Ashkenazi Vs Sephardi: WHO IS RIGHT?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 ต.ค. 2024
- Rabbi Pinchas Allouche
Rabbi Yitzchak Schochet
National Jewish Retreat
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We do it all for Hashem.
We are both right!
Unity for Jews everywhere!
Amen!
Sephardic jews have influenced more to the world, here:
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Not exactly.
There are many atheists among us and still proud to be Jewish.
Hashem is not a Jacobite by birth right of the divine kings
The master of the Universe in Abrahamic Teachings
of Saul Of Tarsus who first preached to the sinagogues of Jerusalem who occupy Christian & Muslim holy lands
Pointless discussion. We are ALL Jewish and that is ALL that matters!! I m Sephardic woman happily married to Ashkenazi man and our children growing up learning about both cultures. Our cultures are different but we ALL have one Hashem.
Sephardic jews have influenced more to the world, here:
th-cam.com/video/jmZikJkYRVI/w-d-xo.html
We are all one nation. The uniqueness of our traditions IS BEAUTIFUL, as they are all rooted in the same history.
Tradition of scheming and swindling? Stealing? Co-opting? Lying? What’s is a gohim?
@@mr.v2689
It means the arrogant ones 😂😂😂😂 you think you know it all but yet end it with a?
@@Yosaif-Israel arrogant ones would be y’all. stop lying to me everyone including yourselves.
@@Yosaif-Israel only group with a derogatory term for everyone else. Seems unusual to most.
@@Yosaif-Israel and also most questions end with a question mark. No?
Differences in Traditions and Cultures should be celebrated and never seriously "debated".
It's Jewish tradition to debate
This "debate" was clearly a celebration of those differences.
...Not sure how you were able to miss this obvious fact. 😅
@@magnumopus1628 You are 100% correct for calling me out on this and I shouldn't have commented at all.
I honestly was afraid to watch it. I've been feeling a bit overwhelmed by all the news out of Israel and knowing that the Biden administration doesn't get that Israel is not the size of the U.S. They've got both Hamas and Hezbollah right next door. Not only does Israel want the hostages back, they need real security for their survival. 🙏
Actually, no. They were often disparaging the other one's culture.@@magnumopus1628
@@Mordchaiin a humorous and light spirited way. It was much more inclusive and fraternal than divisive, I'm sorry you misssd this
All Jews “originate” in the land of Israel. The diasporas are what has influenced enough to differentiate between Jewish communities, but all are Jews due to common origins.
Sephardic jews have influenced more to the world, here:
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Middle Eastern does NOT mean Sephardi. Syria, Egypt, Iraq, Iran are not Sephardi, they are Mizrahi.
Sefaradim and Mizrachim come from the same school of thought in Halachah and minhagim.
@@uriel7203 But Iraqi Jews, Egyptian Jews, Iranian Jews, Syrian Jews are Not Sephardi Jews.
@@uriel7203 Bukharan jews also! Great info btw
@YaakovRichfrit bucharian is mizrachi, officially. They originated as a congregation in Iran.
You're technically correct, However, They overlap.
To be honest , Ashkenazi ‘Rabbi’ was pretty arrogant, the Sefardic Rabbi tried to keep it classy and loving. Idk where this Askenazi arrogance comes from ..Ashkenazi school of thought is where left leaning ideas came from throughout the ages.
Not arrogant, I would say little bit more harsh. Rabbi Aloush is indeed classy and loving. We are so privileged to have him in our community. I am mostly secular, and if not for him, would not go to sinagogue so often as I do .
Agreed, he was aggressive IMO
He was acting.
Everyone knows its Sephardic it started with us and will continue to grow through us.
Pure nonsense! Seward is Spain, jews do not originate from Spai , thet csme to Spain thousands of years after the creation of the jewish nation!
We are all Jews, no matter origin. From an Ashkenazi Jew
I love that this debate was filled with fun and laughter! Thank you for discussing the differences in implementation of Jewish beliefs in such a kind way.
