The WORST FOX BROADCASTING CONTROVERSY of the 2002 NFL Season
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- In week 1 of the 2002 NFL season, the FOX affiliate in Orlando, WOFL FOX 35, decided not to show the hometown Miami Dolphins take on the Detroit Lions, and instead, opted for some bizarre reason to show the game between the... Arizona Cardinals and Washington Redskins?
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I never knew the local station picked which game they showed, I always thought the NFL chose which games got seen in which market.
The network was trying to save them from dying of boredom. "Trust us, folks, we're trying to spare you from having to witness this Mike McMahon-led Marty Mornhinweg offense."
Fast forward to the 2005 Eagles when our whole team either got suspended or injured. Mcmahon and Morningweg were back in the saddle!
@@southbeachtalent I watched the Seattle game. I’m sorry.
@@mangroveAll good. I think every fan base has been through a season where anything that could possibly go wrong..... Did
I was living in Michigan at the time and remember Mornhinweg going nuts in a press conference after that game. He only won five games in two seasons as an NFL head coach.
Haha, yeah I guess you got a point.
If the local team stadium doesnt sell out, the local channel will block that game as “punishment” to the fans who opted to watch it on tv.
Not only this was Steve Spurrier’s NFL head coaching debut, not that this applies, the Arizona/Washington game was Pat Summerall’s first regular season game without his previous partner John Madden who had went to ABC to join Monday Night Football. Summerall worked the AZ/ Washington game with Brian Baldinger.
Thanks Tommy. Ps dumb question? Starting with this ‘02 season opener was Summerall along with new partner Brian the “B” or “C” Fox NFL broadcast team? I am fully aware that Joe Buck, Chris Collingsworth and Troy Aikman became the #1 Broadcast team.
@@americangiant1003Not quite, Summerall came back to mostly cover Cowboys regional games.
@@americangiant1003 Summerall/Baldinger crew was not ranked. Going into the 2002 season, Summerall agreed to stay with FOX and he did the full 16 week season mostly the Cowboys games with the exception of Thanksgiving and non FOX games where he did just a few non Cowboys games the weeks FOX did not air Cowboys games. Dick Stockton and Moose Johnston were the #2 team. Sam Rosen Bill Maas were #3.
@@tommyparkerparker You could actually say that Madden and Summerall, as a sort of a one last time thing, did both Niner/Seahawk games, with Madden/Michaels on MNF and then Summerall/Baldy from SF Thanksgiving weekend.
The CBS affiliates in the Cleveland area should broadcast Tampa Bay @ Minnesota in Week 1.
I was at the Lions/Dolphins game. Man, was that a brutally hot day. Detroit just melted on that field.
The "O" in TV station WOFL means "Offensive", as in "offensive, putrid terrible programming decision."
Lucky for you, you'll never have to worry about that scenario ever happening with the Jags.
2:09 Tom Brady when he left the Patriots and joined the Buccaneers. GOAT player who a large contingent of "Patriots fans" cared more about than the team, itself, and were more than willing to convert their sports loyalty to a new team.
I gonna post this, but then figured someone might’ve beaten me to it. And here it is
@@cancerstinks1 Cheers.
The station manager said he made the decision in April, so you can say he did Knott WOFL. I’ll see myself out.
.......(eyeroll)........chuckle. ........
That was the Dolphins only Fox appearance in 2002. Chicago game was a Monday Night. 2003 had Washington on a Sunday Night & Philadelphia on a Monday Night.
Ah yes, the early Steve Spurrier hype when he came to Washington, I remember they got a decent amount of prime time games and a lot of predictions that they would be a playoff team even though they didn't have a QB just a bunch of retread QB's who he happened to coach in Florida.
It's a miracle Spurrier didn't completely embarrass himself considering all the chaos that comes with working under Snyder. Spurrier has been on record saying that he took the money rather than the best possible situation.
Some coaches just don’t belong in the NFL, and should stay in college. Spurrier is number one on that list.
@@ACGreyhound04 Urban Meyer is 1(b)
@@teen_laqueefaWhere do you rank Bobby Petrino? Lou Holtz?
Lol at thinking that Danny Wuerffel, Shane Matthews, Trung Candidate, and Jacquez Green being part of a competitive roster in 2002
im wondering if tv rules didnt allow the jags and the fins to be on orlando tv simultaneously unless they played each other, analagous to the oak/sf and the new york teams.
