My interpretation was that the Ruby made John's dream of a world without lies come true, and the time loop was a consequence of him needing everyone to stay in the diner long enough for their truths to come out. So the Ruby wasn't revealing everyone's dreams, just John's.
Yeah, because when he first uses the ruby on Bette, she is about to say "I wanted to make you feel good", but because John only believes in selfishness and evil, he makes her say "I wanted you to like me". Bette is not selfish, she is a selfless, caring person. John makes her selfish to reflect his own worldview. Dream points that out in his "not lies, dreams" speech to John
Just wanted to add one thing about episode 4 that I missed too on the first watch, when Dream says to Lucifer that people in hell dream of heaven, if you look at the expression on her face, she almost cries for a second, meaning that Dream is talking about Lucifer's dreams of returning to heaven so it is intensely personal. Also is amazing acting on the part of Gwendoline Christie
Lucifer is the biggest dreamer of them all, he dreams to escape the plans of God and it's creation, to literally go against and free himself from the most powerful being there is.
Not only that, but because (in this adaptation) each person actually *feels* the other's move, Dream actually forced Lucifer to feel hope. Possibly for the first time in eons. Which could explain why Lucifer decides to do something they've never done in eons, later on.
@@ShadowyFox_86 I've always liked Gwendolyn Christie in things, but what she did with her face within the span of one second there was some jaw-dropping acting.
I was really curious to see your reaction to this episode. To me, John had a child's understanding of truth, and a desire for everything to be simple and analog, on/off, black/white, lie/truth. And of course, "Honesty is the best policy." And of course, as people truly and openly expressed themselves, we found out there's a lot of darkness in people and destructive secrets and desires. And acting upon them in reality in concert leads to madness, despair and ruin. And John in his child-like way, misuses a tool he was never supposed to have access to in the first place. And that's always kind of been a human thing. A magnifying glass can be used to enlarge images or set something on fire. A hammer can drive a nail into a plank or shatter a bone in an arm. John erased the line and then there was only truth, or only his truth. What we're watching are people's willful mental control being overridden by a stranger. And he's not using the ruby on himself, which is telling that he's too good for the medicine he keeps forcing others to take. And as Dream shows him in the end, John is inflicting abbreviated truths of a greater, more complex whole. This was a disturbing episode and it was no doubt intended to be to make the audience consider truths and fictions in our everyday lives. It kinda makes me hope humanity never actually develops telepathy -- seeing other people as we know ourselves would be a hard thing to overcome.
In the comics this bit is way darker and more chaotically violent. So is John Dee; he's just this unconsidered psychopath in the comic, with no real rhyme or reason. I find the changes made from comic to live series to be real improvements. I think it comes from Neil Gaiman having 35 years to mull over the story, and greater skills/maturity. The live series has a lot more narrative flow, although I think the medium ALSO helps; in a comic, things can be choppy and that's fine. In a live series that doesn't fly as well. i think.
@@toshomni9478 i disagree. The original had a DC comics character whose motivation was that he was cRaZy, and was just doing random shitty shit. This version was more subtle, but much better storytelling IMO.
“In the comics this is way darker” How is the comics way darker? In the comics, it’s mostly violence but in this episode it’s literal gore porn… The episode is much more perverse than the comics. The relationship between Marsh and Bette’s son happens in prison, something that is far more understandable than someone sneaking into their sons room when they’re asleep… regardless if consensual, it’s disturbing that Marsh tells her he goes to her sons room at night when she’s asleep… he almost comes off as predator… Then you have everyone killing each other which does happen in the comics but this was too much. It makes no sense that revealing “Truths” ends up in an orgy… I don’t understand the love for this episode because it in fact is worse than the comics.
@@Ant-bm1qk For me it is at least partially because in the comics there was no goal or purpose to Dee's actions. Both versions are mad but in the show he has a goal that he genuinely understands to be good, additionally he's simply stripping dreams away and allowing despair to run rampant which has a certain symmetry to it. The gore is less stylized and reduced from what is explicitly in the comic, by the end Dee had them reduced to animals mating and tearing each other apart with their teeth. And the orgy did happen, just hidden behind the counter of the diner so all you get is speech bubbles indicating the action. This way at least had a tie to the narrative and something to say about the function of dreams but all of the story beats happen with very little change other than the oracle scene being moved to the end.
Funny enough, Patton was the first person they knew they wanted for the show, before anyone else was even thought of. Bette also did try to set Judy and Mark up. Listen to what she tells Marsh about Judy, especially the "any boy in town" part. Bette sat two spots at the counter when Judy came in (one for Judy and one for Donna). Then when Mark came in, she sat Mark in Donna's spot.
You can see what happens when you take dreams out of the equation by looking at the other Endless (Dream's Siblings). You take away dream, and you get Madness/Delusions (and the confusion and forgetting stuff), Desire (the physical and mental desires for food/sex/talk to the ex), Despair (the frustration at failing to get what they want), the violence (Destruction), and eventually Death. After all that, you even get Destiny as the Fates.
Hell is cruelty. Squatterbloat absolutely took Dream past his old lover, on purpose. "I want everybody in this diner's dreams to come true." Umm. Oops. 😯
John dreamed of a world with no lies. It’s understandable - given his backstory - why he truly thinks that’s a good thing. A lot of lies are bad. However, John doesn’t understand that some ‘lies’ are okay or even necessary. He also doesn’t understand how sometimes two things can be true at once. John would think it’s the right thing to do for a parent to trauma dump on their child because it’s the ‘truth’. “Hey, four-year-old I suffered with postnatal depression for the first three months after you were born. I just want you to know, there were times when I wished you’d never been born and I feel guilty about that. However, you have to know this - even at this young age - because it’s the truth. Also the tooth fairy isn’t real.” That can be true but it doesn’t mean the parent doesn’t love their child or that some lies - like the tooth fairy - are harmless and make the world a more magical place. John thought that people being unable to lie in anyway would make them happy. When it didn’t, he decided they liked being miserable and make them hurt/kill themselves. The irony is that they were telling the truth when they said they didn’t want to hurt each other and that they liked the ‘lies’ better but he wouldn’t believe them.
He really is working with a child's level of understanding and logic, which is sad. I can see where a being like Dream (who could see the damage that happened from his tools ending up in the wrong hands) would be more forgiving of John. If Burgess never took the tools, John wouldn't have been damaged by their presence.
