@@coops1992 Neither really. Drow society is a Matriarchal one. So males wouldn't dare give orders like that to a female. They'd be killed on the spot. When speaking to Minthara, she clearly still carries the weight of her authority from when she lived in the drow city Menzoberanzzan . Nere on the other hand is loving his new found authority lol
I played as a female drow and was surprised there were no fem drow-exclusive options to tell Nere to know his place and stfu. You could bully Ghourm into giving you all his loot if you play as a female drow so idk why they didn't do the same for Nere.
@coops1992 Drow (specifically lolth-sworn) society is immensely tipped in favor of females. There's entire sections of lore dedicated to the subject if you wanna search it on yt. OP is correct. As for whether good or bad, it depends on what viewpoint we're talking about.
@@angealsbustersword2 "Immensely tipped" is an understatement. Drow are a matriarchy where the highest station men are allowed is existence. They are routinely used as sacrifices to Lolthe like they were candy.
He doesn’t care about Lolthian Drow customs anymore. He sided with the Absolute and left the matriarchy. She should at least try and he would probably laugh at her.
@@Kanikanihia He was abducted and much like Minthara, only turned his back on Lolth due to the influence of the Elder Brain (crowned). You can actually have him turn his back on the Absolute as a Lolth-Sworn Drow. You can remind him of his original Goddess and he will accept (after a passed check) that the Absolute is a fraud.
@@kibuki91 indeed, but if you do this he will be killed once he returns to his tribe. It’s why it would be a good idea for him to be recruitable, though he’s too similar to Minthara so it would be redundant. At this very moment though he isn’t under the Lolth dominion, hence why he behaves the way he does and tbf for a male Drow, the Absolute is probably an improvement, considering how they’re treated in the matriarchy.
@@Kanikanihia She wouldn’t say anything because Minthara isn’t supposed to be able to be in this cutscene. This is either a bug or a mod, there’s no “legitimate” way to bring Minthara anywhere before the shadowfell.
I killed the Dwarfs before getting him out, but I let him go thinking he would do something helpful in Shar's Gauntlet (where I would then kill him for the Mushroom quest). That choice didn't work out well with Balthazar.
I believe they patched it so she will just leave your party if you go back into Act 1, mumbling something about wanting to study tactics to beat General Thorm. This is what happened to me.
@@korakys Leave your party as in leave your camp? Or just who you bring out to explore? I was gonna rush to recruit Minthara but it seems she doesn’t really interact with Act 1 stuff
Tbh Nere wasn't exactly big even in act 1. Some dude stuck in the cave-in because rebel gnomes. With good part of local population plotting against him.
Yeah you go from some drow mage with a worm in his eye in act 1 to fighting a multidimensional level giant brain with a army of of 4th dimensional octopi and essentially killing 3 gods in act 3
Most of the villains never seemed big. Aside from Katheric, the other two were introduced so late into the mix (with very little context) that I never felt any thing after I was done with them. They just felt like checkpoints. Compared to Divinity 2 where I hated the guts out of Dallis. Hated then began to pity Alexander. And then the big plot twist at the end actually caught me by complete surprise and it made sense since the reveal was hinted at several times throughout the game. And the voidwoken were always a looming threat. Ah well...still a great game though.
@@proverbialking3452orin especially was a big disappointment, she has the best build up scenes for the lamest fight in the game. She’s hyped up as a skin changing assassin but when you fight her she just instantly turns into the slayer and becomes a mindless brute that dies in 3 turns.
It's a funny prospect but it would never work out if you know your drow lore. Drow are egotistical, ambitious and independant to a fault. They would never cooperate with other drow because of how their competitive society works.
@@HDNoName because you can't bring Minthara to Nere. Minthara does not become companion until you're basically done with Act 2, and you can't bring her to the Act 1 areas.
After siding with Minthara and kill the druids, you can go through mountain pass and then safe/recruit her in moon towers. After you kill Ketheric you can visit Nere with Minthara as companion without cosmetic Mods. Minthara will not go if Ketheric Thorm is alive,this has been fixed with last patch
what do you mean? So now you can travel with Minthara back to 1 act locations or you cant? I wanted to recruit her and then go and explore underdark with her in act 1? Is this possible or not as some say that she refuses and stays in the camp if you want go to act 1 locations including underdark
@@GregorMar Yes just explore it, even if you return later there would be nothing as cut scene with Minthara. I killed Balthazar but Nere was not his minion, so the game knows he is still alive somewhere in the undermark.