Ashkenazi Dad, Mizrachi/Sephardi Mum and can say that the latter is more firmly rooted in the heart which is the essence of the Jewish life. The Askenazi approach seems to miss the point .
Or maybe you didn’t get the authentic Ashkenazy experience as it’s not a monolith Ashkenazi Jews come in many flavors
@@Yosaif-Israel different shades of grey
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No
Some Ashkenazi were Khazar converts and don’t have any Jewish DNA
@@474fsde DNA doesnt define judaism, the mitzvot do. You're applying a modern lens to a tradition that goes back 3500 years
If you think gefilte fish is easier to digest than a jalapeño, you're crazy lmao
yall americans will have ddebates on anything haha..
we need more debates here in israel..
Hasidic school of thought was highly influenced by the Sefaradic one. Hasidim have made a major impact on the world and comprise is 99% Ashkenazic.
So I would say that would make Sefaradim the "winner".
Who wins the trophy when we both breathing at the same time
I love this debate. After all we cherish and respect and do things on boths sides of the aisle. Safardic Jews learn Rashi and the Ashkanazi Jews learn Rambam
At the end of the day the differences are only nuances. At the end of the day we are all one people.
Sephardic jews have influenced more to the world, here:
th-cam.com/video/jmZikJkYRVI/w-d-xo.html
I prefer the Israeli style, like at Rabbis Alush shul. And for food - I like almost everything ....Not the gefilte tho.
Im sephardi and I enjoy Nigguns and other Ashkenazi customs. However I will never enjoy gefilte fish haha. I do agree that the tav should be pronounced properly as t not s. Am Yisrael Chai!
Although I am Ashkenazi, I lived in Israel for a while. I LOVE hearing Ivrit and really dislike the Ashky pronunciation, and even more so, their emphasis on the wrong letters.
Hard to find where I belong
If You ever tried fresh made gefilte fish, not from a jar, you might change your mind. The French call them quennels. And fresh-made salmon gefilte fish is awesome!!🦈🐋🐟
This has nothing to do with your opinion it has two pronunciations תתּ
I was raised Ashkenazi. I have recently learned about Sephardi culture and I love learning more.
Don’t forget to mention ashkenaz invented reform and conservative Judaism which destroys Judaism every passing day 😂
Reform Judaism saved many from the baptismal font.
After the years of Moses Mendelssohn, Jews were rushing to become Christians in order to enjoy better jobs and participate more fully in German life. Reform gave them a way to socialize, dress, act, and live outwardly as Gentiles and at home be quietly Jewish. Reform allowed them to smoke, cook, and work on the Sabbath with orderly abbreviated prayer services. Worship would be accompanied by organ music. Reform allowed the German Jews to throw off all the oriental and primitive aspects of the religion.
Most American Jews are not Orthodox and never will be.
For most Israeli Jews, the Orthodox bet knesset, is the synagogue they want but never attend. So many hilonim (secular) Jews in Israel are really wanting more spirituality; don't like Orthodoxy but Conservative and Reform are not known to them.
Very, very true! How many lost souls are they responsible for?
Not enough divisions in the world that a rabbi has to say that his community is superior because they eat ground fish…
This is unfortunate and immature and totally not spiritual
It seems stupid because it's in fact a joke, sorry you missed that
Language was not discussed.
Sephardim speak Hebrew! Ashkies speak some German mix, Yiddish. Lol
Some Sefardí speak Ladino
What I meant to say was that Sepharadim pray in Ivrit, understood by Israelis, whereas Ashkenazim pray with misspronouciation and wrong emphasis on letters, IMO. I MUCH prefer to hear Ivrit in prayers and learning Gamara etc.
I think the next debate should be to find similarities between different fractions. As he pointed out we are more connected than divided. What is the need to stress our nuanced differences. We are so intertwined, and ONE. They both equally contributed a lot to our history.
Sephardic/Mizrahi style of prayer was Not influenced by the Mosque, there's evidence that it was the opposite.