@@ShadowyFox_86 Yeah, John means well but he has only a vague idea of what people want/what’s good for them and - as he told Rosemary - he thinks people are fundamentally selfish. He thinks making people all tell the ‘truth’ will make them happy but he doesn’t understand that two things can be simultaneously true. If you tried to explain it to him, he’d think only the ‘bad’ truth was the real one. To go back to my example of a parent and a child; in John’s world of ‘no lies’ a mother would tell her child, “I’m tired and don’t want to make you dinner tonight. I just want to watch TV but first, let me tell you in detail about how I’ve had a really bad day at work and how I was catcalled in the street earlier.” That stuff would be true but it co-exists with, “I love you. I might me tired and have had a bad day but I’m still going to make sure your needs are met. Also, you’re not my therapist so I won’t treat you like one.” John thinks people are bad so, to him, only the bad truths can be real. It wasn’t so much that he made people tell the truth. It was more like he took away their filter and made them say all the things they normally wouldn’t. John thinks that passing unkind thoughts that you think better of a moment later and intrusive thoughts are what people really think/want and because he believed it those were the truths the ruby could make people speek. Dream could tell John was really doing what he thought was the right thing, even though he was very wrong.
I'd imagine the Fates want the Endless doing their functions, since their existence governs all existence. John could be argued as disrupting the function of the universe.
I was flinching for you through this whole reaction, knowing what was coming. re: Crushing the ruby, in the comics the Fates gave him a prophecy that he would "Crush the dream lord's life in his hands." which that is a payoff for.
Do we ever get confirmation of the Fates doing that on purpose? It feels like they showed up to tell John so he would get the idea and fulfill his own prophecy.
I love you. This commentary is excellent. Sorry I just love Sandman, one of my favorite tales ever told. I read it as a child and it changed my life. I adore this tale. And I love you for your excellent commentary, it’s lovely.
John destroys the Ruby because he (Falsely) believes that he's killed Dream and become the Dreamlord. It's hinted by the Fates for him to do such to ultimately "win" but as we know, the fates love to twist answers to their own designs.
I had a slightly different take. That was the "dreamstone" - it has the power to create and destroy dreams. I think John (in his "command" of no more lies) was just taking away everyone's dream (Morpheus says something along those lines). So the reactions of the people were loosing their dreams and aspirations (and attempts to reach) and just falling into the baser and selfish reactions - and eventually loosing even that and having no hope for life left. Its a monkey playing with a microwave and wanting to keep making it go "ding" but cooking everyone in the process. I also loved this episode (and the series as a whole) - although I think my favorite episode is still to come (when you meet Dream's siblings - especially his big sister) - also a mind-twister that made me re-evaluate a lot of my opinions.
Even though I read the series when it came out in the 90s, I had forgotten a lot about of the stories. I’m enjoying the series and I feel like I am experiencing it for the first time. I’m like you I had no words after watching this show. I was up in the middle of the night and I had a hard time sleeping after it. The next episode is my favorite!
Mason Alexander Park (the actor playing Dream's sibling at the end) is, if I'm not mistaken, non-binary (or at least they use neutral pronouns); the character they play... well, that would be a bit of a spoiler (though technically none of the Endless have a gender as such, them being the personification of raw basic universal concepts and all).
I believe the Fates told John "You will crush the dream lord's life in your hand", if I'm remembering correctly, which is an accurate if misleading prophecy. But, that in itself may have been the thing that inspired John to crush the ruby, thinking that would cause him to kill Dream. That, of course, is just interpretation though As for the mysterious individual at the end of the episode, I shan't spoil who they are. I will say though, I can't fully speak to the character's gender, but I know the actor playing them is nonbinary
Very good job in your reaction I was really curious to see what you thought about this one. The next one is just the absolute banger though! Keep it up, I'll be here (Edit wow you picked-up breaking the Ruby giving him his powers back way faster than I did, 🙂)
I just found your reactions to Sandman, and I'm so happy to see you made it through episode 5! I also loved the 10 minute recap of the last episode after you had time to think about it. Like hearing someone's thoughts on it.
About the amulet- it was traded for the helmet from a demon. It only ever hurt people who were trying to physically harm John. It reminds me of the mark of Cane- that any force used against him is returned to the attacker x3. So these ppl who would try to shoot John, when they pulled the trigger, they took all that force upon themselves. Also, his mom had it and the amulet kept her alive and at the age she got it. Also something Cane was cursed with, eternal life after the mark was carved into his forehead.
The majority of this episode iset in one location: the diner. The customers try to leave, but get confused and return. A well written story can take place in one room or similar enclosure. The suspense grows and moods change. A Diner was used for the final episode of sci-fi classic "Sapphire & Steel" and a Stephen King Short Story "They Got a Hell of a Band". Obviously plays performed in theatres frequently rely on one location set to let the drama shine. Loved how this episode showed respect to the original graphic novel source.
I am really trying to decide if identifying who that is in the end, but the Corinthian lists all the siblings in the first episode. I don't know if you watched these at once and are doling them out weekly, but reestablishing the mindset of this epiosde makes 6 so much better. And I mean your immediate reaction of, holy crap.
Not sure how much of a fan of DC you are, but the comic itself was one major cameo fest of heroes and villains from across the DCU. A lot of characters have been replaced by "normal people" for the show. A good example is Dream needing to go to the Justice League in search of his ruby, and Martian Manhunter reveals he knows Dream and is very much part of Martian lore. The difference being MM sees Dream as a big skull on fire.
Its not only the subject of hell that would not dream it was really directed to lucifer :what if you cant dream of heaven ! meaning you cannot hope to go back there !
Great reaction! This episode was such a twisted one but is probably one of my favorites of the season along with A Hope in Hell and The Sound of Her Wings.
The thing with the ruby and Morpheus' power is referenced/foreshadowed in the previous episode. Lucifer mentions that tools can become handicaps. In the comic, if I remember right, the limiting nature of tools is something Morpheus narrates, so it's one of those shifts to make it better in live series. (Matthew is also more of a tool of exposition/sounding board in the live series, again, smart writing)
Frankly I'd prefer Dream's voice just narrate some of those things, instead of making conversation with Matthew. For one, the exposition sounding board character is so overplayed and then there's the thing with Matthew's too recognizeable voice. Put these together and I'm COMPLETELY taken out of immersion whenever they're having their exposition conversations. It's like suddenly Patton Oswalt just steps in frame to interview the actor of the main character in the middle of the show while he's trying to not break the role.
Hey, Angela! If you are truly interested in learning more about Sandman, then I recommend the graphic novels this season is based on. All the episodes of the season are derived from the first two books in a ten-book series. They are titled "Preludes and Nocturnes" and "A Doll's House". This TV adaptation has been done with extreme fidelity except in two respects. The first is that there's been a great deal of race- and gender-bending of characters like making Lucien into Lucienne and Rose Walker black. This is par for the course nowadays and the subs do a great job. The second is removing the DC Comics references like JOHN CONSTANTINE the Exorcist instead of Joanna, the demon ETRIGAN instead of Squatterbloat, John Dee being kept in ARKHAM ASYLUM, appearances by MIRACLE MAN and MARTIAN MANHUNTER, references to the JUSTICE LEAGUE and the Golden Age-era SANDMAN crimefighter. The story of Nada's betrayal is in the second volume, "A Doll's House". The lesbian in the diner was contacted on her cell phone by a young black woman with colorful hair . Remember this girl for later. The graphic novel series is considered a SEMINAL WORK of graphic literature. Neil Gaiman is a mad genius.
