Canon RF 800mm f/11 Early Struggles & the Solution! 4K

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  • @DocBoA
    @DocBoA 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Rented this combination for his week. That focus ring tip is golden

  • @maniacalgrinakalefty5748
    @maniacalgrinakalefty5748 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you so much for this video! That lens ring placement has totally messed me up and I couldn't figure out what I was doing wrong. Tested over and over again on tripod and timer, perfect. Handheld in field, repeated intermittent fails. Now I know why. You are AWESOME, Phil!! Thanks again!

    • @PhilThach
      @PhilThach  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you!

  • @p_adam19
    @p_adam19 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    There is a setting in the AF menu called Lens Electronic AF, so it can be disengaged (sometimes it is useful to override without using the AF/MF switch, so it is also possible to use two custom modes with different settings).

    • @cannello7719
      @cannello7719 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks Padam I wondered why I didn't have manual focus on my 800mm f11

  • @donh4907
    @donh4907 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Super head-on shots of the GB Heron and the Osprey! I have a 3 inch Arca Swiss tripod plate from Kirk Photo on my 800, so I never touch the focus ring unless it is intentional. The plate rest in my left hand. Thus have never had the problem you experienced. The plate lets me put the lens on a gimble or attach a Kirk Photo quick release from the lens to a Black Rapid shoulder strap for walking around. Love the 800 and often use the RF 1.4 Extender (at f16!!).

    • @PhilThach
      @PhilThach  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have attached an Arca Swiss plate to mine now, it’s not 3 inch but it eliminated my problem much like yours did. Thanks for watching the video, Don!

  • @InfectedChris
    @InfectedChris 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Some great shots of those herons! But, I really liked that lone black vulture the best.

    • @PhilThach
      @PhilThach  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you, Chris I think that might’ve been my favorite one in this video as well.

  • @coastalbay4k
    @coastalbay4k 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great review Phil. Got the RF 600mm f/11 a few days ago and absolutely love it. I was surprised how sharp the lens is for video👍

    • @PhilThach
      @PhilThach  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That is awesome! And thank you. I’ve made a few video clips of wildlife and I think that’s gonna be a really big strength for this series of lenses. Thanks for watching!

  • @ses4vols
    @ses4vols 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the review. Looks like a great lens in bright light.

    • @PhilThach
      @PhilThach  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      So far so good. On Thursday I found myself shooting in really dark areas and my ISO was well into the five digit realm. Fortunately the R6 is pretty good in low light and Topaz DeNoise took care of the rest.

  • @harshvardhanrane198
    @harshvardhanrane198 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sir,
    If you use back button focus, you can hold the lens anywhere(focus ring).

    • @PhilThach
      @PhilThach  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Agreed, however, if you throttle the focus and try to let it reacquire after an initial miss having your hand on the focus ring can cause problems.

  • @horolographer1
    @horolographer1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for sharing about the method to avoid the AF freezing up. Most appreciated!

  • @BillF49
    @BillF49 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Received my RF600 today and squeezed off a few rounds. I'm used to using Canon's 200-400 w/ built in 1.4 extender which is an outstanding lens, so I was surprised that I liked the image sharpness that came from this (relatively) cheap glass. Still playing, but definitely impressed. Let me add that using the RF600 with my Canon R5, when I am pushing the AF-ON button, the lens' manual focus ring is disabled. Only when not depressing the AF-ON button did the manual focus ring work. I was unable to duplicate the problem that you experienced.

    • @PhilThach
      @PhilThach  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I believe mine works the same way. I tend to throttle the AF button if a camera is failing to find focus and during that process is when I think I had troubles. Interesting that you picked the 600. I can't quite get my head around that but I'm seeing many respected photographers chose it so there must be a good reason.

    • @BillF49
      @BillF49 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@PhilThach No good reason other than my 100-500 order is still on backorder (B&H). That and the 800mm is out of stock everywhere. The only thing available was the 600. I purchased it thinking it a toy and that's why I'm surprised that it is as sharp as it is.

    • @PhilThach
      @PhilThach  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@BillF49 Understood.

    • @PhilThach
      @PhilThach  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BillF49 I've been spreading my buying dollars around. My canon gear has come from B&H, Allen's, Canon's Website, Amazon and more. I buy from whereever I can find a lens in stock. I even picked up my 70-200 from a place called Murphy's camera. It and Allen's don't charge sales tax which is nice.

