Why the MAHABHARATA is NOT a MORAL Book| Pale Blue Thoughts
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- Was the Mahabharata a book in which justice prevails over injusgtice? Not Really ! If you look agt the story line carefully, you can see that a lot of injustice were done on the Kauravas and the Pandavas had an unjust claim on the kingdom. This is a critical look at the great Indian epic - through the eyes of the Kauravas.
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#Justiceforkauravas
It's a just a story ,not a moral story.
Fact
FACT
@stelluim - It is just a story, but not JUST ( as in justice) 😉
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superb sir
@AbhaySingh-dv2yu - Thanks a lot ❤️❤️❤️
really good content sir I hope you'll come up with a SERIES on this
you spoke about the things that are mostly in my head
if Kauravas would have won the war, we would be coming across them as hero's for sure
if we read all the religious books keeping logic and morality as a magnifying glass we would be discording more than 99% of them
thank you for your hard work sir you clear most of my questions regarding most of the things
@sudheer1795 - yes there will be another video which i will make on the Mahabharata - on how gthe Kurukshetra war is really a story to note the constellations - just like the Durga story !
The diplomacy of literature lies in the minds of the reader.©️
Excellent video. I like Mahabharata for its story and intricate web of relationships. And we can't deny that the authors made it a point to keep a good part of the plot in a grey area too. But it's often presented to us in black and white, which it's not. Involvement of the God concept makes religion to cling on to it as some sort of sacred text which shows victory of good over evil.
But really is that its just a book, and the story is interesting too. Feels like it was some kind of experiment by authors of that time to write a story trying to see, "let's see how far we can get in making darker side look more correct". All for some lulz.
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@ShonitGupta12 - absolutely agree. And hey did you know that even the Kurukshetra war was based on constellations ? I am preparing a video on it. By the way really appreciate the donation. Thanks a lot. Appreciate it ❤️❤️❤️❤️
When is the ORGANIC FARMING video coming?
You said long back that u will do it..
Very soon ... Am working on it. Research for such topics takes a long time. plus i changed cities which caused me to pause making videos for a while. That and the debunking Yoga video are on the way..soon.
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Way too funny, I like this version
@yoyodude-aoe2726 - Thanks a lot ❤️
Thank you. The question "Who is the legal heir of the throne" was always my question and you echoed what I always thought.
Dhrutarastra was the king when Pandu left the kingdom does not make sense. The blind person who was called "ineligible" to sit on the throne, became eligible? No logic. Right?
In any of the permutations & combinations, Dharmaraj is not in the picture to be sitting on the throne.
I brought this question so many times with so many theists but no one had an answer.
Wise men think alike 😊.
Thank you very much Sir. Am gklad we are on the same frequency 😉
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Pinnalla ! 😁
Another great video. I had the same view that Kauravas were undeservingly framed as the bad guys. But now I think it's not so black and white.... Good or bad was determined in a situation basis. For example, the Kauravas lost all moral ground when they laid their grubby hands on Draupathi. I think unlike ramayan Mahabharat does not render itself to two dimensional morality, hence unlike Ram, Mahabharata characters remain elusive to appropriation
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“It’s just a book” only right answer
It reflects the values of the society at that time.
It does the values of today's society too,
#justiceforkauravas :D :D
also sir a kind request, can you please a video on caste/verna system and its origin of atrocities and their time line [since most ppl think verna system is converted to caste during British reign]
show some videos on the atrocities committed to the lower strata people
@sudheer1795 - ooohh !! isnt that getting a bit too political? I usually stray clear of politics and let people likle Dhruv Rathee deal with it.
Better #justice for Draupadi and the women of the epic. Why justice for men either Pandav or Kaurav, they were all grey at some point. It's the women who suffered directly-indirectly for the deeds not even done by them.
Absolutely. Agree 💯
sir i just want a vedio on vedas how much old are they and is vedic period exist or not . is sanskrit is oldest language or it is prakrit or Tamil or..... ( English is not good i know)😅
@AbhaySingh-dv2yu - i think i have mentioned about the vedas and Vedic sankrit in my first video debunking Ayurveda. Sankrit is Proto-European and history tells that Tamil existed even before that.
@@PaleBlueThoughtscan u kindly provide me the evidence for your claims please
VichitraVirya really do had a vichitra virya thats why he couldnt have a child 😂Ancient people were genius in the art of naming
Vicky Vyasa 😀
At 9:52 how come it for gainig the entire I don't think the game was for that. Also its considered a pride think during that time that id some king invited other king to play the game of dice then he should accept.
The thing is Yudhistira likes to play the game of gamble which is certainly his weakness and it was properly exploited by the Kauravas.
11:02 Hmm yes agreeing everything, but a better Nuance answer is given by Ami Ganatra on Vaad TH-cam Channel The topic of the video was "Mahaharata Unravelled"
At 13:00 Well yeah Both Valmiki Ramayana and Mahabharata actually deals with Dharma Vs Dharma not Adharma Vs Dharma, actual scholars of that epic clearly knows that, its just the popular TV versions likes to put everything in Black and White since the people in general don't deal with subtelities of the Epic.