Great reaction, as always. This was one of the episodes I was waiting for (having read the comics), knowing it would hit hard and I think both of us felt it. Looking forward to your next Expanse reaction! (Prax is one of my favorite characters)
This was the episode, as a source reader, that intrigued me the most - the idea of adapting this one for screen did seem... improbable... given what that comic is like. It's done really well, although it's where I finally clicked what one of the differences between the comic and the show is - cruelty level. Quite understandably, it's been ramped down for the live action adaptation. It's high throughout the story overall in the comic, but it's really showcased in this (somewhat infamous) chapter. One of those YMMV on which you prefer - I totally understand the change, and the need for it, but I did find myself missing the sting of the comics. And (without spoiling anything) - your reaction to "that beautiful man" was perfect! :)
John Dee, if you didn’t know, and I’ve mentioned this previously. Look up Doctor Destiny. He’s dangerous enough to that Superman, Flash and Green Lantern had to be wary of him, terrified even, because he had the Ruby. This is just him without his costume, and yes, Rosemary is very lucky to be alive, she had a literal supervillain in her vehicle. Without the amulet or the Ruby, he’s just some dude, which is why Batman understood that you take his totems away he’s just some crazy guy in a costume. Well he has escaped and since he’s not dressed like Skelator she didn’t realize she’s got someone who made the entire Justice League frightened IN HER CAR. She’s lucky she survived. He proceeds to do despicable things. But the Dream Lord arrives, perhaps a bit to late, to claim what belongs to him. “….what… what do you think you are doing? With my Ruby? It was not meant for mortals…”
John used the Ruby to wish for a world without lies and social pretense, but because he's deranged, he ended up creating a deranged world. That's why things steadily devolved in that diner and on the news.
Yes! That was the best episode. Honestly, I’m not surprised that when people are truthful at all times it’s a very bad thing, and much of the pain comes from pursuing what they think is love . . . lust often comes disguised as love . . . except lust is self-serving and love enables self-sacrifice. I was raised to ALWAYS be truthful all the time; all the setbacks I’ve experienced are due to being open and honest in every situation, because no one really wants to hear what I think, they want to hear what . I don’t regret it, but you learn fast to keep to yourself and mind your own business to compensate. That’s why I try to teach my daughter, being honest is good, but being kind is better. People don’t want honesty, they want validation and can only tolerate diplomatic constructive criticism aimed directed at them with validation.
Amazing episode, wasn't it. Left you speechless! Along the lines of Neil Gaiman... have you considered doing a reaction series to either American Gods (purely Neil Gaiman) or Good Omens (the original book by Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett)? Both amazing visions.
David Bowie’s image was used in the comics but Lucifer is not female but rather male as God’s favorite son. In the Sandman books Lucifer appeared androgynous but in his title books he has more of a masculine form following David Bowie’s changes. This show is just a masterpiece.
There's a fundamental change to John's character here from the comics, he's a genuinely more decent human being than on the page if you can believe that, which is why this episode is much more restrained than the source material. Trust me, as far as this goes they couldn't make it go as far as the book. That's a terrifying issue of Sandman.
Remember that The Sandman was technically a horror comic in the beginning.. Hence the presence of many characters from former DC horror titles (that had long since died out).
@@reverance_pavane But the context of some of those characters changes because we can't have things like John Dee being a former JLA villain in this. Love how they've been handling those changes so far.
Fun fact: one reason breeding Pandas is so challenging is they find play more pleasurable. It is hard to keep them horny when they prefer slides and somersaults.
This episode and the one after are from the two comics that are the ones that always make people sit up and start paying real attention to the writing. Before this they're a bit disjointed with wonky pacing (somewhat fixed in the show) and random ideas thrown at a wall to see what sticks... but these two are where the storytelling really starts to cohere and shine through in more than just spots here and there. "It gets good in Issue 5" has always been the weakness of the Sandman comics, but they couldn't really fix it without gutting everything great about it too, so I'm kinda glad they stuck to a faithful adaptation "but updated for the 2020s". (Not that it wasn't good before, but... eh, you'll see, it's a clear watershed in quality.)
24/7 is far and away the most famous of the stories in the Sandman comic run. It's not hard to see why. This show does an incredible job of exploring so many elements of humanity. It's dark and horrific at times, because humanity can reach those lows. But it also speaks to the profound beauty and positivity that people are also capable of in a way that I never seen in any visual medium. Super looking forward to your thoughts on E6.
I love that I knew nothing about these comics, because I think if I were a comic reader, and I saw the title of the episode, I would’ve been giddy. But the fact that I have no clue and went in blind… What a amazing story. As far as episode six goes, from what I’ve watched so far, it’s my favorite episode.
Bette made a comment like "she's so pretty she could have any man" which definitely implies she had some biases rolling. It's also probably its not the first time she's tried to set Judy up with someone
The whole "he's 21" was added to the show to make it a little less shocking. But not really if you think about it. She says he would always be around until her son went off to college, and now is interested in going back that her son is back. Heavily implying he did things way younger. In the comics it's worse. She thinks her son is off living life and he says that when he was briefly arrested he found her drug addict son in jail being pimped for cigarettes. And that he paid to use him too. Again, heavily implying her son is so messed up after a lot of abuse by him. It's such a jarring scene and all, but if you want to think of some good outcome of this whole episode, even though the poor guy lost his mother, at least his abuser is gone too.
Regarding destroying the Ruby: it's explained a little better in the graphic novels, but long story shortish, John realizes that the Ruby was created from Dream's life energy, and that it stole more when Dream found it in the warehouse and tried to use it. So he's under the impression that he can suck the life out of Dream via the Ruby, and then destroy it and Dream together. He may also think it's something like a soul jar, where beings trying to avoid death put their soul or pieces of it into objects and keep it from ever passing on. (See Voldemort and his horcruxes, Koschei the Deathless and the nested objects he put his soul or death into, liches and their phylacteries, etc., etc.) In either case, he crushes it thinking it'll kill Dream for good.
David Thewlis knocked this out of the park. So the comic issue this was based on (it was actually two issues) was called 24 Hours, reflecting that he kept them in the diner for that long. The characters are a touch different (save for Bette, who is older and more homophobic, and Judy, who is still an abusive girlfriend to Donna). But what John does to the people in the comics is...utterly sadistic. This was much tamer, and a lot of readers back when it was first released refused to read anymore. Meaning they missed "A Sound of Her Wings" and all the good stuff that came later. John is definitely more nuanced in this show, but in the comics Dream just takes him back to Arkham Asylum as well.
Love this episode and the next, no spoiler though 😁. On this episode, when the lies are removed the truths revealed are John's. His experience, lies, sex and violence. I could be wrong though 🤔.
Wow lol the more I watch you the more i like you. Haha you fools call me a simp I don’t care hahahaha You know she is lovely of you pretend you can’t see that you are lying to yourself. And yea, all their battles are like a mental chess game. I love that you get this story so perfectly.