This was so much fun and informative
Proud to be 8% Sephardic.
The Sephardim and Ashkanzim are two halves of one body which makes up one greater whole. The twelve tribes they are each different from one another. They all make up one greater whole. No one has it all but together we become all.
As a boy I learned of Jewish law and belief from my Bas Cohen mother. That was followed by Jewish education in Hebrew School at our Conservative Jewish Synagogue in the town I was raised in. I also learned from my Grandparents who were Orthodox and more practical view of Jewish life. In all of that I can’t remember hearing much about Ashkanazi or Sephardic ways except in ahistorical sense. More recently I have been watching Rabbi Mannis Friedman, a Chabad and Hasidic Rabbi, who has said that there are only one type of Jews. You are born a Jew and remain a Jew forever no matter what way you taught to observe traditions. I don’t see one being better than another. All ways have a place in the Jewish Culture.
You should see what Mizrachi says about the evil Mannis Friedman
@@GLOCKDPLUSFlowriders Mizrachi he is low level and a sinner as he says abominations about Jews and uses words that will never pass a real Rabbi’s lips
He tries to condemn Manis Friedman, but he lacks the ability to comprehend the Rabbi. Therefore, his criticism is useless and not valid.
We are both .. asknazie andsephardic my niece marrid saphardic nammed manuel, she calls him. Mannie.❤😅😊
Spinoza was sephardic and not ashkenazic.
5:32 they are Mizrachi not Sephardic
"Who is right?", in this context, is the most un-Jewish question ever!
To say that the Avot were Ashkenazi lol is just lying to yourself 😂
@user-xb9yo1pj4nits purposefully BS
whats is avot@user-xb9yo1pj4n
This debate was really over at gefilte fish but ashkenazi won because most of the crowd is ashkenazi and are ignorant to the Jewish life and warm community of Sephardic and mizrahi.
Was this done for purim? I cannot take this seriously. Bad taste if it was meant to be serious. Absolute nonsense. Ashkie married to mizrahi btw. Iraqi jewish food absolutely The best ❤
no, no, its just jews arguing over nothing. its our tradition, arguing for fun and making jokes
Look at all the deleted comments. Ou vey
this is already wrong. each tribe had different customs. this shouldn't be a debate.
It’s funny tho. And this is why Jewish people are so amazing 😊
The more sophisticated developed recipes, obviously took more time to develop showing that they are later, rather than original
I'd have much rather see these two laud and applaud each "others'" different minhagim and traditions. Would've felt far more inclusive and unifying.
I don't know if this was meant to be comedic, but this is really in bad taste. Let's not engage in content that promotes sinat chinam.
Mosques and Temples do NOT pray to the same God, although God hears both and visits more Muslims in their dreams than Jews because he wants to tell the one who seeks Him to pray to the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob. Pray for the Peace of Jerusalem.
Moshe Rabbenu was Ashkenazi?!? Then his name would have been Moishe Rabinowitz! LOLs
The Ashkenaz rav lost the point by his manner of speaking and tone. How lovely and humble the Sephardi rav respond with smile
You can rewire the Jewish 🧬 dna 🧬 by breeding the those 2 massive branches and then getting the final product and that’s as close as we get to the original Jewish image
😂😂😂😂😂
The majority of the jewish fundamental documents are written by Sephardi authors
Pronunciation wasnt mentioned. Is it Mitzvot or mitzvos 😊
This was a very enjoyable debate, and it made me burst out with laughter when rabbi Schochet showed his shirt.
However, I would like to correct 53:42 Spinoza was Sephardi
This is silly.
Come to Israel!
Terrible "debate", what do you mean "why not kitniot on pessach" ?! Because the big gedolim of yahadut Ashkenazi prohibited it for askenasic jewrey!!!
What kind of horrible dispicable talk is this, bashing gedolei and geonei yisroel
As much as I appreciate the discussion about the roots of Judaism culture, I do not appreciate how they seem to diminish the other. Each is beautiful, we should uplift
I thought Saphardi Jews were descendants from Spain and Portugal.
