I’m open to criticism but you lost me at the beginning when you said you weren’t a big fan of the original game. How can you claim it’s all an insult to fans if your not even a fan? Lots of bad takes.
@@HakuYuki001That is a get-out "diplomacy" stance just to shut down valid arguments. Real victims of actual things are not getting the attention that they need because you're finding reasons to hold grudges against video games
I don’t know all the in’s and out’s of the FF7 lore, but here’s what I do know (about storytelling in general): lore and an overarching plot work best when they just serve as ignorable background noise while the characters, their relationships, their emotions, and some sort of compelling real life allegory take center stage. To that end, Remake and Rebirth (until chapter 14) did a good job appealing to me as a person who is not knee-deep in Final Fantasy lore.
The originsl ff7 was presented like a concise, quick moving movie. The remakes are presented like a tv series with much more space to breathe. It wouldn't be hard to understand if everyone didn't enjoy freaking out about anything and everything.
I think if you view the entire compilation as a tv series, not just the remakes, your analogy makes sense. You’ve got all this extra character development that people will love, but in regards to the plot, I don’t think any of the story elaboration is necessary. Kind of the same reason why I don’t like most tv shows; I’d rather they take that 10 hours of story and compress it into a 2 hour movie. Here’s the part where I’m a hypocrite. I hate to admit it, but since this video I played Rebirth, and I think the character interactions are much more interesting than the main storyline.
@@RushHourWeekend People just like to freak out soon as they can, going the opposite direction that would lead them to stop and think. There's a lot of malaise out there over Hollywood not producing "original movies", and that attaches itself to all kinds of media, games included, and of course, the ff7 remake initiative. If you prefer movies and not TV show type stuff, that's fair enough, but it's more like this. Movies move generally at a brisk pace, but TV has a lot more time to kind of look around. In the og FF7 (movie) they just swept by the GI Tribe really, the only function was they were an adversary during Red XIII's journey to find Seto. In Rebirth it's the same, but they decided to expand upon them considerably, giving them a big lore and didn't have before, not just for their own characters but also connected to the overall story, for they are the unit who concocted the black materia, which in the og it "just existed". It's one thing being a hypocrite, and another thing realizing you've been one. Everyone is a hypocrite in various ways, but most don't ever want to admit it. Yeah Rebirth (and Remake) have far more fleshed out character interactions because they let it all breathe (like a TV show), they are giving themselves time to get to where they want to go so we have lots of little interactions here or there that the og never expanded upon. Yuffie has her own particular dynamic with everyone in the party, she was more ninja-like in the og, she wasn't that close to anyone, stayed on her own on the airship, had most 'affinity' with the group when she robbed their materia in Wutai etc. Whether you prefer the older closed-off Yuffie or the newer more outgoing Yuffie is up to you, but it can't be denied she has way way more relevance this time around. (Not "you" in particular, all of us really - I like both Yuffie, I'll have to see what her being a brat when they get to Wutai is like before I make a decision)
I remember really loving 7 when I was kid, playing maybe 10+ times back on 2001. But then the film come out, the spin off and then the annoying fans... it sure burn one bad. I had being called hatter of FF series for years now because I do say that all this spin off and re-writing are as you say, an insult to the fans. It is also why I tend to stay as far as possible from those fans on every web.
@@UltimaWeapon20 But everything does kinda suck. To date besides TWD S4 nothing has come close to FF7 and I knew playing crisis core and even remake that there was something fundamentally wrong. I clicked on it because a big part of me agrees and he delivered so I don't see it as clickbait.
You need to go and find the real definition of clickbait lol he addressed everything about why the compilation sucks, no one got baited, just say you disagree and keep it moving
So... let me see if i understand... at the beggining you said you are not a final fantasy 7 fan... and yet, you have played every game, watched the movie etc... just to hate on it??? Why??? If you seriously dont like it ( because is obvious that you dont...) why are you doing that to yourself??? I mean if you hate it so much and think is that bad and with every new entry is getting worse... then why continue on it???
Hi Rush! I want to say first and foremost that I really found your video to be quite entertaining. I am also of the opinion that the Compilation, in its entirety, is an insult, but more than anything, to FFVII itself. The comments seem to be filled with Compilation fans probably coming over to hate comment and downvote as a campaign from some obscure Discord server or FB group, but do not be intimidated by a fandom known for being vile and insecure. With that said, I want to invite you to a community oriented towards OG FFVII fans and content creators that are more aligned with the perspective of the Compilation being a blight on the IP. If you are interested, do let me know and I'll send the invite. To anyone who is a fan of Comp titles, you are also welcome to join! :D
Sometimes you just gotta say enough is enough. Final Fantasy VII was a big deal for the time but my god it's been milked so goddamn much that its appeal has wavered. The remake is turning it into a parody of itself I swear to god. I actually beat Dirge Of Cerberus not long ago because I wanted to settle a vendetta with that game One thing you didn't mention about Dirge Of Cerberus is how broken the melee system is. If you shoot Azul the Cerulean with your gun he will barely even lose any health, you have to shoot the nearby barrels to hurt him... but if you walk up to him and melee him (which is annoying to do because of the lock on) you will kill him in literal seconds. What a stupid game. Genesis literally exists for Gackt to cosplay as Dante from Devil May Cry 2 I swear to god. I think the remake is the worst of the bunch simply because at least with Dirge Of Cerberus and Crisis Core, you could just simply forget they even existed. Also I'd argue that FF7 Remake has a worse combat system than both of them simply because the remake's combat system has so many freaking HP Sponge enemies where you deal crap all damage till you fill that stupid gauge they brought over from FF XIII and then you can suddenly dead decent enough damage. At least with crisis core, battles would end quickly and you could beat the game extremely fast, remake though... it's a colossal time waste. Not to mention Crisis Core and Dirge Of Cerberus are both sort of original stories that tie in with Final Fantasy VII somewhat, remake is just VII's story again but more bloated and a parody of itself where all the female characters are suddenly obsessively thirsty over Cloud for no freaking reason. I mean Tifa makes sense since she's a childhood friend and all that, aerith, I guess since it was similar in the original but freaking Jessie!? WTF? In the original Jessie was not like that at all, like why on earth is she so ridiculously obsessed with wanting to fuck Cloud? Why is that the only thing her entire character revolves around? It's so freaking lame.# But yeah none of these games need to exist, I just don't care about them whatsoever, it's hard to look back on FFVII and not see as a convoluted mess at this point.