My opinion of what's happening here (and apologies for coming in and commenting on a month old video) is John *says* he's revealing truth and dreams, but John is not a stable person and while it seems that he has great control over the ruby, I think we're supposed to question that. It seems to me that he's not revealing truth, but creating them and imposing them on the diners. Everything in that diner *goes wrong* and it seems to be in three categories of "lies". John, thinks that's humanity, except those three categories are pretty particular to John himself. 1) The Lie of Society. Politeness (or if we want to be cynical - performative kindness) cannot be real or be trusted. It must be selfish. We got this from John talking to his mother and to Rosemary in the last episode. 2) The Lie of Self-denial. Ordering a salad when you want a double-decker burger isn't peacemaking with a spouse, it's a lie and a source of resentment. Not saying true, but hurtful things is a lie. Marsh MUST reveal that he's gay and had relations with Bette's son. Garry is routinely non-faithful and is bi. Judy and Bette share a kiss. John's in his fifties and been in a mental hospital for 30 years. He's not developed the sexual/romantic side of his humanity past whatever he had up to his 20's, which might not have been much at all considering how much Ethel moved their family around. His development is very stunted in this way, which might explain why literally everyone (except Kate) has some sort of hidden (or perhaps imposed) queer orientation and Kate has an extra-marital affair literally in the booth. It seems like queer orientations could be sort of fetishization (I'm not sure this is the best word, but I don't have any better) by a man who hasn't developed this part of themself at all. (Maybe that's too Freudian of me?) 3) The Lie of Inaction. If not SAYING things because they'll hurt people is a lie, then certainly not DOING things to make a world without lies must be even worse, right? This is the most obviously John's broken form of psychopathy. Bette can't see the truth of John's point of view, because she physically has eyes? No. That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works. This is the logic of someone deeply mentally ill. I think all of this is John creating these behaviors and "secrets" much like he created birthday ponies and snow in his bedroom. John took small hints he saw in people and stretched them to grotesque proportions. He was the liar in the diner.
Love your reaction to first seeing Desire of the Endless. So well cast...since Desire, much the way Dream is seen by others according to what they believe, is all things to everyone. Male/female/both/neither. Bowie would be awesome in anything, of course, but since we are forced to go on without him, I have to give props to the casting people for this show.
For someone with the lifelong dilemma of "Wait do I want to be *with* them or *be* them" when faced with androgyny, Gaiman's work never disappoints. It's appropriate that Bowie was brought up, welcome "Ladies, Gentlemen...and Others" indeed (David Bowie's delivery of that will always be perfect). And casting David Cameron Mitchel and Mason Alexander Park is just cheating
Speaking of David Bowie in a horror/dark role, he was quite interesting as Julian Priest, the host of the second season of the NSFW horror series The Hunger.
No spoilers, but something coming from this episode in future eps that'll make your head spin. Others have said it, but stick with Dream for the name, the reason will become apparent soon.
In the context of Sandman, Dream, Morpheus, Kai'ckul, Sandman, and all the other names he's known by are entirely interchangable. You could ask a question about Dream and I could respond about Morpheus but they're all acceptable names for the same entity. Like the rest of the Endless, he doesn't have a true name other than those which we give him. I'm not sure how far ahead you are from the TH-cam edits, so I won't name them, but the correct pronouns for the person on the end are they/them.
She lay in bed with him once, they could not be together, him been an endless and she been a mortal, so she rejected him, she reject to be her Queen and he took that personally
Just a heads up, that sibling is genderfluid. They are the one member of the Endless who is not male or female (at least exclusively), and the actor uses they/them pronouns.
I think John crushes the ruby because the idea to do it gets planted there by the fates, 3 times he asks them what his future is he doesn't like the answers the first 2 times so keeps asking but all 3 come true. 1st they say he came from dust and will return to dust, so death not come true yet but nothing magically keeping him alive anymore so will. 2nd you'll be bound by walls and guards and the smell of madness, so back to the secure psych ward. And 3rd you've taken some of the power of dreams, you'll take all of it and crush the life of the lord of dreams in your hands. This is the future he wanted to hear where he thinks he wins, so this is what he does not realising the outcome. As Lucien said in the earlier episodes the fates never give you a plain answer. Oh and the character at the end is played by a non-binary actor who uses they/them pronouns rather then he/him just for refference because they crop up again in a few more episodes
My interpretation was that the Ruby made John's dream of a world without lies come true, and the time loop was a consequence of him needing everyone to stay in the diner long enough for their truths to come out. So the Ruby wasn't revealing everyone's dreams, just John's.
Yeah, because when he first uses the ruby on Bette, she is about to say "I wanted to make you feel good", but because John only believes in selfishness and evil, he makes her say "I wanted you to like me". Bette is not selfish, she is a selfless, caring person. John makes her selfish to reflect his own worldview. Dream points that out in his "not lies, dreams" speech to John
Just wanted to add one thing about episode 4 that I missed too on the first watch, when Dream says to Lucifer that people in hell dream of heaven, if you look at the expression on her face, she almost cries for a second, meaning that Dream is talking about Lucifer's dreams of returning to heaven so it is intensely personal. Also is amazing acting on the part of Gwendoline Christie
Lucifer is the biggest dreamer of them all, he dreams to escape the plans of God and it's creation, to literally go against and free himself from the most powerful being there is.
Awesome. I never got that, thanks. It makes that great moment even better still.
Not only that, but because (in this adaptation) each person actually *feels* the other's move, Dream actually forced Lucifer to feel hope. Possibly for the first time in eons. Which could explain why Lucifer decides to do something they've never done in eons, later on.
@@elbruces That moment of hope and how that turns to seething rage is a beautifully acted moment.
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I've always liked Gwendolyn Christie in things, but what she did with her face within the span of one second there was some jaw-dropping acting.
Can we take a moment to appreciate how masterful David Thewlis' performance here was?
He’s so good at playing that guy
Agreed. So good/disturbing that I almost stopped watching the show and would have missed out on the palette cleanser that was e6. 🙂
"Does Mark still get the job?"
And I am now deceased, thank you very much. 🤣
I was really curious to see your reaction to this episode.
To me, John had a child's understanding of truth, and a desire for everything to be simple and analog, on/off, black/white, lie/truth. And of course, "Honesty is the best policy."
And of course, as people truly and openly expressed themselves, we found out there's a lot of darkness in people and destructive secrets and desires. And acting upon them in reality in concert leads to madness, despair and ruin.
And John in his child-like way, misuses a tool he was never supposed to have access to in the first place. And that's always kind of been a human thing. A magnifying glass can be used to enlarge images or set something on fire. A hammer can drive a nail into a plank or shatter a bone in an arm. John erased the line and then there was only truth, or only his truth.
What we're watching are people's willful mental control being overridden by a stranger. And he's not using the ruby on himself, which is telling that he's too good for the medicine he keeps forcing others to take.
