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Fighter's basic. That's why I play a Ghostlance build instead. Either that, or an Inquisitive Rogue who is also a Master of Battling, with his Shilellagh from Magic Initiate, and his insightful maneuvers and tactics. Or an Eldritch half-caster-of-sorts-who-just-so-happens-to-have-a-legal-right-to-Knightood. Or a long-lost ronin warrior who formerly served a great Shogun, and- wait, these all involve Fighter subclasses. F#ck.
He shouldve returned with "wow 9 attacks sound impressive, but casters yeet 4 meteors, 8 if they get 2 fighter levels, average 280 damage to not just one, not 2, but all in the field. 🤭" "WE USE YOUR FEATS BETTER THAN YOU DO!"
Fighters ain't basic, it's just that everything that could give the class it's own flavor (fighting without weapons, being holy, being sneaky, etc) is represented by a different class (monk, paladin, rogue, etc).
@@timotheebrasseur6188 Also the purposefully added extra ability scores, purposefully made for your fighter to get more feats than other classes and still afford to have decent stats. I once mentioned this to a guy and he played it off like “except every class can get a feat” Yeah, except Fighter can AFFORD to make crazy choices whereas most classes have to make more limited choices.
Mate, the unarmed fighting style does 1D6+STR, or 1D8+STR if you aren't holding a weapon or a shield. The martial arts feature of monks only let them deal 1D4+DEX damage. Furthermore, fighters can attack way more times than monks ever could.
Fighters got endurance. I once held a dueling tournament in-game, with only a short rest between each fight. The spellcasters ran out of spell slots immediately, but the fighter could Just. Keep. Going.
I once used a Spore Druid with high Con in a magic tournament. 3 fights, no rest between them. The only spell I casted was a lvl 3 Cure Wounds, the rest I just intimidaded by tanking a whole as Ice Storm with my spores temp hp. Fun times
Exactly. This is the part people often forget about class roles. Some classes can do some pretty cool stuff, but it's limited-use. Whereas "endurance" classes are pretty much as good by the 10th encounter as they were in the 1st. The main issue is that most DMs don't push parties to that limit very often before allowing them to rest and get all their cool abilities back, so they snuff at the fighter since they never get to really see him shine.
@@falsnamae3511 Psh.... You never see a fighter using a 1d8+3 sword attack. You'll see one of three things: 2d6+13, 1d8+5, or 1d10+3+1d4+3. Greatsword/Maul with GWM One handed weapon with Dueling fighting style for extra damage or Polearm Master with the bonus action attack You could also see dual wielding fighters, spellcasting fighters with useful tricks, or archer fighters, all of which also outpace the cantrip damage And to top it all off... That 2d12 cantrip is less likely to actually hit once, then at least one of the Fighter's two attacks at that level. Big damage numbers is nice and all, but consistancy is better, and the more attacks you're making, the more *consistantly* you will hit.
Fighters to me are a lot like Clerics. They’re “glue” classes. People don’t always want to play them, especially because of their associated stereotypes, but they are very powerful and it’s always beneficial to have one in the party to make sure your spellcasters don’t get trashed.
I agree they are super useful both fighters and clerics. I also feel ultiy mages are good as well that most people look down on till they need fly to fight a dragon that is lol
In my party that was filled to bursting with arcane casters and range specialists, I was the party tank. I, the heal and fire domain cleric of Saernrae, held the line to protect my squishy teammates. When the party was being made, we originally had a barbarian and an offensive oriented cleric. But they had to bow out because life forced them. After they initially stopped coming, it took me a couple of sessions for me to realize that I was the party tank. Edit: For clarity, this was Pathfinder. Hence the two domains.
People confuse "basic" with "easy to learn". Their simplicity is their strength, and once you start adding items, feats, and abilities you have a plethora of tactics they can use.
1st level : Color Spray. Nothing the fighter can do compares. 3rd level : Glitterdust. Nothing the fighter can do compares. 5th level : Haste. Nothing the fighter can do compares. 7th level : Black Tentacles. Nothing the fighter can do compares. 9th level : Teleport. Nothing the fighter can do compares. 11th level : Planar Binding. Nothing the fighter can do compares. 13th level : Plane Shift. Nothing the fighter can do compares. 15th level : Irresistible Dance. Nothing the fighter can do compares. 17th level : Shapechange. Nothing the fighter can do compares.
@@mrosskne you really say "can't come up with something Fighter can do"? When this very video when commented to is all about fraction of what fighter can do. Let me name you something Fighter can do, they can increase critical attack chance up to threefold than normal crit chance.
and basic. when people think fantasy adventurer they usually go "he fights good with X weapon". or they think guy with spell book. aka wizard. which is the basic of the spellcasters.
Not really, yeah you CAN make a straight forward and basic fighter but depending on the race, maneuver, subclass or even weapon you end up picking, it ends up being just as if not more complex than any other class. Depending on the build you have spells to keep track of just like a casters, superiority dice kinda like bardic inspiration, a slew of different reactions you can take or bonus damage you can do that you need to remember, etc
IMO the Barbarian is the true basic class. The fact that you have to spec STR, CON and DEX pretty well in order to be effective means all your non-physical stats are going to be your dump stats, which really hampers you outside of combat. At least as a fighter you can choose to short STR or DEX in favor of something else. Sure it's not combat optimal but it wouldn't cripple your character either. It's a lot harder to make a Barbarian anything other than a beatstick/meatshield
@@RiveroftheWither Race I think shouldn't count for this, since any class can be any race, so the complexity can be added to everyone. Maneuvers are a subclass specific option, as for action options you can... bonk, grapple, shove. Those are the only ones fighers are any better at than a wizard. Sure your subclass might let you do something else, but it also might not. The fact that battlemaster isn't base is an absolute sin
@@danieldancza6171 Race does count precisely because it effects everyone, certain races like humans with a bonus feat can have a big impact on the complexity of the class, such as making an Eldritch Knight but grabbing the feat that gives some Battle Master perks, making a versatile and effective spell sword character IF you choose the right spells and maneuvers . You also have to take a long list of battle stances that I forgot to mention. Regardless, none of what you said detracts from my point or make fighter sound "noob friendly". As Duke said, anyone that claims fighter is basic or easy has probably never gone past level 2 with one as a multi-class. The "basic" combo of human fighter can literally be made into one of the best combat characters if you actually know what you're doing, which a new player would struggle with achieving. Dubbing fighter as the "noob class" and not giving it the time of day past getting Second Wind and Action Surge is precisely what causes "basic fighters" to be made. You've never bothered learning all the cool things you can do with them.
I remember I played a Unarmed Fighter Battle Master with Tavern Brawler and Grappler once, it was a LOT of fun Suplexing thralls and RKOing mindflayers. It taught me that Monks aren't the only class that can master the art of fisticuffs
“You got a natural 20 to hit me? Damn, your friend over there is really gonna be feeling that in the morning.” Seriously, I’m sure the Cloud Giant’s Rune is way less useful than I think it is, but it just sounds so fun to use.
People say that a human fighter is the most basic of the basics decision BUT by doing that they actually need to concentrate into something that some players actually forget. PERSONALITY
Honestly, this whole "fighter is basic" and "humans are basic" end up creating some sort of paradox (not sure if that is the right word, but whatever) where suddenly, fighters and humans are interesting because no one plays as them. While on the other hand, wizards, rogues, barbarians, elfs, dwarves, drows, gnomes, all start to feel very basic, because everyone plays as them. When everyone uses what's special, suddenly, it isn't special anymore. And then, what everyone ignores because its bland, ends up becoming special.
Do not forget that Battle Masters or people who take the feat also get Trip Attack. Which means that after the first attack, if the dice is on your side, you get 8 more attacks with advantage.
Surprisingly, our Dragonborn Echo Fighter and my Drow Moon Druid get along very well. When he was low on HP in a fight once, my druid turned into a giant constrictor snake, surrounded and protected him this way. The Fighter was one of the few people who were ok with my druid joining the Party. They respect each other.
@@menementhemighty4322 glad you mentioned that cuz you aren’t actually assuming there form. Your possesing it, which is different. A spell that would let you assume the form would be something like polymorph, true polymorph, mass polymorph and shapechange
@@Spiceodog How many *humanoid* enemies are you fighting with legendary actions? Cause magic jar says you can only possess other humanoids, which takes most monsters out of the actual running.
Only impressive if your group lasts to be able to do it. By time they get their 3rd attack most groups are either done or will soon finish the campaign. Action Surge is still impressive though. Hopefully it remains a "low hanging fruit" in 6th Ed. Not holding my breath though.
@@peterwhitcomb8315 Not true. I'm a DM and my group is around level 20. I just have them fight huge armies at this point. Most of those armies get obliterated within the first few minutes of combat.
@@jacobrispoli4351 1) You are running an a-typical campaign if you are above level 16. Gratz to you and your players. Sometimes I wish campaigns just started at those levels. Hmmm... There is an idea 😳 2) Are you allowing the players to obliterate your armies? I assume you are using some hyperbole there and the encounters are more challenging than you are letting on.
@@peterwhitcomb8315 Yeah we started high. Kinda. It's a group of 6 players roughly each day we play, but if everyone is there it could be up to 8-10 players all around level 20, sooo. Also my dad is a cleric sorcerer.
I legitimately had to ask my DM about Dragonborn puberty today, due to highly unusual circumstances... My 3-year-old Grung got forcefully and permanently transformed into a Dragonborn, the problem is that a Grung is fully mature by 3, but a Dragonborn is equitable to a 10-year-old human...
Yeah, my fully-grown 12 year old Shifter druid got age regressed by 13 years, to the minimum 1 year old. Baby screamed into NPC's ear until his age was restored.
1st level : Color Spray. Nothing the fighter can do compares. 3rd level : Glitterdust. Nothing the fighter can do compares. 5th level : Haste. Nothing the fighter can do compares. 7th level : Black Tentacles. Nothing the fighter can do compares. 9th level : Teleport. Nothing the fighter can do compares. 11th level : Planar Binding. Nothing the fighter can do compares. 13th level : Plane Shift. Nothing the fighter can do compares. 15th level : Irresistible Dance. Nothing the fighter can do compares. 17th level : Shapechange. Nothing the fighter can do compares.
@@mrosskne yes yes you don't like fun this is a known factor by now, but if this is a game you would like to play let us play. take a moderate level of damage? Nothing a Spellcaster can do can compare not TPK your own party because you couldn't be bothered to check your spell shape? Nothing a Spellcaster can do can compare Be Able to do anything at the lower levels without taking a short rest every 5 minutes? Nothing a Spellcaster can do can compare Not being so ridiculously diluted to the point of being less a recognized class and more a collection of memes? Nothing a Wizard can do can compare
@@foxtrot-gamesandwit4475 Lmao, you actually wrote "take damage" as if it's some kind of ability that anyone would want to have. If you let the enemy attack you in the first place, you've already lost.
"How’s only casting one spell a round treating you?” Me who "took two levels in fighter got action surge and then focused on an entirely different class"
I use Tensers transformation and dual wield light crossbows or revolvers my wizard has managed to create. Tensers never says it only adds 2d12 Force Damage to melee attacks, just weapon attacks. Backup of my wizard is literally just sword and pistol dual wield XD
@@TheLikenessOfNormal With 14, 14, 14, 10, 10, 10 Point Buy. My rolls are average. Then add +1 to both Str for 15 and Dex for 15 from Variant Human. Pick up the Amulet of Vigor for 19 Con and the Belt of Strength for 16 Str. In total... 19, 15, 15, 10, 10, 10... Is my Stat Block. As the Eldritch Knight, my Spells are not for DPR. I'll leave that to the Wizard. Utility, Support, Mobility, and Illusion Spells are much better for the Eldritch Knight, outside of scaling Cantrips like Booming Blade and Green Flame Blade. ... Until the campaign ends at lv10 to lv15...
@@absolstoryoffiction6615 EK requires an intelligence score of 13 to take it as a sublcass, same requirement to multiclass into wizard. So I dunno how you were casting spells at all with 10 INT
It's extremely depressing that something as dull as doing a lot of damage is a memorable moment for you. You deserve better experiences from your games, and it is a failure of DnD that it couldn't deliver.
@@mrosskne It wasn't the damage itself that was memorable. It was the DM's reaction to how many attacks I did. And while admittedly it wasn't the pinnacle of memorable D&D highlights, it's still a fun memory.
The character sheet tells you what you can do in combat. For everything else, there's roleplay. Once you stop thinking of your character as a token on a board (which, to be fair, is what they are in combat) and start thinking of them as a character, Fighters don't have to be basic anymore.