I tried to replay remake when it came to pc and I couldn't even finish it, I got to the part in wall street where Madam M sends you to do a buncha tasks before you get the dress. Finished the tasks went back to tell her and she sends me to do something else, at that point I felt like this padding was wayy too much. Went back to the original cuz its been a long time to see if they wasted your time running back and forth like that and nope, pacing is quite good in the original throw in a couple of graphic mods and a mod that adds voice acting to all the dialogue and I'm having way more fun with the game. Crazy how random battles feel less like a time waster then the run around Remake puts you through.
I get what Square was going for with Remake - they wanted to immerse you in this world by developing all these extra characters - but better to have that as optional content. That way, players that don't really care about these characters can skip these quests, and players that do care can tackle as much of it as they like. I think visiting Jessie's parents and the entire motorcycle segment could've been a sidequest for players that want to learn more about Jessie. That way, side quests in the game would've actually been interesting, instead of finding missing cats.
agreed the pacing is not great at least in remake pt1 (haven't tried pt2 yet). There's certain sections I wouldn't want to play again in R, and for that and the pacing, it feels more like a rental than a classic game you could play over and over again. R1 graphics are great, and it is neat to see more ff7, but I agree ff7 is just so good all around. I'm curious to play R2, but I'm no longer in a place where I can justify buying a whole system for one or a few games. So it's either PC or no for me most likely
@@RushHourWeekend it smacks of rushed development. They probably planned to do what you said but then needed to just throw in garbage quests when they ran out of time. They could have done so much with Midgar. Imagine what it'd been like if you could do proper quests for the people in the slums and also for people living on the plate to learn more about the differences in the way they lived. Instead we have to do things like kill monsters in a warehouse then kill more monsters in the same warehouse. I hope killing rats was a joke inserted by someone unhappy with the generic nature of the quests.
Damn bro, you mad? 😂 I only hated the mini games being forced into every chapter. Loved playing through the rest. I have to agree with the walking segments tho. It slows down your momentum too much but overall it’s really fun
It's a shame about the forced walking, because the combat can be a lot of fun. I genuinely enjoyed the boss fights. As far as real-time action Final Fantasies go, I like the combat in Remake a lot better than FF15 and FF16.
That doesn't even make sense in this instance unless you're implying the original game was bad. And if you are, you'd have to be the Hellen Keller of art crisism to equate the badness of the compilation with the original regardless.
@@hian Of course It does make sense. 93 in metacritic, done by the original creators, lovingly of the original material, Most fans LOVE It too (userscore is also above 90) ...yet for him everything smells bad. When this happen often, its on you.
@@MrDiomedes1977 I mean, that's not the right application of the saying insofar this person didn't hate the original FFVII and presumably plenty of other things. By your use of this saying, and what you just said, you're essentially just making an ad populum argument which is a fallacy and a cognitive bias. That this is a terrible argument should go without saying. Plenty of trite and banal media has high scores on metacritic. Also no, "the original creators" did not return for this game. Four of the creators did. Of the 10 people who wrote for the event scenes of the original, only 3 did. The fourth is Yusuke Naora, on art. FFVII was worked on by a team of over a 100 people. The man who ran the entire team, Sakaguchi, did not return for the remake. The creative lead designer of the prerendered backgrounds did not return, and a whooping 7 of the original accredited writers did not return. The idea that you cannot grapple with or conceptualize that it's possible to like or enjoy the original FFVII as is, and not enjoy what SE did with the remake/compilation is frankly speaking bafflingly narrow-minded and silly. The fact that you somehow feel the need the need to defensively characterize people like this as being wrong in some sense or faulty as people, rather than jotting it down to a difference in values or taste, is telling as well. You might want to spend some time reflecting on why that is.
I couldn’t finish FF7 Remake because I got bored. I’m someone who a) agrees with this guy’s take, and b) wonders why the game got so high a score on metacritic.
For all the moaning and bitching FFVI fans do when they complain about Square ignoring the game they should be grateful. Their legacy isn’t ruined. They don’t have a compilation that betrays the themes of their games. Their main villain isn’t undermined. They have it lucky
You don't like FF7, of course you won't like Remake nor Rebirth. You think you can understand what is quality, but you're just a crybaby that couldn't even interpret the original FF7 in the right way
@billyboleson2830 Dude, he literally doesn't understand the main themes and message of the story. If he did, he would understand why Advent Children exists. Also, he wouldn't complain about character moments in Remake. That's literally what that game is all about. The other games in the compilation are just cash grabs, but not recognizing quality is worse than not recognizing shit
Agree with all the criticism of the adjacent games. I played most of the stuff and i pretend it doesn't exist. But i love Remake. Agree with the walking tho. And also i loved Rebirth, especially the part where Genesis doesn't show up. I tought to myself they finally retconed that disgrace of a character. But then they decided to introduce a character named Glenn Lodbrock or something like that. I had no idea who that was, had to google the guy only to find out he is a character from the mobile gacha game. And he's really important to the story of Rebirth. He's about to start a war between Wutai and Shinra and i have no idea who he is because i don't play fucking money milking mobile games. So disappointing. Its not just Nojima or Nomuras fault, its a conscious decision by Square to entice people to spend more money in a moronic gacha game. And there my immersion was broken. Until that moment i tought, wow this really is a massive world that feels alive and i the devs really put so much love and care it to this game. And then Glen Lodbrock.