13:40 yes it was not Ethical at all, the same thing that all the Warriors including Karna killed together the Abhimanyu.
13:57 Don't say lie say half Truth, he said "Ashwathama Died but whether it was a Elephant or Drona's son its unknown"
Some version say that while he was telling the truth Lord Krishna ordered to the army to create more noise so that Drona won't able to hear the Truth
Let me add another caviate after the killing of Drona, Arjun himself was very angry on Dhristdumna that how could you kill his Guru and that too a Bahmin, to this Dhrisdumn said "Well if he is a Brahmin then why is he even fighting (i.e. doing the work of Kshatriya)" this is the place where there is kinda Clash between "Birth Based Varna and Work Based varna"
14:05 Yes it was wrong to attack Bhishma in that way but well the thing is this trick was given by Bhishma himself to Pandawas a night before, here is again a clash That Transgender person was actually a raised as warrior, but Bhishma consider him/her/whatever as women. Then what to consider, again a clash of Dharmas. Personal Dharma(Bhishma consider him/her as Women so he won't fight) and the opinion of the army from both sides(that he/she was considered as the warrior from the very start of the battle) it's just that the transgender person was the charioteer in the 10th day.
14:13 Again obscuring the Sun via Maya/Power/Trickery is whether wrong or not is debatable, since many Mayawi type asuras were there in both the parties those were allowed. So its in grey area, also it might be possible that for sudden many clouds would have really covered the Sun completely for a small amount of time.
14:25 Well that was the wrong thing done by Bhima.
The justification he gave was that What can he do he already took the oath of breaking the Thigh of Kaurava during the Vastrharan thing. Also, Krishna said well all the tricks Duryodhana did by then its justifiable,,,,,,grey area. well disrobing someone else' wife is also dishonourable btw.
Obviously Critical Analysis of the Any Story/Ideology/Party is necessary
Sir actually Valmiki Ramayana and Mahabharata were critically analyised in Univerversity PHD as subjects in BHU etc.
Good that you came up with such a Video.
Ami Ganatra do a similar kind of Analysis on Ramayana and Mahabharata.
@sumitdutta7043 - the point that i was trying to make was yes, it is just a story of olden times. based on what was prevailing at that time. but is it necessary to glorify it in today's age when our morality is much higher? Is it relevant in today's age? Should we gloat about these things even today?? Illiad was a great epic - but do greeks go gaga over it today?
@@PaleBlueThoughts Its a story which deals with Dharma Vs Dharma i.e. when both the options seems equal then what to choose. So gives a great learning for such cases obviously not the whole epic is a necessary thing.
Our morality is higher ---- What is the criteria, also how we came to such level of morality i.e. its historical background is also a necessary thing. Note: The value which you regard as important also has a past, its not like it suddenly appeared 1 day.
Relevance - Yes and No both let the reader decide it its relevant or not.
Should we gloat or not - Again Yes and No, yes to a certain extent not saying things like current morality is very bad or saying things like morality of other religions are bad. No - Since already many people gload about this and most of the people gloat it after watching TV serials not like reading the authentic scripture, in TV Shows things are made too much black and white.
Illiad if it has some great morality lessons like for example those Dharma Vs Dharma thing then those things are worth studiyng.
Again Morality standars changes to what you are saying best now after 200 years people might have different morality standards. There are certain values which are universal but many of the things changes with time, so its good to know the historical roots of such values which can be from bible(in case of our constitution, Note I am talking about the root not the current complete form of constitution) or some other value system.
The best thing is to do the critical analysis of every scripture whether it is Mahabharata, Bible, Quran etc.
Values evolved with time, but the scriptures sometimes consist of the value system of that era etc.
For Mahabharat you can Buy the book: Mahabharat Unravelled by Ami Ganatra where the author discussed such critical issues of Morality in scriptures.
You should watch OMG 2 movie, there are many topics in it which you can make videos about..
OMG - I won’t be able to sit through it. I watched OMG 1 and it was just pathetic ! Just a way to blow down atheists.
@@PaleBlueThoughts this is different, this time it's not about atheism..it is about Sex education, mastrubation, the tolerance & myths surrounding it. Film also glorifies sanatan dharma. So , you can talk what was correct and incorrect with those topics.
@ShivaTejPatil _ i remember sitting and editing a video while my wife was watching OMG2 and i could hear what was going on and it made me cringe a lot of times that i went and sat in another room to finish my edit. Should have made a video when it was released. not sure if it would be relevant now.
@@PaleBlueThoughts the rational & scientific topics are always relevant..definitely there will be more views
Kannada movie KURUKSHETRA has Mahabharata narrated from Kaurava perspective, Duryodhana is main character
Is it ? That’s news to me. Will watch it if available. With subs Ofcourse 😁
@@PaleBlueThoughts yes available on zee5 , but vfx not so good, many of the actors & even the director are 'seniors'
I'd rather watch sci-fi than kinky fantasy stories. Thanks for educating though.