And as Dream shows him in the end, John is inflicting abbreviated truths of a greater, more complex whole.
This was a disturbing episode and it was no doubt intended to be to make the audience consider truths and fictions in our everyday lives.
It kinda makes me hope humanity never actually develops telepathy -- seeing other people as we know ourselves would be a hard thing to overcome.
"What a beautiful man" "Who is he?" lol well you sort of answered your own question, Angela. Going by what you felt.
Also they aren't a man
@@rain6957 Per Gaiman, you are both current and incorrect. They're all the genders.
From the comics I was concerned how they’d tackle this episode, but I wound up impressed.
Yeah this was definitely one of the bigger worries. They did good. 😊
LIkewise, as written, it would have made Game of Thrones look like Blues Clues.
"Does Mark still get the job?"
That killed me. ^^
In the comics this bit is way darker and more chaotically violent. So is John Dee; he's just this unconsidered psychopath in the comic, with no real rhyme or reason.
I find the changes made from comic to live series to be real improvements. I think it comes from Neil Gaiman having 35 years to mull over the story, and greater skills/maturity.
The live series has a lot more narrative flow, although I think the medium ALSO helps; in a comic, things can be choppy and that's fine. In a live series that doesn't fly as well. i think.
Agreed. Pretty much every change has been for the better in every way
I don't know. The diner stuff was way scarier in the original. Can't really see this kind of watered-down version as an improvement.
@@toshomni9478 i disagree. The original had a DC comics character whose motivation was that he was cRaZy, and was just doing random shitty shit.
This version was more subtle, but much better storytelling IMO.
“In the comics this is way darker”
How is the comics way darker? In the comics, it’s mostly violence but in this episode it’s literal gore porn…
The episode is much more perverse than the comics. The relationship between Marsh and Bette’s son happens in prison, something that is far more understandable than someone sneaking into their sons room when they’re asleep… regardless if consensual, it’s disturbing that Marsh tells her he goes to her sons room at night when she’s asleep… he almost comes off as predator…
Then you have everyone killing each other which does happen in the comics but this was too much. It makes no sense that revealing “Truths” ends up in an orgy…
I don’t understand the love for this episode because it in fact is worse than the comics.
@@Ant-bm1qk For me it is at least partially because in the comics there was no goal or purpose to Dee's actions. Both versions are mad but in the show he has a goal that he genuinely understands to be good, additionally he's simply stripping dreams away and allowing despair to run rampant which has a certain symmetry to it. The gore is less stylized and reduced from what is explicitly in the comic, by the end Dee had them reduced to animals mating and tearing each other apart with their teeth. And the orgy did happen, just hidden behind the counter of the diner so all you get is speech bubbles indicating the action. This way at least had a tie to the narrative and something to say about the function of dreams but all of the story beats happen with very little change other than the oracle scene being moved to the end.
Angela : "Everyone's dreams in this diner better come true. I'm just sayin'......"
Ooof!
🥴 I regret it!
"Does Mark still get the job?" LOL
Funny enough, Patton was the first person they knew they wanted for the show, before anyone else was even thought of.
Bette also did try to set Judy and Mark up. Listen to what she tells Marsh about Judy, especially the "any boy in town" part. Bette sat two spots at the counter when Judy came in (one for Judy and one for Donna). Then when Mark came in, she sat Mark in Donna's spot.
If you're going to stick to one name, "Dream" is proabably the one to stick to, for reasons that will become clear as we meet his family.
Family that has been named in an earlier episode.
You can see what happens when you take dreams out of the equation by looking at the other Endless (Dream's Siblings).
You take away dream, and you get Madness/Delusions (and the confusion and forgetting stuff), Desire (the physical and mental desires for food/sex/talk to the ex), Despair (the frustration at failing to get what they want), the violence (Destruction), and eventually Death.
After all that, you even get Destiny as the Fates.
Hell is cruelty.
Squatterbloat absolutely took Dream past his old lover, on purpose.
"I want everybody in this diner's dreams to come true."
Umm. Oops. 😯
This story catches most people unprepared.....goes in a direction you don't expect ...
John dreamed of a world with no lies. It’s understandable - given his backstory - why he truly thinks that’s a good thing. A lot of lies are bad. However, John doesn’t understand that some ‘lies’ are okay or even necessary. He also doesn’t understand how sometimes two things can be true at once.
John would think it’s the right thing to do for a parent to trauma dump on their child because it’s the ‘truth’. “Hey, four-year-old I suffered with postnatal depression for the first three months after you were born. I just want you to know, there were times when I wished you’d never been born and I feel guilty about that. However, you have to know this - even at this young age - because it’s the truth. Also the tooth fairy isn’t real.” That can be true but it doesn’t mean the parent doesn’t love their child or that some lies - like the tooth fairy - are harmless and make the world a more magical place.
John thought that people being unable to lie in anyway would make them happy. When it didn’t, he decided they liked being miserable and make them hurt/kill themselves. The irony is that they were telling the truth when they said they didn’t want to hurt each other and that they liked the ‘lies’ better but he wouldn’t believe them.
He really is working with a child's level of understanding and logic, which is sad. I can see where a being like Dream (who could see the damage that happened from his tools ending up in the wrong hands) would be more forgiving of John. If Burgess never took the tools, John wouldn't have been damaged by their presence.
@@ShadowyFox_86 Yeah, John means well but he has only a vague idea of what people want/what’s good for them and - as he told Rosemary - he thinks people are fundamentally selfish.
He thinks making people all tell the ‘truth’ will make them happy but he doesn’t understand that two things can be simultaneously true. If you tried to explain it to him, he’d think only the ‘bad’ truth was the real one.
To go back to my example of a parent and a child; in John’s world of ‘no lies’ a mother would tell her child, “I’m tired and don’t want to make you dinner tonight. I just want to watch TV but first, let me tell you in detail about how I’ve had a really bad day at work and how I was catcalled in the street earlier.” That stuff would be true but it co-exists with, “I love you. I might me tired and have had a bad day but I’m still going to make sure your needs are met. Also, you’re not my therapist so I won’t treat you like one.”
John thinks people are bad so, to him, only the bad truths can be real. It wasn’t so much that he made people tell the truth. It was more like he took away their filter and made them say all the things they normally wouldn’t. John thinks that passing unkind thoughts that you think better of a moment later and intrusive thoughts are what people really think/want and because he believed it those were the truths the ruby could make people speek.
Dream could tell John was really doing what he thought was the right thing, even though he was very wrong.
John crushed the ruby because he thought it would kill Dream. The fates also suggested this course of action to him for some reason.
I'd imagine the Fates want the Endless doing their functions, since their existence governs all existence. John could be argued as disrupting the function of the universe.
It's less that they suggested it than they predicted it, as is their nature. In true mythic style learning the prediction caused it to come true.