    • @BillF49
      @BillF49 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@PhilThach Thanks. I'll expand my search.

  • @fylphotography9269
    @fylphotography9269 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One struggle I've found is that the stabilization is too aggressive and tries to fight my panning movements. The manual suggests there is panning detection (not mentioned on the spec sheet) but maybe I need to move a certain speed and the IBIS of the R5/R6 may also be fighting it. Something like a fast swimming duck is a struggle to get keepers (turning off IS helps with sharper shots but I risk blurring the horizontal axis too).
    I have a gripe with the "suppress low frame rate" feature. After I do a "quick take" video, it unchecks the suppress option, causing my live view feed to drop to 30fps. Canon says there may be worse autofocus and input lag if I have suppression turned on, but I've found it easier to follow my subjects.
    I also find that for flying birds in low light or backlit conditions, the fac/eye tracking AF mode(with eye AF on or off) is not as good as using the zone AF modes, though those AF modes further reduce the AF area (I'm not sure why it couldn't use the full square area of face/eye tracking AF).

    • @PhilThach
      @PhilThach  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      This is a very interesting and thought-provoking comment. Thank you.

  • @MCCRITTERS
    @MCCRITTERS 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for sharing your experience and tip with the focus ring. I have one on order, can't wait to try it out here in Ohio.

    • @PhilThach
      @PhilThach  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You’re very welcome and thanks for watching! I have learned that moving the focus ring only is a problem when you’re not pressing the autofocus button. Sometimes I will release from auto focus if the camera is having trouble focusing because the bird is in thick brush. This is when having your hand on the manual focus ring causes the trouble.

  • @gnphoto21
    @gnphoto21 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Maybe Canon will redesign that lens and move focusing ring. We have 2 places close to Chicago known for Great Blue Herons, Skokie Lagoons to the north and Lake Katherine to the south. If you ever visit Chicago...

    • @PhilThach
      @PhilThach  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I put an arca Swiss plate on it yesterday so I could put it on the tripod to make some video clips and when I took the camera off of the tripod I found myself holding it by that plate which was better. Thanks for the tip, I may get back to Chicago one day.

  • @josephkarpinski9586
    @josephkarpinski9586 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Noticed for stationary subjects you’re still shooting at shutter 1/2000s. If your R camera has custom settings like the Canon R5/R6,
    try assigning a single AF point with shutter speeds like 800, 500, 320 etc to lower the ISO. Can give some great shots.
    Give it a try and see what works for you.

    • @markrigg6623
      @markrigg6623 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The world is full of soft, noise free wildlife photos. Make sure to get sharp shots with a high shutter speed first. Then, if its appropriate, try a lower iso. But remember, you're shooting moving targets, even though they appear stationary so there's a high probability of getting motion blur. All a birds got to do is move its head and the photo will be soft. So you're doing the right thing with the shutter speed.

  • @richardwhite1034
    @richardwhite1034 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent observation! I was having the same issues. Thank you! Such a simple thing. :)

    • @PhilThach
      @PhilThach  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you! I've mounted an arca-swiss plate on mine and now I hold the lens by that plate and find that I bump into the focus ring less often.

  • @dannydanquah3681
    @dannydanquah3681 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I picked up one today and can't wait to test it tomorrow.

    • @PhilThach
      @PhilThach  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's awesome! I hope you enjoy your as much as I do mine!

  • @adrianalfordphotography
    @adrianalfordphotography 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Got some nice shots Phil. Yeah thatabummer about where you can hold it comfortably and that’s the manual focus. How are you finding the colors compared to Nikons? Thanks for sharing the video 👍🙏

    • @PhilThach
      @PhilThach  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Colors are fine. I don’t notice them being worse or better. Both systems are fine and can be fixed in Lightroom. The things I miss from Nikon are more like the 20 second timer and I love the video/still switch on my Z6 & z50.

  • @dennishurley6045
    @dennishurley6045 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Phil great vlog, like you I bought the RF 800 and as you say the manual override ring is a proper pain,I've just bought a neoprene camo wrap and hey presto no problem, it fits so snug it completely prevents any movement, love the lens but it'll be interesting to see how it performs here in the UK October onwards into winter, keep up the great work.