😂, great great great video man ❤ great video 👍
Thank you so much. I am really glad you liked it. Appreciate your comments ❤️❤️❤️
I don't wanna sound rude but i think u have a pretty messed up understanding of rajadharma and the rules of succession
1) dhritrashtra only became the king bcos pandu the actual crown prince renounced his kingship. After dhritrashtra yudhisthira who both had the qualities and rights was supposed to be the ruler
2) as per rules of conceiving a child it's perfectly sound to ask a divine being for a child apart from niyoga. They are valid heirs
3) duryodhana was born evil he tired to kill his own brother bhima
4) yuddhishthira's action of putting his wife on the bet has been criticized thoroughly
5) winning war by unfair means is justified if it is to establish dharma also karna wasn't killed unfairly he was cursed by the earth goddess same with bhishma who was cursed by ambika.
I think u should really read mahabharata unraveled by ami ganatra 😊
Do you know when mahabharata was composed.
It's our history and history cannot be composed
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@@daviddexter25 😂nobody needs your validation keep saying whatever you want, it doesn't matter anyway
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was legitimate heir to throne by all parameters. If you go by the traditional Inheritance rule then also it was pandu who was king of Hastinapur and after he abdicated his throne, dhritarashtra was just a caretaker king. Offically dhritarashtra was not crowned as king ever in mahabharat. So being eldest and also being eldest son of previous king pandu it is Yudhisthira. By another parameter of merit also it is no brainer to even compare duryodhan to Yudhisthira. Kuru family didn't always followed the traditional Inheritance rule. King bharat made bhumanyu bharadwaj adopted son as king discarding his biological sons. Shantanu was youngest son of his father.
Niyoga was accepted practice and even duryodhans father as well as pandavas father and vidura were born same way.
Other questions you asked that why Yudhishthir played the game of dice twice, it was because he had vow to never decline a challenge
It is from mahabharat you can read
Vidura said,-'O monarch, Sakuni, the king of Gandhara, an adept at dice, having great skill of hand and desperate in stakes, Vivingati, king Chitrasena, Satyavrata, Purumitra and Jaya, these, O king, are there.'
"Yudhishthira said,-'It would seem then that some of the most desperate and terrible gamblers always depending upon deceit are there. This whole universe, however, is at the will of its Maker, under the control of fate. It is not free. O learned one, I do not desire, at the command of king Dhritarashtra to engage myself in gambling. The father always wisheth to benefit his son. Thou art our master, O Vidura. Tell me what is proper for us. Unwilling as I am to gamble, I will not do so, if the wicked Sakuni doth not summon me to it in the Sabha? If, however, he challengeth me, I will never refuse. For that, as settled, is my eternal vow.”
Another question you asked, why drithrastra divide the kingdom in two, because his son Duryodhana plotted pandava's murder in house of Lac,
However, the plot failed and Pandavas escaped.
At the end, they arrived at Panchala kingdom and got married to Draupadi, the princess of Panchala. They were now powerful again having the very powerful Panchalas as their allies along with the Yadavas, Bhojas,
Vrishnis and Sini. Yudhishthira came forward and demanded to be restored. In exchange, he would forget all the crimes and injustice. Duryodhana would not budge. Finally after much deliberation, the kingdom was partitioned. The barren and desert-like half of the kingdom went to Yudhisthira.
Also there's no clear explanation of Dharma and Adharma, could you explain them? Being Dharamaraja nowhere means he is righteous greatest human blah blah, it just means he has knowledge of dharma like vidhura
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What makes you think that you can critique a story that is written a language you cannot speak?
What makes you think I don’t know the language in which the fairy tale is written ? And why should it matter if I read a translation ?
@@PaleBlueThoughts यदि त्वं जानासि संस्कृतं तर्हि किमर्थं न प्रदर्शिताः श्लोकाः त्वया महाभारतात् तव निन्दावाचः प्रमाणाय |
@@PaleBlueThoughts It seems you have edited your answer after realizing who you are talking to and I understand that like all atheists you are uneducated in the sanskrit language. Everything matters if you read the translation or the original source. When you read the translations of Mahabharata were you made aware of an allusion made to the electromagnetic wave in a hymn dedicated to the Ashwini twins by the translation?
@ecneicsPhD4554 I exited the comment even before you made your reply. Maybe you saw it late. And this is a common excuse that apologetics make to whitewash their religious texts. Christian’s have claimed that you should read the Hebrew Bible and Islamists say you need to read it in Arabic and you say read in Sanskrit. A translation is as good as the original to understand the contents as long as it is done by someone who understands the language. And please don’t make me laugh by talking about electromagnetic wave in a hymn. First please understand what an electromagnetic wave is.
@@PaleBlueThoughts Ah. I thought so. If you couldn't see the electromagnetic wave in the translation, then definitely you couldn't see evolutionary tree with common ancestors etc. for various species of birds mentioned in the Sambhavaparva and you definitely couldn't see structures mentioned in the mantle which corroborates with the structures mentioned in the Balakanda of Ramayana. Then this begs the question why do you think you can see morality in Mahabharata after you missed all of the above?
😂😂 making kauravas a victim wow😂😂
Soon maybe a video on raavanā? this video just sounds like a mocking
Why not ? Yes. Mocking the idea of justice in fairy tales.
utter nonsense
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@@PaleBlueThoughts padh liyo first before vomiting
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