interesting! I learned a variation on that ass jack in bjj. difference is instead of bottom person in turtle, they're on their back. person standing goes for a double under pass, deep grab in the lapel, top person moves a bit, positioning their body on the opposite side of which lapel is grabbed, pop the head out from their legs, grab the belt and lift em up. meanwhile person being choked contemplates their life choices
Great comment and question! The Japanese word Hasami means to hold between something. There are several Jujitsu techniques of different types that use this word as well as the strangle you are referring to. Hasami Jime is pretty much like what is now often called Jigoku Jime (Hell Strangle). So actually, calling this move be either name is okay. But to add even more confusion to the whole discussion of names of techniques, what we now often call Sode Jime (Sleeve Choke) was also called Hasami Jime by some of the early Kodokan teachers such as Kyuzo Mifune. In his book, CANON OF JUDO, Mifune is shown doing Hasami Jime while on his back as an escape from Kami Shiho Gatame. The more generic name "Ashi Jime" (Leg Choke) or the lesser used name "Ashi Gatame Jime" (Leg Locking Choke) are older variations of a step over application of Jigoku Jime. This is a strangle where the attacker swings or places his leg over the back of the defender's neck or head. In many Judo clubs, this is called Jigoku Jime, but calling it Ashi Jime or Ashi Gatame Jime is correct as well. This shows how some names of techniques are etched in stone. As time and technical applications have evolved, the names of some techniques have changed while others have not. Again, thanks for your great comment and question!
Yup, its a straight choke..re-enforced with the top leg for added pressure and to prevent opponent from simply rolling out. Ive been cought in this before. Zeus Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu (monterey, ca)
If ylu wouldn't mind, could you explain why this hold is no longer called 'jigoku jime' and what it's called now? th-cam.com/video/5kHjF5OkwMs/w-d-xo.html I'd expect it's just called 'katatejime' and the reason being because perhaps this choke came along and so they decided this was more fitting of the title? But i don't know: if anybodymll know the history of this it's you
The Kodokan re-classified quite a number of techniques this past year or two, including some of the Shime Waza (Strangling Techniques). I believe there are now about 12 or so strangles listed in their official syllabus and Jigoku Jime is not one of them. I think the Kodokan is making a real attempt to give names to techniques based more on how they are applied and getting away from the more traditional and common names such as Jigoku Jime. The name Jigoku Jime has historically been given to any strangle where the attacker controls or traps the head, neck, shoulder or arms with one of his legs to apply additional pressure and control to the strangle along with the actual lapel strangle that is being applied-but does not use the leg(s) as the primary method of applying the actual strangle. The leg pressure really adds a lot of pressure due to the strength of your leg in applying it. My coaches always told me it was named Jigoku Jime because it "hurts like hell." Jigoku translates to "hell" and Jime translates to "squeeze or to tighten or to trap in a pincer type movement." A lot of people have called Jigoku Jime the "Crucifix Choke" as one form of it involves using your leg to trap your opponent's arm/shoulder in what looks to be a crucifix position. This often is done by a roll backward or forward over the defender's body. Katatejime or Single Hand Strangle is also a lapel strangle and if you apply it as you use your leg to help trap and add pressure, you can also call it Jigoku Jime. So pretty much anytime you use a leg to add pressure, trap or control your opponent's head, arm or shoulder area (and not form a Triangle or Sankaku as in Sankaku Jime-as the pressure in this strangle is from your legs as the primary means of control and pressure), you are doing a Jigoku Jime. There are quite a few different strangles that go by Jigoku Jime but all have in common the fact that the attacker uses a leg to trap, control or add pressure in association with the primary strangling action (most often a lapel strangle). You posed a great comment and question! Hope this helped.
welcomematstevescott thank you very much. I have heard of te 'crucifix choke', i figured that was the Brazillian Jiu Jitsu term for the the choke. I prefer this choke to the one shown in the link, but both are quite easy and very strong. I went to a new dojo and we did some newaza as the first thing we did and i did this choke immediately and my opponent was stunned because you don't see it often. I think there may have been one person who's done tit o me a long time ago but i don't see people doing it, and i often wonder why
We've done some work on a video on the Crucifix Choke and will have it on the channel in the near future. If you like, go to my Facebook group called Steve Scott Training Group and ask to join. I feature some videos on there that haven't been shown yet on this TH-cam channel.
interesting! I learned a variation on that ass jack in bjj. difference is instead of bottom person in turtle, they're on their back. person standing goes for a double under pass, deep grab in the lapel, top person moves a bit, positioning their body on the opposite side of which lapel is grabbed, pop the head out from their legs, grab the belt and lift em up. meanwhile person being choked contemplates their life choices
beautiful choke ! 😍😍😍😍
You are right-this is a great strangle and has a high ratio of success. Glad you like it!