This. Half of my many characters are Fighters, and none of them feel "basic" because A). I put effort into giving them good RP and B). _man_ Fighters can pull some cool stuff! Judo-throw someone and take their weapon, throw it into another enemy, reposition the flanked sorcerer and give the rogue another Sneak Attack? In one round? _At level 5?!_ Only Fighter baby.
This is true, but the basic nature of fighter as a combat class encourages more flexibility and creativity in the role play that does happen. Other classes very infrequently have personalities entirely separated from the stereotypes of their role, which itself is usually defined by what they do in combat. A fighter, however, has no such limitation.
@@pistaalkohol That's what I meant. Every class can roleplay, being a wizard doesn't stop you from roleplaying to do stuff, it's just that you can also just...do a thing without having to ask the GM for it.
I've heard that fighters are considered basic because of some old DnD rules, where other classes had some prerequisites to them, but fighters were always available, so they were like fallback option (?)
In the earliest editions of D&D Fighters were just worse Paladin, but Paladins had huge requirements that had to be maintained at all times or you completely lost your access to their class power, where a Fighter you could be with no restrictions. So if a Paladin lost enough charisma, even temporarily, to be below the requirement for Paladin they were no longer a Paladin, but with how Humans worked they could instead dual class (not multi-class, it was a different mechanic entirely) into Fighter and play the same play style, but weaker into fighter. In 5.0 they're not basic at all, but they'll probably never shake that stereotype because D&D community liking change is like saying oil likes water.
@@morgantaylor84 Oil *does* like water, but the water forms cliques and pushes the oil out, because water is a jerk. It would be more like saying water likes oil. Which it doesn't.
Yes, old school rules require stats to be rolled first then you can choose your class. Because rolling high was hard... Most were fighters with 3hp. Death right out the door!
Irgo, Battle Master. Felled a few dragons (well it WAS Hoard of the Dragon Queen/Rise of Tiamat, so...), lost a lover, went - partially - insane and managed to destroy the avatar of Yeenoghu in one beautiful crit. One of the best characters I've ever played.
Fully agree. The time my own Battle Master Fighter managed to disarm a Cloud Giant who was five times her size with Disarming Attack stands out as one of my fondest memories in a game.
1st level : Color Spray. Nothing the fighter can do compares. 3rd level : Glitterdust. Nothing the fighter can do compares. 5th level : Haste. Nothing the fighter can do compares. 7th level : Black Tentacles. Nothing the fighter can do compares. 9th level : Teleport. Nothing the fighter can do compares. 11th level : Planar Binding. Nothing the fighter can do compares. 13th level : Plane Shift. Nothing the fighter can do compares. 15th level : Irresistible Dance. Nothing the fighter can do compares. 17th level : Shapechange. Nothing the fighter can do compares.
One of my first characters was a fighter BECAUSE I wanted to go easy bonk. Had to learn very quickly how to do everything else because my party members were murderhobos who couldn't sold a puzzle meant for 5yo kids, AND she still bonked pretty hard. Oh and she knows a lot of arcane stuff, despite not being a spellcaster, because of her background and is a polyglot. One day my dear Yria will get her rightful time to shine and not be held back by anything but her own morals.
I once was asked to leave a campaign because my character was too strong. He was a Level 4 Human Battle Master Fighter with Crossbow Expert and Sharpshooter.
even IF all fighters did was bonk, they bonk SUPER well. whereas a rogue needs to be flanking or sneaking, a barbarian needs to be raging and meet specific requirements (like either getting hit or hitting something each turn, I'm sure there's more but I haven't had the change to play a barbarian), a fighter can walk up to any baddie, bonk them a lot. and then move on to the next one. they bonk good.
@Paradoxical enigma Think it's just a subclass ability. I remember something in a game where someone lost their rage because they didn't attack or get hit during a round
@@DBfan106 A barbarian bonks respectably well without raging, it is just while raging they are a demon made manifest. Zealot barbarian's essentially become the embodiment of unkillable. High level barbarians can basically force the DM to go "this encounter can threaten the group and the barbarian just laughs....or threatens the barbarian and potentially everyone else dies..."
@@Nempo13 Not really the point. the point is fighters are good WITHOUT needing to rage. sure, so are barbarians, but the rage is where most of their draw is.
I love how he sais that fighters can do more than bonk, and than explains how the fighter can bonk with all weapons and can bonk a lot of times in one turn
Because you have to find what they can do other than bonk. I can tell you you're a Paladin and you instantly know what you can do other than bonk, a Fighter can do way more than bonk, but it's not a set list.
I saw a post of a lvl20 samurai-fighter doing 20 attacks or so before dying. The thing about lvl 20 is that you get insane powers, becoming half-god essentially. So it does totally make sense for fighter to cut something in 0.7 seconds.
Really I’d say it’s also about role-playing. By itself the fighter class doesn’t have any obvious hooks to base an interesting character idea on, so if you don’t get a bit creative you just wind up with generic fighter guy that hit with stick real good. If you take the time to flesh out an interesting concept, then you can avoid being basic and being real strong at what you do. Not that there’s anything wrong with being really straightforward btw. Really friendly towards new players and can speed up game as the new guy doesn’t spend 10 mins figuring which spell they should cast.
I think this goes into the question of interesting. Is having options from a class make a character interesting? Or does less options make it less interesting despite being more powerful. On that regard, is a sorcerer less interesting than a wizard or a cleric, but their meta-magic can arguably make their spells more useful and powerful. But do spells and abilities really make a character interesting or is it how the character is played? I'd argue a terribly made character that is not effective BUT has a good backstory and is played well with a good personality is infinitely more interesting than a well-made character with a lack of personality. My argument is that character interestingness has nothing to do with abilities, only people with bad roleplaying think that, most of us can't roleplay well; tbh we want to play a social game and complete quests and stuff. I'd argue were not playing a role-playing game at that point. Think of who you would rather have at a table, a human fighter whose has a good personality, or a kobold wizard with a lackluster personality. I made no mention of any backstory or anything, we might think kobolds, goblins, or gnomes are "oh so cute, they are so crazy and funny" due to pop-culture, but that is with someone playing them well.
So does human, but my Best characters roleplay-wise has been humans, if your character entire personality is his race or class then the problem is not the character lol
Personally, I like the rune knight subclass combo with a friend wizard. There's just something magical about turning large with runic powers, being enlarged further by the enlarge spell, and at level 3 be a 18-20ft tall iron giant, throwing horses and boulders on people. Also, the fact that they can literally see an enemy land a critical hit and go "Actually, you hit your friend with that crit." No saving throw, no way to counter it. It just.. Happens. That shit is HILARIOUS
If anyone ever tells you a Fighter is basic ... Play an Echo Knight. In the right hands they're the biggest brains on the field who also won't die in one hit like a Wizard. Truly a beast of it's own league.
@@cameronjensen9397 Agreement. Wizards are the only Class that actually can get stronger from reading books, not going out into the world. A level 1 Wizard that goes out into the world would have a most fascinating back story. Because it is very foolish. If I was a level 1 Wizard, and I had to go adventuring, I would get a spell focus and armor up. As DM I let wizards where armor and cast spells with a focus, but the spells can't have somatic properties. By the time they are casting level 3 spells they will have taken the test of the tower, and then it's Robes from there on out. White, Red, or Black. I play DragonLance. I even let players who have a Wizard play as their sidekick while their PC stays back and learns spells.
Something not mentioned here is that the attacks you roll are really where the clashing of weapons has left an opportunity. So technically the fighter is making even more than 9 attacks 6 seconds, the 9 you get to roll are where there is an actual opportunity. Either that or a fighter who action surges while dual wielding can see an opportunity with every strike, but i like to think the former, so have fun with that. :)
That's really what it is. The base class focuses so much on the basic rules of the game (feats/ability scores and attacks) that people write it off as basic. It's a fantastic class for new people and those that want to make builds with lots of feats. The lack of built-in flavor and abilities makes it the most versatile.
@@babashanko5358 I love me a battle master fighter with a few useful spells from the race/feats, hex, darkness, grease, take blindfighting for your fighting style, beautiful.
All of my campaigns are cleric druid wizard parties. Why would we waste a spot on a fighter when the cleric and druid are already superior fighters that also get casting?
Add the Samurai Subclass you can Action surge and Fighting spirit on the same turn. At level 20 that is 8 attacks with advantage for 1 round. I rolled three 20s in that round.
fighter is the perfect class for learning the mechanics of combat. the subclasses give different tastes of other classes, allowing players to get used to things like spells without dying to 1d4 damage.
My Eldritch Knight, the fighter with magic, has been killing it in my current campaign. He recently got Green Flame Blade which is a cantrip melee attack that also deals fire damage and still allows him to attack a third time as a bonus action because he attacked with a melee weapon. And he has 18 AC with 67 HP ... at level 7. I love my bonking, thank you!
Battlemaster (base game)who is an experience soldier knowing all the Tricks , Rune Knight (Tasha) Bugbear with a reach weapon to attack everything in a 5 mile radius, Echoknight (WIldmount) who can be fucking everywhere (his echo can move on its own and he can switch places with it if he want so he could stay at home let the ecoho travel and then just switch at the target) or my current favorit Graftknight (Aetherra) build your own monster Starterpack.
@@TalesStahl My current fighter is an eldritch knight and let me tell you it's much better than it looks, the spells shield and absorb elements make you the best tank and you can get Fey Touched feat to learn Misty Step and Hex, two bonus action spells specifically good for martials that you can now cast as long as you have spell slots (not only once a day). It is so much more synergic that one might think.
One thing I like about warriors is the amount of feats you can get, and that helped me make one of the best builds of my life, because that's how the fiddler of death was born, A warrior with brutal combat builds, and the ability to play music, better than a bard.
The really crazy thing, thanks to how the rules are written, the eldritch knight is the only class that can cast two fireballs in one turn Edit: to address a common response, this is not a claim that fighters are the best class or that multiclassed spellcasters with a 2 level dip into fighters can’t do the same, this is a response to the claim being addressed in the video “fighters are basic. Multiclassing is an optional feature that must have DM approval. Yes, most DMs accept it, but it’s not a guarantee, and some don’t allow it. In those circumstances, the eldritch knight is the only class that can do this. In regards to multiclassing, it’s still a fighter feature giving that unique aspect to the spell caster, which is the point of the video, you can’t call something basic if it’s providing that unique function to your character. And yes, I know spellcasters do more damage at high levels, that’s their appeal. I’m not talking which class does the most damage, and I don’t pick fighters because they do the most damage. I pick them because it’s the class I have the most fun with.
No, there's a rule for that. You can cast only one spell per turn. That rule doesn't count cantrips as spells though, so you could Eldritch Blast 3 times per turn using Quickened Spell and Action Surge, which would amount to 12 attacks per one turn on lvl 20 (8 per turn after spending AS), with every one capable of triggering some blast-associeted invocation. Soo... 12d10+60 DMG and you are blasted away by 120 feet from me, and my range is 600 feet due to Spell Sniper and Eldritch Spear. How's that sword treating ya?
@@malrok5452 not the rule, the rule is “if you use your action to cast a spell, you can use your bonus action to cast a cantrip.” Action surge gives you two actions, so you can use your two actions to cast a spell and your bonus action to cast a cantrip.
@@malrok5452 This is actually a commonly misconcepted rule. If you cast a leveled spell using your action, you cant use your bonus action to do this. Vice versa. But if you get extra actions, like with action surge, you can cast multiple leveled spells in one turn. Action surge is the only way to cast 2 leveled spells
@@malrok5452 you know, for someone who's wrong, you do have an awful lot of confidence. Try rereading the PHB every now and then, if you want to argue with people about its rules on the internet
Basic aint so bad. Yknow what else is basic? The concrete foundation under your house. Its essentially just a big solid rock that does one thing: stop your house from collapsing. Fighter is the same. A consistent, solid rock that does one thing: stops the party from collapsing. He might not be the one to do truly crazy stuff or pull you out of a bad situation, no. He's the one who stops a situation from getting worse again and again
Fighter can actually make 10 attacks using subclasses(either eldritch knight for haste, or Battle master for using riposte by forcing an attack of opportunity from the enemy, it probably works with other subclasses but I don't care about them as much)
Even if they don't, there's still the Samurai. As long as they have advantage from an external source, like say the enemy is prone, a dual wielding samurai can get 10 attacks at level 20. 8 from the 2 actions, bonus action attack, and one more from rapid strike.
As someone whose first D&D character was an Eldritch Knight Fighter, I can confirm that being able to cast magic AND _bOnK_ in the same turn at LEVEL 3-without even using an Action Surge-is indeed mind-blowing (I'll never forget my first Lightning Lure + longsword combo; partly 'cuz it interrupted a villain's monologuing...) Also, we're never gonna get that video on "Dragonborn Puberty" are we?