Spurrier became a mediocre coach in the NFL, fired after a couple seasons, that’s when it clicked into Washington fans that Dan was a bad owner.
Didn't the Dolphins game get out of hand? I mean maybe the network had an idea that would happen
WOFL cowtowning hard for Steve Spurrier.
If you squint hard enough you could kinda understand the decision but yeah, this was not the wisest move. I'm just wondering if the Gainesville area FOX affiliate showed this game rather than the Dolphins game.
The Gainesville Fox affiliate is owned and operated by the Orlando affiliate.
@@cjack21276 Cool, thanks for the info.
As an Eagles fan in SW Connecticut, I can commiserate… it’s Giant, NE, Bills, Cowboys then Eagles if you’re lucky, except 2 times we play Giants.
now that you mention that, growing up in Danbury. Yeah I never did remember seeing the Eagles much unless they played a team from the NE or NYC market. Birds probably would have been more popular than the Cowboys, Given fans of any of the other regional teams around SW Connecticut would by default hate the cowboys.
I live in a Bengals market and until Burrow I'd have rather watched just about anyone else. Ya see, football fans enjoy games, while Bengals fans throw shit at the TV.
In what universe is Virginia Commanders Country? It's been almost 20 years of failure for the franchise since I left Virginia, and it wasn't a strong market for the team before that happened. Even back in 2005, Virginia was Cowboys or Steelers Country, to the point where the running joke about people from Virginia was that we don't actually like the local sports teams. At best, the Commanders are fighting the Packers for third in Virginia.
Virginia IS DC market. Even when the Braves had a team in Richmond, it was still Orioles country. Hell, the Skins were still going down to North Carolina until the Panthers came about. The battle for North Carolina would be a great vid for the baseball Chanel as the Braves and O's fought for a long time.
Orlando's fanbase is a majority Jags fans.... alas, the fanbase for Ho-town looks like this 20% Bucs, 25% Fins, 40% Jags, 15% other.
I don't know what schedule you are looking at Week 1 is vikings at home against the bucs and the cardials are playing the Washington Commanders
Folks complained about it but both games were weren't good because Denver blew out the Giants and the Raiders won their game 19-9.
This is very similar to what happened in Spokane in 1991 with the NBC affiliate & the Seattle Sonics of the NBA. At the time the Sonics dominated the state of Washington when it came to popularity thanks to players like Shawn Kemp & Gary Payton. However instead of airing Game 2 of an opening round playoff series between the Sonics & the Blazers, the NBC affiliate decided to show Game 2 of the Jazz-Suns series even though like this they were under no contractual obligation to do so. The reasoning behind this was John Stockton who went to Gonzaga & was considered a local basketball legend. This meant that the only way you could watch Sonics-Blazers was through the Sonics PPV service that was available in the state of Washington or listen to the game on the radio. As for how both games turned out both were blowouts with Blazers largely dominating the Sonics in a 115-106 win & the Jazz losing to the Suns 112-102.
A week later they delayed Game 5 of Pacers/Celtics for Bloomsday, although they did show it at least.
There was another one involving Orlando in 2013 when they thought they were getting the Manning Bowl which ended up being the last Manning Bowl instead they got the game in Oakland between the Raiders and Jags.
The Jaguars claim the Orlando/Deltona/Daytona/Melbourne DMA as a secondary market (the Savannah and Gainesville DMAs are their others) and a club's secondary markets' stations are obligated to air their road games. The NFL forced WKMG's hand in this case.
We'll touch on that in a future video, because I distinctly remember that one and remember the Orlando station apologizing for being forced to show that game
It’s kind of like thinking Patriots fans would rather watch the Buccaneers than the Patriots because of Tom Brady. Oh wait, that’s actually realistic
The star sells and the camera's will follow ! Nobody knew who the New York Jets were before NAMATH ! No one heard of Greenbay before Lambardi and when Farve moved around , so did the venues ! You wanna see John Wayne or John Garfield ? You have no control over it , only your remote ! Deal with it !
I love your videos
Orlando is a secondary market for Tampa. Thats why it was shown.
Right- that was for the 4:00 game. The Bucs were not on at the same time as the Dolphins
As a complete aside from the topic.... Man.... you could put Jason Taylor in pads in a lineup of Jason Taylor look alikes in pads, and you still be able to instantly know which one is the real Jason Taylor in pads. Such an iconic look.
spoken like a true Jags fan... although I grew up a colts fan, when Peyton made his debut for the Broncos there is nothing on television that i would have watched over his debut with a new team. Luckily it was Sunday Night Football I believe but Jesus could have been playing for the Colts at the same time and I would have tuned in to see Peyton.