Well that was anti climactic. Wonder if this is fixed now for him to have a proper reaction not only to realize he's talking TO Minthara but that a male Drow would be ground to paste after castration by a rusty spoon to dare speak to a female in such a way.
in patch 3 theres a line that say "Minthara will now join combat correctly after being recruited to camp" and also others line about nere + minthara. Maybe is changed?
Minthara refuses to go back to any Act 1 map after you free her, this is either a mod (there is one that let's you have her as a companion regardless of story) or a bug. Quite the deceiving video.
in patch 3 theres a line that say "Minthara will now join combat correctly after being recruited to camp" and also others line about nere + minthara. Maybe is changed?
The way Minthara is designed at least after last patch that you can't go with her to Act1(Mountain pass, Grimforge) , nor you can walk around with her round Moonrise towers, o essentially it's a partial Act2 and Act3 character, it's kind of boring you can't recruit her in act one convincing to hang around with you from the begining...
So If I decide to run on the grove before I will go tho the underdark and will go to moonrise towers in order to recruit Minthara I will not be able to go back to the Underdark to explore it with Minthara?
in patch 3 theres a line that say "Minthara will now join combat correctly after being recruited to camp" and also others line about nere + minthara. Maybe is changed?
Sorry but all Nere can is look hot wile he has ash on his face and kills people half his size. I like him tho because of that. He is so laughable. He fucks everything up, and still kills the last remaning hands that could help him (thinking like the chaotic evil he is they could serve as his shield even) and he still throws it all away so willingly giving in to his anger. And he does not see that not even the Absolute wants him in the end. I pity him for his stupidity, but praise him for the entertainment he brought me.
Honestly I feel like he should’ve been a companion. Seemed like he was propped up to be one with how he was talking about sharing victory and seeing you again
He is stupid, sure. But he has amazing stats, and is a powerful spellcaster. Bc we can convince him to leave the cult, I also feel he should be a companion.
Either Nere or someone else should have been the second evil companion, after Minthara. You side with the druids, you get Wyll, Karlach and Halsin; you pick Goblins, you only get Minthara and just lose those 3.....a bit steep if you ask me
This guy was dead for me. I partially blew up the wall and went to find more explosives, came back and he was just dead. Not that I minded. Easy free loot.
Because of betrayal. If you fight against Nere and all duergars in the same battle and you want to save the deep gnomes, that is harder than any part of the goblin camp.
The male drow that you unfreeze are much more law accurate. I played as a female drow and could basically abuse them while they just apologised and called me mistress 😂
Yea, I think I was Shapeshifted (with the mask) as a female Drow and he was still an ass, might have to try it again on another character just to be sure but if so, Larian missed that particular dialogue
I mean this particular scenario is literally impossible in the base game without modding because Minthara refuses to leave the shadow-lands until you deal with Ketheric, at which point you'll be going to Act 3. So there isnt meant to be dialogue here. If youre asking if theres new dialogue in general, I've heard from others that a lot of her stuff still feels bugged or missing after the hotfix, even in the parts of the game where theres supposed to be more dialogue (toward the end of act 2 and during act 3).
@@walrus9999 yeah, bugged or just not present. I think what people want is just not in the game tbh. So you can’t go back to act 1 after you recruit her? I thought I remember fast travelling to the goblin camp with her, but I can’t remember.
People being disappointed must be reminded that there’s no way to bring Minthara here before Act 2 so this must be a mod or bug You think the devs would miss an opportunity for her to tear Nere to shreds with dialogue if that is how he talks to her? XD
Long comment from a Drow lore fanboy: I have to shake my head at all the people who think a male Drow like Nere would 100% always bow the head to a female Drow, and claim that the interaction in this video is not lore-accurate. The characters aren't currently standing in Menzoberranzan (there are no other Drow present to enforce Lolth doctrine). Some of Nere's possible dialogue heavily implies he joined up with the Absolute to escape subjugation under Lolth, and considering they aren't standing in a place with temple guards ready to enforce male subjugation, it makes sense that he would exert autonomy here. Besides, he might have been raised Vhaeraunite, in which case: rather than bow and grovel, he'd instead be very likely to stab a Lolth priestess in the face during this situation. The brutal matriarchy of the church of Lolth is a major aspect of Drow lore, but it is by far not the ONLY defining factor as to Drow interact with one another.