Even though I skipped Rebirth, I think the combat looks great; looks like an improvement over Remake. Didn't know about the gacha character, but I'm not surprised. I think Square made a Kingdom Hearts mobile game that served as a prequel to the series. They can't help but overcomplicate these storylines, so at this point I don't think it's worth taking these stories seriously.
@@RushHourWeekend well that very good cuz these games clearly aren't made for you, there made for a fanbase that wants it and will pay for it. I played the mobile game without spending a damn dime while some others pay with no issue. And the lore if you choose to delve into is interesting it's what keeps alot of fans playing KH has how game syou can play and releasing of steam that will probably make a pretty penny. Be a purists of 7 a completely 100% overhyped game that in nowhere near the best in the series and maybe square will give yall a 1 to 1 remake someday.
They will likely give you all of the info you need about that character in the last part of the remake trilogy. Right now, First Soldier just provides interesting backstory and isn’t necessary. This definitely seems like making a mountain out of a molehill.
Honestly sounds like tour become jaded with cinematic games. Which is ashamed because if you think back to your very first time playing ff7 on the ps1 the game was so cinematic that the 15 hours of actual gameplay was bloated to 60. And while the side games like core weren't perfect they did serve a purpose. They we re meant to give backstop to characters but they were sir characters that at the time the fan were passionate to see more of and were asking to see. Was it all good? Hell no. But it did its job. Lastly the remakes while again not perfect, treaded so much familiar ground precisely because of what the next 2 gamss will be:different. They are tired of telling then same story from 30 years ago because fans cant let it go. Those "ghost" at the end were fates. Physical manifestations of destined history. By killing them they are telling you that these next game will be different. These games aren't meant for you. While some enjoy the original still other may enjoy this revised history even more so which is OK. The original was fire, this reboot for lack of a better term so far is good. The fact that both exist in such different ways allows everyone to enjoy 7 in was that only they can, and the fact that so many people say if should have been left alone, remade in the original format that it has already done so many times; is a bit gatekeeping.
XD this is hilarious. Purists are the cancer of the fanbase. Well them and shippers. The compilation is incredible, and your takes are so bad I thought I shit my pants with how bad they stank.
i got ff 7 remake for ps4, if i wanted to play the new dlc content i would eather have to buy 500e ps5 or 2000 euro new pc, its pretty obvious why i wouldnt care about ff7 rebirth or why some other people wouldnt care about it lmao
I can certainly see the appeal, even if I don't enjoy the games myself. There are plenty of people that enjoy games that focus on exploring the stories behind specific characters. I'm sure there'd even be people interested in a dedicated Cait Sith stealth game.
Zack as a protagonist carries crisis core rebirth, regardless of its prequel status.. that being said it enriches the new sequels only. Aerith character is almot 100% define by not being breave enough to fully embrace Zack, and this in turns inspires cloud after she died. When the psp game came out it was kind of unecessary when its tag along to ps1 ffvii that cannot express this nuance.
Sorry, I have to disagree with most of what you say. The compilation is not an insult to fans, perhaps it's an insult to purists but definitely not the fans as a whole. Only the purists because they just want the OG and that's it and they make it to be. A 1 to 1 remake with very little addition. While your opinion is just as valid as mine, I just thought I needed to post the counter to it and I know I won't hit every point so I apologize in advance. Advent Children does have its issues but to those who have dived into the lore and listened to the online audio book of On the Way to a Smile and read the book The Kid's are Alright, it helps the movie make more sense. Yes, the turks were murderers and should have paid for killing thousands but.... this movie itself is about Redemption. It focuses on people who suffers from regret and grief, it's like the secondary story of a war veteran who must now integrate back into society and deal with the what has happened even if he was heroic. I found the story in that aspect very relatable. My complaint was more about lack of other characters not getting the spotlight they needed except during fight scenes, not using magic or other summons which they had and still yet after everything there were some things left ambiguous. For the time it was made, overall I think it was a great movie. First Soldier Mobile could have been really successful had they put it on PC and eventually console. Now that SE is going multi-platformer it could have been much more successful. I actually enjoyed it. I even wrote a fanfiction for the last three rando models in the First Soldier trailer which so far they have not used in the canon story. Dirge of Cerebus was more about showing an even darker side of Shinra just to hammer how evil they really were. Vincent Valentine's story itself was actually more fascinating than Cloud's in my opinion. His involvement stretches all the way from Before Crisis to the present part of the compilation. The multiplayer DoC added some more lore to it which kind of gave it some more cohesion; so with that said, I will concede and agree with you on the part that the coherence was all over the place with some media not being available at all but only in Japan like Before Crisis as well. I think Vincent with the new antagonists, it really gave a nice extension to the series, however it was short and did leave some things to be desired. Granted the story was a bit out there but with some editing they actually could make it much better and as far as game play, it was the PS2 era and let's just say the dialogue also wasn't the best. Sure it has it's flaws with the mysterious ending, but it added a lot of new lore to the world which I do appreciate. Crisis Core was Zack's story, to me I felt like the man who set Cloud forward on his destiny was worth getting a back story. Like DoC, it is plagued with annoying features, it's definitely not perfect as a game and the UMD it was on was expensive and there was about another 25% of the game that was actually cut out due to that expense. The story of Zack and Aerith was one I felt was worth telling, after all it was expanded lore from the OG. Aerith mentions Zack was her first love. It was amazing how popular Zack became after introducing his story and him as a character. To be honest, I actually like Zack a little more than Cloud. I liked Genesis too even if he had some cringe moments, his quirky/cringe Loveless obsession kind of gave him a lot of charm. I aslo liked how we saw Genesis evolve through the story as well and I really liked Angeal. We also got to see a different side of Sephiroth which kind of made him a much more complex character. Remake I will say that I was a bit upset at first when they decided to take it a different direction, but after playing through it another time, I actually came to appreciate it and have since embraced it as a sequel to the compilation. It's not perfect but I definitely see the improvement from the other games they have made. While I will say there are definitely flaws and things I will definitely agree with you with, the story aspect that I wanted out of it really made it more interesting to me. Perhaps I fall into the new group of people who appreciate it for what it is, but at the end of the day it is the DEVs story and they have the right to add or change whatever it is they like whether we agree with it or not and don't even get me started on the shipping wars which has poisoned the well even more. I'm scared to see what will happen to the community once they decide to canonize the shipments when it comes to the Zerith, Cloti, and Clerith Clans. While I do get some of the purist mentality, I've accepted that times change and they will never be able to recapture that moment 27 years ago (as of this posting) that we felt back then because we were all different people then. Some of us were just kids. I've enjoyed the story thus far and at this point just enjoying the ride.