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Are we really arguing about this? You had 4 garbage teams and 2 bad games.....when you could have had ATL and a young Vick vs GB and Favre broadcast..... Orlando isn't a home team for ORL, and MIA will be broadcast on CBS the rest of that year...
Oh, and it wasn't just Spurrier - there were also 2 UF QBs on that WAS roster - Matthews and Wuerrfel.
Usually this situation is resolved by watching games at sports bar
That requires going out in public.
Uhhh fam, A LOT of nfl fans don’t have services etc and can’t watch their team if they play out of network
10:32 mark is still true today. For millions
Kirk WHO?!??
12:05 did you say it right? For all intents and purposes? I think you did. Seems like so many say intensive purposes
😴......This is why smart people have NFL Redzone
im a Saints fan and i lived in a city called Shreveport which is about 180 miles east on i-20 from Dallas.
its a city that is, however, a distinct Louisiana city and the 3rd largest behing BR and New Orleans.
our fox affiliate kmss 33 had a cowboys fan high up on the ladder
they tried blacking out Saints game on multiple occasions until people showed up at their building and might as well had pitchforks and torched
that dude got fired in 2005
first off fox is only nfc games. so first would be tampa bay if at home. if no home tampa game it goes to the closets game from your location. just how it works
That's how it worked even way back when in the old days of Musburger, Cross, Greek, Costas and Rashad-- broadcasts are and have been determined by closest area to where you live.
I actually can’t imagine waiting all off season to see your team play and then realizing that you can’t even watch the game. All of that hype for nothing
Low attendance blackouts sometimes happen and also gets ya 2 teams you dont want to see.
Not anymore.
Maybe it’s just me but the vid seems really quiet
I live in NY and had the Sunday Ticket as a Fins fan and I stopped watching the Fins that day in the 3rd qtr myself. Funny thing is I turned on the Lions/Skins game
Marino was recently retired, Detroit sucked, Spurrier was now an NFL head coach. I probably would have chosen this game over the Dolphins game. They also could have showed the Buccaneers/Saints game (which actually went into OT). I'm also guessing DirecTV loved these type of decisions because it might mean more customers ordering the Sunday Ticket. Worse case scenario, go to a sports bar
JG9 said the Saints-Buccaneers game was at 4 ET.
@@CTubeMan Damn, I must have missed that!!
@@leogetz3570Leo Getz it done…with help sometimes.
'You call me. You fkn got that...' leo getz things done.
@@CTubeMan lol...yep
It's probably for the best. I remember that game. I think even a Dolphins fan would have been made sick by the Lions play that day.
Early 2000s lions were probably the darkest era in our teams history. I don’t think there were any worse teams in history than the lions from about 2001 to 2007
@@Thrashman-ye4cf which is saying a lot when you consider the second half of the 80s...and the second half of the 70s...little bit of the 60s too.
@@zachshipstead5247 exactly. I’m 28 years old and my favorite season I ever watched was a year we lost in the wildcard lol. Here’s to hoping for our first playoff win in 30 years in 2024!
@@Thrashman-ye4cfI present to you 0-16 browns.
Virginia is 'Redskins' country.
Even today NFL broadcast moves still suck, here in the ATX market for whatever reason have to watch whatever other AFC game over a Texans one, like I clearly remember being so disgusted with the Texans vs Browns not airing here, despite the fact it featured both the Texans and their former QB, which would have made a good local game for our neck of the woods, but instead we got a lame Jets game, (I could be wrong on them) for sure not a Texans game.
Here in Tyler, Texas the local CBS channel stopped airing the Texans in favor of the Chiefs because Mahomes is from here. Luckily I’m a cowboys fan so Tyler-Longview area is a very pro Cowboys Market
Such an obscure topic but great storytelling..
Two videos in three days regarding Washington’s 2002 season! Imagine that.
Is this really a 22 minute story? Drifted off a few times. Most stories are solid, but this one was kinda a reach
Nice shade being thrown at Texas A&M...lol.