I was flinching for you through this whole reaction, knowing what was coming. re: Crushing the ruby, in the comics the Fates gave him a prophecy that he would "Crush the dream lord's life in his hands." which that is a payoff for.
I mean, they do here as well.
Do we ever get confirmation of the Fates doing that on purpose? It feels like they showed up to tell John so he would get the idea and fulfill his own prophecy.
The episode most will only watch once - except maybe the end - but the next episode is the one we're all waiting for.
I love you. This commentary is excellent.
Sorry I just love Sandman, one of my favorite tales ever told. I read it as a child and it changed my life. I adore this tale.
And I love you for your excellent commentary, it’s lovely.
Oooh, Oooh, I can't wait for the next one!
👀
John destroys the Ruby because he (Falsely) believes that he's killed Dream and become the Dreamlord. It's hinted by the Fates for him to do such to ultimately "win" but as we know, the fates love to twist answers to their own designs.
I had a slightly different take. That was the "dreamstone" - it has the power to create and destroy dreams. I think John (in his "command" of no more lies) was just taking away everyone's dream (Morpheus says something along those lines). So the reactions of the people were loosing their dreams and aspirations (and attempts to reach) and just falling into the baser and selfish reactions - and eventually loosing even that and having no hope for life left.
Its a monkey playing with a microwave and wanting to keep making it go "ding" but cooking everyone in the process. I also loved this episode (and the series as a whole) - although I think my favorite episode is still to come (when you meet Dream's siblings - especially his big sister) - also a mind-twister that made me re-evaluate a lot of my opinions.
Even though I read the series when it came out in the 90s, I had forgotten a lot about of the stories. I’m enjoying the series and I feel like I am experiencing it for the first time. I’m like you I had no words after watching this show. I was up in the middle of the night and I had a hard time sleeping after it. The next episode is my favorite!
I'm excited to see your reaction to episode 6!
Mason Alexander Park (the actor playing Dream's sibling at the end) is, if I'm not mistaken, non-binary (or at least they use neutral pronouns); the character they play... well, that would be a bit of a spoiler (though technically none of the Endless have a gender as such, them being the personification of raw basic universal concepts and all).
Mason is indeed non-binary and uses they/them. It's not really a spoiler to say Dream's sibling is all/any gender(s).
This episode took a turn that I certainly did not see coming. Really enjoying this series.
Great reaction as always.🙂👍
I never expected an episode like this, but it was so captivating and haunting for what it was.
The face you made when the boss lady was making her moves 😂😂😂
I believe the Fates told John "You will crush the dream lord's life in your hand", if I'm remembering correctly, which is an accurate if misleading prophecy. But, that in itself may have been the thing that inspired John to crush the ruby, thinking that would cause him to kill Dream. That, of course, is just interpretation though
As for the mysterious individual at the end of the episode, I shan't spoil who they are. I will say though, I can't fully speak to the character's gender, but I know the actor playing them is nonbinary
"an accurate if misleading prophecy."
If the fates had a tag line.
Very good job in your reaction I was really curious to see what you thought about this one.
The next one is just the absolute banger though!
Keep it up, I'll be here
(Edit wow you picked-up breaking the Ruby giving him his powers back way faster than I did, 🙂)
That story in comics/audible is even darker. This was still wild to see though.
I just found your reactions to Sandman, and I'm so happy to see you made it through episode 5! I also loved the 10 minute recap of the last episode after you had time to think about it. Like hearing someone's thoughts on it.
About the amulet- it was traded for the helmet from a demon. It only ever hurt people who were trying to physically harm John.
It reminds me of the mark of Cane- that any force used against him is returned to the attacker x3. So these ppl who would try to shoot John, when they pulled the trigger, they took all that force upon themselves. Also, his mom had it and the amulet kept her alive and at the age she got it. Also something Cane was cursed with, eternal life after the mark was carved into his forehead.
I would Imagine David Bowie as Desire
_"Is this just a dream, or is he here now?"_ Would there be any difference..?
Can't wait for episode 6!!
Didn't know where it was going in the restaurant, but could feel an ominous vibe, but did not expect all of that ,fantastic storytelling.
The majority of this episode iset in one location: the diner. The customers try to leave, but get confused and return. A well written story can take place in one room or similar enclosure. The suspense grows and moods change. A Diner was used for the final episode of sci-fi classic "Sapphire & Steel" and a Stephen King Short Story "They Got a Hell of a Band". Obviously plays performed in theatres frequently rely on one location set to let the drama shine. Loved how this episode showed respect to the original graphic novel source.
I am really trying to decide if identifying who that is in the end, but the Corinthian lists all the siblings in the first episode.
I don't know if you watched these at once and are doling them out weekly, but reestablishing the mindset of this epiosde makes 6 so much better. And I mean your immediate reaction of, holy crap.
Not sure how much of a fan of DC you are, but the comic itself was one major cameo fest of heroes and villains from across the DCU. A lot of characters have been replaced by "normal people" for the show.
A good example is Dream needing to go to the Justice League in search of his ruby, and Martian Manhunter reveals he knows Dream and is very much part of Martian lore. The difference being MM sees Dream as a big skull on fire.
“Apparently making dreams come true equals sex!?” For a lot of people yes. Hah.
The episode reminds me a bit of the movie "The exterminating angel" by Louis Bunuel, where a group of people is not able to leave a room.
Its not only the subject of hell that would not dream it was really directed to lucifer :what if you cant dream of heaven ! meaning you cannot hope to go back there !
Great reaction! This episode was such a twisted one but is probably one of my favorites of the season along with A Hope in Hell and The Sound of Her Wings.
Such a cool episode, so well written! Fun seeing you experience it. :) Keep up the great work!
The thing with the ruby and Morpheus' power is referenced/foreshadowed in the previous episode. Lucifer mentions that tools can become handicaps.
In the comic, if I remember right, the limiting nature of tools is something Morpheus narrates, so it's one of those shifts to make it better in live series.
(Matthew is also more of a tool of exposition/sounding board in the live series, again, smart writing)
Frankly I'd prefer Dream's voice just narrate some of those things, instead of making conversation with Matthew. For one, the exposition sounding board character is so overplayed and then there's the thing with Matthew's too recognizeable voice. Put these together and I'm COMPLETELY taken out of immersion whenever they're having their exposition conversations. It's like suddenly Patton Oswalt just steps in frame to interview the actor of the main character in the middle of the show while he's trying to not break the role.
Hey, Angela! If you are truly interested in learning more about Sandman, then I recommend the graphic novels this season is based on. All the episodes of the season are derived from the first two books in a ten-book series. They are titled "Preludes and Nocturnes" and "A Doll's House". This TV adaptation has been done with extreme fidelity except in two respects. The first is that there's been a great deal of race- and gender-bending of characters like making Lucien into Lucienne and Rose Walker black. This is par for the course nowadays and the subs do a great job. The second is removing the DC Comics references like JOHN CONSTANTINE the Exorcist instead of Joanna, the demon ETRIGAN instead of Squatterbloat, John Dee being kept in ARKHAM ASYLUM, appearances by MIRACLE MAN and MARTIAN MANHUNTER, references to the JUSTICE LEAGUE and the Golden Age-era SANDMAN crimefighter.