Very fascinating to see the perspective of someone that's engrossed in this storyline. I'll admit, I am somewhat invested in the series at this point, otherwise I wouldn't have played all these games. I can appreciate just how different each game is in terms of gameplay, but when it comes to a game bringing the complete package of great combat and great storytelling, it's disappointing to see that the series peaked with the first entry.
@@RushHourWeekend Don't get me wrong, the game play mechanics and dialogue in these spin off games definitely doesn't help them, but I will say the fandom is so divided that no matter what the devs do they will not be able to please everyone.
this is one of the better defense statement for 7+ i have read. a lot of people seemed to forget that its not just black/white, so i really appreciate that you acknowledge both sides. if you ever decide to make a video talking about it and expand more, i would watch it 100%. i do agree that the shipping poisoned the well.. im not part of the writing team, but as a writer myself, i am endlessly in fear for them. in 7r, they are basically using all 3 heroines(including jessie) as story telling devices for cloud's growth. that, and make the 3 symbolize different kinds of attraction and different kinds of love. but that doesnt mean everyone would get it nor want that. so im really worried if they would be able to push through what they really want to do or would the shipping wars cause them to land a safer approach. that safer approach is usually the lamest approach and would end with the lamest conclusion where no one is really satisfied. and lets face it, even after 7r, that shipping wars would still continue no matter what cause it is what it is... also for the purist, tons of mods has already been made by fans themselves for the og 7. the 7th heaven mod for example already gives og 7 the modern look everyone was looking for. og 7 mods in general are some of the highest quality fan built mods out there. theres really no reason for squareenix to redo og 7 1:1 cause again, fans has already done them for years now. if squareenix decided to redo og 7 1:1, theres portion of the fandom that would still rant about it and might even say that the fan made mods are better or what not
@@songohan5866 At this point for Crisis Core Reunion I wished we got DLC for the content they had originally planned for CC but cut due to the price of UMDs on PSP. I'm sure we will get a similar remake remaster for Dirge of Cerebus hopefully they include some of the lore from the multiplayer DoC.... I also hope they decide to give us a proper remake for Before Crisis too. The new upcoming Ever Crisis First Soldier teases a young Angeal.... which may actually be that cut content they had originally planned for CC
Thank you for saying what needed to be said. What they've done to FF7 is terrible and everyone is too blinded by nostalgia to even admit how bad it is.
Not a ff7 fan, yet you claim you've played them all, and you hate the compilations.....? Lol. Cool story, bro. It's not the compilations that are an insult to fans. It's people like you.
Nah, not even close. As boring and bland as FFXVI was, at least it was a linear story that was mostly simple and told in a cohesive manner. 7 Rebirth is so unbelievably fucked that it ruins one of the most iconic moments in gaming history.
I'll probably play Rebirth at some point later this year. At the very least the combat and some of the minigames look entertaining enough. I'm a sucker for card minigames in rpgs, and Queen's Blood looks pretty cool.
I enjoyed Crisis Core when it was new. Replaying it for this video, I found it to be a slog, at least the PSP version. The remake does look a little bit better, at least as far as combat goes.
Amen!
The vandalization of the original FFVII is truly horrific.
I’m open to criticism but you lost me at the beginning when you said you weren’t a big fan of the original game. How can you claim it’s all an insult to fans if your not even a fan? Lots of bad takes.
I agree. he just keeps on making this videos hoping to get clout from actual fans. no wonder he only have 291 subs until now.
"You can't speak for us because you are not one of us"
Get over yourselves. Your not important or hard to understand.
@@HakuYuki001That is a get-out "diplomacy" stance just to shut down valid arguments. Real victims of actual things are not getting the attention that they need because you're finding reasons to hold grudges against video games
I don’t know all the in’s and out’s of the FF7 lore, but here’s what I do know (about storytelling in general): lore and an overarching plot work best when they just serve as ignorable background noise while the characters, their relationships, their emotions, and some sort of compelling real life allegory take center stage. To that end, Remake and Rebirth (until chapter 14) did a good job appealing to me as a person who is not knee-deep in Final Fantasy lore.
I am absolutely loving your channel dude ! Keep doin you because I find all your topics interesting 🔥🔥
The originsl ff7 was presented like a concise, quick moving movie.
The remakes are presented like a tv series with much more space to breathe.
It wouldn't be hard to understand if everyone didn't enjoy freaking out about anything and everything.
I think if you view the entire compilation as a tv series, not just the remakes, your analogy makes sense. You’ve got all this extra character development that people will love, but in regards to the plot, I don’t think any of the story elaboration is necessary. Kind of the same reason why I don’t like most tv shows; I’d rather they take that 10 hours of story and compress it into a 2 hour movie.
Here’s the part where I’m a hypocrite. I hate to admit it, but since this video I played Rebirth, and I think the character interactions are much more interesting than the main storyline.
@@RushHourWeekend People just like to freak out soon as they can, going the opposite direction that would lead them to stop and think. There's a lot of malaise out there over Hollywood not producing "original movies", and that attaches itself to all kinds of media, games included, and of course, the ff7 remake initiative.
