it perfectly!
Thank you so much!
And yes the motor is a 17nm motor that is down tuned, I asked them if it would be possible to extract more force out of the wheelbase through firmware updates and they said yes, they are long term testing the wheelbase at different levels to see what the maximum they can get out of it will be. ;)
Good comparison mate. I'm in UK and had my mini arrive two days ago. Simagic rim quality is phenomenal imo. I went with the GT1-D rim and I'm super happy with the entire package. I mainly drive GTE.
it really is a great setup. could easily accept it as my forever base.
@@DouglasThompson well I'll at least be happy with it for a couple of years until I go for an SC2 Pro. That's the dream base right there.
@@LowBlow I've heard nothing but good from them! Great end goal!
Hopefully they'll actually have it for sale soon ("wishlist" is the only option from those links) and from a retailer in the states. $150-200 for shipping means the base w/wheel is actually $900 + taxes, while the base alone is $650 + Taxes
Are you talking about the Cammus? If so the store is being altered. You have to contact Rebecca on that page.
I hope you do another review or comparison because simagic been doing very well on the ecosystem and their software
Simagic has many new impressive products.
Great video bro , even though I don't need another wheel base I can't take my eyes off the Cammus 🤷
Lol it's the bane of a Sim racer...
Awesome review, you rock! Great job on everything. Happy holidays.
You as well man! Thank you for all your support you give!
Nice comparison, small note you can also buy the CSL universal hub for the DD which has buttons/QR and paddle shifters combined for around 150 bucks. I picked it up with the Black Friday deal they had and although it is plastic I'm satisfied with it so far.
Definitely a good option but quality-wise I would not put the CSL universal hub in the same category as what Cammus has to offer. Thank you for adding that though, it's an option for Fanatec users that need a cost effective way to attach any rim they want.
@@DouglasThompson Indeed immediately bought 3 rims lol
To summarize - FINAL SCORE:
#1 - CAMMUS: 334,060 points
#2 - ALPHA MINI: 289,654 points
#3 - CSL DD: 27 points
😃😁 😂
Lol
Cammus is way too big and for me and the buttons are in the wrong place. But it is always good to see more competition.
Oh yes indeed, Cammus now has the smallest 12nm wheelbase on the market though. ;)
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lol, I like what I like! They are all great bases honestly, pick one and you will be happy!
Cammus is not 500, when you have a tag of $200 for shipping plus you also have to pay them paypal fees too on top of it
Shipping is really a problem it's heavy and international shipping is not cheap...they are working on a solution for this though. :)
I was thinking the same, when considering the prices the shipping costs should be mentioned for all bases..
@@favs970 the thing is, depending on where you are in the world the prices are different. Fanatec actually refuses to ship to some parts of the world and I don't know how much Simagic is in Europe and such. It adds a layer of complexity that is confusing to the viewer so that's why I didn't factor that in. :;)
Now try with the clusport dd and dd+ lol. Big difference and more equal to a comparison. Tbh after using these idk i cant put cammus higher for ffb detail but the forces of course will not be more on the simagic and cammus. Since its only 5-8nm.
But the dd and dd+ the new ones are so so good. Its smashing my 15nm simagic and it reminds me of the simucube sport with even faster ffb. 6.2nm/ms compsred to 4.2nm/ms from the pro and sport simucube. The ultimate is 9nm/ms but testing has shown around 6.3nm/ms also. The jump fanatec has made with the new clubsport dd and dd+ is pretty damn incredible.
Definitely would love too but this is more based on price. :) this was also when the csl dd was more expensive.
Disappointed that the Fanatec didn't compare well, but its still a great choice if you don't mind being stuck in Fanatec's ecosystem. There is a way you don't have to pay Fanatec for everything, but it is almost as expensive as Fanatec's offerings, so its not really a viable work around.
So I can't fault anything you've said about the wheelbase, Fanatec's ecosystem or its customer service issues. It's all proven to be true. Great video, sir.
They do have an amazing ecosystem but it just feels so controlling and that's what I don't like about it. As we both agree it is still a great option for PC and currently the best option for console.
I really like what you’re saying about the Cammus. Could you do a future video on it that answers these questions: What games are compatible? How well does the app work? What else plugs into it? (Like a pass through USB perhaps?). How long does shipping by sea take (to save money)? and How likely is Cammus going to stick around in this industry? I’m just concerned with them being so new to the sim racing game.