    • @PhilThach
      @PhilThach  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you, Dennis! I hope you enjoy your 800!

  • @martinbreslow1401
    @martinbreslow1401 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dave Kelly has videos on Topaz Sharpen AI where he takes his slightly out-of-focus pictures and sharpens them. You might be able to do something with Denoise AI to improve them.

    • @hstein27
      @hstein27 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sharpen AI has helped me out immensely. They have a bundle with Gigapixel and Denoise, which is worth getting. If I do super-tight crop I use Gigapixel and it adds so much more detail! The only downside to these AI programs is if the light isn't right, there can be some fringing and bleeding around the bird's head and beak. Check it out Phil!

  • @danham3344
    @danham3344 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just got mine today! Great info, great video! Thanks.

  • @Dappshots
    @Dappshots 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I was out yesterday using the 800mm F/11 and came home with a bunch of out of focus shots, and they were great BIF action. I was about ready to send it back to Amazon today but I think I was/am doing the same thing you pointed out about grabbing the MF ring all day long! Can't wait to go out and try it again. Thanks for the tip!!!

    • @PhilThach
      @PhilThach  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you, good luck!

    • @Chris_Wolfgram
      @Chris_Wolfgram 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yea, I'm glad I read about this, as when my rented one gets here in a couple days, I wanna give it a fair shake, by doing the most with it as possible. Fortunately, we have a really cool, very birdy spot litterally 3 miles,, and 8 minutes from the house ! Plan to take many thousands of shots, with all different settings, and I don't care if it's of super common birds either ! 👍

  • @smkunder1
    @smkunder1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Some great results, especially at some higher ISO’s.

  • @Eli4Bill
    @Eli4Bill 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great images Phil! You are really figuring out how to best use the lens, and still only a couple of days in. This will help save many of us time if we purchase this combination. Thanks!

    • @PhilThach
      @PhilThach  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks, Bill!

  • @patriciablyler6484
    @patriciablyler6484 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have been intently watching your videos with the Canon R5 because I’m thinking of changing to either a Sony or Canon for wildlife which is mostly what I like to shoot. I was thinking of purchasing the Nikon Z7 ii in hopes they would be able to get the AF better with the firmware updates but now I’m thinking of changing to another system instead. Thanks for sharing your experiences with the Canon!

    • @PhilThach
      @PhilThach  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you, Patricia! Keep watching, I have many videos coming and I have been having more and more success with the camera and this lens specifically.

  • @melindawheeler4213
    @melindawheeler4213 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I rented this lens and I think I did what you did. This is the first time I’ve heard it mentioned. Thinking of giving it another chance.

    • @PhilThach
      @PhilThach  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have grown to really enjoy shooting with this Lens. It’s a little more difficult to get great results than many of the other RF lenses but I love the super long focal length and the extra light weight of it. I have six lenses now for my R6, and I have used this one more than any of them. Admittedly I have been in a bird photography mood. Thanks for watching, Melinda!

    • @melindawheeler4213
      @melindawheeler4213 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The 100-500 would be my first choice. Just for Fstop and focus distance etc. But it doesn’t fit my budget.
      I actually rented the 600 not 800. And it was amazing to be able to carry it for a long ways and hand hold. A tripod just isn’t feasible for most birds and wildlife in my opinion.

  • @Chris_Wolfgram
    @Chris_Wolfgram 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice :) .... and yes, that minimum focus distance is my biggest concern, but I'll see for myself in a few days when my rented one gets here. BTW, WITH that GBH, that is its tongue. It has had some sort of an injury which will not allow it to keep it in its mouth. There was a local GBH that had the same issue. I'm not sure if this will ever heal on its own, or how it will affect the survivability of the bird ? BTW, your examples starting at 2:45 are eye bleeding sharp ! WoW ! Has me stoked to be getting the RF 800 F11 in the next day or two :)

    • @PhilThach
      @PhilThach  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Agreed. A friend of mine photographed a GBH locally for well over a year that had a galvanized nail sticking out of its throat in every shot.