If you prefer movies and not TV show type stuff, that's fair enough, but it's more like this. Movies move generally at a brisk pace, but TV has a lot more time to kind of look around. In the og FF7 (movie) they just swept by the GI Tribe really, the only function was they were an adversary during Red XIII's journey to find Seto. In Rebirth it's the same, but they decided to expand upon them considerably, giving them a big lore and didn't have before, not just for their own characters but also connected to the overall story, for they are the unit who concocted the black materia, which in the og it "just existed".
It's one thing being a hypocrite, and another thing realizing you've been one. Everyone is a hypocrite in various ways, but most don't ever want to admit it. Yeah Rebirth (and Remake) have far more fleshed out character interactions because they let it all breathe (like a TV show), they are giving themselves time to get to where they want to go so we have lots of little interactions here or there that the og never expanded upon. Yuffie has her own particular dynamic with everyone in the party, she was more ninja-like in the og, she wasn't that close to anyone, stayed on her own on the airship, had most 'affinity' with the group when she robbed their materia in Wutai etc.
Whether you prefer the older closed-off Yuffie or the newer more outgoing Yuffie is up to you, but it can't be denied she has way way more relevance this time around. (Not "you" in particular, all of us really - I like both Yuffie, I'll have to see what her being a brat when they get to Wutai is like before I make a decision)
I remember really loving 7 when I was kid, playing maybe 10+ times back on 2001. But then the film come out, the spin off and then the annoying fans... it sure burn one bad.
I had being called hatter of FF series for years now because I do say that all this spin off and re-writing are as you say, an insult to the fans.
It is also why I tend to stay as far as possible from those fans on every web.
Original FF7 is the gold standard for story. Anything made in relation becomes an insult it's an unreachable standard. What do you expect?
This
The most spoiled fanbase I've ever seen. Others can only dream of their favorite game getting a remake of this caliber, meanwhile...
Just finished crisis core reunion. Amazing games so far.
This is a clickbait video if I’ve ever seen one. The only insult here is this video.
Not really
Disagree. I have played FF7 17 times, remake twice and almost through Rebirth and I agree with a lot of what he is saying. Not most, but a lot.
@@tendayichin8578 that’s not the point. I’m talking about the title and thumbnail. You do know what clickbait means right?
@@UltimaWeapon20 But everything does kinda suck. To date besides TWD S4 nothing has come close to FF7 and I knew playing crisis core and even remake that there was something fundamentally wrong. I clicked on it because a big part of me agrees and he delivered so I don't see it as clickbait.
You need to go and find the real definition of clickbait lol he addressed everything about why the compilation sucks, no one got baited, just say you disagree and keep it moving
This is my favorite hater video on anything FF7 adjacent. I appreciate that you don't put all the blame on Nomura
So... let me see if i understand... at the beggining you said you are not a final fantasy 7 fan... and yet, you have played every game, watched the movie etc... just to hate on it??? Why??? If you seriously dont like it ( because is obvious that you dont...) why are you doing that to yourself??? I mean if you hate it so much and think is that bad and with every new entry is getting worse... then why continue on it???
Is this what you actually think?
I would argue he plays the games to be informed. Not sure what you mean by ‘hate’, but feel free to cite an example.
Hi Rush!
I want to say first and foremost that I really found your video to be quite entertaining.
I am also of the opinion that the Compilation, in its entirety, is an insult, but more than anything, to FFVII itself. The comments seem to be filled with Compilation fans probably coming over to hate comment and downvote as a campaign from some obscure Discord server or FB group, but do not be intimidated by a fandom known for being vile and insecure.
With that said, I want to invite you to a community oriented towards OG FFVII fans and content creators that are more aligned with the perspective of the Compilation being a blight on the IP. If you are interested, do let me know and I'll send the invite. To anyone who is a fan of Comp titles, you are also welcome to join! :D
I kinda love all of it. However, I agree with most of your criticisms.
Ah! A fellow Nojima hater. Tonight i raise my glass in your honor
Sometimes you just gotta say enough is enough. Final Fantasy VII was a big deal for the time but my god it's been milked so goddamn much that its appeal has wavered.
The remake is turning it into a parody of itself I swear to god.
I actually beat Dirge Of Cerberus not long ago because I wanted to settle a vendetta with that game
One thing you didn't mention about Dirge Of Cerberus is how broken the melee system is. If you shoot Azul the Cerulean with your gun he will barely even lose any health, you have to shoot the nearby barrels to hurt him... but if you walk up to him and melee him (which is annoying to do because of the lock on) you will kill him in literal seconds. What a stupid game.
Genesis literally exists for Gackt to cosplay as Dante from Devil May Cry 2 I swear to god.
I think the remake is the worst of the bunch simply because at least with Dirge Of Cerberus and Crisis Core, you could just simply forget they even existed. Also I'd argue that FF7 Remake has a worse combat system than both of them simply because the remake's combat system has so many freaking HP Sponge enemies where you deal crap all damage till you fill that stupid gauge they brought over from FF XIII and then you can suddenly dead decent enough damage. At least with crisis core, battles would end quickly and you could beat the game extremely fast, remake though... it's a colossal time waste. Not to mention Crisis Core and Dirge Of Cerberus are both sort of original stories that tie in with Final Fantasy VII somewhat, remake is just VII's story again but more bloated and a parody of itself where all the female characters are suddenly obsessively thirsty over Cloud for no freaking reason. I mean Tifa makes sense since she's a childhood friend and all that, aerith, I guess since it was similar in the original but freaking Jessie!? WTF? In the original Jessie was not like that at all, like why on earth is she so ridiculously obsessed with wanting to fuck Cloud? Why is that the only thing her entire character revolves around? It's so freaking lame.#
But yeah none of these games need to exist, I just don't care about them whatsoever, it's hard to look back on FFVII and not see as a convoluted mess at this point.