I requested the game compatibility list, they are compiling it. :)
The English version of the android app is still being finalized, the iOS one is up but I don't have an iPhone or know anyone with one... :(
The handbrake, pedals and sequential plug into the rear currently.
It would most likely take a month or so by sea from my experience buying Chinese goods.
I think Cammus will stick around because they have already been around for a good while in the automotive industry, sim racing is now a permanent part of the auto industry! :)
Very nice job bro thanks a lot
@@ozimate_ Thank you much!
I always tought i wanted the csl dd.(driving logicrap g923 now) but after many revieuws i think the 10nm simmagic is better. I like the eco system fanatec has so many wheels and such. But even the spare amount of wheels simmagic has are waaay better quality than 90 procent of fanatec wheels. The cammus sounds afwesome with the 15nm but i think i prefer more detail over more nm. But as i am just starting simracing its al to find out
Can't go wrong with any of them but if detail is what you're after, you will find it with the simagic. :)
That's my man.
What do you think about Cammus C12 for rally, and vintage open wheeler racing?
I often use gt3, but more rarely.
I got an offer for 350€ for C12, and i'm so confused.
@@arcidg oh ya, the 12nm is more than enough to get the feeling!
They all sound pretty good. I’m really happy with my dd. Unless someone makes a major breakthrough in ffb I don’t see any reason to buy another base…..unless mine takes a dump.
you sir have the correct mindset! the best wheelbase is the one you have/ will get. :)
im loving my csl dd, i would have almost gone with the sim magic but i wanted to complete my eco system since i had the pedals handbrake and shifter already
@@SSmallwood not to take away from your excitement but be aware of what you just said.
"I wanted to complete my ecosystem because I had the pedals,handbrake and shifter already."
That's how they get you to keep on buying Fanatec stuff. ;)
Once you're in deep, you're going to have to lose some blood to get out. Lol
@@DouglasThompson absolutely, im planning on going to the BJ steel hydraulic gt pedal set next year :D
@@SSmallwood haven't seen that one, I'll check it out!
My favorite review on these products.
Thank you much! I tried to break it down so people could target exactly what features ere important to them.
The cammus looks like a mini welder lol
I have reached out to CAMMUS to inquire about purchasing their product.
Nice! Make sure and mention my name and you will get money off if you decide to go for it. ;)
Which one can I drift easier with? Moza simagic t300
Not sure, I'm sure anything dd above 5nm will serve you well though.
@@DouglasThompson thanx
Fanatec are the only one with both Xbox and playstation compatibility! That's a big reason people are steered in their direction!!
Awsome video, thanks for making me discover the cammus!
Ya man! Cammus is an exciting company!
I was always under the impression Thrustmaster was Xbox compatible as well... Strange
Yes TM and Logitech work on console, but it's nothing to compare with a DD
@@rr_reaperqc yes, I see. Well Thrustmaster has the stage set for them, they better perform when it comes time,too bad they had to delay it...
Cheers brother earned a sub finally a no bs reveiw gonna go with the alpha as I do alot of open wheel racing
Nice man! Glad I could provide some info to help confirm your choice!
@@DouglasThompson cheers for the reply, should be here in the next day or two =) just got the base as I have osw rims
@@emde174 you will love it. Great little base and impressive for the size.
Great comparison buddy!👌
Thank you much RVR!
I have a T300 steering wheel, I drift easily. I wonder if I would drift easier or harder if I bought this product?
All products will allow you to drift, there are profiles from each company.
what wheel size pattern do i need to bolt directly to the alpha mini without adapter?
50mm
Absolutely correct fanatec has the worst customer service their main goal is selling.
Yes and it's a shame. I have been treated very poorly many times by their customer service representatives.
I just think, if the`` individual`` can feel the roads, sand, stone, grass, ordinary road etc. a steering wheel should remain a steering wheel, the rest you can build with but kickers or actuators if you have a lot of money, grr, and a steering wheel must be replaceable without needing extra stuff costing 200 euros [ just ridiculous sry ] I think, the one who can combine the best things wins, and will also have the most customers, I'm still thinking about which one to take, but the cammus seems like something to me, because it can offer more steering rims han the 2 others, and the software will keep improving, and customer service is VERY SPECIAL to me
Yes, they are hungry for business and very willing to help the customer.
You should do a review on the Alpha U 23nM wheel base next
I'd love to, I will ask simagic I'd they would be willing to send a review unit.