We are! The thing is that some of the Sephardic Jews from Spain and Portugal went to the Middle East and Morocco during inquisition times or after 1492. So throughout the ages, they adopted certain middle eastern customs, similar to those of the misrahi Jews (which are Jews from the Middle East and North Africa). But Sephardic Jews come from Sefarad, which in Hebrew translates to what we know today as Spain and Portugal.
What about the Yemen Jews
its beautiful!
will point out, its hard to watch, there is a add literally every 5 min...
AFREEN BISYAAR KHOOB mazel tov I am proud of all ashkenazi Jewish customs as well sefardi Jewish customs Jews lived on all 4 corners of the world as a Pakistani American chabadnik lubavitcher rebbe followers my opening greeting in Persian farsi Israel means very beautifull sayings Shabbat shalom good shabbos 🇮🇱🇮🇱🇵🇰🇵🇰🇺🇸🇺🇸😎
Great..........now I'm hungry. LOL
The Sephardi Rabbi's statement that only the רמב"ם wrote אליבא דשמעתתא is incorrect, the רמ"א, who all Ashkenazim hold like in regards to the הלכות that we keep every day (אורח חיים, יורה דעה, אבן העזר), is a perfect example of an Ashkenazi Rabbi who wrote אליבא דשמעתתא. And there are many others.
Very very nice ! I enjoyed it a lot . We are still one people , one Torah
Jews from all over are more alike than New Yorkers and Texans!
What a friendly and fun yet informative debate!
Over the thousands of years they have made Judaism so complicated to follow and this is why most of the them are secular.Instead of following the Prophets they follow Rabbi opinion of the past.
It's the year 5784 on HEBREW CALENDER to be exact❤
There are no Rabbanim as we don’t have a Sanhedrin; however, we have Hahamim. I can only hope it is then restored along with the Beit HaMiqdash!
The grand daddy of all the customs is Bene Roma. Go to Rome and you will see the original European Jewish custom.
All authentic Jewish traditions are wonderful.
Great show
Moses got confused as a Egyptian but was born to Ashkenazi Jews what???? 🤔😒
On this subject, I heartily recommend a track I discovered by accident (it appeared in my 'recommended' feed) by a British band called UNIT. The track is A Tribute To The Israeli Defence Force and it is excellent - tuneful and forceful without being bombastic combined with a lovely lyric. I know next to nothing about the group but on investigation I see they've recorded a whole batch of Jewish related tracks such as Pesach, Yom Kippur, Bar Mitzvah, Israel Is Real, The 613 Mitzvot and probably others I don’t know about yet. Some of them feature Rabbi Moshe Bryski which is definitely a recommendation in itself.
I cannot find that song. Do you have a link?
I love horseradish 😂
Neither of these groups are original Israelites of the Bible. Where are the original Israelites of the 12 tribes?
Just like a car has different parts to work.all tribes are part og the macro❤
Not being a Jew this is not pointless discussion because I have learnt a lot from both sides..
I would say, have you eaten yet!
every one knows the point is arguing over it forever like a good jew (even tho both are technically right)
This is pointless!!
Little Orange Yarmulke's. 😂😂😂😂
Surely both are Chabad so not really qualified for this debate 🤔
🥰 Lovely debate. 🥰
You totally missed out the Yemenite Jews as if they don’t exist!
That Ashkenazi song is much better in singing voice
Bringing division to Am Israel?
This is the most cringeworthy thing I've ever seen.
I enjoyed this segment. Funny but I also learned. 👀📜👂🏽. שלם עליכם peace for Israel 🇮🇱
He could have picked more complicated and interesting Ashkenazi music
The Sephardic tune is really interesting sounding 👌
Who is to say who is a Sefardii or an Ashkenazi after Purim? Iwjen did the label Ashkenazi start? Why are there separate yeshvos for the two groups?