I tried to replay remake when it came to pc and I couldn't even finish it, I got to the part in wall street where Madam M sends you to do a buncha tasks before you get the dress. Finished the tasks went back to tell her and she sends me to do something else, at that point I felt like this padding was wayy too much. Went back to the original cuz its been a long time to see if they wasted your time running back and forth like that and nope, pacing is quite good in the original throw in a couple of graphic mods and a mod that adds voice acting to all the dialogue and I'm having way more fun with the game. Crazy how random battles feel less like a time waster then the run around Remake puts you through.
I get what Square was going for with Remake - they wanted to immerse you in this world by developing all these extra characters - but better to have that as optional content. That way, players that don't really care about these characters can skip these quests, and players that do care can tackle as much of it as they like. I think visiting Jessie's parents and the entire motorcycle segment could've been a sidequest for players that want to learn more about Jessie. That way, side quests in the game would've actually been interesting, instead of finding missing cats.
agreed the pacing is not great at least in remake pt1 (haven't tried pt2 yet). There's certain sections I wouldn't want to play again in R, and for that and the pacing, it feels more like a rental than a classic game you could play over and over again.
R1 graphics are great, and it is neat to see more ff7, but I agree ff7 is just so good all around.
I'm curious to play R2, but I'm no longer in a place where I can justify buying a whole system for one or a few games. So it's either PC or no for me most likely
@@RushHourWeekend it smacks of rushed development. They probably planned to do what you said but then needed to just throw in garbage quests when they ran out of time. They could have done so much with Midgar. Imagine what it'd been like if you could do proper quests for the people in the slums and also for people living on the plate to learn more about the differences in the way they lived. Instead we have to do things like kill monsters in a warehouse then kill more monsters in the same warehouse. I hope killing rats was a joke inserted by someone unhappy with the generic nature of the quests.
Damn bro, you mad? 😂 I only hated the mini games being forced into every chapter. Loved playing through the rest. I have to agree with the walking segments tho. It slows down your momentum too much but overall it’s really fun
It's a shame about the forced walking, because the combat can be a lot of fun. I genuinely enjoyed the boss fights. As far as real-time action Final Fantasies go, I like the combat in Remake a lot better than FF15 and FF16.
It's trash
@@asdfghjkllkjhgfdsa8725 No, it is not.
Since you hate Nojima so much to say he ruins everything he touches, I'm curious about your thoughts on the Glory of Heracles series.
Never played that series. I don't think most of those games were localized.
Ff7 the definition Rule of Cool
Big Sword
Long Sword
Long Hair
Big Boobs
Spiky Hair
When everything smells bad for you around you, at the end you end up realizing its you who smells bad.
That doesn't even make sense in this instance unless you're implying the original game was bad. And if you are, you'd have to be the Hellen Keller of art crisism to equate the badness of the compilation with the original regardless.
@@hian Of course It does make sense. 93 in metacritic, done by the original creators, lovingly of the original material, Most fans LOVE It too (userscore is also above 90) ...yet for him everything smells bad. When this happen often, its on you.
@@MrDiomedes1977
I mean, that's not the right application of the saying insofar this person didn't hate the original FFVII and presumably plenty of other things.
By your use of this saying, and what you just said, you're essentially just making an ad populum argument which is a fallacy and a cognitive bias. That this is a terrible argument should go without saying. Plenty of trite and banal media has high scores on metacritic.
Also no, "the original creators" did not return for this game. Four of the creators did. Of the 10 people who wrote for the event scenes of the original, only 3 did. The fourth is Yusuke Naora, on art.
FFVII was worked on by a team of over a 100 people. The man who ran the entire team, Sakaguchi, did not return for the remake. The creative lead designer of the prerendered backgrounds did not return, and a whooping 7 of the original accredited writers did not return.
The idea that you cannot grapple with or conceptualize that it's possible to like or enjoy the original FFVII as is, and not enjoy what SE did with the remake/compilation is frankly speaking bafflingly narrow-minded and silly. The fact that you somehow feel the need the need to defensively characterize people like this as being wrong in some sense or faulty as people, rather than jotting it down to a difference in values or taste, is telling as well. You might want to spend some time reflecting on why that is.
You’re brown however.
I couldn’t finish FF7 Remake because I got bored. I’m someone who a) agrees with this guy’s take, and b) wonders why the game got so high a score on metacritic.
For all the moaning and bitching FFVI fans do when they complain about Square ignoring the game they should be grateful. Their legacy isn’t ruined. They don’t have a compilation that betrays the themes of their games. Their main villain isn’t undermined. They have it lucky
You don't like FF7, of course you won't like Remake nor Rebirth. You think you can understand what is quality, but you're just a crybaby that couldn't even interpret the original FF7 in the right way
He understands ff7 more then the average fan of the game… who basically doesn’t understand ff7 at all
@billyboleson2830 Dude, he literally doesn't understand the main themes and message of the story. If he did, he would understand why Advent Children exists.
Also, he wouldn't complain about character moments in Remake. That's literally what that game is all about.
The other games in the compilation are just cash grabs, but not recognizing quality is worse than not recognizing shit
@@billyboleson2830 Only because he agrees with you.
@@AShroudOfTruth and Ytwcher only made the absurd statement that the creator doesn't like FF7 because they disagree with them.
you're a certified hater if i've ever seen one
FF 7 rebirth didn't sell well atall!!
Agree with all the criticism of the adjacent games. I played most of the stuff and i pretend it doesn't exist. But i love Remake. Agree with the walking tho. And also i loved Rebirth, especially the part where Genesis doesn't show up. I tought to myself they finally retconed that disgrace of a character. But then they decided to introduce a character named Glenn Lodbrock or something like that. I had no idea who that was, had to google the guy only to find out he is a character from the mobile gacha game. And he's really important to the story of Rebirth. He's about to start a war between Wutai and Shinra and i have no idea who he is because i don't play fucking money milking mobile games. So disappointing. Its not just Nojima or Nomuras fault, its a conscious decision by Square to entice people to spend more money in a moronic gacha game. And there my immersion was broken. Until that moment i tought, wow this really is a massive world that feels alive and i the devs really put so much love and care it to this game. And then Glen Lodbrock.