Make videoLook inside cammus wheel base
Perhaps in the future. ;)
isnt Alpha Mini 10Nm continues tho? apparently its peak is over 10Nm
Possibly, I have seen some people mention thier peak nm is higher than 10nm as well.
Is the simagic compatible with desks?
Ya definitely. Just take a price of paper and poke holes in the bottom and match the paper up with the desk and drill some slightly larger holes and you're good to go! ;)
I think you can mount it using a metal fanatec clubsport table clamp
It's been a while since this video Is Cammus really quality?


It's what I have used exclusively since I've owned a cammus base.
Thank you for this I enjoy these type of comparison videos. A few of your point's did seem a bit silly though. As far as looks goes that's completely opinion. My opinion is the Camus looks too big and bulky and probably would not fit as well in my cockpit.
As far as build quality and materials I'm sure they are all top notch. Just because one might sound a little different when slapping it on top like a drum...lol.
Quick release? Do you really need more than one?
As far as NMs go I see all the time reviewers praising a base with a high NM but then they only ever use 8-10 NM when they actually use them.
As for me I went with the CL dd because I wanted the options to use it on my xbox series c or ps5 (with the workaround) or PC. Right now I'm using xbox but when gpu prices drop I may upgrade my pc and switch over. Right now I'm over the moon with how amazing the CL dd feels and don't regret my choice one bit. I honestly don't see why anyone would realistically need or want more force than what it offers. If I was only on PC I might have gone with the sim magic though, I don't know.
Anyways thanks for the vid, just respectfully offering my opinions like you asked for.
You must realize nearly all of this is opinion that's why people watch my videos,they want my opinion on things. ;)
Also the slap was not what I based my points on, that was for fun lol I try to keep things fun while I give information out.
Having multiple quick release options is essential for many and although my only reason to have 4 at any one time is because I have a video series called BrokeA$$ $imra¢ing where I need to switch quickly between 3 or more setups. Check it out if you haven't already!
Either way, Im glad you got some enjoyment out of my video and I appreciate you taking the time to give feedback on the video!
Research shows: DDWB is unreliable, and is a stepper motor that's why you don't have good feedback. Mini is the same price after shipping. Cheers.
The ddwb uses a servo motor unless they changed it. There have also been 2 revisions since this video. :) thank you for your feedback also, where do you live? Mini is much less torque as well keep in mind.
@@DouglasThompson Mini is holding torque, peak is 13nm. So not MUCH less. Welcome thanks for video it gave me more confidence to skip cammus. Im glad they made iterations, i dont want to be on the testing side for now. South West USA. Have you done a positive review for PXN too?
Man that Cammus is hideous. I'm guessing it has a massive fan. How loud is it?
People always rail on the CSL DD saying it's ugly. But I love it when things are form follows function. Integrating cooling fins and T slots--genius. Just wish all the fins were T slots.
Ya, they really should have covered it in t-slots, I agree.
The Cammus is dead quiet as it's passively cooled and it stays cool to the touch. :)
Dose CAMMUS DD Works with PS5?
No it does not. Perhaps with some kind of converter but none that I know of.
Hey bud. Great vids. Do you know if their pedals are shipping?
I'm pretty sure they have stock. They are working on the revised model. Not sure if they sold out of V1's yet.
Subbed. Thanks!!
@@davenazemoto9788 Thank you!!! also, I will be reviewing the V2's as soon as they are ready. ;) along with the hall effect sensor sequential and load cell handbrake!
Just curious, would you be able to hook up a fanatec clubsport or any other shifter to the base. Considering buying one myself
I tried, it didnt work, it fit though
Now you need a simucube sport to add and test out
How much are those typically?
@@DouglasThompson mine cost $1,213+$73 shipping. But I got mine on murray motorsport and the give you points on purchases which you redeem for money off your future purchases and the points really add up.
@@SIMRIG412 Maybe I will try contacting them, I have heard so many good things. I can't afford buying one strictly for review purposes though... :(
@@DouglasThompson ya try to reach out. A bunch of companies sell them and may send you a review unit. Also seeing that you have 3 other DD bases to compare it to.
no point scoring fanatec stuff since they are out of stock for like a year now and nobody can get them.....
Lol
great info, thanks for sharing this!!
Any of the 3 would be great choices, honestly. What type of racing you do is one of the biggest factors ime.
@@DouglasThompson I’m into sim drifting ! I have a t300 rs id like to upgrade soon looking at the alpha mini a lot!