And that's not even mentioning: Echo Knight: Create a shadow clone to do cool stuff Rune Knight: Passive bonuses from runes, and also grow really big Psi Warrior: Psychic Cavalier: Ride a horse and be really good at defending the party Purple Dragon Knight/Banneret: A support oriented fighter with some cool skill related stuff
I have only played two D&D campaigns to date. I played a wizard for the first campaign that lasted 3 years and took me to level 18. An amazing campaign that ran for 30 sessions. I am now playing a fighter in my second campaign and every time the DM tries to do something against me I blow the mind of the DM because I made sure I had an amazing wisdom save. I often do things in the game that makes it so hard for the DM because the DM expects normal fighter stuff to come from me that does not happen. I love playing a fighter. In other words you can make the fighter as you wish.
With my group of friends we have a joke that goes like these: You want to cast spells but have high hp? Be a caster? No. Be a fighter You want to shoot arrows? Be a ranger? No. Be a fighter You want to attack a lot using your fist? Be a monk? No. Be a fighter. You want to be a fighter? Be a barbarian
Faster bonking does not mean they're less basic... BUT there's something fighter can do with their insane action economy. Grappling + shove + a combination of the two + rune knight fighter + going unarmed + skill expert athletics and huge strenght. By level 11 when a dragon tries to descend to hit you, you can grapple it with a +13 athletics check ( making its speed 0 ), shove it ( making it prone-locked ). What happens if you do not have success? try again with your other two attacks. You can become large, grappling even huge creatures ( two of them ), by level 18 you can grapple gargantuan creatures... and they cannot use legendary resistance to pass the grapple because it's an ability check and not a saving throw. You can almost reliably remove some creatures huge mobility AND if you have someone that can cast silence, you can even lock powerful spellcasters from doing anything at all. No control spell in the game can do the same control a fighter does from level 11 onwards.
The whole reason I love Warlock, tbh, is that it's basically (no pun intended) a magic-fighter. The beauty of both classes is that if you don't know what to do because you are a daydreamer and your mind wandered off somewhere into the ether while someone was peppering the DM with questions then reading their entire list of wizard spells to figure out what to do, when someone finally calls you back to reality you don't have to emulate previous player and take up a ton of time. You can just MAGIC BONK (aka Eldritch Blast) and it is basically never a bad call. Even better is Celestial, because you can top up the health of anyone who's low, too.
Literally my favorite (atm) character to play is a arcane archer fighter with very minor homebrew (changed the amount of shots to 2+pb). He uses guns as his weapons and is played like an old fashioned gunslinger. Without him yhe party would've died about 4 or 5 times now from him being able to get infromt of people and soak up the damage. Fighter is a great class
Nice, I enjoy playing arcane archer as well, but it does seem silly that by default they only get two uses of arcane shot per rest, adding pb to that means a gradual progression and a bit more combat versatility.
2nd or 3rd edition back in the day my buddies father told us how he took down a dragon with daggers using a fighter with dagger focus and magical bracers that produced daggers. When you’re throwing multiple daggers faster than a machine gun… you might be a dangerous individual.
Additionally, the Eldritch Knight, the Fighter subclass that can learn spells, can cast two spells per turn utilizing Action Surge. As such, at lvl 13 with the ability to cast 3rd lvl spells, an Eldritch Knight Fighter can cast the Fireball spell TWICE per turn, making every Wizard die of 1d4 Weeping with Fireball Jealousy damage!
Another cool thing about Fighters is how insanely customizable they are. With all the levels they have where they get either an Ability Score Increase or a Feat, you can make ANY type of character you want. My favorite example of this is the historical figure Julius Caesar. He may have been a Human Fighter, but he pumped his Charisma score every chance he got! Add the Feat 'Skill Expert' and turn your proficiency with Persuasion into EXPERTISE and he could pretty much talk his way out of anything! Pirates kidnap you for ransom? Tell them that you are insulted by how low their price for you was. Befriend them. Tell them you're gonna crucify them later but they take it as a joke! DM: Your soldiers are on strike and they want to retire. What do you do? Caesar: I call them 'citizens'. DM: That's it?! Caesar: Yes. But in a demeaning way, like they've become demoted. DM: *Sighs* It somehow works. It got so bad that the DM had to ambush him with several senators (who were all high level rogues suddenly) AND had him killed by his favorite NPC Brutus! Truly, a crazy life for a 'Basic Human Fighter'. P.S. The French Revolution was a champaign that was derailed by a party of Murder Hobos, and the DM had to bring the Julius Caesar player to clean up the mess. Hopefully his new character, Napoleon, won't get too wild.
Fighters don't have to be basic, it's just that the other classes come with built-in roleplay opportunities, but not the fighter, so you need to come up with them yourself
I played a Tabaxi cavalier fighter with a camel mount in a one shot a couple months ago. Quickly realized that tight spaces are not designed for a large mount so I couldn’t take advantage of the subclass features or Mounted Combatant feat as well as I wanted to but she was still very fun to play.
I have a love-hate relationship with the fighter class. I like the mental image I have when I play one but by far and the most unused mechanics/actions become the fighters playground. Funny thing the grapple, shove, trip, and strike all fall under the "attack action". So with extra attack and action surge you can trip and grapple with your first 2 attacks, action surge to attack with advantage. While on the enemy's turn they have to use their full action you try and break out or stay on the ground and attack with disadvantage. I believe monks can do this too with main action grapple or trip/shove and flurry of blows as a bonus action
If a lvl 20 fighter gets hit with haste and duel wields, they can do 10 attacks. And since they get two uses of action surge(both can’t be used on the same turn), they can do two turns of 10 attacks each. And if you use champion fighter, that means you have a decently high chance of having multiple crits.
Let me introduce you to level 20 champion fighter with a longbow, elven accuracy, sharphooter, piercer and a wizard in the party. ~In my case rolled stats helped since I could also take magic initiate for Hex~
Better off with Samurai at that point. Same chance to crit, but more chance to hit in general, and forget dual wielding since you're using your Bonus action for advantage anyway; instead just use beeg weapon for beeg GWM bonus. Hehehehe.... And yes it's the same number of attacks, just two of them don't have advantage instead. Still a net gain
@@silly118 Yes, it is a waste, because with that spell slot you could have ended the encounter. Now, instead, the fight will likely last several rounds, and in each one, your party members have a chance of being critically hit. Great job.
Using One DnD before the Warrior classes UA is out; A dual wielding samurai can do 22 attacks during one of their turns at level 18, provided they drop below 0 hp after the 11th. 20 of those attacks are with advantage. Haste makes the total 24. This has been my unprompted powerbuild for the day. Check my reply for details.
At 18th level: Bonus action Fighting Spirit (Samurai Subclass) grants advantage on all attacks for that turn, 4 attacks (3 extra attacks at lvl 18 since class capstones are moved), +1 Dual Wield (OneDnD when you make an attack with a one-handed light weapon, you may make an attack with a light weapon in your offhand as part of the attack action), +1 Rapid Strike (Samurai Subclass, forgo advantage on one attack to make another attack as part of that attack action once per turn) Action Surge, 4 attacks, +1 Dual Wield (11 total). Move to take Attack of Opportunity, fall/environmental damage, or target self with one attack > Drop below 0hp - Strength before Death (Samurai Subclass, If you take damage that reduces you to 0 hit points and doesn’t kill you outright, you can use your reaction to delay falling unconscious, and you can immediately take an extra turn, interrupting the current turn.) 2nd turn (interrupts, not ends the 1st turn, meaning legendary actions cannot be used) Bonus action Fighting Spirit, 4 attacks, +1 Dual Wield,+1 Rapid Strike | Action Surge, 4 attacks, +1 Dual Wield (11 total). Total - 22 (not including one possible AoO reaction after 2nd turn, 20 with Advantage). Add haste for 2 more attacks.
Going from AD&D to 5E I was blown away by all the abilities the fighter has. How could people think it's basic? What abilities do the other classes get??
1st level : Color Spray. Nothing the fighter can do compares. 3rd level : Glitterdust. Nothing the fighter can do compares. 5th level : Haste. Nothing the fighter can do compares. 7th level : Black Tentacles. Nothing the fighter can do compares. 9th level : Teleport. Nothing the fighter can do compares. 11th level : Planar Binding. Nothing the fighter can do compares. 13th level : Plane Shift. Nothing the fighter can do compares. 15th level : Irresistible Dance. Nothing the fighter can do compares. 17th level : Shapechange. Nothing the fighter can do compares.
@@mrosskne lmao they won't die because they have better proficiencies for saves and a hit die that's almost twice that of a Wizard's, meaning far more hp than Wizards get on average, not to mention significantly better AC due to armor proficiencies and dex being a more desirable stat for Fighter, unless your DM lets you long rest after almost every difficult encounter Fighters have more long term value, especially in the early levels
@@QuantemDeconstructor Monster attack rolls and damage scale faster than the fighter's, and again, without magic, you have no way to defend against the monsters' many at will abilities that prevent you from being able to do anything, and you have no way to overcome their defenses. You don't understand the game and you've never played at a high level.
For anyone interested, there's a really cool Homebrew called Alternative Fighter, that gives fighters a lot more options and buffs them a bit to be more interesting.
Slightly warmer than room temperature take: fighter isn’t the best class for beginners, barbarians are. A decent number of fighter’s subclasses are complex, especially the newer ones. Eldritch and Echo Knight especially, with the first having you deal with about half of the wizard’s spell list and the latter being so mechanically confusing even veterans sometimes get it wrong. Hell, you also have to read through pages upon pages of feats. Barbarian? Rage. Reckless. Attack. Done. What should new player play? Literally any barbarian except battlerager or berserker. What if they literally don’t want to think about anything? Bear totem.
Berserker is literally the only subclass of Barb that is new player friendly, though. They should always play Berserker first because the only thing it gets for its entire 20 levels is literally Rage. That's it. Just Rage. Sure, you can claim the Rage it gets is "special" because it gives you Exhaustion, but seeing as how most DMs don't use Exhaustion in their games, Frenzy is literally just... Rage. It's just the base level one class, and that's it. There's nothing "subclass" about it. And that's what makes it the easiest. The other Barb subclasses require more thought, which is terrible for new players. They shouldn't be forced to think when they're just starting out. They have to see what D&D is like before truly thinking it through
@@nyxnightmare3542 berserker is bad specifically because it draws the exhaustion mechanic out which is a) an extreme cost that is difficult to use more than once a day and b) a mechanic that most DMs don’t use like you said. If you’re allowing frenzy without exhaustion (which I agree is a good fix if an alternative downside is presented like limiting it to lasting CON mod turns after activation), you’re running it homebrew. For the easiest experience, Totem Barb with Bear option. Some out of combat utility through lv6 ability and ritual casting, really good survivability against almost everything (which is a good safety net for new players), and otherwise it’s just a barbarian that’s harder to kill.
I feel like that 6 seconds extends when you're swinging your sword/mace/axe/Halberd into the poor sod who found himself on the receiving end of the fighter's malice
I have two fighters in my group which were horrified to find the first encounter of the campaign was with enemies which had natural slashing immunity. One of the fighters was literally just punching the jelly he was fighting because he only had a greataxe 🤣
That's why a fighter should always plan for all contingencies in combat. Like in a FP2e game I played in I was a fighter, got put up against skeletons, my preferred weapons are a bow and hatchet (hand axe), thankfully I also carried a shield. So, seeing as how I was causing little damage with my melee and ranged, I did what any sensible fighter would do, AND BEAT THE HECK OUT OF THEM WITH THE SHIELD!
@@gilessaint-loup2426 nice In the campaign I was part of I played a wizard and just walked up to the jellies and thunder waved one of the into a wall causing it to instantly die
This is pretty good to hear. I want to make a fighter that's based off a Spartan (the Greek Spartans, not Master Chief, and the *actual* Greek Spartans, not based on the movie).
"Stop it with the dragonborn puberty! We're saving that for next week." "This is the LONGEST next week of my life!" And we, the audience, are grateful for it.