Even though I skipped Rebirth, I think the combat looks great; looks like an improvement over Remake. Didn't know about the gacha character, but I'm not surprised. I think Square made a Kingdom Hearts mobile game that served as a prequel to the series. They can't help but overcomplicate these storylines, so at this point I don't think it's worth taking these stories seriously.
@@RushHourWeekend well that very good cuz these games clearly aren't made for you, there made for a fanbase that wants it and will pay for it. I played the mobile game without spending a damn dime while some others pay with no issue. And the lore if you choose to delve into is interesting it's what keeps alot of fans playing KH has how game syou can play and releasing of steam that will probably make a pretty penny. Be a purists of 7 a completely 100% overhyped game that in nowhere near the best in the series and maybe square will give yall a 1 to 1 remake someday.
@KonEl17 those games are made for people without taste.
They will likely give you all of the info you need about that character in the last part of the remake trilogy. Right now, First Soldier just provides interesting backstory and isn’t necessary. This definitely seems like making a mountain out of a molehill.
Great video glad you made it cuz I'm a ff7 fan and I agree with u.
You haters don't like it - you lose.
We love it - we win.
End of story.
Lol, grow up
@@HakuYuki001 facts.
Honestly sounds like tour become jaded with cinematic games. Which is ashamed because if you think back to your very first time playing ff7 on the ps1 the game was so cinematic that the 15 hours of actual gameplay was bloated to 60. And while the side games like core weren't perfect they did serve a purpose. They we re meant to give backstop to characters but they were sir characters that at the time the fan were passionate to see more of and were asking to see. Was it all good? Hell no. But it did its job.
Lastly the remakes while again not perfect, treaded so much familiar ground precisely because of what the next 2 gamss will be:different.
They are tired of telling then same story from 30 years ago because fans cant let it go.
Those "ghost" at the end were fates. Physical manifestations of destined history. By killing them they are telling you that these next game will be different.
These games aren't meant for you. While some enjoy the original still other may enjoy this revised history even more so which is OK. The original was fire, this reboot for lack of a better term so far is good.
The fact that both exist in such different ways allows everyone to enjoy 7 in was that only they can, and the fact that so many people say if should have been left alone, remade in the original format that it has already done so many times; is a bit gatekeeping.
Yeah, the end of rebirth sucked
Hey look, someone who the Whispers were based on!
Such a trash plot device. Bottom of the barrel
@@asdfghjkllkjhgfdsa8725 Okay, Purist.
XD this is hilarious. Purists are the cancer of the fanbase. Well them and shippers.
The compilation is incredible, and your takes are so bad I thought I shit my pants with how bad they stank.
Are we gonna start defending Dirge Of Cerberus now?
@billyboleson2830 imagine ever thinking it was bad.
i got ff 7 remake for ps4, if i wanted to play the new dlc content i would eather have to buy 500e ps5 or 2000 euro new pc, its pretty obvious why i wouldnt care about ff7 rebirth or why some other people wouldnt care about it lmao
"Stop liking what I don't like!"
Welcome to the internet.
Strangely enough, i still prefer games like crisis core or dirge of cerberus than the remake/rebirth games.
I can certainly see the appeal, even if I don't enjoy the games myself. There are plenty of people that enjoy games that focus on exploring the stories behind specific characters. I'm sure there'd even be people interested in a dedicated Cait Sith stealth game.
Best channel in a long time. And yea you're right, after ff7 the whole universe sucks.
Zack as a protagonist carries crisis core rebirth, regardless of its prequel status.. that being said it enriches the new sequels only. Aerith character is almot 100% define by not being breave enough to fully embrace Zack, and this in turns inspires cloud after she died. When the psp game came out it was kind of unecessary when its tag along to ps1 ffvii that cannot express this nuance.
Zack belongs in the trash along with the rest of the compilation.
get a load of this guy lmao
Sorry, I have to disagree with most of what you say.
The compilation is not an insult to fans, perhaps it's an insult to purists but definitely not the fans as a whole. Only the purists because they just want the OG and that's it and they make it to be. A 1 to 1 remake with very little addition. While your opinion is just as valid as mine, I just thought I needed to post the counter to it and I know I won't hit every point so I apologize in advance.
Advent Children does have its issues but to those who have dived into the lore and listened to the online audio book of On the Way to a Smile and read the book The Kid's are Alright, it helps the movie make more sense. Yes, the turks were murderers and should have paid for killing thousands but.... this movie itself is about Redemption. It focuses on people who suffers from regret and grief, it's like the secondary story of a war veteran who must now integrate back into society and deal with the what has happened even if he was heroic. I found the story in that aspect very relatable. My complaint was more about lack of other characters not getting the spotlight they needed except during fight scenes, not using magic or other summons which they had and still yet after everything there were some things left ambiguous. For the time it was made, overall I think it was a great movie.
First Soldier Mobile could have been really successful had they put it on PC and eventually console. Now that SE is going multi-platformer it could have been much more successful. I actually enjoyed it. I even wrote a fanfiction for the last three rando models in the First Soldier trailer which so far they have not used in the canon story.
Dirge of Cerebus was more about showing an even darker side of Shinra just to hammer how evil they really were. Vincent Valentine's story itself was actually more fascinating than Cloud's in my opinion. His involvement stretches all the way from Before Crisis to the present part of the compilation. The multiplayer DoC added some more lore to it which kind of gave it some more cohesion; so with that said, I will concede and agree with you on the part that the coherence was all over the place with some media not being available at all but only in Japan like Before Crisis as well. I think Vincent with the new antagonists, it really gave a nice extension to the series, however it was short and did leave some things to be desired. Granted the story was a bit out there but with some editing they actually could make it much better and as far as game play, it was the PS2 era and let's just say the dialogue also wasn't the best. Sure it has it's flaws with the mysterious ending, but it added a lot of new lore to the world which I do appreciate.