@jacobgoyeau the mini is a great base, super cool, knly thing I didn't like was the price and the non standard mounting base size but you can get an adapter.
Is their support on iracing?
I believe so,I haven't tested it myself though so I can't be sure. I think they released a video on the Cammus website of the compatible games though. I'll see if I can find it
Yo Doug . I'm still running the fanatec CSW 2.5 . Still debating whether to upgrade now or wait . Is it time yet? Is it outdated? Is this gonna be as good as it gets with DD wheel bases? Always love ur stuff Doug. Keep um. Coming! 🤷🏽♂️
I'd say you have the absolute best belt driven wheelbase on the market, stay with that till it breaks imo. DD feels better but the Fanatec belt driven bases are some of the best on the market if the torque level satisfies you still. :)
So what is best for GT3 racing? I dont want to dump more then 1000$ on pedals base and GT3 type of wheel. Any suggestions? Really nice comparison video.
If you're looking at a full set Ruoveden, wheel/base, pedals, etc. Prepare to pay around 1k.
@@DouglasThompson uh. any suggestion on the base pedals and wheel?
@user-bp9oj5ly1k any direct drive wheelbase within your chosen budget will be able to handle gt3 style racing. The fanatec bundle will be fine for you, the cammus 15nm bundle with lc100 pedals will be the best bang for your buck. Moza also makes a nice entry level bundle but pedal-wise, you won't find better than what cammus offers for the money and that will do more for your driving than a wheelbase because they are all capable of high fidelity ffb.
On a bombshell...
Every dd user in my circle of sim driver group locally were using simagic...
Either alpha mini or alpha maxi or m10
Some were on fanatec clubsport
But ive tried cammus...while its nice and bigger torque is always welcomed but the wheel buttons and paddleshift longevity is questionable.. (the unit i tested have non functioning paddleshift at that time)
Yes, the paddle shifters are the absolute best on the Simagic by far, Cammus is lacking in the paddle shift feel dept but I don't question the longevity personally. I asked them to include a funky switch in the next revision of the wheel button box and they will be doing that in the future. ;)
@@DouglasThompson good thing about thede newcomer from budget brands...
They willing to learn and listen feedback from us end user... 💪👏👏👍
@@AmirPomen Yes! They are very eager to improve and they will!
Hows the cammus on iracing if u play it i seen in another review the alpha mini referred to as notchy in the middle . Great review tho subbed!
Hey man, unfortunately I don't play Iracing mostly due to my disapproval of their subscription model. My apologies I can't help you with your question but I refuse to back a game that is set up this way. I hope you understand. :)
@@DouglasThompson nah I totally get it I'm super iffy on it myself still thanks for the fast reply 🍻
@@deathofthe-ego8454 ya man
Do you think high power could help build arm back streanth I understand people seem to be saying the lower power newer DD have more detail sharpness but I'm more interested in running unrealistic power and using it like yoga or gym slowly turning it up maybe I have a mid back non degrading back issue do you think sorta area between arm and spine could get stronger with it it's only on one side so I could be gentle on it obviously will ask a doctor and personal trainer advice also so please don't worry have a great day
let me answer you by saying this.
I got into sim racing to recover my left shoulder after surgery so I could know when ai could safely drive my car again. ;)
can you use fanatec wheels on cammus base?
You can, it needs a conversion though.
@@DouglasThompson is it expensive & hard to do?
@@earthexplorer579 I'm not sure..would you like to join the Cammus discord and ask the user himself?
Thanks for the great comparison video. I was about to pull the trigger on the Simagic but then your video about the Cammus came out.
Just want to get your opinion, I've heard some guys saying the Cammus is running hot? What is your opinion regarding that?
Do you think that they will do any other wheels? I would love a GT wheel from them.
they are working on other wheel options and they will also be implementing a directional stick or 2 on the next wheel button box iteration. I'd like to think I have something to do with that decision. ;)
my wheelbase runs cool to the touch even at 100 percent output. the Simagic I tested actual is the only one that gets warm to the touch. even that one doesn't get hot though.
Would it be possible to mount the Simagic Alpha mini on a normal PC desk, as the Fanatec CSL DD?
With a drill yes
Are we going to see the Moza R9 vs Simagic Alpha Mini?
I reached out to maza but they haven't responded more than the initial time but that was months ago. If you want me to review it and compare it against the wheelbases that I own and have owned write them an email please. :)
but are these Cammus products reliable? I hear a lot of complaints about the company

I've heard of heat issues but the V3 bases (current model) seem to have solved it. I have not experienced any heat issues myself.