I play Fighters because I don't want to micromanage a spell list and suddenly become super squishy because I can't attack anything and have only clothes for armor
saying fighter is basic is strawman argument because technically all classes are what they are for example rouge all they can do is steal stealh kill and unlock doors you know rouge stuff
I’ve been playing fighter more lately. It’s actually quite versatile for the uses I’ve made my builds for. One of my favorite fighters I play is actually the party’s scholar. By that I mean they are good with arcana, history, insight (etc), have tons of languages and have tool proficiencies in painting, calligraphy, and forgery tools. This last part is actually how the party has so many spell scrolls. During a decent amount of downtime I’ll sit down each member with spellcasting and have them work with me in creating important scrolls for spells they may not always keep prepared and/or that we might need more uses of than we have spell slots for. Like revivify or cure wounds or gentle repose. Heck, I one time stocked us up with “rations” by having our npc druid friend make Goodberry scrolls with me, and all because paper weighed less than rations and so we got more “rations” this way since the ranger could use those scrolls (it’s on their spell list). Party thought I was crazy at first for doing this, until we ran out of rations and I started handing these scrolls over to the ranger. And thats just one thing I have done. Being a tank and frontliner is important for my group, true, but its the leeway of that which let me jump off a platform and onto the back of a black dragon we were fighting to grapple its wing and make it crash to the ground. I used action surge to actually make sure I got some stabbing in too. Heck, I've used action surge to get clear across a battlefield and catch an escaping enemy. People forget that you can use that action surge to dash or disengage too. And I'm not even into subclasses nor have I covered what the Indomitable feature does yet. Depending on how you build, you can do a lot with a fighter. Heck, I can even keep up with some of our spellcasters for damage with my Samurai subclass, a subclass that gives my weapon attacks advantage for the rest of my turn…all of them…including the action surge one. And if I can combine that with a Haste spell? Yeah, this means more guaranteed hits. Oh! But one of my two favorite parts of the Samurai subclass (because I enjoy rp a lot) is the courtier feature. This does two things, one, it dumps your wisdom modifier into your persuasion skill (which can be an amazing combo if you also take proficiency in insight) but also provides you with proficiency in WISDOM saving throws, one of the most valuable of saving throws alongside Dex and Con saving throws (with con being one of the ones you automatically get from the class). Oh! And let’s not forget that temp hp you can get from each time you use the fighting spirit subclass feature (which is no joke if you frontline), which, remember, is the same feature that allows advantage for all weapon attacks that turn. But let’s put that aside and talk about Eldritch Knight. Remember the con saving throws part? Those help in spells too and the eldritch knight is your spellcaster fighter subclass, from the wizard spell list in fact, which, I’ll remind all, is one of the most versatile spell lists and even has some amazing sword based cantrips that combine beautifully with a fighter and packing on the damage, damage that can be increased that entire turn with an action surge. Heck, you can just cast with that action surge too! But let’s get to the one of the most difficult but definitely is the embodiment of the versatility of the fighter subclass, the battlemaster fighter. This is one of the complex ones due to its maneuvers but also, the most powerful I’d argue, enough so that there is a feat and a fighting style to actually allow you to acquire some of these maneuvers outside the subclass itself. I cannot cover the amount of things you can do with this subclass here due to just the variety you can get and it works! Like all these maneuvers, if you get the rhythm of them, are amazing at helping you play in whatever style you build for and can really make you feel cool. I’ve seen a variety of builds come from this one, from dex builds that just get more evasive, commander builds, tank builds, disarming builds, grapple builds, mounted builds, etc. The list goes one. In fact, if you check Tasha’s you’ll actually find some suggestions for certain builds that list manuever combos you can take. Like I said, the battle master embodies the best part of fighter, which is the versatility of how you build. Honestly a lot of the subclasses are amazing and the variations in fighting styles are nothing to sneeze at either. Indomitable letting you reroll a failed saving throw is great too and something rare to have for any other class, and you can play just however you wish. But let’s also give some love to the fact that you can use any weapon you come across, any armor you could get, and all the skills you can choose from right out the gate. But also, let’s also not forget two other amazing things. That hit dice! It’s a D10 and, combined with the second wind feature (which only uses a bonus action!) can get your fighter healed up that much more and keep them up that much longer. Oh and I’m not done. Did you know this class gets more chances for asi? No other class has this. This means, if you use the optional rule for feats, more chances for feats! And even if you don’t, it means you have more ability to spread out your stats and still be effective because you have more chances to increase those stats than any other class. Heck! The fact that you can get the asi at both level 4 (the normal time) and level 6(!) means you get enough of these early in the game that it’s going to be effective for most campaigns (since most campaigns usually don’t go very far into later levels, like past 10 or 15). This means you can build early on how you want and have that up and running quite a bit faster than most other subclasses. Anyway, yeah, check out fighter. I know I sound excited about this but I really do want people to give it a chance and a bit of imagination on creative ways to use these abilities because it really rewards that gameplay. Plus, even when the spellcasters run out of slots or there is anti magic going on, you can bet your fighter can still smack things around. Frontlining isn’t always about smack things really hard (though it does that well too) but also keeping an enemies attention away from the squishies and forcing them to deal with you (and is one of the major reasons sentinel is such a good feat for this class, since, once up close, it doesn’t really let the enemy get away). I will admit that fighter isn’t my number 1 favorite class but it’s definitely up there with my top ones and I have had a blast playing as one. Samurai is probably my favorite but I have talked to plenty who also had fun in the other subclasses I mentioned and also rune knight, champion, cavalier (yes, it’s quite good if you set aside the name), and psi warrior. To say nothing also of Matt Mercer’s Echo knight which can be a killer combo for many multiclass builds (especially the soulknife rogue, I’m told). Anyway, I wish you all many fun games! May your adventures be amazing and your bag of holding have many healing potions (and not be a bag of devouring).
Also yeah they are. They have the most spell slots per day to spam fight ending control spells with, they can turn a battle field asunder with their raw aoe damage as well. Optimal for a war setting honestly. Source: having played one for a war on a living world they’re amazing.
As a larper with a background in martial arts, 9 attacks in 6 seconds is totally feasible if you’re trained. Fluidity of movement is realistic and important. Also, battlemaster fighters are cracked at higher levels. And at level 9 you get Indomitable. Not to mention, count ‘em with me… 7 ASIs
Sure the mage can take out an entire room with a burst of flame and the hunter can take out the eye of an orc from 300 yards... but when the mage runs out of spells and the hunter runs out of arrows GUESS WHO'S STILL KICKING ASS!!!
@@lauraw2526 you're not wrong A fight typically is over long before the others run out of their abilities. Where the fighter's ability to keep going full-speed is after you've gone through several encounters without taking a rest. This falls on the DM to actually push the limits of the party so that everyone can have their moment to shine. If a (good) class isn't showing its potential, it's often the DM's fault for not providing them the opportunity, imo.
@@faolan2174 I completely agree with this. A good dm understands how the players want to play and sets up scenarios that work to everyone’s strengths(at least at some point, if not every time.)
Battle master trip attack. If you trip them on the first attack, advantage for the remaining attacks that turn. Samurai can literally just give themselves advantage for the turn, they can turn one of those advantage attacks to a straight roll to gain an extra attack meaning the used example turns from 9 to 10 attacks. The wildmount echo knight can create duplicates and at third level can do "You can heighten your echo’s fury. Whenever you take the Attack action, you can make one additional melee attack from the echo’s position" which can be used a number of times equal to your charisma modifier. So two attack actions of 4 attacks becomes 5 each, plus the bonus action off hand for 11 attacks. Add haste in there and non-samurai and non-echo knights can ramp up to 10 attacks, samurai to 11, echo knights to a wallopping 13 as Haste's extra action to attack is still considered an attack action albeit at restricted one extra attack normally.
Hot take: Literally ALL classes are basic in one way or another, and it's up to you as a player to make a character that evolves past just what their class is to become something better than basic.
@@mrosskne Not really. Your insults are grade school level. Your need to be a dick to strangers on the internet reminds me of a teenager. You need better hobbies. Apparently D&D isn't scratching that itch.
@@mrosskneGet some better bait material, i had to sit through 5+ boring uninteresting replies trying to get people to "change their tastes" And you know what? Fine. I'll reply. I'll make you feel like you're getting attention. screw you.
As someone whose most OP character was a dex-based Eldridge Knight Archery fighter, she came in clutch during some of our most dangerous fights. She could misty step to get in closer, fight both up-close and from afar, and had a hard time getting hit. Between sharpshooter, spell slinger, and a few extra things she came with, she worked in any situation that was ever needed. Fighters may be basic, but they can get OP real fucking fast with the right setup.
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Fighter's basic. That's why I play a Ghostlance build instead.
Either that, or an Inquisitive Rogue who is also a Master of Battling, with his Shilellagh from Magic Initiate, and his insightful maneuvers and tactics.
Or an Eldritch half-caster-of-sorts-who-just-so-happens-to-have-a-legal-right-to-Knightood.
Or a long-lost ronin warrior who formerly served a great Shogun, and- wait, these all involve Fighter subclasses. F#ck.
It’s more that fighter isn’t stronger than full spell casting
@@demonderpz7937 To be fair, what is?
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When he said "you sit on a throne of lies" and the response was " I'm a dm that's my job," i died laughing
RIP
Same LOL
"The fighter is basic, it bonks the enemy." "Ah, but did you know it bonk the enemy 9 times a turn" mind explosion
I actually like playing a fighter, I had a dwarven fighter with a high ac and wielded a greataxe, he was fun
@@hotpotrshipman9307 Yeah, martials are a lot of fun if you have the right mindset and a bit of creativity.
What is synonim to "bonk". Im not english speaker and afraid to got the meaning wrong. Is it to "hit"?
@@zakhar_dub yes
Its not exactly a word but rather a sound
As in
"Thump"
"Gurgle"
"Screaming"
Just like that "bonk"
He shouldve returned with "wow 9 attacks sound impressive, but casters yeet 4 meteors, 8 if they get 2 fighter levels, average 280 damage to not just one, not 2, but all in the field. 🤭"
"WE USE YOUR FEATS BETTER THAN YOU DO!"
Fighters ain't basic, it's just that everything that could give the class it's own flavor (fighting without weapons, being holy, being sneaky, etc) is represented by a different class (monk, paladin, rogue, etc).
Nah , it's just that all the flavor is in the subclass. So everyone who only play lvl 1 and 2 never see it
@@timotheebrasseur6188
Also the purposefully added extra ability scores, purposefully made for your fighter to get more feats than other classes and still afford to have decent stats.
I once mentioned this to a guy and he played it off like “except every class can get a feat”
Yeah, except Fighter can AFFORD to make crazy choices whereas most classes have to make more limited choices.
@@couragew6260 That's a good point, but it also depends on the feat selection available to them which in 5e atleast varied greatly
No. Ya Basic 🤣
Mate, the unarmed fighting style does 1D6+STR, or 1D8+STR if you aren't holding a weapon or a shield. The martial arts feature of monks only let them deal 1D4+DEX damage. Furthermore, fighters can attack way more times than monks ever could.
Fighters got endurance. I once held a dueling tournament in-game, with only a short rest between each fight. The spellcasters ran out of spell slots immediately, but the fighter could Just. Keep. Going.
I once used a Spore Druid with high Con in a magic tournament. 3 fights, no rest between them. The only spell I casted was a lvl 3 Cure Wounds, the rest I just intimidaded by tanking a whole as Ice Storm with my spores temp hp. Fun times
Exactly. This is the part people often forget about class roles. Some classes can do some pretty cool stuff, but it's limited-use. Whereas "endurance" classes are pretty much as good by the 10th encounter as they were in the 1st.
The main issue is that most DMs don't push parties to that limit very often before allowing them to rest and get all their cool abilities back, so they snuff at the fighter since they never get to really see him shine.
As a man once told me, "Endurance is key."
I am playing a fighter in a 3 man 3.5 game. That's my job to keep going so the bard and cleric can save on spells.
@@falsnamae3511 Psh.... You never see a fighter using a 1d8+3 sword attack. You'll see one of three things: 2d6+13, 1d8+5, or 1d10+3+1d4+3.
Greatsword/Maul with GWM
One handed weapon with Dueling fighting style for extra damage
or Polearm Master with the bonus action attack
You could also see dual wielding fighters, spellcasting fighters with useful tricks, or archer fighters, all of which also outpace the cantrip damage
And to top it all off... That 2d12 cantrip is less likely to actually hit once, then at least one of the Fighter's two attacks at that level. Big damage numbers is nice and all, but consistancy is better, and the more attacks you're making, the more *consistantly* you will hit.
Fighters to me are a lot like Clerics. They’re “glue” classes. People don’t always want to play them, especially because of their associated stereotypes, but they are very powerful and it’s always beneficial to have one in the party to make sure your spellcasters don’t get trashed.
I agree they are super useful both fighters and clerics. I also feel ultiy mages are good as well that most people look down on till they need fly to fight a dragon that is lol
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Nice.
Then again, I love playing my Mountain Dwarf Gunslinger:
In my party that was filled to bursting with arcane casters and range specialists, I was the party tank.
I, the heal and fire domain cleric of Saernrae, held the line to protect my squishy teammates.
When the party was being made, we originally had a barbarian and an offensive oriented cleric.
But they had to bow out because life forced them.
After they initially stopped coming, it took me a couple of sessions for me to realize that I was the party tank.
Edit: For clarity, this was Pathfinder. Hence the two domains.