    • @Chris_Wolfgram
      @Chris_Wolfgram 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@PhilThach hey Phil, you might find this interesting... I had just rented the RF 100-500 + both TC's, and yes, it is a very nice lens, but no faster (with the TC's) that the RF 800 F11. After I sent it back, I actually went on and ordered the RF 800 F11 :) Of course it had a little to do with the huge price difference, but honestly, on my field testing with the RF 800 F11, I think I did slightly better ? Also, I have found one guy who is using the Photodiox RF extender tubes, and say it reduced his minimum focus distance quite a bit, with almost no PQ loss. Think I'm going to have to try that too.
      PS, @ 10:41 > "I may use it more for birding than I do my 100-500" ! That says it all right there ! Bottom line for me is, I just don't really need a zoom lens, 98% of the time. If I had the 100-500, it would stay pegged at 500mm, probably with TC's, as well.

  • @fasuego
    @fasuego ปีที่แล้ว

    Great review Phil !which method do you prefer to use with the canon r7 and the 800 lens /. manual or automatic ?

    • @PhilThach
      @PhilThach  ปีที่แล้ว

      I use either full manual or manual aperture and shutter speed with Automattic ISO depending on the situation.

  • @ashishkacholia1013
    @ashishkacholia1013 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi Phil, my pics with the R6 and 800 mm combo are just not as sharp as the 100-500. Any tips for getting images as sharp as yours? I would die to get images as sharp as yours

    • @PhilThach
      @PhilThach  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Honestly, my pictures with the 800 are not as sharp as the 100 to 500 either. I do have good luck using Topaz de noise AI as both my D noise program and my sharpening program, it produces amazing results. You need to start with a relatively sharp photo. I recommend taking lots and lots of photos and sharing only a few, just the best ones.

  • @forkintherode8236
    @forkintherode8236 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Kudos to Canon for making a lens that backyard birders can afford. I’m sure there will be refinements but nice work for initial practice with that lens.

  • @renesch438
    @renesch438 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just got the 600 version and it’s been really fun my hand doesn’t rest on the focus ring but it’s not an 800 either

    • @PhilThach
      @PhilThach  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I’ve been wondering about the 600, I’m glad you are enjoying yours.

  • @RVNmedic
    @RVNmedic 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You probably figured this out by now but I put a lens foot on it and support it there.

  • @axelgordes3051
    @axelgordes3051 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey, nice lense. Isn’t there a possibility for some grip or handle? Like a gun?

    • @PhilThach
      @PhilThach  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      There is a quarter 20 mount on the bottom and I have a arca Swiss plate on it now that I use to hold the lens.

  • @koloasurf2012
    @koloasurf2012 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Phil first thanks for making this video, i am struggling with his lens. The focus is always soft. Base on your setting I compare to my setting and I don’t get this kind of resolutions. How much editing do you have to do to get it this sharp.

    • @PhilThach
      @PhilThach  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you! Are use a program called Topez DeNoise AI. It is advertised as a noise reduction program but it does a really great job of sharpening photographs. Give it a try, I highly recommend it!

    • @donh4907
      @donh4907 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      My lens and buddy's lens make consistently sharp pics. I puzzled. I do use bean bags, other supports, breathing in, etc. - all tricks I got in the habit of using in the Old School days. Still at least half the shots are standing and relying on Image Stabilization.

  • @Photogal
    @Photogal 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for this. I struggle with clear photos. May I ask what AF MENU settings you have set to? So what af point style (spot/ one point, smiley face+tracking), eye detect on, one shot auto focus, animal detect, auto iso, those sorts of settings. My photos look blotchy and am really confused as to why. Do you have a video for best focus settings for wildlife and birds as well?

    • @PhilThach
      @PhilThach  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      For birds, I use Animal Eyedetect on my main back button focus, on the second button I use single point. I always use servo focus and never one-shot focus.

    • @Photogal
      @Photogal 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@PhilThach thank you so much for the prompt reply! I will keep trying.

    • @PhilThach
      @PhilThach  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Photogal You’re welcome, good luck!

  • @maxiguppy
    @maxiguppy 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    very cool video! Can R6 autofocus in 120fps mode?

    • @PhilThach
      @PhilThach  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you! I believe it can.

  • @BrianKushner
    @BrianKushner 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nikon allows you to shut off manual autofocus ring.

    • @PhilThach
      @PhilThach  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Indeed, so does canon I have learned. Since this time I've gotten much better at using this lens. I still leave the focus over ride active in case I need it. I've just learned not to hold the lens by the focus ring. Thanks for watching, Brian!