Would you recommend the cammus for drifting. I'm learning to drift on the sim while building my IRL car, then I will using it to build on what i learn with the car? From tgis video it sounds like from what you say I could tune it to feel like my real car. Granted I havent built it yet, but once i have I could, if I understand you correctly. Currently the cammus ddwb bundle with the lc100 pedals is the most cost effective in the uk from what i can see. Since having an IRL drift lesson i see the benefits of the sim. It really helped me by having something to build of the. Something to go home and practice what I learned, but I do now see the limitations of my thrustmaster especially the pedals
I have many irl drifting friends that say it can feel just like their cars with some ffb tuning. I don't drift myself but most of my friends that bought Cammus bases do.
If you end up wanting the lc100 pedals, please watch my video showing how to get the most out of them! th-cam.com/video/wNoc-g0kXgM/w-d-xo.html
Hey, Doug!
Planning to switch from g29 to either simagic alpha mini or csl dd. I really like everything the alpha base brings to the table as far as detail, price, power and qr.On the con side of things I'm really not sold on the ecosystem. Also, I dont really like the look of simagic wheels and they seem too expensive (I intend to buy 2 wheels), you could buy an off-brand wheel from ebay, but you lose the paddels. I need pedals as well... A full Fanatec build costs around 1000 Eur (CSL DD 8nm+Wrc wheel+pedals with lc and metal QR). Would u offer some advice?
Keep in mind Fanatec is compatible with more games as well if you play a huge list of racing games. Most of the big titles are supported of course.
@@DouglasThompson Mostly rally games as I love Dirt, but ACC, F1 and might venture into iRacing at some point. How would you compare simagic wheels to fanatec ones, are they worth the price premium?
If you do rally, the Cammus or Fanatec will serve you well. The Simagic is probably the best feeling for the power range it sits in but it's just held back by the wheel mounting options honestly...
@@DouglasThompson Can't you just use their optional QR, or any other NRG type QR for all wheels?
How is this a debate? Its 3 different NM wheelbases so its like what? Saying entry level okay but 13 beats 8 and so on so they would all need to be the exact same NM to fair compare but okay i watched anyway and gave the video a like 🤔🤔🤔
Similar pricing.
How does the small FFB details from the belt driven CSL Elite compare to the Cammus? As Cam has the worst score in the small FFB department and I never touched a direct drive system.
Much better than a belt driven system.
@@DouglasThompson thank you!
The Fanatec CSL DD 8 Nm is $479.95.
:)
I'm assuming all 3 are compatible with the card board wheel. Right?
Correct. Its one of the best features!
Any way of getting one of those Cammus bundles from a US dealer? I'm really interested in picking one those up, but that $200 dollar shipping is brutal.
I am the US dealer now...lol
@@DouglasThompson Oh cool! Where can I go to purchase it?
@@Shake_nBake805 email me at demureg@gmail.com
Hi, I receive my DD snub on February 15 and with hindsight what do you think of it?
What is the DD snub?
Hi there! Do you know if the simagic quick release fits well on the Cammus wheel base without modification? Thanks!
No, it doesn't actually, I thought it did, but there is a difference
@@DouglasThompson thank you!
Thank you only person that knows the mini is actually 13nm people treat me like a tard when I bring this up.
I honestly didn't feel the extra 3nm but my hips lie to me sometimes so maybe my hands do too. Lol
@@DouglasThompson I know a iracing dev did independent testing and looks like it’s actively hitting 13nm peaks. I think he only tested iracing though so take it with a grain of salt.
I’m sure it best for simagic not to advertise and kill off the alpha sales.
@@PixelGod240 ya, with my testing on assetto Corsa and Richard burns rally even with the ffb maxed out in game and with Simagic software it felt like 10nm to my hands but am no NM machine. Lol
Do you think you'd be able to suggest to Cammus that they sell their QR/button box as a standalone hub without a rim for people who want to BYOR?
Already have, it's on the table. I'm not sure if/when its going to be available but I have told them they should offer the button box as a standalone device for like 100 dollars or something.
@@DouglasThompson You're doing God's work my man!
:)
Hey! Nice video, could you answer me two question. 1) is the cammus compatible with f1 21? 2) you said that small details are hard to feel on the cammus, what actually can't be felt with the cammus wheelbase?