I mean… clerics are generally really well liked actually. And quite powerful when optimized. Fighters… ehhhh
"I'm a DM it's my job" --One Shot Questers
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First and foremost, this is the unfiltered truth. The DMs job is to know. Either by applying to that information, or have it stored in mind.
People confuse "basic" with "easy to learn". Their simplicity is their strength, and once you start adding items, feats, and abilities you have a plethora of tactics they can use.
1st level : Color Spray. Nothing the fighter can do compares.
3rd level : Glitterdust. Nothing the fighter can do compares.
5th level : Haste. Nothing the fighter can do compares.
7th level : Black Tentacles. Nothing the fighter can do compares.
9th level : Teleport. Nothing the fighter can do compares.
11th level : Planar Binding. Nothing the fighter can do compares.
13th level : Plane Shift. Nothing the fighter can do compares.
15th level : Irresistible Dance. Nothing the fighter can do compares.
17th level : Shapechange. Nothing the fighter can do compares.
@@mrossknedied by a goblin with knife, nothing the Fighter can do compares.
@@rauhillah3884 Lol you can't even come up with anything that the fighter can actually do so you just get mad and cry
@@mrosskne you really say "can't come up with something Fighter can do"? When this very video when commented to is all about fraction of what fighter can do.
Let me name you something Fighter can do, they can increase critical attack chance up to threefold than normal crit chance.
@@rauhillah3884 lol hitpoint damage. pathetic. and the wizard is still better at it than you.
The real reason people say fighter is basic is because it's noob friendly
and basic.
when people think fantasy adventurer they usually go "he fights good with X weapon".
or they think guy with spell book. aka wizard. which is the basic of the spellcasters.
Not really, yeah you CAN make a straight forward and basic fighter but depending on the race, maneuver, subclass or even weapon you end up picking, it ends up being just as if not more complex than any other class. Depending on the build you have spells to keep track of just like a casters, superiority dice kinda like bardic inspiration, a slew of different reactions you can take or bonus damage you can do that you need to remember, etc
IMO the Barbarian is the true basic class. The fact that you have to spec STR, CON and DEX pretty well in order to be effective means all your non-physical stats are going to be your dump stats, which really hampers you outside of combat. At least as a fighter you can choose to short STR or DEX in favor of something else. Sure it's not combat optimal but it wouldn't cripple your character either. It's a lot harder to make a Barbarian anything other than a beatstick/meatshield
@@RiveroftheWither Race I think shouldn't count for this, since any class can be any race, so the complexity can be added to everyone. Maneuvers are a subclass specific option, as for action options you can... bonk, grapple, shove. Those are the only ones fighers are any better at than a wizard. Sure your subclass might let you do something else, but it also might not. The fact that battlemaster isn't base is an absolute sin
@@danieldancza6171 Race does count precisely because it effects everyone, certain races like humans with a bonus feat can have a big impact on the complexity of the class, such as making an Eldritch Knight but grabbing the feat that gives some Battle Master perks, making a versatile and effective spell sword character IF you choose the right spells and maneuvers . You also have to take a long list of battle stances that I forgot to mention. Regardless, none of what you said detracts from my point or make fighter sound "noob friendly". As Duke said, anyone that claims fighter is basic or easy has probably never gone past level 2 with one as a multi-class. The "basic" combo of human fighter can literally be made into one of the best combat characters if you actually know what you're doing, which a new player would struggle with achieving. Dubbing fighter as the "noob class" and not giving it the time of day past getting Second Wind and Action Surge is precisely what causes "basic fighters" to be made. You've never bothered learning all the cool things you can do with them.
I remember I played a Unarmed Fighter Battle Master with Tavern Brawler and Grappler once, it was a LOT of fun Suplexing thralls and RKOing mindflayers.
It taught me that Monks aren't the only class that can master the art of fisticuffs
I see your DM was sandbagging
I once thought fighters were basic, then one of my player played rune knight and suddenly the size of creatures became a very important stat to me
I got to ask.. How?
@Doc K Damn. That sounds pretty Useful.
I felt the immense flipping of pages you had to go through when i read that 🤣
@@georgemeyers7172 Yes it's very fun, ever wanted to pile drive a giant? Now you can!!
“You got a natural 20 to hit me? Damn, your friend over there is really gonna be feeling that in the morning.”
Seriously, I’m sure the Cloud Giant’s Rune is way less useful than I think it is, but it just sounds so fun to use.
People say that a human fighter is the most basic of the basics decision
BUT
by doing that they actually need to concentrate into something that some players actually forget.
PERSONALITY
Honestly, this whole "fighter is basic" and "humans are basic" end up creating some sort of paradox (not sure if that is the right word, but whatever) where suddenly, fighters and humans are interesting because no one plays as them.
While on the other hand, wizards, rogues, barbarians, elfs, dwarves, drows, gnomes, all start to feel very basic, because everyone plays as them.
When everyone uses what's special, suddenly, it isn't special anymore. And then, what everyone ignores because its bland, ends up becoming special.
When their is multiple races to choose from, human is going to the very bottom of the list
@@Lvl1.Sentry Variant Human is nice for the free feat at level 1
Do not forget that Battle Masters or people who take the feat also get Trip Attack. Which means that after the first attack, if the dice is on your side, you get 8 more attacks with advantage.
Surprisingly, our Dragonborn Echo Fighter and my Drow Moon Druid get along very well. When he was low on HP in a fight once, my druid turned into a giant constrictor snake, surrounded and protected him this way. The Fighter was one of the few people who were ok with my druid joining the Party. They respect each other.
I actually want an episode on dragonborn puberty
“ how’s only casting one spell a round treating you?”
Me who uses magic jar on creatures that can cast spells as legendary actions” I wouldn’t know “
Monster manual outright says you cannot use the legendary actions of creatures you assume the form of , you cannot do that
@@menementhemighty4322 glad you mentioned that cuz you aren’t actually assuming there form. Your possesing it, which is different. A spell that would let you assume the form would be something like polymorph, true polymorph, mass polymorph and shapechange
@@Spiceodog That makes sense. I haven't thought about using magic jar for that purpose.
@@Madchemist002 and that’s only one of the many benefits you get from it
@@Spiceodog How many *humanoid* enemies are you fighting with legendary actions?
Cause magic jar says you can only possess other humanoids, which takes most monsters out of the actual running.
Call Fighter basic all you want but 8 attacks in one turn is extremely impressive and I love it.
Only impressive if your group lasts to be able to do it. By time they get their 3rd attack most groups are either done or will soon finish the campaign.
Action Surge is still impressive though. Hopefully it remains a "low hanging fruit" in 6th Ed. Not holding my breath though.
@@peterwhitcomb8315 Not true. I'm a DM and my group is around level 20. I just have them fight huge armies at this point. Most of those armies get obliterated within the first few minutes of combat.
@@jacobrispoli4351
1) You are running an a-typical campaign if you are above level 16. Gratz to you and your players. Sometimes I wish campaigns just started at those levels. Hmmm... There is an idea 😳
2) Are you allowing the players to obliterate your armies? I assume you are using some hyperbole there and the encounters are more challenging than you are letting on.
No matter how many attacks they get, just doing the same thing over and over again is still pretty basic.
@@peterwhitcomb8315 Yeah we started high. Kinda. It's a group of 6 players roughly each day we play, but if everyone is there it could be up to 8-10 players all around level 20, sooo. Also my dad is a cleric sorcerer.
"there is another page!??"
This got me, so good. Fighters are the best class.
I had a lv 20 fighter that later became the BBEG because he was just an absolute beast when it came down to close combat
what a boring villain
I legitimately had to ask my DM about Dragonborn puberty today, due to highly unusual circumstances... My 3-year-old Grung got forcefully and permanently transformed into a Dragonborn, the problem is that a Grung is fully mature by 3, but a Dragonborn is equitable to a 10-year-old human...
How'd that conversation go? Asking for a friend... >.>
Yeah, my fully-grown 12 year old Shifter druid got age regressed by 13 years, to the minimum 1 year old. Baby screamed into NPC's ear until his age was restored.
And don't forget Rune Knight from Tasha's, which theoretically can grow large enough to grapple a Tarrasque
Holy shit! That sounds like a fight to the ages!
Sounds like king Kong vs Godzilla
1st level : Color Spray. Nothing the fighter can do compares.
3rd level : Glitterdust. Nothing the fighter can do compares.
5th level : Haste. Nothing the fighter can do compares.
7th level : Black Tentacles. Nothing the fighter can do compares.
9th level : Teleport. Nothing the fighter can do compares.
11th level : Planar Binding. Nothing the fighter can do compares.
13th level : Plane Shift. Nothing the fighter can do compares.
15th level : Irresistible Dance. Nothing the fighter can do compares.
17th level : Shapechange. Nothing the fighter can do compares.
@@mrosskne yes yes you don't like fun this is a known factor by now, but if this is a game you would like to play let us play.
take a moderate level of damage? Nothing a Spellcaster can do can compare
not TPK your own party because you couldn't be bothered to check your spell shape? Nothing a Spellcaster can do can compare
Be Able to do anything at the lower levels without taking a short rest every 5 minutes? Nothing a Spellcaster can do can compare
Not being so ridiculously diluted to the point of being less a recognized class and more a collection of memes? Nothing a Wizard can do can compare
@@foxtrot-gamesandwit4475 Lmao, you actually wrote "take damage" as if it's some kind of ability that anyone would want to have.
If you let the enemy attack you in the first place, you've already lost.
"How’s only casting one spell a round treating you?”
Me who "took two levels in fighter got action surge and then focused on an entirely different class"
I use Tensers transformation and dual wield light crossbows or revolvers my wizard has managed to create.
Tensers never says it only adds 2d12 Force Damage to melee attacks, just weapon attacks.
Backup of my wizard is literally just sword and pistol dual wield XD
Lv20 Custom Background / Custom Lineage Warforge Eldritch Knight + 9x Spell Casting Feats (2x Feats from Customs): ... "THIS IS POWER!!!"
@@absolstoryoffiction6615 With all those feats your saving throws would be terrible tho.
And you can't cast stinging barbs XD
@@TheLikenessOfNormal
With 14, 14, 14, 10, 10, 10 Point Buy. My rolls are average. Then add +1 to both Str for 15 and Dex for 15 from Variant Human. Pick up the Amulet of Vigor for 19 Con and the Belt of Strength for 16 Str.
In total... 19, 15, 15, 10, 10, 10... Is my Stat Block.
As the Eldritch Knight, my Spells are not for DPR. I'll leave that to the Wizard. Utility, Support, Mobility, and Illusion Spells are much better for the Eldritch Knight, outside of scaling Cantrips like Booming Blade and Green Flame Blade.
... Until the campaign ends at lv10 to lv15...
@@absolstoryoffiction6615 EK requires an intelligence score of 13 to take it as a sublcass, same requirement to multiclass into wizard.
So I dunno how you were casting spells at all with 10 INT
I still carry the pride I felt upon hearing my DM's sheer shock at how many attacks I did in one turn like a god damn badge.
It's extremely depressing that something as dull as doing a lot of damage is a memorable moment for you. You deserve better experiences from your games, and it is a failure of DnD that it couldn't deliver.
@@mrosskne It wasn't the damage itself that was memorable. It was the DM's reaction to how many attacks I did. And while admittedly it wasn't the pinnacle of memorable D&D highlights, it's still a fun memory.
@@esteban8471 yikes
@@mrosskne I don't see what the "yikes" is about.
@@esteban8471 I know you don't.
The character sheet tells you what you can do in combat. For everything else, there's roleplay. Once you stop thinking of your character as a token on a board (which, to be fair, is what they are in combat) and start thinking of them as a character, Fighters don't have to be basic anymore.
Every class can roleplay in equal measure.
This. Half of my many characters are Fighters, and none of them feel "basic" because A). I put effort into giving them good RP and B). _man_ Fighters can pull some cool stuff! Judo-throw someone and take their weapon, throw it into another enemy, reposition the flanked sorcerer and give the rogue another Sneak Attack? In one round? _At level 5?!_ Only Fighter baby.
This is true, but the basic nature of fighter as a combat class encourages more flexibility and creativity in the role play that does happen. Other classes very infrequently have personalities entirely separated from the stereotypes of their role, which itself is usually defined by what they do in combat. A fighter, however, has no such limitation.
Other classes get stuff on their sheet for outside of combat as well
@@pistaalkohol That's what I meant. Every class can roleplay, being a wizard doesn't stop you from roleplaying to do stuff, it's just that you can also just...do a thing without having to ask the GM for it.
I laughed so much throughout this video. The amount of tiny jokes he made plus the slaps after trick questions made me chuckle like a little child.😂
I've heard that fighters are considered basic because of some old DnD rules, where other classes had some prerequisites to them, but fighters were always available, so they were like fallback option (?)