Trying to promote G.fish is futile😂😂😂
Will King Mashiach be Ashkenazi or Sephardic?
Israeli mixed 😅
Mizrahi
I don't know about the topic of the video but I was reading Isaiah yesterday and something struck me as odd, it's the part where G** praises Cyrus the Great, king of Persia. "44:28 That saith of Cyrus, He is my shepherd, and shall perform all my pleasure: even saying to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be built; and to the temple, Thy foundation shall be laid."
Then shortly later "45:1 Thus saith the Lord to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;
2 I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron:
3 And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the Lord, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel.
4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me."
How does that make sense when we read about Cyrus and find "Across his conquered lands, he returned images of gods that had been seized in battle and hoarded in Babylon. And in Babylon itself, he publicly worshipped the city's revered Marduk. Cyrus's most renowned act of mercy was to free the captive Jews, whom Nebuchadrezzar II had forced into exile in Babylon."
Apparently G** is rather selective about which idolaters he condemns. Was Cyrus doing G**'s will when he returned all the idols that Babylon had seized to their former owners so they could worship them again? Maybe G** saw that as being kind and considerate, which I suppose it was, if you were one of the people who got their idol stolen.
This feels like a roast lol
Mizrahi people. Done. 👍
My answer is lavavich which is closer to Sephardi than askanise
Why have you forgotten about temun traditions? I am very intrigued by thier traditions which have not had to adapt to such a roundabout galus, so it resembles the oldest form of jewish tradition
Due to the fact that there are more than only two forms of israelitic judaism I consider both of them not as right, because they're not wrong or even false...
And if judaic Israelites could jump over their own shadows and could consider samaritic Israelites as right, too, I would be fine... 😊
But you see jews never used the art of sculpture like the Egyptian s or even draw there characters and prophets so we don’t have any evidence or foundation to the original image of Israeli people
If we trust and foll. In the House of Jacob.ow The Torah, and call ourselves Hebrew or Jew, that makes us one in the same family...
The ashkenaz shorter prayer, and accuracy in Hebrew, pointing to it, being the original prayer content, and then other versions added
accuracy in HEBREW?? Is this a joke. Yes Moishe Rabbayni..
@@adamyitzhak9907 do you understand the first letter of the Hebrew holy Scriptures? בּ Go ahead l’m waiting for your response. If you don’t know it, I will gladly start teaching you
בנוסח אשכנז בויגדל כתוב קץ הימין למידות הימין של הכל יכול וגם קץ הימין ובברכת המאורות אנו אמרים משבחים מפארים מעריצים ומקדישים בעברית ולא ארמית ובספרד כתוב קץ הימים שזה תרגום קצת חסר
Accuracy in Hebrew? Ashkenazi pronunciation is very distorted, ע, ח ק…completely mispronouncing ר…occasionally vowels mispronounced like yom is pronounced yoim…do you see where this arrogance comes from?
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Nobody said anything about pronunciation, but none of the communities around the world were able to hold A authentic pronunciation. Therefore, it must be renewed out of many of the different pronunciations. The Yemenites have a lot of good stuff but it’s still not perfect.
This debate is hilarious. The mention of "cazuela de pescado" killed me! What a pair fo comedians! Bless them.
Not easy to defend gefelte fish😂
The Ancient Israelites did not eat matzo balls.
Maybe they did.
A matzo ball is a dumpling made from ground matzo, eggs, oil (or equivalent shortening or fat) and water.
Dumplings of various kinds are popular around the world.
It is true that ancient Israelites didn't call them matzo kneidlach but they may have called them some other name.
@@stephenfisher3721 Could be!
Maybe that was the Mana?
@@GLOCKDPLUSFlowriders Actually, there is some evidence of a type of mana in the desert 🏜️.
No shit, sherlock
This seems like a Purim shpil
They are all Donmeh sabbataists
frankist, if in doubt deny them both.
You guys are not enemies but instead related and do remember same dad and different mothers
אחדות ואחווה
46:20Interesting