I call it "noise" almost like static on a TV but through your hands. That is harder to feel, the ffb feels more rounded (in a pleasant way).
Also, I'm not sure about that game but I think it is. I have requested Cammus compile a "compatible games" list for the website. They are working on it. :)
@@DouglasThompson thank you For the quick reply, i'm planning to upgrade from a csw v2.5 to a direct drive wheel and this looks promising only issue that i have with it that there are no costumer reviews on it which would help with the decision.
Ask me anything :)
Awesome review even though some points were a bit odd. I curently own a csl dd but i would love to buy the cammus dd. As aspect i dont like it at all but for the thing that it has 15nm and support for af qr is awesome and mainly the only resons i would upgrade. But i have some concerns about wheel ecosystem. I went for fanatec even though i hate that you have only 3 options for af wheel support( csl unviersal hub-150$, podium hub 200$ and clubsport universal hub+rim for 370$) mainly for all the customizations and ecosystem. I hope cammus will bring new steering wheels that dont look like a 5yo drew them and they expand their ecosystem cuz if i am being sincere here all i would need a af wheel support would be for a deep dish drift rim. Anyway awesome review you just got a new subscriber :))
Thank you so much! Yes the wheel choice is limited at the moment but also keep in mind any 70mm aftermarket wheel will work straight off the factory floor... Fanatec has a bunch of cool wheels though no doubt. But if rally/drifting/road cars are your thing... Cammus can't be beat right now for the price.
Can you put up the Link for the quick release? Thanks
yes indeed, I will find it for you.
www.amazon.com/dp/B09GVPSDNZ/ref=emc_b_5_mob_i
different color but they are out of red
@@DouglasThompson ... Thanks!!! I Appreciate that!!!
@@BIGSHUNN ya man! They feel great! Let me know how you like it!
So do the simagic wheels fit, power and communicate with the cammus wheelbase? Looks like similar connections...
No they don't, I tried. Well they fit, yes but the buttons don't work.
@@DouglasThompson OK, good to know. Thanks for the feedback man, keep up the good work!
Thank you much! Will have some new gear to review in the coming weeks! ;)
I say go Fanatec all day best eco system 100%%
didiidididiidididiiiiddididiiiii? nice review congrats
Lol thanks!!!!
How did you order the Cammus base? Do you just message Rebecca? I really like what the base plus the wheel offer but the order process seems a bit strange.
Check the links in the description, they will lead you to the wheelbase or the wheel+base. You can also buy a bundle with the pedals for around 200 more I think.
@@DouglasThompson I checked that, thank you for that, but there is no Add to Cart or Buy button in the windbooster store, jus email to Rebecca Zhao.
@@filipruml I have an add to cart function....let me checi
@@filipruml I guess you have to contact Rebecca her email is media@windbooster.com. please mention my name and the code "Doug". It will give you around 50 USD off and it will help me get ahold of future items to review.
Hello,
I have just bought the CAMM
US direct drive which I will receive in 2 months. I am looking for software installed on PC, would you or should you please?
cammus.com/download/
Then click on the first option "sim racing drive" I think
@@DouglasThompson Thx :)
annnd today my fanatec stuff showed up. :-/
although I probably would have gone with it anyway, as weight is somewhat important on the dof H6, and I already had the clubsport pedals/shifter/handbrake, so it'll be nice to have fewer cords going from the rig to the pc.
still, part of me wishes I had all this info 6 months ago.
This video is not about shaming people for their choices, just to help them better understand the strengths of each product. Be confident in your choice if that's what you like. :)
@@DouglasThompson meh, it'll be a step up from the g29 anyway... have to change the rig geometry now though. like playing with an old erector set.
@@that44rdv4rk oh yes, it's a great feeling wheelbase, don't feel bad at all! :)
@@DouglasThompson guess I'll never know.. flat out doesn't work. do not recommend.
edit: after hours of dicking around, i got it working... had to take the shaft out and blow out the internal usb c connection with some canned air.... so it functions, but still cannot recommend due to the fact that It simply wouldn't recognize the device until I disassembled, cleaned, and reassembled.
@@that44rdv4rk Wow...not a good experience for you. I'm very sorry.
Iam starting from scratch becouse i sold my old CSL Elite set and rig. What do you think is the best value to start new? For around 850€ i can buy a Fanatec CSL DD 8nm. peadels and wheel. Cammus Wheelbase + Wheel and shipping ist about 800$ there are no padels includet, the Alpha Mini the same with a wheel and no padels about 1100$. Is in this case the best option the CSL DD to not breaking the bank and get some Driving going with the same FFB etc.?