Also aside from subclasses they just do what everyone else can do but quicker , and maybe better
In 3.5 they also had literally 0 class features. They just earned a lot of extra feats. Making them nothing more than a multi class tool
In the earliest editions of D&D Fighters were just worse Paladin, but Paladins had huge requirements that had to be maintained at all times or you completely lost your access to their class power, where a Fighter you could be with no restrictions. So if a Paladin lost enough charisma, even temporarily, to be below the requirement for Paladin they were no longer a Paladin, but with how Humans worked they could instead dual class (not multi-class, it was a different mechanic entirely) into Fighter and play the same play style, but weaker into fighter.
In 5.0 they're not basic at all, but they'll probably never shake that stereotype because D&D community liking change is like saying oil likes water.
@@morgantaylor84 Oil *does* like water, but the water forms cliques and pushes the oil out, because water is a jerk.
It would be more like saying water likes oil. Which it doesn't.
Yes, old school rules require stats to be rolled first then you can choose your class. Because rolling high was hard... Most were fighters with 3hp.
Death right out the door!
Irgo, Battle Master. Felled a few dragons (well it WAS Hoard of the Dragon Queen/Rise of Tiamat, so...), lost a lover, went - partially - insane and managed to destroy the avatar of Yeenoghu in one beautiful crit.
One of the best characters I've ever played.
Fully agree. The time my own Battle Master Fighter managed to disarm a Cloud Giant who was five times her size with Disarming Attack stands out as one of my fondest memories in a game.
1st level : Color Spray. Nothing the fighter can do compares.
3rd level : Glitterdust. Nothing the fighter can do compares.
5th level : Haste. Nothing the fighter can do compares.
7th level : Black Tentacles. Nothing the fighter can do compares.
9th level : Teleport. Nothing the fighter can do compares.
11th level : Planar Binding. Nothing the fighter can do compares.
13th level : Plane Shift. Nothing the fighter can do compares.
15th level : Irresistible Dance. Nothing the fighter can do compares.
17th level : Shapechange. Nothing the fighter can do compares.
@@mrosskneno one cares bro
@@RjGoombes You do.
@@mrosskne "No u" lmao saddest troll ever
One of my first characters was a fighter BECAUSE I wanted to go easy bonk.
Had to learn very quickly how to do everything else because my party members were murderhobos who couldn't sold a puzzle meant for 5yo kids, AND she still bonked pretty hard. Oh and she knows a lot of arcane stuff, despite not being a spellcaster, because of her background and is a polyglot.
One day my dear Yria will get her rightful time to shine and not be held back by anything but her own morals.
I once was asked to leave a campaign because my character was too strong. He was a Level 4 Human Battle Master Fighter with Crossbow Expert and Sharpshooter.
The only thing a fighter is good for 🤣
They are best for "plink" "plink" "plink" and not "bong."
@@peterwhitcomb8315 it was more because I was able to completely control the battlefield at range, while still doing incredible damage.
Your DM has never seen a competent wizard
even IF all fighters did was bonk, they bonk SUPER well. whereas a rogue needs to be flanking or sneaking, a barbarian needs to be raging and meet specific requirements (like either getting hit or hitting something each turn, I'm sure there's more but I haven't had the change to play a barbarian), a fighter can walk up to any baddie, bonk them a lot. and then move on to the next one. they bonk good.
@Paradoxical enigma Think it's just a subclass ability. I remember something in a game where someone lost their rage because they didn't attack or get hit during a round
Level 15 - Persistent Rage. It's across all subclasses.
@@peterwhitcomb8315 Oh, did not know about that. still though, the fighter doesn't need to be raging for their best bonking.
@@DBfan106 A barbarian bonks respectably well without raging, it is just while raging they are a demon made manifest. Zealot barbarian's essentially become the embodiment of unkillable. High level barbarians can basically force the DM to go "this encounter can threaten the group and the barbarian just laughs....or threatens the barbarian and potentially everyone else dies..."
@@Nempo13 Not really the point. the point is fighters are good WITHOUT needing to rage. sure, so are barbarians, but the rage is where most of their draw is.
I love how he sais that fighters can do more than bonk, and than explains how the fighter can bonk with all weapons and can bonk a lot of times in one turn
Because you have to find what they can do other than bonk. I can tell you you're a Paladin and you instantly know what you can do other than bonk, a Fighter can do way more than bonk, but it's not a set list.
I saw a post of a lvl20 samurai-fighter doing 20 attacks or so before dying.
The thing about lvl 20 is that you get insane powers, becoming half-god essentially. So it does totally make sense for fighter to cut something in 0.7 seconds.
Really I’d say it’s also about role-playing. By itself the fighter class doesn’t have any obvious hooks to base an interesting character idea on, so if you don’t get a bit creative you just wind up with generic fighter guy that hit with stick real good. If you take the time to flesh out an interesting concept, then you can avoid being basic and being real strong at what you do.
Not that there’s anything wrong with being really straightforward btw. Really friendly towards new players and can speed up game as the new guy doesn’t spend 10 mins figuring which spell they should cast.
I think this goes into the question of interesting. Is having options from a class make a character interesting? Or does less options make it less interesting despite being more powerful. On that regard, is a sorcerer less interesting than a wizard or a cleric, but their meta-magic can arguably make their spells more useful and powerful. But do spells and abilities really make a character interesting or is it how the character is played? I'd argue a terribly made character that is not effective BUT has a good backstory and is played well with a good personality is infinitely more interesting than a well-made character with a lack of personality. My argument is that character interestingness has nothing to do with abilities, only people with bad roleplaying think that, most of us can't roleplay well; tbh we want to play a social game and complete quests and stuff. I'd argue were not playing a role-playing game at that point. Think of who you would rather have at a table, a human fighter whose has a good personality, or a kobold wizard with a lackluster personality. I made no mention of any backstory or anything, we might think kobolds, goblins, or gnomes are "oh so cute, they are so crazy and funny" due to pop-culture, but that is with someone playing them well.
So does human, but my Best characters roleplay-wise has been humans, if your character entire personality is his race or class then the problem is not the character lol
Every class can roleplay.
@@MasterGhostf Wizards have metamagic feats. Stop playing the baby edition.
Your skits are getting so much better it's incredible. Nice work. Laughed throughout.
Fighters are straightforward, and sometimes that’s what you need.
Nope. We run all caster parties and dominate every encounter.
After seeing the cap you were wearing, I can say my mind was sufficiently blown. Didn't expect that.
I don't get the reference... -_-
@@CMDRKaiross07 He's wearing a Seth Rollins cap. He's a WWE Wrestler.
Personally, I like the rune knight subclass combo with a friend wizard. There's just something magical about turning large with runic powers, being enlarged further by the enlarge spell, and at level 3 be a 18-20ft tall iron giant, throwing horses and boulders on people.
Also, the fact that they can literally see an enemy land a critical hit and go "Actually, you hit your friend with that crit." No saving throw, no way to counter it. It just.. Happens. That shit is HILARIOUS
If anyone ever tells you a Fighter is basic ...
Play an Echo Knight. In the right hands they're the biggest brains on the field who also won't die in one hit like a Wizard. Truly a beast of it's own league.
Wizards are the hardest class to kill.
@@mrosskne That's probably why there's the "dies of 1d4 [random bullshit] damage"-meme. Because they're the most unlikely character to die.
There is nothing stopping a Wizard from wearing Armor for levels 1 and 2.
In time they will pull their weight.
@@travisdonaldstanley6420 unless proficient in the armor at the start, wearing said armor would basically stop you from casting spells.
@@cameronjensen9397
Agreement.
Wizards are the only Class that actually can get stronger from reading books, not going out into the world.
A level 1 Wizard that goes out into the world would have a most fascinating back story.
Because it is very foolish.
If I was a level 1 Wizard, and I had to go adventuring, I would get a spell focus and armor up.
As DM I let wizards where armor and cast spells with a focus, but the spells can't have somatic properties.
By the time they are casting level 3 spells they will have taken the test of the tower, and then it's Robes from there on out.
White, Red, or Black.
I play DragonLance.
I even let players who have a Wizard play as their sidekick while their PC stays back and learns spells.
Something not mentioned here is that the attacks you roll are really where the clashing of weapons has left an opportunity. So technically the fighter is making even more than 9 attacks 6 seconds, the 9 you get to roll are where there is an actual opportunity. Either that or a fighter who action surges while dual wielding can see an opportunity with every strike, but i like to think the former, so have fun with that. :)
Fighters aren't basic, they're fundamental.
That's really what it is. The base class focuses so much on the basic rules of the game (feats/ability scores and attacks) that people write it off as basic. It's a fantastic class for new people and those that want to make builds with lots of feats. The lack of built-in flavor and abilities makes it the most versatile.
And they certainly put the fun in FUNdamental
@@babashanko5358 I love me a battle master fighter with a few useful spells from the race/feats, hex, darkness, grease, take blindfighting for your fighting style, beautiful.
All of my campaigns are cleric druid wizard parties. Why would we waste a spot on a fighter when the cleric and druid are already superior fighters that also get casting?
@@mrosskneDid you forget your meds again?
Add the Samurai Subclass you can Action surge and Fighting spirit on the same turn. At level 20 that is 8 attacks with advantage for 1 round. I rolled three 20s in that round.
fighter is the perfect class for learning the mechanics of combat. the subclasses give different tastes of other classes, allowing players to get used to things like spells without dying to 1d4 damage.
Wizard died to 1d4 not being a fighter damage.
My Eldritch Knight, the fighter with magic, has been killing it in my current campaign. He recently got Green Flame Blade which is a cantrip melee attack that also deals fire damage and still allows him to attack a third time as a bonus action because he attacked with a melee weapon. And he has 18 AC with 67 HP ... at level 7. I love my bonking, thank you!
I haven't even played every class yet but I've played three fighters because you can build them in so many different ways
Battlemaster (base game)who is an experience soldier knowing all the Tricks , Rune Knight (Tasha) Bugbear with a reach weapon to attack everything in a 5 mile radius, Echoknight (WIldmount) who can be fucking everywhere (his echo can move on its own and he can switch places with it if he want so he could stay at home let the ecoho travel and then just switch at the target) or my current favorit Graftknight (Aetherra) build your own monster Starterpack.
@@TalesStahl My current fighter is an eldritch knight and let me tell you it's much better than it looks, the spells shield and absorb elements make you the best tank and you can get Fey Touched feat to learn Misty Step and Hex, two bonus action spells specifically good for martials that you can now cast as long as you have spell slots (not only once a day). It is so much more synergic that one might think.
One thing I like about warriors is the amount of feats you can get, and that helped me make one of the best builds of my life, because that's how the fiddler of death was born, A warrior with brutal combat builds, and the ability to play music, better than a bard.
Thank you for representing fighters like me, maneuvers are actually very useful, and always catches non fighters off guard
LOL
@@mrossknesalty
mald :)
"at level 20..."
Yeah, at the level you become a demigod
The really crazy thing, thanks to how the rules are written, the eldritch knight is the only class that can cast two fireballs in one turn
Edit: to address a common response, this is not a claim that fighters are the best class or that multiclassed spellcasters with a 2 level dip into fighters can’t do the same, this is a response to the claim being addressed in the video “fighters are basic.
Multiclassing is an optional feature that must have DM approval. Yes, most DMs accept it, but it’s not a guarantee, and some don’t allow it. In those circumstances, the eldritch knight is the only class that can do this.
In regards to multiclassing, it’s still a fighter feature giving that unique aspect to the spell caster, which is the point of the video, you can’t call something basic if it’s providing that unique function to your character.
And yes, I know spellcasters do more damage at high levels, that’s their appeal. I’m not talking which class does the most damage, and I don’t pick fighters because they do the most damage. I pick them because it’s the class I have the most fun with.
No, there's a rule for that. You can cast only one spell per turn. That rule doesn't count cantrips as spells though, so you could Eldritch Blast 3 times per turn using Quickened Spell and Action Surge, which would amount to 12 attacks per one turn on lvl 20 (8 per turn after spending AS), with every one capable of triggering some blast-associeted invocation. Soo... 12d10+60 DMG and you are blasted away by 120 feet from me, and my range is 600 feet due to Spell Sniper and Eldritch Spear. How's that sword treating ya?
@@malrok5452 not the rule, the rule is “if you use your action to cast a spell, you can use your bonus action to cast a cantrip.” Action surge gives you two actions, so you can use your two actions to cast a spell and your bonus action to cast a cantrip.