After you raid the grove Minthara tells you to go to Moonrise Towers. You can go there through the mountain pass, do a couple of things to recruit her and return to act 1. Unfortunately, after one of the patches, Minthara refuses to go back with you and stays in the camp, so you can only use her in the Shadow-Cursed Lands.
in patch 3 theres a line that say "Minthara will now join combat correctly after being recruited to camp" and also others line about nere + minthara. Maybe is changed?@@SereglothIV
A male Drow would never get away with giving a female Drow commands like that.
Is that meant to be good or bad thing?
@@coops1992 Neither really. Drow society is a Matriarchal one. So males wouldn't dare give orders like that to a female. They'd be killed on the spot. When speaking to Minthara, she clearly still carries the weight of her authority from when she lived in the drow city Menzoberanzzan . Nere on the other hand is loving his new found authority lol
I played as a female drow and was surprised there were no fem drow-exclusive options to tell Nere to know his place and stfu. You could bully Ghourm into giving you all his loot if you play as a female drow so idk why they didn't do the same for Nere.
@coops1992 Drow (specifically lolth-sworn) society is immensely tipped in favor of females. There's entire sections of lore dedicated to the subject if you wanna search it on yt. OP is correct. As for whether good or bad, it depends on what viewpoint we're talking about.
@@angealsbustersword2 "Immensely tipped" is an understatement. Drow are a matriarchy where the highest station men are allowed is existence. They are routinely used as sacrifices to Lolthe like they were candy.
Lore accurate dialogue would have seen Minthara putting Nere in his place
He doesn’t care about Lolthian Drow customs anymore. He sided with the Absolute and left the matriarchy.
She should at least try and he would probably laugh at her.
@@Kanikanihia He was abducted and much like Minthara, only turned his back on Lolth due to the influence of the Elder Brain (crowned). You can actually have him turn his back on the Absolute as a Lolth-Sworn Drow. You can remind him of his original Goddess and he will accept (after a passed check) that the Absolute is a fraud.
@@kibuki91 indeed, but if you do this he will be killed once he returns to his tribe. It’s why it would be a good idea for him to be recruitable, though he’s too similar to Minthara so it would be redundant.
At this very moment though he isn’t under the Lolth dominion, hence why he behaves the way he does and tbf for a male Drow, the Absolute is probably an improvement, considering how they’re treated in the matriarchy.
@@Kanikanihia
She wouldn’t say anything because Minthara isn’t supposed to be able to be in this cutscene. This is either a bug or a mod, there’s no “legitimate” way to bring Minthara anywhere before the shadowfell.
@@josephmother6822act 1 location dont get locked until u free/kill nightsong
... and that, boys and girls, is why in my play-throughs, this guy's head will always end up as a decoration in the mushroom king's reception room.
yeap
Noo he's hot, I always try to save him. Yall save minthara but hate on cute guy
@@schabowy6149I speak to you now as a man who swings borh ways. Minthara is hotter than the narcissistic edge boi.
I killed the Dwarfs before getting him out, but I let him go thinking he would do something helpful in Shar's Gauntlet (where I would then kill him for the Mushroom quest). That choice didn't work out well with Balthazar.
@@stephenjames2159As a woman that swings only one way(straight), I heartily agree.
So, nothing. Nothing happens for bringing Minthara to Nere.
Because you aren't supposed to even be able to bring her here, I don't think you can recruit her before act 2.
I believe they patched it so she will just leave your party if you go back into Act 1, mumbling something about wanting to study tactics to beat General Thorm. This is what happened to me.
Yep, happened yesterday for me!
@@korakys Leave your party as in leave your camp? Or just who you bring out to explore? I was gonna rush to recruit Minthara but it seems she doesn’t really interact with Act 1 stuff
@@svenxybauer just cast silence in her and she cant ask to keep in camp😅
Man, both Nere and Minthara look so small in the grand picture after just finishing act 2.
Tbh Nere wasn't exactly big even in act 1.
Some dude stuck in the cave-in because rebel gnomes.
With good part of local population plotting against him.