The story of Nada's betrayal is in the second volume, "A Doll's House".
The lesbian in the diner was contacted on her cell phone by a young black woman with colorful hair . Remember this girl for later.
The graphic novel series is considered a SEMINAL WORK of graphic literature. Neil Gaiman is a mad genius.
Oh yeah, you reached THIS episode haha. It's a riiiide.
Great reaction, as always. This was one of the episodes I was waiting for (having read the comics), knowing it would hit hard and I think both of us felt it. Looking forward to your next Expanse reaction! (Prax is one of my favorite characters)
This was the episode, as a source reader, that intrigued me the most - the idea of adapting this one for screen did seem... improbable... given what that comic is like. It's done really well, although it's where I finally clicked what one of the differences between the comic and the show is - cruelty level. Quite understandably, it's been ramped down for the live action adaptation. It's high throughout the story overall in the comic, but it's really showcased in this (somewhat infamous) chapter. One of those YMMV on which you prefer - I totally understand the change, and the need for it, but I did find myself missing the sting of the comics. And (without spoiling anything) - your reaction to "that beautiful man" was perfect! :)
John Dee, if you didn’t know, and I’ve mentioned this previously.
Look up Doctor Destiny. He’s dangerous enough to that Superman, Flash and Green Lantern had to be wary of him, terrified even, because he had the Ruby.
This is just him without his costume, and yes, Rosemary is very lucky to be alive, she had a literal supervillain in her vehicle.
Without the amulet or the Ruby, he’s just some dude, which is why Batman understood that you take his totems away he’s just some crazy guy in a costume.
Well he has escaped and since he’s not dressed like Skelator she didn’t realize she’s got someone who made the entire Justice League frightened IN HER CAR.
She’s lucky she survived.
He proceeds to do despicable things. But the Dream Lord arrives, perhaps a bit to late, to claim what belongs to him.
“….what… what do you think you are doing? With my Ruby? It was not meant for mortals…”
22:46 That face tho😂
John used the Ruby to wish for a world without lies and social pretense, but because he's deranged, he ended up creating a deranged world. That's why things steadily devolved in that diner and on the news.
Yes! That was the best episode. Honestly, I’m not surprised that when people are truthful at all times it’s a very bad thing, and much of the pain comes from pursuing what they think is love . . . lust often comes disguised as love . . . except lust is self-serving and love enables self-sacrifice. I was raised to ALWAYS be truthful all the time; all the setbacks I’ve experienced are due to being open and honest in every situation, because no one really wants to hear what I think, they want to hear what . I don’t regret it, but you learn fast to keep to yourself and mind your own business to compensate. That’s why I try to teach my daughter, being honest is good, but being kind is better. People don’t want honesty, they want validation and can only tolerate diplomatic constructive criticism aimed directed at them with validation.
Amazing episode, wasn't it. Left you speechless!
Along the lines of Neil Gaiman... have you considered doing a reaction series to either American Gods (purely Neil Gaiman) or Good Omens (the original book by Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett)? Both amazing visions.
David Bowie’s image was used in the comics but Lucifer is not female but rather male as God’s favorite son. In the Sandman books Lucifer appeared androgynous but in his title books he has more of a masculine form following David Bowie’s changes. This show is just a masterpiece.
There's a fundamental change to John's character here from the comics, he's a genuinely more decent human being than on the page if you can believe that, which is why this episode is much more restrained than the source material. Trust me, as far as this goes they couldn't make it go as far as the book. That's a terrifying issue of Sandman.
Remember that The Sandman was technically a horror comic in the beginning.. Hence the presence of many characters from former DC horror titles (that had long since died out).
@@reverance_pavane But the context of some of those characters changes because we can't have things like John Dee being a former JLA villain in this. Love how they've been handling those changes so far.
22:44 LOL perfect reaction
it was indeed the wackiest episode of the show, and a genius piece of art. It really make one think of a lot things.
Fun fact: one reason breeding Pandas is so challenging is they find play more pleasurable. It is hard to keep them horny when they prefer slides and somersaults.
I can't wait for the next reaction ahhhhh
This episode and the one after are from the two comics that are the ones that always make people sit up and start paying real attention to the writing. Before this they're a bit disjointed with wonky pacing (somewhat fixed in the show) and random ideas thrown at a wall to see what sticks... but these two are where the storytelling really starts to cohere and shine through in more than just spots here and there.
"It gets good in Issue 5" has always been the weakness of the Sandman comics, but they couldn't really fix it without gutting everything great about it too, so I'm kinda glad they stuck to a faithful adaptation "but updated for the 2020s". (Not that it wasn't good before, but... eh, you'll see, it's a clear watershed in quality.)
24/7 is far and away the most famous of the stories in the Sandman comic run. It's not hard to see why.
This show does an incredible job of exploring so many elements of humanity. It's dark and horrific at times, because humanity can reach those lows. But it also speaks to the profound beauty and positivity that people are also capable of in a way that I never seen in any visual medium.
Super looking forward to your thoughts on E6.
I love that I knew nothing about these comics, because I think if I were a comic reader, and I saw the title of the episode, I would’ve been giddy. But the fact that I have no clue and went in blind… What a amazing story.
As far as episode six goes, from what I’ve watched so far, it’s my favorite episode.
Not really, it's just the most notorious for obvious reasons. The issue next episode is based on, The Sound of Her Wings, is probably the most famous.
Best episode, reveiling a lot about mankind.
Bette made a comment like "she's so pretty she could have any man" which definitely implies she had some biases rolling. It's also probably its not the first time she's tried to set Judy up with someone
The whole "he's 21" was added to the show to make it a little less shocking. But not really if you think about it. She says he would always be around until her son went off to college, and now is interested in going back that her son is back. Heavily implying he did things way younger.
In the comics it's worse. She thinks her son is off living life and he says that when he was briefly arrested he found her drug addict son in jail being pimped for cigarettes. And that he paid to use him too. Again, heavily implying her son is so messed up after a lot of abuse by him.
It's such a jarring scene and all, but if you want to think of some good outcome of this whole episode, even though the poor guy lost his mother, at least his abuser is gone too.
Regarding destroying the Ruby: it's explained a little better in the graphic novels, but long story shortish, John realizes that the Ruby was created from Dream's life energy, and that it stole more when Dream found it in the warehouse and tried to use it. So he's under the impression that he can suck the life out of Dream via the Ruby, and then destroy it and Dream together.
He may also think it's something like a soul jar, where beings trying to avoid death put their soul or pieces of it into objects and keep it from ever passing on. (See Voldemort and his horcruxes, Koschei the Deathless and the nested objects he put his soul or death into, liches and their phylacteries, etc., etc.) In either case, he crushes it thinking it'll kill Dream for good.