Yes, if you have a strict budget the CSL DD will treat you good for that money.
@@DouglasThompson thank you for your quick reply 😁
For about 50-100 dollars more you could get a full Cammus setup but you would have to do sea shipping to keep the cost down and that would take much longer to get to you.
@@DouglasThompson I did a little bit of research and watched all your videos about the cammus and of course i suscribed to yor channel😁. I dident realise that this is a very new product and that it is awesome your review did make me think really do buy one support some smaller company that made a much better product than fanatec for less money.
They are a really cool company and I can see them doing big things (bigger things) ;)
I'm having problem with my cls dd pro right now. I paied extra for the express version just to get it before mars. And the very first day the wheel lost connection to the base like 1min in the game. So I looked at the connecting pins and female pins. And some were pushed down a little in the socket. So I managed to get them up like they should be. And then I could play like 4 minutes. But now its all dead. The wheel base and pedals work. But the wheel is dead. No ffb, no buttons.
I reached out to fanatec, and they answer 1 time per day. Its frustrating as hell. This service aerend is gonna take forever.. And once I got my problem and googled it, it seems like many people have the same problem. The connection with the wheel base disconnects som minute into the game.. What a shame! I mean common fanatec, what are you guys doing?
Did you try cleaning the USB c connection and make sure it's all the way in? I'm not talking about the USB c in the rear but the one that is housed inside the QR stem.
@@DouglasThompson nope I did not, maybe I should try that. The system is brand spankin new though. It shouldnt be faulty at retrieval one might think. But thanks. Or else I will send it back and probably go for a cammus. Is that better maybe? Or isnt it worth all the trouble?
@@Helikopterpop I'd recommend trying to clean the USB c connection first before you think about sending it back. Sometimes just undoing the clamp pulling the stem out and reseating the USB c connection has worked for some. If you continuously have problems, you definitely want Fanatec to correct the issue or get a refund because once your warranty is over, they will do their absolute best to try to charge for any repairs
@@DouglasThompson You seem to have saved the day. There was no dirt, but I scraped the contact points ever so slightly and then i bent down the top portion in the base a little to force the contact points on the hub to mate with a little down pressure. Now it worked for like 20 mins before it lost connection again. But it is definitly something related to the usb c. Its a really bad construction from the ground.. They should have made so that the usb could turn a little without turning inside the connection. A cable would have been ten times better. Or like three stereo jacks. A small usb C with the tinyest contact point and firmly mounted to the hub is like asking for trouble...
USB c is a GREAT connection...for phones. Lol
How I wish I could get the simagic.... Hmm..
Are there any specials during this time of year?
@@DouglasThompson Nah, not on stuff like that... The DD is 480€ for the 8nm version, while a Clubsport wheel with a universal hub V2 - with QR included, is 329€... So a total of 849€ including shipping..
If I buy a simagic mini in Europe, it will be 1070€ with a wheel and QR too, so its simply not a comparable price point in the EU.. Especially with the limited compatibility of simagic gear, I'm not sure if it's really worth it for people with limited mounting options either...
@@W0ND3RB0Y1 ya they are in a weird place for people that want a large elwheel ecosystem. On one hand they kinda have anything you would need...round wheel for rally, drift and road cars. D shaped wheel for God knows what, gt4 wheel for gt racing, F1, Indy, etc. And you can buy an aftermarket hub for any atypical form of racing to pop on whatever rim you want lol. But 5-600 per wheel is horrible for people that just want buttons on their wheels. That's why I said Simagic is in a weird place in my mind. On one hand if you are like me and you don't really need all the fancy buttons, the wheelbase itself is a good deal but there are no entry level full featured wheels for the people that just want one wheel per racing type they do.
@@DouglasThompson Yeah, Fanatec is like a jack of all trades, master of none.. But the thing I have a problem with, is the lack of quality between Clubsport and podium... I probably will go with QR2 and Clubsport wheels on the DD, if it's proper with the QR2... Seems like a good balance in their lineup, the customization is basically what you pay for on Fanatec imho..
BTW, what does the Clubsport wheels cost in the US? They cost 372 USD with the QR and universal hub here, which I think is relatively fair....
@@W0ND3RB0Y1 is the QR2 on sale where you are?