Yeah you go from some drow mage with a worm in his eye in act 1 to fighting a multidimensional level giant brain with a army of of 4th dimensional octopi and essentially killing 3 gods in act 3
Most of the villains never seemed big. Aside from Katheric, the other two were introduced so late into the mix (with very little context) that I never felt any thing after I was done with them. They just felt like checkpoints.
Compared to Divinity 2 where I hated the guts out of Dallis. Hated then began to pity Alexander. And then the big plot twist at the end actually caught me by complete surprise and it made sense since the reveal was hinted at several times throughout the game. And the voidwoken were always a looming threat.
Ah well...still a great game though.
@@proverbialking3452orin especially was a big disappointment, she has the best build up scenes for the lamest fight in the game. She’s hyped up as a skin changing assassin but when you fight her she just instantly turns into the slayer and becomes a mindless brute that dies in 3 turns.
@ce5122 she's really only special for durge players really
I like to imagine Nere, minthara, z'rell and balthasar were their own batshit crazy evil adventuring party until fate got the best of them.
It's a funny prospect but it would never work out if you know your drow lore. Drow are egotistical, ambitious and independant to a fault. They would never cooperate with other drow because of how their competitive society works.
Imagine a Drow male actually speaking to a Baenre like this - she’d dismember him, feed his limbs to spiders, and then poison the remaining witnesses
Lol cope harder, she wouldn’t do a thing. Nere was way more powerful than she was and he doesn’t give a shit about the drow culture
He talkes about Minthara to Minthara as she listens disapprovingly
There is no way on God’s green earth that Nere could ever talk to Minthara, a noble female drow, like this.
Yes he would, he’s above her power and status wise. He doesn’t care about the matriarchy so what’s stopping him
So nothing special happens? :0
Well now we know!
Well I almost sure you can't bring her normally
This is not intended what so ever. Therefor there are no voice lines or anything of the sort. Makes sense.
Which is weird as Larian accounted for the opposite, if you free Nere before meeting Minthara she has dialogue specifically mentioning him
@nobodynothing282Most likely won't have any effect
Why is it not intended?
@@HDNoName because you can't bring Minthara to Nere. Minthara does not become companion until you're basically done with Act 2, and you can't bring her to the Act 1 areas.
@@Fucisko thank you mate for the explanation.
Nere is a perfect creepy Drow guy, but my favorite creep is still Balthazar, he just channels King Diamond so wonderfully.
King Diamond?? From Sailor Moon?!
Sweet! I'll start fangirling now!!!
Bro YES. I IMMEDIATELY thought King Diamond/Mercyful Fate when Balthazar was introduced
After siding with Minthara and kill the druids, you can go through mountain pass and then safe/recruit her in moon towers. After you kill Ketheric you can visit Nere with Minthara as companion without cosmetic Mods. Minthara will not go if Ketheric Thorm is alive,this has been fixed with last patch
what do you mean? So now you can travel with Minthara back to 1 act locations or you cant? I wanted to recruit her and then go and explore underdark with her in act 1? Is this possible or not as some say that she refuses and stays in the camp if you want go to act 1 locations including underdark
@@GregorMar I still did not kill Ketheric . Now when I try go back she says she won't go back until he is dead.
@@dododimitrov9657 Thanks for hat so there is no point to wait for Minthara to explore the undermark with her.
@@GregorMar Yes just explore it, even if you return later there would be nothing as cut scene with Minthara. I killed Balthazar but Nere was not his minion, so the game knows he is still alive somewhere in the undermark.
Are you sure Nere will be still alive after kill Ketheric? I found him dead in Grymforge
the way she watches nere stroll up at 0:04 is hilarious to me
Well that was anti climactic. Wonder if this is fixed now for him to have a proper reaction not only to realize he's talking TO Minthara but that a male Drow would be ground to paste after castration by a rusty spoon to dare speak to a female in such a way.
in patch 3 theres a line that say "Minthara will now join combat correctly after being recruited to camp" and also others line about nere + minthara. Maybe is changed?
Minthara refuses to go back to any Act 1 map after you free her, this is either a mod (there is one that let's you have her as a companion regardless of story) or a bug. Quite the deceiving video.
Just from a prior patch rather
@@playrasputin3457 The video was posted 3 days after Update 2, I tried myself during that time frame, she already refused back then.