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Idk but its still the NFL and I get Spurriers in state success I still don't think it should've played a factor but ok I guess since its wk 1 and not last week playoff implications but still
In state folks wanna see their team... that Trump's all and yes pun intended since he resides in Florida
FOX 35 messed up in this case. Big time. I know Steve Spurrier's popular throughout my state, but ignoring the Dolphins when they were available with no Bucs conflict was an awful call.
However, I remember a situation in that DMA that was even more egregious. In Week 1 of the 2015 season, the Titans visted the Bucs in CBS' late doubleheader window with no Fins or Jaguars conflict. The Titans (Marcus Mariota) and Bucs (Jameis Winston) drafted QBs that year who would start in that game. WKMG, the CBS affiliate, hired a new program director and it was crystal clear that he had no idea how NFL fandom works over there. In his infinite wisdom, he chose Ravens/Broncos instead and there was plenty of outrage about that.
These network is something else
Spurrier to the NFL was a huge story throughout the whole league at that time. People thought he was gods gift to offense and he revolutionize the pros, plus Dan Snyder gave him the bag! Of course it was quickly shown to be a gimmick and a fraud. Philly went through something similar with Chip Kelly. I think we've smartened up to celebrity college coaches taking over the NFL these days. Not even Nick Saban back to the league would draw near the buzz of Spurrier in 02
Well… almost everyone…
See Atlanta and Bobby Petrino
See Jacksonville and Urban Meyer
WNYW-TV (channel 5) in NYC did carried a different New York team than showing the Dolphins/Lions game in the afternoon depending on New York if any of the team would showed them.
In 2011, WOGX (FOX 51 Gainesville) aired Bears-Broncos instead of Bucs-Jaguars because Tebow. That was a good call.
Screw that I wanted the Cards and Vikes to play each other..magic always seems to ensue in that unheralded rivalry....TOUCHDOWNN!!!!.......NOOOOO!!
Can’t compare Caleb Williams to Steve Spurrier, c’mon. Apples and oranges . And Jimmy Johnson was coach of Dallas before Dolphins, so your comparison about him is invalid. As a die hard Gator and Dolphin fan who lived in Tampa for almost 20 years and remembers this Detroit game vividly as Ricky had a huge day, I can say I’d rather watch the actual Dolphin game than Spurriers first game with another team, even a pro debut, but I can promise you that in Orlando in particular it is much more heavily favored in the Gators over the Dolphins. Orlando and Miami don’t like their basketball teams, there isn’t a lot of Miami love in Orlando, I’m not sure where you’re getting your info from. Anyways decent video, trip down memory lane. Go Gators Go Phins
And it would be a couple years before NFL red zone launches when terms like Witching Hour, quad box and Scott Hansen happen. I also get the Lions were coming off a 2-14 season but it's the debut of Joey Harrington and also it's Ricky Williams' first dolphins game.
The fox affiliate should've realize the Lions Dolphins was Ricky Willians' first game in dolphins uniform and it was the debut of Joey Harrington.
The Lions only did one game better in 2002, and fired their coach after winning only five games in two seasons. Actually the Lions were originally going to keep Mornhinweg, but when Steve Mariucci was fired by the Niners after their playoff exit, the Lions immediately fired Mornhinweg, then a few days later hired Mariucci, violating NFL rules in the hiring process.
This decision actually makes some sense to me, haha!
Yeah, I disagree with it, but I can see how someone could think it was a good choice.
@@JayTemple if I were a fan of the Dolphins or Bucs, I’d probably feel differently about it, but the team I like is the Jaguars, haha!
Haha, foreshadowing week one with Adam Thielen, except Vikings/Bucs is on CBS so no worry
I would think people in Orlando would root for the buccaneers since Orlando is an hour east of Tampa
Some of them do. FOX 35 doesn't go out of its way to avoid airing the Bucs' games. FOX 35 and WESH 2 (NBC affiliate) treat them like a home team.
@@marcus813 one of my relatives lives in the Orlando area and they root for the dolphins
Miami was the first NFL team in Florida, so a lot of older folks stuck with the Dolphins not to mention the Bucs were awful for most of their existence before Dungy got there in 1996 and Miami was usually a perennial playoff contender, it happened here in Jacksonville too, many people here kept their allegiance to the Dolphins
@@chadadams6052 makes sense
@@phillyfan-182i lived in polk county, (also am a Philly native so wassup homie) but i will say we had dolphins, bucs,.and cowboys fans
Also not mentioned in this 2002 season opener was historic for another reason. The first major league wide divisional realignment since the merger. With Houston joining as an new expansion team. And the creation of the new “South” Division in both conferences as well.