    • @bfs5113
      @bfs5113 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah, I have my 50 f/1.2 S focusing and control rings disabled because both are too sensitive, that may lead to unintentional error at the wrong time.

  • @jameslove1092
    @jameslove1092 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    19 feet thats one big step. Best regards from james in scotland.

  • @uncletater1097
    @uncletater1097 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Phil, I was curious as to if you have tried the Z5 at all? I have and LOVE the z50 but am looking for a sister camera to my z50 for me and my wife to switch and use for single portraits, couples portraits, landscape, nature and animal photography. Is it worth picking the z5 up? Or should I go for a z6? Or would Canon be something I should look into? Any kind of advice would be greatly appreciated!

    • @PhilThach
      @PhilThach  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I’ve never used the Z5 but I believe it to be a good camera. I think you’ll enjoy it or the Z6 especially because they operate very similarly to the Z 50 which you already own and enjoy. I like my Z6 quite a bit.

    • @uncletater1097
      @uncletater1097 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@PhilThach I appreciate it Phil!

    • @uncletater1097
      @uncletater1097 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@PhilThach also, do you have a blog or another website showcasing your work? Or anything else related?

    • @PhilThach
      @PhilThach  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I post some of my work on my Facebook photography page “Phil Thach photography“

  • @ponderingnugget
    @ponderingnugget 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Have you tried using extension tubes on the lens to reduce the minimum focus distance? I'm curious how well that would work.

    • @PhilThach
      @PhilThach  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I haven’t yet but I plan to at some point. The minimum focus distance doesn’t cause me problems often but when it does it’s pretty annoying.

    • @ponderingnugget
      @ponderingnugget 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@PhilThach I'm thinking a 35mm extension tube should bring the minimum focusing distance down to about 2 meters. that would be pretty useful. With a quality tube that has good autofocus contacts it might not affect the lens performance negatively. that could increase the versatility of the lens quite a bit.

    • @PhilThach
      @PhilThach  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ponderingnugget I agree, in fact I need to go right now and order some.

    • @ponderingnugget
      @ponderingnugget 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@PhilThach LOL, post back here if you do and let us all know how it goes.

  • @augusto_alves
    @augusto_alves 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well done!

  • @christopherrodriguez7223
    @christopherrodriguez7223 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    HI Phil is there any way to set that to off or do nothing? 'm sure you might have check already, but just offering anything up that might help.

    • @PhilThach
      @PhilThach  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It doesn’t seem to be giving me problems anymore and I haven’t changed any settings. 🤷🏻‍♂️

    • @christopherrodriguez7223
      @christopherrodriguez7223 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@PhilThach That’s fantastic bud you and Heather need to have a Nikon vs Cannon duel officially and then create a community poll for us to vote. Views/engagement/ and some good old fun.

    • @PhilThach
      @PhilThach  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@christopherrodriguez7223 can’t do that she will totally kick my butt. 😤

    • @christopherrodriguez7223
      @christopherrodriguez7223 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@PhilThach no editing allowed just jpegs 😁

  • @BillF49
    @BillF49 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Does the AF eyeball tracking work with that lens?

    • @PhilThach
      @PhilThach  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It does, not as well as on the 100-500 or 70-200 but it does work.

  • @mskreddy591
    @mskreddy591 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi, is it worth buying?

  • @davidlee7094
    @davidlee7094 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    On my R6 I can turn manual focus override off. Would it help with your problem?

    • @PhilThach
      @PhilThach  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think it probably would, thank you.

    • @phillawrence5576
      @phillawrence5576 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Tell us how?

    • @davidlee7094
      @davidlee7094 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@phillawrence5576 AF menu tab 4 and tab 5 have options to enable or disable manual focus override. Sorry I no longer have 600 or 800mm lenses to check this again. I will try it on RF 100-500 later today.

  • @jophoto934
    @jophoto934 ปีที่แล้ว

    Crap. I have to pay attention to see if I’m doing that.

  • @curtsuneson6161
    @curtsuneson6161 ปีที่แล้ว

    It says you sent a message

    • @PhilThach
      @PhilThach  ปีที่แล้ว

      I don't recall doing that.

  • @letsfindout6587
    @letsfindout6587 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The audio seems really low

    • @PhilThach
      @PhilThach  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Perhaps. Thank you.