@@SaretzOh okay my bad
@@playrasputin3457 No worries ^^
in patch 3 theres a line that say "Minthara will now join combat correctly after being recruited to camp" and also others line about nere + minthara. Maybe is changed?
The way Minthara is designed at least after last patch that you can't go with her to Act1(Mountain pass, Grimforge) , nor you can walk around with her round Moonrise towers, o essentially it's a partial Act2 and Act3 character, it's kind of boring you can't recruit her in act one convincing to hang around with you from the begining...
So If I decide to run on the grove before I will go tho the underdark and will go to moonrise towers in order to recruit Minthara I will not be able to go back to the Underdark to explore it with Minthara?
@@GregorMar No, if you try to go with her to act1 location, she says that she'll stay at camp
@@Phantomavk thanks for that. I want to get Minthara and travel with her to underdark but this will be pointless if she refuses...
in patch 3 theres a line that say "Minthara will now join combat correctly after being recruited to camp" and also others line about nere + minthara. Maybe is changed?
@@bondric is there someone who can check if she travels to locations in Act 1?
That last minute is so unfortunate, immersion shattering even 😂
Nere is the edge Lord drow player in every dnd campaign. He’ll always derail every plan just for the sake of being a bit of a prick
Nere is definitely the third son
Sorry but all Nere can is look hot wile he has ash on his face and kills people half his size. I like him tho because of that. He is so laughable. He fucks everything up, and still kills the last remaning hands that could help him (thinking like the chaotic evil he is they could serve as his shield even) and he still throws it all away so willingly giving in to his anger. And he does not see that not even the Absolute wants him in the end. I pity him for his stupidity, but praise him for the entertainment he brought me.
I just cut his head off because a mushroom asked me too
@@kevo300I cut his head off because he's an ass.
Honestly I feel like he should’ve been a companion. Seemed like he was propped up to be one with how he was talking about sharing victory and seeing you again
could’ve been a wonderful companion you could recruit in act 2 like Minthara if you kept her alive or got the mod that lets you get her and halsin
He is stupid, sure. But he has amazing stats, and is a powerful spellcaster. Bc we can convince him to leave the cult, I also feel he should be a companion.
Looks like there is no special dialogs for this occasion. Minthara is not recognized and provides no extra lines. So basically, boring outcome.
a full drow party must be awsome
You're not meant to bring Minthara/Halsin back to act 1. Of course nothing will happen.
the vader choke! classic!
Pity you can’t recruit Nere. Seems like he was all set up to be a companion.
Him and kar’niss tbh. I really just wanted a party of evil drow
Either Nere or someone else should have been the second evil companion, after Minthara. You side with the druids, you get Wyll, Karlach and Halsin; you pick Goblins, you only get Minthara and just lose those 3.....a bit steep if you ask me
This dude would not be speaking to a female Drow that way. Especially from House Baenre. True Souls and Absolute be damned.
This guy was dead for me. I partially blew up the wall and went to find more explosives, came back and he was just dead. Not that I minded. Easy free loot.
maybe if you bring her as a companion and you do the dialogue as tav?
Nope nothing happened unfortunately
@@kaynnoir damm, sad, thanks for the info tho
it look more like your decision than minthara in this video
Minthara also seemed confused. Talking about herself in 3rd person :D
Nere killed Thrinn for being a beardless female dwarf
In the Early accses Neer aspe our character about Minthara,when you have some dialouge
Nere solely exists to either be decapitated by the player or turned into a zombie by Balthazar.
I like how this is one of the big baddies in act 1 but the goblin camp felt way more challenging than all of him and his goonies.
Because of betrayal. If you fight against Nere and all duergars in the same battle and you want to save the deep gnomes, that is harder than any part of the goblin camp.
Nah, you can get some of the duergar to help you and then pass a dialogue check to save the deep gnomes.@@cheradine
You missed my point. Read it again.
@@shadowyking123
The chatacters don't say anything when you're controlling them. Should have talked to Nere as Tav with Minthara in the party.
It boggles my mind that they didnt consider writing lines for the 0.8 percent chance a player would brung minthara to specifically talk to nere xD
The male drow that you unfreeze are much more law accurate. I played as a female drow and could basically abuse them while they just apologised and called me mistress 😂
Short answer is NOTHING
HOW? Minthara refused to go into the Underdark with me on my playthrough.