Crisis Core was Zack's story, to me I felt like the man who set Cloud forward on his destiny was worth getting a back story. Like DoC, it is plagued with annoying features, it's definitely not perfect as a game and the UMD it was on was expensive and there was about another 25% of the game that was actually cut out due to that expense. The story of Zack and Aerith was one I felt was worth telling, after all it was expanded lore from the OG. Aerith mentions Zack was her first love. It was amazing how popular Zack became after introducing his story and him as a character. To be honest, I actually like Zack a little more than Cloud. I liked Genesis too even if he had some cringe moments, his quirky/cringe Loveless obsession kind of gave him a lot of charm. I aslo liked how we saw Genesis evolve through the story as well and I really liked Angeal. We also got to see a different side of Sephiroth which kind of made him a much more complex character.
Remake I will say that I was a bit upset at first when they decided to take it a different direction, but after playing through it another time, I actually came to appreciate it and have since embraced it as a sequel to the compilation. It's not perfect but I definitely see the improvement from the other games they have made.
While I will say there are definitely flaws and things I will definitely agree with you with, the story aspect that I wanted out of it really made it more interesting to me. Perhaps I fall into the new group of people who appreciate it for what it is, but at the end of the day it is the DEVs story and they have the right to add or change whatever it is they like whether we agree with it or not and don't even get me started on the shipping wars which has poisoned the well even more. I'm scared to see what will happen to the community once they decide to canonize the shipments when it comes to the Zerith, Cloti, and Clerith Clans. While I do get some of the purist mentality, I've accepted that times change and they will never be able to recapture that moment 27 years ago (as of this posting) that we felt back then because we were all different people then. Some of us were just kids.
I've enjoyed the story thus far and at this point just enjoying the ride.
Very fascinating to see the perspective of someone that's engrossed in this storyline. I'll admit, I am somewhat invested in the series at this point, otherwise I wouldn't have played all these games. I can appreciate just how different each game is in terms of gameplay, but when it comes to a game bringing the complete package of great combat and great storytelling, it's disappointing to see that the series peaked with the first entry.
@@RushHourWeekend Don't get me wrong, the game play mechanics and dialogue in these spin off games definitely doesn't help them, but I will say the fandom is so divided that no matter what the devs do they will not be able to please everyone.
this is one of the better defense statement for 7+ i have read.
a lot of people seemed to forget that its not just black/white, so i really appreciate that you acknowledge both sides.
if you ever decide to make a video talking about it and expand more, i would watch it 100%.
i do agree that the shipping poisoned the well.. im not part of the writing team, but as a writer myself, i am endlessly in fear for them.
in 7r, they are basically using all 3 heroines(including jessie) as story telling devices for cloud's growth. that, and make the 3 symbolize different kinds of attraction and different kinds of love.
but that doesnt mean everyone would get it nor want that.
so im really worried if they would be able to push through what they really want to do or would the shipping wars cause them to land a safer approach. that safer approach is usually the lamest approach and would end with the lamest conclusion where no one is really satisfied.
and lets face it, even after 7r, that shipping wars would still continue no matter what cause it is what it is...
also for the purist, tons of mods has already been made by fans themselves for the og 7. the 7th heaven mod for example already gives og 7 the modern look everyone was looking for. og 7 mods in general are some of the highest quality fan built mods out there. theres really no reason for squareenix to redo og 7 1:1 cause again, fans has already done them for years now.
if squareenix decided to redo og 7 1:1, theres portion of the fandom that would still rant about it and might even say that the fan made mods are better or what not
Great comment. I wish they remade crisis core and doc to make the story and combat better.
@@songohan5866 At this point for Crisis Core Reunion I wished we got DLC for the content they had originally planned for CC but cut due to the price of UMDs on PSP. I'm sure we will get a similar remake remaster for Dirge of Cerebus hopefully they include some of the lore from the multiplayer DoC.... I also hope they decide to give us a proper remake for Before Crisis too.
The new upcoming Ever Crisis First Soldier teases a young Angeal.... which may actually be that cut content they had originally planned for CC
i dont like all spnin off it complex the story to much a good game need to be suficent to himself
Thank you for saying what needed to be said. What they've done to FF7 is terrible and everyone is too blinded by nostalgia to even admit how bad it is.
You are very ill-informed ngl
You should've lied. You would look a lot less stupid.
Not a ff7 fan, yet you claim you've played them all, and you hate the compilations.....?
Lol. Cool story, bro. It's not the compilations that are an insult to fans. It's people like you.
Other FF games are lucky they don’t have sequels and prequels to destroy their stories
FFXVI story isn't write by Nojima, and the story is even worse lol
Nah, not even close. As boring and bland as FFXVI was, at least it was a linear story that was mostly simple and told in a cohesive manner.
7 Rebirth is so unbelievably fucked that it ruins one of the most iconic moments in gaming history.
Overall the ff7 remake and rebirth story are great but i totally agree with you in term of force walking and shitty mini games
Great video 😂
Remake was ass.
We did it, we found a wrong opinion.
Wow, it’s a rant video from 2008. The comprehension skills of a child.
at least rebirth is good
I'll probably play Rebirth at some point later this year. At the very least the combat and some of the minigames look entertaining enough. I'm a sucker for card minigames in rpgs, and Queen's Blood looks pretty cool.
@@RushHourWeekend Queens Blood is good but some of the other mini games they force you to play are so annoying.
i actually liked crisis core dirge tho was trash
I enjoyed Crisis Core when it was new. Replaying it for this video, I found it to be a slog, at least the PSP version. The remake does look a little bit better, at least as far as combat goes.