I ve been looking for in google and found a choke called hasami ashi jime that looks very similar, do u know something about this choke?
Great comment and question! The Japanese word Hasami means to hold between something. There are several Jujitsu techniques of different types that use this word as well as the strangle you are referring to. Hasami Jime is pretty much like what is now often called Jigoku Jime (Hell Strangle). So actually, calling this move be either name is okay. But to add even more confusion to the whole discussion of names of techniques, what we now often call Sode Jime (Sleeve Choke) was also called Hasami Jime by some of the early Kodokan teachers such as Kyuzo Mifune. In his book, CANON OF JUDO, Mifune is shown doing Hasami Jime while on his back as an escape from Kami Shiho Gatame. The more generic name "Ashi Jime" (Leg Choke) or the lesser used name "Ashi Gatame Jime" (Leg Locking Choke) are older variations of a step over application of Jigoku Jime. This is a strangle where the attacker swings or places his leg over the back of the defender's neck or head. In many Judo clubs, this is called Jigoku Jime, but calling it Ashi Jime or Ashi Gatame Jime is correct as well. This shows how some names of techniques are etched in stone. As time and technical applications have evolved, the names of some techniques have changed while others have not. Again, thanks for your great comment and question!
welcomematstevescott wow, what a great explanation, I hope one day I would have at least 20 % of the grappling knowledge that u posess
Thank you!
Looks like it cranks the neck a lot... Is there a risk of neck injury?
No neck crank at all-it's a tight lapel strangle actually. I've never seen a neck injury from this move.
Yup, its a straight choke..re-enforced with the top leg for added pressure and to prevent opponent from simply rolling out.
Ive been cought in this before.
Zeus Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu (monterey, ca)
If ylu wouldn't mind, could you explain why this hold is no longer called 'jigoku jime' and what it's called now? th-cam.com/video/5kHjF5OkwMs/w-d-xo.html
I'd expect it's just called 'katatejime' and the reason being because perhaps this choke came along and so they decided this was more fitting of the title?
But i don't know: if anybodymll know the history of this it's you
The Kodokan re-classified quite a number of techniques this past year or two, including some of the Shime Waza (Strangling Techniques). I believe there are now about 12 or so strangles listed in their official syllabus and Jigoku Jime is not one of them. I think the Kodokan is making a real attempt to give names to techniques based more on how they are applied and getting away from the more traditional and common names such as Jigoku Jime. The name Jigoku Jime has historically been given to any strangle where the attacker controls or traps the head, neck, shoulder or arms with one of his legs to apply additional pressure and control to the strangle along with the actual lapel strangle that is being applied-but does not use the leg(s) as the primary method of applying the actual strangle. The leg pressure really adds a lot of pressure due to the strength of your leg in applying it. My coaches always told me it was named Jigoku Jime because it "hurts like hell." Jigoku translates to "hell" and Jime translates to "squeeze or to tighten or to trap in a pincer type movement." A lot of people have called Jigoku Jime the "Crucifix Choke" as one form of it involves using your leg to trap your opponent's arm/shoulder in what looks to be a crucifix position. This often is done by a roll backward or forward over the defender's body. Katatejime or Single Hand Strangle is also a lapel strangle and if you apply it as you use your leg to help trap and add pressure, you can also call it Jigoku Jime. So pretty much anytime you use a leg to add pressure, trap or control your opponent's head, arm or shoulder area (and not form a Triangle or Sankaku as in Sankaku Jime-as the pressure in this strangle is from your legs as the primary means of control and pressure), you are doing a Jigoku Jime. There are quite a few different strangles that go by Jigoku Jime but all have in common the fact that the attacker uses a leg to trap, control or add pressure in association with the primary strangling action (most often a lapel strangle). You posed a great comment and question! Hope this helped.
welcomematstevescott thank you very much. I have heard of te 'crucifix choke', i figured that was the Brazillian Jiu Jitsu term for the the choke. I prefer this choke to the one shown in the link, but both are quite easy and very strong. I went to a new dojo and we did some newaza as the first thing we did and i did this choke immediately and my opponent was stunned because you don't see it often. I think there may have been one person who's done tit o me a long time ago but i don't see people doing it, and i often wonder why
We've done some work on a video on the Crucifix Choke and will have it on the channel in the near future. If you like, go to my Facebook group called Steve Scott Training Group and ask to join. I feature some videos on there that haven't been shown yet on this TH-cam channel.
welcomematstevescott thank you very much, your instructions have greatly improved my knowledge of judo and understanding of the concepts