1:15 she did everything right, she did nothing wrong
Nere is one SOB I enjoy killing every time.
I was hoping Minthara would channel her inner Matron Mother and command the lowly male! LMAO
how do you get Minthara to the UD? She won't follow me backwards.
Yea, I think I was Shapeshifted (with the mask) as a female Drow and he was still an ass, might have to try it again on another character just to be sure but if so, Larian missed that particular dialogue
Is this pre or post hotfix 5? is this still possible after the patch? and with the latest hotfix for minthy are there new lines of dialogue?
I mean this particular scenario is literally impossible in the base game without modding because Minthara refuses to leave the shadow-lands until you deal with Ketheric, at which point you'll be going to Act 3. So there isnt meant to be dialogue here. If youre asking if theres new dialogue in general, I've heard from others that a lot of her stuff still feels bugged or missing after the hotfix, even in the parts of the game where theres supposed to be more dialogue (toward the end of act 2 and during act 3).
@@walrus9999 yeah, bugged or just not present. I think what people want is just not in the game tbh. So you can’t go back to act 1 after you recruit her? I thought I remember fast travelling to the goblin camp with her, but I can’t remember.
People being disappointed must be reminded that there’s no way to bring Minthara here before Act 2 so this must be a mod or bug
You think the devs would miss an opportunity for her to tear Nere to shreds with dialogue if that is how he talks to her? XD
OH GAWD she's standing right behind me...Isn't she!?....NO NERE...I am standing right in front of YOU!!!!! HAHAHAHAH (>.
Absolutely nothing seems to be the answer
He’s acting the same like minthara isn’t even there
Oh, this seems bugged. Maybe they fixed it?
Long comment from a Drow lore fanboy: I have to shake my head at all the people who think a male Drow like Nere would 100% always bow the head to a female Drow, and claim that the interaction in this video is not lore-accurate. The characters aren't currently standing in Menzoberranzan (there are no other Drow present to enforce Lolth doctrine). Some of Nere's possible dialogue heavily implies he joined up with the Absolute to escape subjugation under Lolth, and considering they aren't standing in a place with temple guards ready to enforce male subjugation, it makes sense that he would exert autonomy here.
Besides, he might have been raised Vhaeraunite, in which case: rather than bow and grovel, he'd instead be very likely to stab a Lolth priestess in the face during this situation. The brutal matriarchy of the church of Lolth is a major aspect of Drow lore, but it is by far not the ONLY defining factor as to Drow interact with one another.
Minthara paladin line lol
LMAO He went all Darth Vader on their ass!
Minthara refused to go back to Act 1 region, saying she'll wait in the camp. How did you make her leave Shadowlands??
Skinwalker moment
How is this even possible?? Do you have to skip to act 2 without completing the Grymforge??
I don’t think this is possible in vanilla since Minthara refuses to go back to any act 1 areas (including Underdark and Crèche).
How do you add her to your party before act 2? I killed the grove with her.
I LOVE NERE
If i travel with minthara to act 1 she refuses, how do you did that?
Pause… how tf can u bring her here? Everytime I try she says she won’t do it unless the boss is dead
How do you even get Minthara into the Underdark?
Wait you can go back to Grym after moonrise???
How do you recruit Minthara before going to act 2?
This needs to e patched. She is a Female and she is already worked for Ketheric Thorn so there should be extra dialoged options.
How is this possible? Mod or ?
No wonder this video had so many dislikes.
How on earth did you get her to Underdark?
So.... Nothing?
lol, easiest boss battle in the game
Minthara can't go in act1 map so this is a stupid mod..
How can make minthara party memeber before act 2?
After you raid the grove Minthara tells you to go to Moonrise Towers. You can go there through the mountain pass, do a couple of things to recruit her and return to act 1. Unfortunately, after one of the patches, Minthara refuses to go back with you and stays in the camp, so you can only use her in the Shadow-Cursed Lands.
Mods
in patch 3 theres a line that say "Minthara will now join combat correctly after being recruited to camp" and also others line about nere + minthara. Maybe is changed?@@SereglothIV
You can’t actually bring her to Neer.
how did you bring her to nere ? wasnt she only recutable in ACT2 ? so you go to act2 first, then come back ?