What does any of this have to do with the thrust of this story?
@@CTubeMan Jag does a great job in these daily segments. However besides Spurrier, the divisional realignment was the biggest “on the field” headline league wide for this particular opening weekend.
First major shifting of divisions since the 1970 merger.
IMO it could have been mentioned in a quick few seconds even in this Orlando/Dolphins TV coverage mess as it was that important. Plus the Lions was playing their 1st ever game as members of the new NFC North.
Plus the new north divisions, with central divisions being eliminated.
Colts defeated Jacksonville 28-25 in week 1 that year in Jacksonville.
Also, I'm with Stan Knott on this one. This is not the same thing as ignoring the local team. Spurrier made the most sense to show in Orlando, which has no home team and would be more likely to follow Spurrier to the NFL. The Oklahoma analogy doesn't work either. A better analogy would be if Bob Stoops got hired by the Seahawks and Fox had to choose between them and the Cowboys. I think Oklahoma fans in that scenario would prefer watching the Seahawks.
They didn't show Dolphins game b/c they were playing the shitty Lions. I can say that, I am a fan. Showing Steve Spurrier first game was the right decision.
Jake Plummer's final season in Arizona.
Just get to the point. This video goes on so long that I didn’t care anymore and clicked off.
The networks are probably standing in line to hire you so all these stupid mistakes won’t be made anymore. Seems that all your videos are insulting some network or another
You said Oklahoma fans and USC quarterback Caleb Williams. The USC coach Lincoln Riley used to coach Oklahoma, too, but I live in that state and Oklahoma fans can't stand the Trojans.
Good Day Orlando is very mid
I can actually kind of understand the decision here. Unlike the examples you used here involving NFL quarterbacks and coaches jumping to a different team that would be a competitor to their previous team's fans, Florida is a college team and thus Gator fans could easily root for UF on Saturday and Washington on Sunday if they weren't deeply attached to any NFL team. The future Commanders weren't going to be a threat to Florida in the BCS picture that season.
Also, while there are plenty of Dolphin fans particularly on the Space Coast in the Orlando market, Orlando is not a secondary Dolphin market. It is however a secondary market for both the Bucs (an NFC team usually on FOX) and the Jags (an AFC team usually on CBS). Since Flagler County is in the Orlando market and within 75 miles of Jacksonville, if the Jaguars and Dolphins were playing at the same time then the Orlando CBS affiliate had to show the Jaguars even if more people were interested in the Dolphins (unless the Jags were blacked out at home as happened somewhat frequently back then). As such, despite the historical reasons for Dolphin support there shouldn't have been any expectation in the Orlando area that the Dolphins would be on TV as they wouldn't be on most weeks.
in a city filled with Transplants, there is no deep attachment to any Florida pro teams
First of all another great video where I learned something I was unaware of . But as a Lions fan , this brought back a painful memory I completely blocked out of my mind . 😂 Especially being that I was there .
I always love your content and opinions, but I have to disagree with you 100% on this instance. While I'm a Floridian (via Ohio-Who-Dey), I just don't get how people just assume everyone in Florida is a Dolphin fan. Sure in the Metro-Dade area, I get it. On the other hand, Orlando is closer to Jacksonville and Tampa. Assuming Orlando is Dolphins country is kind of a stretch. Heck, that assumption for years even stretched to where I live in Panama City. Trust me, it was a huge assumption to consider Panama City a "secondary market for the Dolphins. There are more Cowboys, Steelers, Browns and Bengal fans in Panama City than Dolphin fans. The entire State of Florida hasn't been Dolphin country for 45 years. I don't buy the "local" team bias argument. Also, this was WOFL-- a Fox affiliate. Remember, Fox just got the NFL rights a few years earlier and being the home of the NFC, I seriously doubt if that channel marketed towards the Dolphins. Had it been the CBS affiliate with a long history of being with the NFC and just now having AFC games, I could see them airing the Dolphins game, but for WOFL, I can see their logic. Finally, I just don't buy the "outrage" factor given the fact Sunday Ticket was available and almost every food establishment aired all games (unless blacked out-- but not a problem in Orlando). Granted, I'm not a fan of the Dolphins, so the whole issue would be a non-factor. For me, each station should decide which games to air based on match-ups and not geographical location unless it is the actual team city's local affiliate.
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