@@malrok5452 This is actually a commonly misconcepted rule. If you cast a leveled spell using your action, you cant use your bonus action to do this. Vice versa. But if you get extra actions, like with action surge, you can cast multiple leveled spells in one turn. Action surge is the only way to cast 2 leveled spells
@@malrok5452 you know, for someone who's wrong, you do have an awful lot of confidence. Try rereading the PHB every now and then, if you want to argue with people about its rules on the internet
Can't a sorcerer do this with a quickened spell?
Basic aint so bad. Yknow what else is basic? The concrete foundation under your house. Its essentially just a big solid rock that does one thing: stop your house from collapsing. Fighter is the same. A consistent, solid rock that does one thing: stops the party from collapsing. He might not be the one to do truly crazy stuff or pull you out of a bad situation, no. He's the one who stops a situation from getting worse again and again
Fighter can actually make 10 attacks using subclasses(either eldritch knight for haste, or Battle master for using riposte by forcing an attack of opportunity from the enemy, it probably works with other subclasses but I don't care about them as much)
0:17 NO ! I WANT MORE ! I NEEEEEEED MORE !
I can't wait for Dragonborn puberty to come in the next year
Checking in from next year, it still isn't next week.
Even better, 9 is not the limit. If the dm allows echo knight, you get more attacks.
Even if they don't, there's still the Samurai. As long as they have advantage from an external source, like say the enemy is prone, a dual wielding samurai can get 10 attacks at level 20. 8 from the 2 actions, bonus action attack, and one more from rapid strike.
As someone whose first D&D character was an Eldritch Knight Fighter, I can confirm that being able to cast magic AND _bOnK_ in the same turn at LEVEL 3-without even using an Action Surge-is indeed mind-blowing
(I'll never forget my first Lightning Lure + longsword combo; partly 'cuz it interrupted a villain's monologuing...)
Also, we're never gonna get that video on "Dragonborn Puberty" are we?
You mean at level 7?
My bad
And thanks for the correction @@JulfyJD
(it's been waaaaayyy too long since I've last played a fighter, much less D&D...)
And that's not even mentioning:
Echo Knight: Create a shadow clone to do cool stuff
Rune Knight: Passive bonuses from runes, and also grow really big
Psi Warrior: Psychic
Cavalier: Ride a horse and be really good at defending the party
Purple Dragon Knight/Banneret: A support oriented fighter with some cool skill related stuff
Top tier comedy as usual. 10/10
On an unrelated note: *BURN IT DOOOOWWWNNN!!!*
I thought I was the only one who noticed the hat
I have only played two D&D campaigns to date. I played a wizard for the first campaign that lasted 3 years and took me to level 18. An amazing campaign that ran for 30 sessions. I am now playing a fighter in my second campaign and every time the DM tries to do something against me I blow the mind of the DM because I made sure I had an amazing wisdom save. I often do things in the game that makes it so hard for the DM because the DM expects normal fighter stuff to come from me that does not happen. I love playing a fighter. In other words you can make the fighter as you wish.
With my group of friends we have a joke that goes like these:
You want to cast spells but have high hp? Be a caster? No. Be a fighter
You want to shoot arrows? Be a ranger? No. Be a fighter
You want to attack a lot using your fist? Be a monk? No. Be a fighter.
You want to be a fighter? Be a barbarian
Can that actually work?
Yes and yes@@aidenlegobatman
Especially when Barb only bonk.
and throws
@@aidenlegobatman yep
Faster bonking does not mean they're less basic... BUT there's something fighter can do with their insane action economy. Grappling + shove + a combination of the two + rune knight fighter + going unarmed + skill expert athletics and huge strenght. By level 11 when a dragon tries to descend to hit you, you can grapple it with a +13 athletics check ( making its speed 0 ), shove it ( making it prone-locked ). What happens if you do not have success? try again with your other two attacks. You can become large, grappling even huge creatures ( two of them ), by level 18 you can grapple gargantuan creatures... and they cannot use legendary resistance to pass the grapple because it's an ability check and not a saving throw. You can almost reliably remove some creatures huge mobility AND if you have someone that can cast silence, you can even lock powerful spellcasters from doing anything at all. No control spell in the game can do the same control a fighter does from level 11 onwards.
The whole reason I love Warlock, tbh, is that it's basically (no pun intended) a magic-fighter. The beauty of both classes is that if you don't know what to do because you are a daydreamer and your mind wandered off somewhere into the ether while someone was peppering the DM with questions then reading their entire list of wizard spells to figure out what to do, when someone finally calls you back to reality you don't have to emulate previous player and take up a ton of time. You can just MAGIC BONK (aka Eldritch Blast) and it is basically never a bad call.
Even better is Celestial, because you can top up the health of anyone who's low, too.
Literally my favorite (atm) character to play is a arcane archer fighter with very minor homebrew (changed the amount of shots to 2+pb). He uses guns as his weapons and is played like an old fashioned gunslinger. Without him yhe party would've died about 4 or 5 times now from him being able to get infromt of people and soak up the damage. Fighter is a great class
Nice, I enjoy playing arcane archer as well, but it does seem silly that by default they only get two uses of arcane shot per rest, adding pb to that means a gradual progression and a bit more combat versatility.
lol, hitpoint damage. yeah, you're definitely a martial player.
2nd or 3rd edition back in the day my buddies father told us how he took down a dragon with daggers using a fighter with dagger focus and magical bracers that produced daggers. When you’re throwing multiple daggers faster than a machine gun… you might be a dangerous individual.
Don't worry, Ad-barian. It sounds like Lady Draconia is still available for a date.
Additionally, the Eldritch Knight, the Fighter subclass that can learn spells, can cast two spells per turn utilizing Action Surge. As such, at lvl 13 with the ability to cast 3rd lvl spells, an Eldritch Knight Fighter can cast the Fireball spell TWICE per turn, making every Wizard die of 1d4 Weeping with Fireball Jealousy damage!
Battle Masters are freaking insane. Liam is proving that quite handily with Orym right now.
His character seems the weakest mechanically to me 😂 His RP on the other hand is "heads and tails" above the rest of the crew though.
Another cool thing about Fighters is how insanely customizable they are. With all the levels they have where they get either an Ability Score Increase or a Feat, you can make ANY type of character you want.
My favorite example of this is the historical figure Julius Caesar. He may have been a Human Fighter, but he pumped his Charisma score every chance he got! Add the Feat 'Skill Expert' and turn your proficiency with Persuasion into EXPERTISE and he could pretty much talk his way out of anything!
Pirates kidnap you for ransom? Tell them that you are insulted by how low their price for you was. Befriend them. Tell them you're gonna crucify them later but they take it as a joke!
DM: Your soldiers are on strike and they want to retire. What do you do?
Caesar: I call them 'citizens'.
DM: That's it?!
Caesar: Yes. But in a demeaning way, like they've become demoted.
DM: *Sighs* It somehow works.
It got so bad that the DM had to ambush him with several senators (who were all high level rogues suddenly) AND had him killed by his favorite NPC Brutus! Truly, a crazy life for a 'Basic Human Fighter'.
P.S. The French Revolution was a champaign that was derailed by a party of Murder Hobos, and the DM had to bring the Julius Caesar player to clean up the mess. Hopefully his new character, Napoleon, won't get too wild.
Fighters don't have to be basic, it's just that the other classes come with built-in roleplay opportunities, but not the fighter, so you need to come up with them yourself
I played a Tabaxi cavalier fighter with a camel mount in a one shot a couple months ago. Quickly realized that tight spaces are not designed for a large mount so I couldn’t take advantage of the subclass features or Mounted Combatant feat as well as I wanted to but she was still very fun to play.
I was waiting for him to turn his hat
Was not disappointed
I have a love-hate relationship with the fighter class. I like the mental image I have when I play one but by far and the most unused mechanics/actions become the fighters playground. Funny thing the grapple, shove, trip, and strike all fall under the "attack action". So with extra attack and action surge you can trip and grapple with your first 2 attacks, action surge to attack with advantage. While on the enemy's turn they have to use their full action you try and break out or stay on the ground and attack with disadvantage. I believe monks can do this too with main action grapple or trip/shove and flurry of blows as a bonus action
If a lvl 20 fighter gets hit with haste and duel wields, they can do 10 attacks. And since they get two uses of action surge(both can’t be used on the same turn), they can do two turns of 10 attacks each. And if you use champion fighter, that means you have a decently high chance of having multiple crits.
Let me introduce you to level 20 champion fighter with a longbow, elven accuracy, sharphooter, piercer and a wizard in the party. ~In my case rolled stats helped since I could also take magic initiate for Hex~
Better off with Samurai at that point. Same chance to crit, but more chance to hit in general, and forget dual wielding since you're using your Bonus action for advantage anyway; instead just use beeg weapon for beeg GWM bonus. Hehehehe....
And yes it's the same number of attacks, just two of them don't have advantage instead. Still a net gain
"The fighter is valuable if the wizard wastes spell slots making him relevant!"
@@mrosskne You called supporting your teammate a "wastes" ? I feel bad for other players at your table.
@@silly118 Yes, it is a waste, because with that spell slot you could have ended the encounter. Now, instead, the fight will likely last several rounds, and in each one, your party members have a chance of being critically hit. Great job.
Using One DnD before the Warrior classes UA is out;
A dual wielding samurai can do 22 attacks during one of their turns at level 18, provided they drop below 0 hp after the 11th. 20 of those attacks are with advantage. Haste makes the total 24.
This has been my unprompted powerbuild for the day. Check my reply for details.
At 18th level:
Bonus action Fighting Spirit (Samurai Subclass) grants advantage on all attacks for that turn,
4 attacks (3 extra attacks at lvl 18 since class capstones are moved),
+1 Dual Wield (OneDnD when you make an attack with a one-handed light weapon, you may make an attack with a light weapon in your offhand as part of the attack action),
+1 Rapid Strike (Samurai Subclass, forgo advantage on one attack to make another attack as part of that attack action once per turn)
Action Surge, 4 attacks, +1 Dual Wield (11 total).
Move to take Attack of Opportunity, fall/environmental damage, or target self with one attack > Drop below 0hp -
Strength before Death (Samurai Subclass, If you take damage that reduces you to 0 hit points and doesn’t kill you outright, you can use your reaction to delay falling unconscious, and you can immediately take an extra turn, interrupting the current turn.)
2nd turn (interrupts, not ends the 1st turn, meaning legendary actions cannot be used)
Bonus action Fighting Spirit, 4 attacks, +1 Dual Wield,+1 Rapid Strike | Action Surge, 4 attacks, +1 Dual Wield (11 total).
Total - 22 (not including one possible AoO reaction after 2nd turn, 20 with Advantage).
Add haste for 2 more attacks.
Going from AD&D to 5E I was blown away by all the abilities the fighter has. How could people think it's basic? What abilities do the other classes get??
1st level : Color Spray. Nothing the fighter can do compares.
3rd level : Glitterdust. Nothing the fighter can do compares.
5th level : Haste. Nothing the fighter can do compares.
7th level : Black Tentacles. Nothing the fighter can do compares.
9th level : Teleport. Nothing the fighter can do compares.
11th level : Planar Binding. Nothing the fighter can do compares.
13th level : Plane Shift. Nothing the fighter can do compares.
15th level : Irresistible Dance. Nothing the fighter can do compares.
17th level : Shapechange. Nothing the fighter can do compares.
@@mrosskneYou can copy paste that all you want, have fun taking a long rest while the Fighters can still keep going for another 3 combats
@@QuantemDeconstructor You mean die, because without magic you have no ability to fight level appropriate opposition.
@@mrosskne lmao they won't die because they have better proficiencies for saves and a hit die that's almost twice that of a Wizard's, meaning far more hp than Wizards get on average, not to mention significantly better AC due to armor proficiencies and dex being a more desirable stat for Fighter, unless your DM lets you long rest after almost every difficult encounter Fighters have more long term value, especially in the early levels
@@QuantemDeconstructor Monster attack rolls and damage scale faster than the fighter's, and again, without magic, you have no way to defend against the monsters' many at will abilities that prevent you from being able to do anything, and you have no way to overcome their defenses. You don't understand the game and you've never played at a high level.
For anyone interested, there's a really cool Homebrew called Alternative Fighter, that gives fighters a lot more options and buffs them a bit to be more interesting.
Slightly warmer than room temperature take: fighter isn’t the best class for beginners, barbarians are. A decent number of fighter’s subclasses are complex, especially the newer ones. Eldritch and Echo Knight especially, with the first having you deal with about half of the wizard’s spell list and the latter being so mechanically confusing even veterans sometimes get it wrong. Hell, you also have to read through pages upon pages of feats. Barbarian? Rage. Reckless. Attack. Done. What should new player play? Literally any barbarian except battlerager or berserker. What if they literally don’t want to think about anything? Bear totem.