You should watch Good Omens another Neil Gaiman show. Also the Netflix/Fox show Lucifer (which is loosely) based on this Lucifer.
David Thewlis knocked this out of the park. So the comic issue this was based on (it was actually two issues) was called 24 Hours, reflecting that he kept them in the diner for that long. The characters are a touch different (save for Bette, who is older and more homophobic, and Judy, who is still an abusive girlfriend to Donna). But what John does to the people in the comics is...utterly sadistic. This was much tamer, and a lot of readers back when it was first released refused to read anymore. Meaning they missed "A Sound of Her Wings" and all the good stuff that came later.
John is definitely more nuanced in this show, but in the comics Dream just takes him back to Arkham Asylum as well.
They toned it down for obvious reasons, but I honestly wasn't sure if they'd dare to cover this section of the story. I think they did a great job
Can't wait until you watch the next couple episodes.
Love this episode and the next, no spoiler though 😁.
On this episode, when the lies are removed the truths revealed are John's. His experience, lies, sex and violence. I could be wrong though 🤔.
Just wait till next week...my favorite episode.
Wow lol the more I watch you the more i like you.
Haha you fools call me a simp I don’t care hahahaha
You know she is lovely of you pretend you can’t see that you are lying to yourself.
And yea, all their battles are like a mental chess game. I love that you get this story so perfectly.
My opinion of what's happening here (and apologies for coming in and commenting on a month old video) is John *says* he's revealing truth and dreams, but John is not a stable person and while it seems that he has great control over the ruby, I think we're supposed to question that. It seems to me that he's not revealing truth, but creating them and imposing them on the diners.
Everything in that diner *goes wrong* and it seems to be in three categories of "lies". John, thinks that's humanity, except those three categories are pretty particular to John himself.
1) The Lie of Society. Politeness (or if we want to be cynical - performative kindness) cannot be real or be trusted. It must be selfish. We got this from John talking to his mother and to Rosemary in the last episode.
2) The Lie of Self-denial. Ordering a salad when you want a double-decker burger isn't peacemaking with a spouse, it's a lie and a source of resentment. Not saying true, but hurtful things is a lie. Marsh MUST reveal that he's gay and had relations with Bette's son. Garry is routinely non-faithful and is bi. Judy and Bette share a kiss. John's in his fifties and been in a mental hospital for 30 years. He's not developed the sexual/romantic side of his humanity past whatever he had up to his 20's, which might not have been much at all considering how much Ethel moved their family around. His development is very stunted in this way, which might explain why literally everyone (except Kate) has some sort of hidden (or perhaps imposed) queer orientation and Kate has an extra-marital affair literally in the booth. It seems like queer orientations could be sort of fetishization (I'm not sure this is the best word, but I don't have any better) by a man who hasn't developed this part of themself at all. (Maybe that's too Freudian of me?)
3) The Lie of Inaction. If not SAYING things because they'll hurt people is a lie, then certainly not DOING things to make a world without lies must be even worse, right? This is the most obviously John's broken form of psychopathy. Bette can't see the truth of John's point of view, because she physically has eyes? No. That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works. This is the logic of someone deeply mentally ill.
I think all of this is John creating these behaviors and "secrets" much like he created birthday ponies and snow in his bedroom. John took small hints he saw in people and stretched them to grotesque proportions. He was the liar in the diner.
Love your reaction to first seeing Desire of the Endless. So well cast...since Desire, much the way Dream is seen by others according to what they believe, is all things to everyone. Male/female/both/neither. Bowie would be awesome in anything, of course, but since we are forced to go on without him, I have to give props to the casting people for this show.
For someone with the lifelong dilemma of "Wait do I want to be *with* them or *be* them" when faced with androgyny, Gaiman's work never disappoints. It's appropriate that Bowie was brought up, welcome "Ladies, Gentlemen...and Others" indeed (David Bowie's delivery of that will always be perfect).
And casting David Cameron Mitchel and Mason Alexander Park is just cheating
Something that I only realised because you pointed it out:
Which emotion with "D" did the Ruby empower ? :P
Speaking of David Bowie in a horror/dark role, he was quite interesting as Julian Priest, the host of the second season of the NSFW horror series The Hunger.
I didn't realize mispronounciation of Gaiman was a thing 😄
In any case:
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Mispronouncing words seems to be my specialty
@@funnylilgalreacts Seems to be a lot of people's speciality 😄
Love your reactions, makes me feel slightly less grumpy every time 😊Keep it up!
No spoilers, but something coming from this episode in future eps that'll make your head spin. Others have said it, but stick with Dream for the name, the reason will become apparent soon.
Nada's story will be part of Season 2
This episode and the next one were the best ones. (nxt: sound of her wings)
Just a quick answer to a question: the author's name is pronounced like "gay man"
Personally, I would have liked to see Tom Ellis reprising his role of Lucifer just one last time.
In the context of Sandman, Dream, Morpheus, Kai'ckul, Sandman, and all the other names he's known by are entirely interchangable. You could ask a question about Dream and I could respond about Morpheus but they're all acceptable names for the same entity. Like the rest of the Endless, he doesn't have a true name other than those which we give him.
I'm not sure how far ahead you are from the TH-cam edits, so I won't name them, but the correct pronouns for the person on the end are they/them.
Next ep is my fave
Important note the sibling at the end is not a man nor are they played by a man. They are nonbinary as is their actor
I cannot wait for you to watch the next episode.
They handled this episode very well, the comic was fairly disturbing.
Have you reacted to The Sandlot yet?
She lay in bed with him once, they could not be together, him been an endless and she been a mortal, so she rejected him, she reject to be her Queen and he took that personally
Just a heads up, that sibling is genderfluid. They are the one member of the Endless who is not male or female (at least exclusively), and the actor uses they/them pronouns.
A quick note, the character at the end (not gonna spoil who it is) is not a he. Both the actor and character are non-binary.
By the way. The sibling at the end (and the actor portraying them) is non-binary, going by they/them.
Non-binary might even be an understatement when it comes to that sibling. 😉
The novel is way more fucked up with the diner scene.
13:52 😬
I think John crushes the ruby because the idea to do it gets planted there by the fates, 3 times he asks them what his future is he doesn't like the answers the first 2 times so keeps asking but all 3 come true. 1st they say he came from dust and will return to dust, so death not come true yet but nothing magically keeping him alive anymore so will. 2nd you'll be bound by walls and guards and the smell of madness, so back to the secure psych ward. And 3rd you've taken some of the power of dreams, you'll take all of it and crush the life of the lord of dreams in your hands. This is the future he wanted to hear where he thinks he wins, so this is what he does not realising the outcome. As Lucien said in the earlier episodes the fates never give you a plain answer.
Oh and the character at the end is played by a non-binary actor who uses they/them pronouns rather then he/him just for refference because they crop up again in a few more episodes