Berserker is literally the only subclass of Barb that is new player friendly, though. They should always play Berserker first because the only thing it gets for its entire 20 levels is literally Rage. That's it. Just Rage. Sure, you can claim the Rage it gets is "special" because it gives you Exhaustion, but seeing as how most DMs don't use Exhaustion in their games, Frenzy is literally just... Rage. It's just the base level one class, and that's it. There's nothing "subclass" about it. And that's what makes it the easiest.
The other Barb subclasses require more thought, which is terrible for new players. They shouldn't be forced to think when they're just starting out. They have to see what D&D is like before truly thinking it through
@@nyxnightmare3542 berserker is bad specifically because it draws the exhaustion mechanic out which is a) an extreme cost that is difficult to use more than once a day and b) a mechanic that most DMs don’t use like you said. If you’re allowing frenzy without exhaustion (which I agree is a good fix if an alternative downside is presented like limiting it to lasting CON mod turns after activation), you’re running it homebrew. For the easiest experience, Totem Barb with Bear option. Some out of combat utility through lv6 ability and ritual casting, really good survivability against almost everything (which is a good safety net for new players), and otherwise it’s just a barbarian that’s harder to kill.
I feel like that 6 seconds extends when you're swinging your sword/mace/axe/Halberd into the poor sod who found himself on the receiving end of the fighter's malice
I have two fighters in my group which were horrified to find the first encounter of the campaign was with enemies which had natural slashing immunity.
One of the fighters was literally just punching the jelly he was fighting because he only had a greataxe 🤣
That's why a fighter should always plan for all contingencies in combat. Like in a FP2e game I played in I was a fighter, got put up against skeletons, my preferred weapons are a bow and hatchet (hand axe), thankfully I also carried a shield. So, seeing as how I was causing little damage with my melee and ranged, I did what any sensible fighter would do, AND BEAT THE HECK OUT OF THEM WITH THE SHIELD!
@@gilessaint-loup2426 nice
In the campaign I was part of I played a wizard and just walked up to the jellies and thunder waved one of the into a wall causing it to instantly die
While the two fighters couldn't do anything 🤣
@@mrseaweed88 It sounds like your DM is just a dick to those players.
And what did you (as a dm) learn from this?
In Ben 10: Omniverse, Ben's partner *Rook Blonko* is a member of an alien species that has a tail at birth, but loses it during puberty.
This is pretty good to hear. I want to make a fighter that's based off a Spartan (the Greek Spartans, not Master Chief, and the *actual* Greek Spartans, not based on the movie).
Except the ones in history actually wear armor
Can't wait for next week
Ok, NOW I want to play a high level fighter who dual wields whips…
the fights are about to start sounding like an episode of Johnny Test
Fighter was my first character in DnD and i had an absolute blast
"Stop it with the dragonborn puberty! We're saving that for next week."
"This is the LONGEST next week of my life!"
And we, the audience, are grateful for it.
I feel like this was written directly to me. Well done. You passed the test.
Saying a Fighter is basic is kinda equivalent to calling the Cleric a healer.
YES! SOMEONE FINALLY TELLS IT ALL ABOUT ELDRITCH KNIGHT!
Fighters can bonk in multiple ways. Sometimes I like this basic class. :D
I play Fighters because I don't want to micromanage a spell list and suddenly become super squishy because I can't attack anything and have only clothes for armor
Idk why it was so painful to watch him keep grabbing the hat and never turning it
3:34 So can rogues with the arcane trickster subclass, even the barbarian gets some form of magic although it can't cast spells (Path of Wild Magic).
saying fighter is basic is strawman argument because technically all classes are what they are
for example rouge all they can do is steal stealh kill and unlock doors
you know rouge stuff
I’ve been playing fighter more lately. It’s actually quite versatile for the uses I’ve made my builds for. One of my favorite fighters I play is actually the party’s scholar. By that I mean they are good with arcana, history, insight (etc), have tons of languages and have tool proficiencies in painting, calligraphy, and forgery tools. This last part is actually how the party has so many spell scrolls. During a decent amount of downtime I’ll sit down each member with spellcasting and have them work with me in creating important scrolls for spells they may not always keep prepared and/or that we might need more uses of than we have spell slots for. Like revivify or cure wounds or gentle repose. Heck, I one time stocked us up with “rations” by having our npc druid friend make Goodberry scrolls with me, and all because paper weighed less than rations and so we got more “rations” this way since the ranger could use those scrolls (it’s on their spell list). Party thought I was crazy at first for doing this, until we ran out of rations and I started handing these scrolls over to the ranger. And thats just one thing I have done. Being a tank and frontliner is important for my group, true, but its the leeway of that which let me jump off a platform and onto the back of a black dragon we were fighting to grapple its wing and make it crash to the ground. I used action surge to actually make sure I got some stabbing in too. Heck, I've used action surge to get clear across a battlefield and catch an escaping enemy. People forget that you can use that action surge to dash or disengage too. And I'm not even into subclasses nor have I covered what the Indomitable feature does yet. Depending on how you build, you can do a lot with a fighter. Heck, I can even keep up with some of our spellcasters for damage with my Samurai subclass, a subclass that gives my weapon attacks advantage for the rest of my turn…all of them…including the action surge one. And if I can combine that with a Haste spell? Yeah, this means more guaranteed hits. Oh! But one of my two favorite parts of the Samurai subclass (because I enjoy rp a lot) is the courtier feature. This does two things, one, it dumps your wisdom modifier into your persuasion skill (which can be an amazing combo if you also take proficiency in insight) but also provides you with proficiency in WISDOM saving throws, one of the most valuable of saving throws alongside Dex and Con saving throws (with con being one of the ones you automatically get from the class). Oh! And let’s not forget that temp hp you can get from each time you use the fighting spirit subclass feature (which is no joke if you frontline), which, remember, is the same feature that allows advantage for all weapon attacks that turn.
But let’s put that aside and talk about Eldritch Knight. Remember the con saving throws part? Those help in spells too and the eldritch knight is your spellcaster fighter subclass, from the wizard spell list in fact, which, I’ll remind all, is one of the most versatile spell lists and even has some amazing sword based cantrips that combine beautifully with a fighter and packing on the damage, damage that can be increased that entire turn with an action surge. Heck, you can just cast with that action surge too!
But let’s get to the one of the most difficult but definitely is the embodiment of the versatility of the fighter subclass, the battlemaster fighter. This is one of the complex ones due to its maneuvers but also, the most powerful I’d argue, enough so that there is a feat and a fighting style to actually allow you to acquire some of these maneuvers outside the subclass itself. I cannot cover the amount of things you can do with this subclass here due to just the variety you can get and it works! Like all these maneuvers, if you get the rhythm of them, are amazing at helping you play in whatever style you build for and can really make you feel cool. I’ve seen a variety of builds come from this one, from dex builds that just get more evasive, commander builds, tank builds, disarming builds, grapple builds, mounted builds, etc. The list goes one. In fact, if you check Tasha’s you’ll actually find some suggestions for certain builds that list manuever combos you can take. Like I said, the battle master embodies the best part of fighter, which is the versatility of how you build.
Honestly a lot of the subclasses are amazing and the variations in fighting styles are nothing to sneeze at either. Indomitable letting you reroll a failed saving throw is great too and something rare to have for any other class, and you can play just however you wish. But let’s also give some love to the fact that you can use any weapon you come across, any armor you could get, and all the skills you can choose from right out the gate. But also, let’s also not forget two other amazing things. That hit dice! It’s a D10 and, combined with the second wind feature (which only uses a bonus action!) can get your fighter healed up that much more and keep them up that much longer. Oh and I’m not done. Did you know this class gets more chances for asi? No other class has this. This means, if you use the optional rule for feats, more chances for feats! And even if you don’t, it means you have more ability to spread out your stats and still be effective because you have more chances to increase those stats than any other class. Heck! The fact that you can get the asi at both level 4 (the normal time) and level 6(!) means you get enough of these early in the game that it’s going to be effective for most campaigns (since most campaigns usually don’t go very far into later levels, like past 10 or 15). This means you can build early on how you want and have that up and running quite a bit faster than most other subclasses.
Anyway, yeah, check out fighter. I know I sound excited about this but I really do want people to give it a chance and a bit of imagination on creative ways to use these abilities because it really rewards that gameplay. Plus, even when the spellcasters run out of slots or there is anti magic going on, you can bet your fighter can still smack things around. Frontlining isn’t always about smack things really hard (though it does that well too) but also keeping an enemies attention away from the squishies and forcing them to deal with you (and is one of the major reasons sentinel is such a good feat for this class, since, once up close, it doesn’t really let the enemy get away).
I will admit that fighter isn’t my number 1 favorite class but it’s definitely up there with my top ones and I have had a blast playing as one. Samurai is probably my favorite but I have talked to plenty who also had fun in the other subclasses I mentioned and also rune knight, champion, cavalier (yes, it’s quite good if you set aside the name), and psi warrior. To say nothing also of Matt Mercer’s Echo knight which can be a killer combo for many multiclass builds (especially the soulknife rogue, I’m told).
Anyway, I wish you all many fun games! May your adventures be amazing and your bag of holding have many healing potions (and not be a bag of devouring).
Fighters aren’t even the best classes at fighting. WotC explain
And Warlocks aren't even the best classes at war.
Your point being?
@@hypermaeonyx4969 not what warlock means?
Also yeah they are. They have the most spell slots per day to spam fight ending control spells with, they can turn a battle field asunder with their raw aoe damage as well. Optimal for a war setting honestly. Source: having played one for a war on a living world they’re amazing.
@@nonenone-hv5iq Oh wow, nice.
*But Warlocks aren't even good at picking locks*
@@hypermaeonyx4969 well with the knock spell…
Insane combo: Matt Mercer’s Spelldriver feat + 11th level fighter + war caster feat.
As a larper with a background in martial arts, 9 attacks in 6 seconds is totally feasible if you’re trained. Fluidity of movement is realistic and important.
Also, battlemaster fighters are cracked at higher levels. And at level 9 you get Indomitable. Not to mention, count ‘em with me… 7 ASIs
My first character was a paladin/champion fighter multiclass. Crit on 18+ and smites were amazing
Sure the mage can take out an entire room with a burst of flame and the hunter can take out the eye of an orc from 300 yards... but when the mage runs out of spells and the hunter runs out of arrows GUESS WHO'S STILL KICKING ASS!!!
No one, all the enemies are dead by that point....
(kidding)
By time a wizard has run out of spells the fighter has long since run out of HP, so...
The Hunter, "You only use an arrow once? I either reclaim them to my quiver never seems to run out and its not even magical."
@@lauraw2526 you're not wrong A fight typically is over long before the others run out of their abilities. Where the fighter's ability to keep going full-speed is after you've gone through several encounters without taking a rest. This falls on the DM to actually push the limits of the party so that everyone can have their moment to shine.
If a (good) class isn't showing its potential, it's often the DM's fault for not providing them the opportunity, imo.
@@faolan2174 I completely agree with this. A good dm understands how the players want to play and sets up scenarios that work to everyone’s strengths(at least at some point, if not every time.)
Battle master trip attack. If you trip them on the first attack, advantage for the remaining attacks that turn.
Samurai can literally just give themselves advantage for the turn, they can turn one of those advantage attacks to a straight roll to gain an extra attack meaning the used example turns from 9 to 10 attacks.
The wildmount echo knight can create duplicates and at third level can do "You can heighten your echo’s fury. Whenever you take the Attack action, you can make one additional melee attack from the echo’s position" which can be used a number of times equal to your charisma modifier. So two attack actions of 4 attacks becomes 5 each, plus the bonus action off hand for 11 attacks.
Add haste in there and non-samurai and non-echo knights can ramp up to 10 attacks, samurai to 11, echo knights to a wallopping 13 as Haste's extra action to attack is still considered an attack action albeit at restricted one extra attack normally.
Hot take: Literally ALL classes are basic in one way or another, and it's up to you as a player to make a character that evolves past just what their class is to become something better than basic.
martial cope
@@mrosskne Uninspired cope.
@@dragonix8527 lol seething
@@mrosskne Not really. Your insults are grade school level. Your need to be a dick to strangers on the internet reminds me of a teenager. You need better hobbies. Apparently D&D isn't scratching that itch.
@@mrosskneGet some better bait material, i had to sit through 5+ boring uninteresting replies trying to get people to "change their tastes"
And you know what? Fine. I'll reply. I'll make you feel like you're getting attention. screw you.
As someone whose most OP character was a dex-based Eldridge Knight Archery fighter, she came in clutch during some of our most dangerous fights. She could misty step to get in closer, fight both up-close and from afar, and had a hard time getting hit.
Between sharpshooter, spell slinger, and a few extra things she came with, she worked in any situation that was ever needed.
Fighters may be basic, but they can get OP real fucking fast with the right setup.